I have the DMP-BD85, while it isn't as fast to start up as a PS3, it doesn't take several minutes
OK, I did not measure exactly, I admit. It is definitively more than one minute, which I believe British people would call "a number of minutes" ("a number" being any positive integer), and which, on subjective appreciation is long, believe me, for something you expect to be instantaneous.
But back to my practical experience with Blue rays : although I do not care too much, because I can afford, it, I have invested several hundreds of Euros to watch about 15 blue Rays (the actual number I own, which presumably will remain constant, because as I have said, I mostly continue to buy normal DVDs, even for titles which exists in both formats).
The positive aspect, of course, is that part of this investment consist in a High Definition Projector, which enhances the image obtained from a normal DVD (although my contradictor objects to that).
You've acknowledged it wasn't well received or understood by the tech world yet decided the OP meant that Jobs sanity as a human being was literally called into question. I merely countered your foolish pedantism by mocking it, but I should have known you wouldn't have understand that since I only described exact what I was writing. A little reading on comprehension on your part would go a long way for you here and in life.
I was directly questioning OPs sanity when calling him certifiable, and he indicated the same was said of Jobs (He even included the dictionary Definition of certifiable before tying it to Jobs), which indicates the same questioning of sanity, not just that dropping the floppy wasn't well received. :
From his post:
Quote:
2- (informal, of a person) Mentally ill to such an extent that involuntary institutionalization is appropriate; crazy.
some people also said Steve was certifiable when he dropped diskettes readers ...
It isn't exactly leaping to an unfounded conclusion or a high level of pedantry to link certifiable in a post to a question of sanity, when the poster actually includes the dictionary definition right before using it.
Also you can Rent a Blu Ray from many Grocery Stores Red Box Kiosks for $1.50 for those making claims about huge rental costs.
Also Blu Ray isn't mutually exclusive with other Media, Most modern Blu Ray players have built in Netflix, Vudu, Amazon etc...
For little more than the price of Apple TV a modern BR player gives DVD/BR and Movie streaming at up 1080p. You can still stream cheap lower quality movies/tv shows, but when you want high quality for a favorite movie, nothing comes close to Blu Ray Audio or Video.
Remember this argument about Blu Ray was brought in because some thought it a good idea to have the Apple "TV Set" without inputs to play Blu Ray.
Who do you think buys expensive TVs (the kind that have positive margins)? From what I have seen it is Blu Ray loving videophiles.
I may not be able to predict everything Apple does, but I can predict with certainty that they won't release a TV without inputs for BR/Game Consoles etc... That is just nuts.
Your intentions were to make out that blu-ray players are slow to load?
Yes, and that a standalone Blu-ray player is the primary means by which consumers will experience the format as a whole, thereby making waiting time a concern of theirs.
Yes, and that a standalone Blu-ray player is the primary means by which consumers will experience the format as a whole, thereby making waiting time a concern of theirs.
So in other words, I didn't misread your intentions like you said, and I was correct in saying that 2007 called and they wanted their excuse back.
Players made in the last few years are significantly faster in loading movies than the original models.
Long Blu-ray times? Lol, my Panasonic BDP-110 wants a word with you!
Just because Apple leaves a format out, it does not mean that was a smart decision. Apple is more focused on content deilivery, controlling what's in your library. I mean, I love having a physical copy that I can rip if I choose to and I love collecting various cases and covers and the what nots. Try posting that stuff on blu-ray.com forums.
The movies on iTunes store are quite expensive for digital. Digital maybe the way of the future, but that does not meant it is the only future. I still like getting discs fairly cheap (ooh, oooh, especially used ones). I also like Steelbooks.
The one useful thing I takeaway from this thread is it made me take another look at modern Blu Ray players.
I was previously considering picking up a media player box like a WDTV (Apple TV too limited for me), but for a similar price a modern Blu Ray player can give you:
Many Internet Streaming services: Vudu, Amazon, Netflix etc.
Home network streaming.
USB drive support for MKVs, AVIs, Divx etc...
And very Fast Blu Ray/DVD playback. (~20 seconds, not minutes).
I bet many don't know how versatile modern Blu Ray players are. I didn't, since it had been a while since I looked at stand alone BR players. They are now amazing, versatile media machines.
The one useful thing I takeaway from this thread is it made me take another look at modern Blu Ray players.
I was previously considering picking up a media player box like a WDTV (Apple TV too limited for me), but for a similar price a modern Blu Ray player can give you:
Many Internet Streaming services: Vudu, Amazon, Netflix etc.
Home network streaming.
USB drive support for MKVs, AVIs, Divx etc...
And very Fast Blu Ray/DVD playback. (~20 seconds, not minutes).
I bet many don't know how versatile modern Blu Ray players are. I didn't, since it had been a while since I looked at stand alone BR players. They are now amazing, versatile media machines.
Some even have hard drives. Plus, my Blu-ray player plays 3D! They are really verstaile, I agree. Netflix and Hulu are reasons alone.
The one useful thing I takeaway from this thread is it made me take another look at modern Blu Ray players.
I was previously considering picking up a media player box like a WDTV (Apple TV too limited for me), but for a similar price a modern Blu Ray player can give you:
Many Internet Streaming services: Vudu, Amazon, Netflix etc.
Home network streaming.
USB drive support for MKVs, AVIs, Divx etc...
And very Fast Blu Ray/DVD playback. (~20 seconds, not minutes).
I bet many don't know how versatile modern Blu Ray players are. I didn't, since it had been a while since I looked at stand alone BR players. They are now amazing, versatile media machines.
I wouldn't bother. Most Internet enabled bluray players work as well as Internet enabled TVs. As in not very. I remember that LG was going to release some using Plex...that might be good if they aren't sluggish. Sony might not be bad too if you're used to their UI...but the low end devices uses fairly wimpy SOCs so are sluggish. And after a certain price point you might as well and just buy a ps3 for a little bit more.
Too many are just checking features off a list. Vudu. Check. Netflix. Check. Amazon. Check.
Weird how even the cheap roku actually work better when it comes down to using it.
Who do you think buys expensive TVs (the kind that have positive margins)? From what I have seen it is Blu Ray loving videophiles.
More expensive tvs are bought by football fans for any single Super Bowl (US) or world cup (everywhere else) than all videophiles combined ever. This is one major reason why an Apple HDTV must have an input to be successful unless Apple scores highly unlikely access to live sports.
Bluray is successful but will never be as popular as DVD because of streaming. Most folks don't care enough and can live with lower bitrate HD from streaming or cable on demand.
Videophiles don't matter either way to the success of an apple branded HDTV. Most REAL videophiles are pining over a 4k projector and dedicated media room anyway. Bluray is too low rez...
More expensive tvs are bought by football fans for any single Super Bowl (US) or world cup (everywhere else) than all videophiles combined ever. This is one major reason why an Apple HDTV must have an input to be successful unless Apple scores highly unlikely access to live sports.
Bluray is successful but will never be as popular as DVD because of streaming. Most folks don't care enough and can live with lower bitrate HD from streaming or cable on demand.Videophiles don't matter either way to the success of an apple branded HDTV. Most REAL videophiles are pining over a 4k projector and dedicated media room anyway. Bluray is too low rez...
Also, unlike DVD, Blu-ray requires an HDTV. You can use DVD with any tv. Many people are still on standard....
I meant to see the benefits; shouldn't been more clear. I've played blu-rays on my SDTV too, but I'm saying the differences are negligble without an hdtv. You can certainly see the jump from VHS to DVD on your SDTV. Blu-ray.....nah.
How? HDCP and lack of old-timey ports on many Blu-ray players makes that seem a little tough.
Actually, many Blu-ray players have the old composite cables on the back for some reason. I still don't get why though. He's right. It definately works.
Actually, many Blu-ray players have the old composite cables on the back for some reason. I still don't get why though. He's right. It definately works.
I think you mean analog YPbPr component video, not composite. HDCP is very specific, but I don't recall if players can downgrade the video from full-resolution to less quality if they are protected. Either way, it's pretty pointless to have Blu-ray titles just to figure out a way to play in SD.
I think you mean analog YPbPr component video, not composite. HDCP is very specific, but I don't recall if players can downgrade the video from full-resolution to less quality if they are protected. Either way, it's pretty pointless to have Blu-ray titles just to figure out a way to play in SD.
No I have used those cords. I know what you're talking about with HDCP, but maybe it was the movie? (Lottery Ticket, lol!). I can take some pics tonight of the connections, but I'm at work right now.
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Then perhaps buy a Blu-ray player. It's several minutes of loading time.
2007 called, they want their excuse back
I have the DMP-BD85, while it isn't as fast to start up as a PS3, it doesn't take several minutes
OK, I did not measure exactly, I admit. It is definitively more than one minute, which I believe British people would call "a number of minutes" ("a number" being any positive integer), and which, on subjective appreciation is long, believe me, for something you expect to be instantaneous.
But back to my practical experience with Blue rays : although I do not care too much, because I can afford, it, I have invested several hundreds of Euros to watch about 15 blue Rays (the actual number I own, which presumably will remain constant, because as I have said, I mostly continue to buy normal DVDs, even for titles which exists in both formats).
The positive aspect, of course, is that part of this investment consist in a High Definition Projector, which enhances the image obtained from a normal DVD (although my contradictor objects to that).
2007 called, they want their excuse back
You've misread my intentions.
You've acknowledged it wasn't well received or understood by the tech world yet decided the OP meant that Jobs sanity as a human being was literally called into question. I merely countered your foolish pedantism by mocking it, but I should have known you wouldn't have understand that since I only described exact what I was writing.
I was directly questioning OPs sanity when calling him certifiable, and he indicated the same was said of Jobs (He even included the dictionary Definition of certifiable before tying it to Jobs), which indicates the same questioning of sanity, not just that dropping the floppy wasn't well received. :
From his post:
2- (informal, of a person) Mentally ill to such an extent that involuntary institutionalization is appropriate; crazy.
some people also said Steve was certifiable when he dropped diskettes readers ...
It isn't exactly leaping to an unfounded conclusion or a high level of pedantry to link certifiable in a post to a question of sanity, when the poster actually includes the dictionary definition right before using it.
You've misread my intentions.
What were they then? When I said my HTPC loads them in about 5 seconds, you said that I should buy a Blu Ray player they take minutes.
1) If that was true why would I want a Blu ray player?
2) That doesn't appear to be true for modern Blu Ray Players:
http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/e...rightYear=2011
Blu Ray Loading time: 11-25 seconds.
DVD Loading time: 18 seconds.
Also you can Rent a Blu Ray from many Grocery Stores Red Box Kiosks for $1.50 for those making claims about huge rental costs.
Also Blu Ray isn't mutually exclusive with other Media, Most modern Blu Ray players have built in Netflix, Vudu, Amazon etc...
For little more than the price of Apple TV a modern BR player gives DVD/BR and Movie streaming at up 1080p. You can still stream cheap lower quality movies/tv shows, but when you want high quality for a favorite movie, nothing comes close to Blu Ray Audio or Video.
Remember this argument about Blu Ray was brought in because some thought it a good idea to have the Apple "TV Set" without inputs to play Blu Ray.
Who do you think buys expensive TVs (the kind that have positive margins)? From what I have seen it is Blu Ray loving videophiles.
I may not be able to predict everything Apple does, but I can predict with certainty that they won't release a TV without inputs for BR/Game Consoles etc... That is just nuts.
You've misread my intentions.
Your intentions were to make out that blu-ray players are slow to load?
Your intentions were to make out that blu-ray players are slow to load?
Yes, and that a standalone Blu-ray player is the primary means by which consumers will experience the format as a whole, thereby making waiting time a concern of theirs.
Yes, and that a standalone Blu-ray player is the primary means by which consumers will experience the format as a whole, thereby making waiting time a concern of theirs.
So in other words, I didn't misread your intentions like you said, and I was correct in saying that 2007 called and they wanted their excuse back.
Players made in the last few years are significantly faster in loading movies than the original models.
Just because Apple leaves a format out, it does not mean that was a smart decision. Apple is more focused on content deilivery, controlling what's in your library. I mean, I love having a physical copy that I can rip if I choose to and I love collecting various cases and covers and the what nots. Try posting that stuff on blu-ray.com forums.
The movies on iTunes store are quite expensive for digital. Digital maybe the way of the future, but that does not meant it is the only future. I still like getting discs fairly cheap (ooh, oooh, especially used ones). I also like Steelbooks.
I was previously considering picking up a media player box like a WDTV (Apple TV too limited for me), but for a similar price a modern Blu Ray player can give you:
Many Internet Streaming services: Vudu, Amazon, Netflix etc.
Home network streaming.
USB drive support for MKVs, AVIs, Divx etc...
And very Fast Blu Ray/DVD playback. (~20 seconds, not minutes).
I bet many don't know how versatile modern Blu Ray players are. I didn't, since it had been a while since I looked at stand alone BR players. They are now amazing, versatile media machines.
The one useful thing I takeaway from this thread is it made me take another look at modern Blu Ray players.
I was previously considering picking up a media player box like a WDTV (Apple TV too limited for me), but for a similar price a modern Blu Ray player can give you:
Many Internet Streaming services: Vudu, Amazon, Netflix etc.
Home network streaming.
USB drive support for MKVs, AVIs, Divx etc...
And very Fast Blu Ray/DVD playback. (~20 seconds, not minutes).
I bet many don't know how versatile modern Blu Ray players are. I didn't, since it had been a while since I looked at stand alone BR players. They are now amazing, versatile media machines.
Some even have hard drives. Plus, my Blu-ray player plays 3D!
The one useful thing I takeaway from this thread is it made me take another look at modern Blu Ray players.
I was previously considering picking up a media player box like a WDTV (Apple TV too limited for me), but for a similar price a modern Blu Ray player can give you:
Many Internet Streaming services: Vudu, Amazon, Netflix etc.
Home network streaming.
USB drive support for MKVs, AVIs, Divx etc...
And very Fast Blu Ray/DVD playback. (~20 seconds, not minutes).
I bet many don't know how versatile modern Blu Ray players are. I didn't, since it had been a while since I looked at stand alone BR players. They are now amazing, versatile media machines.
I wouldn't bother. Most Internet enabled bluray players work as well as Internet enabled TVs. As in not very. I remember that LG was going to release some using Plex...that might be good if they aren't sluggish. Sony might not be bad too if you're used to their UI...but the low end devices uses fairly wimpy SOCs so are sluggish. And after a certain price point you might as well and just buy a ps3 for a little bit more.
Too many are just checking features off a list. Vudu. Check. Netflix. Check. Amazon. Check.
Weird how even the cheap roku actually work better when it comes down to using it.
Who do you think buys expensive TVs (the kind that have positive margins)? From what I have seen it is Blu Ray loving videophiles.
More expensive tvs are bought by football fans for any single Super Bowl (US) or world cup (everywhere else) than all videophiles combined ever. This is one major reason why an Apple HDTV must have an input to be successful unless Apple scores highly unlikely access to live sports.
Bluray is successful but will never be as popular as DVD because of streaming. Most folks don't care enough and can live with lower bitrate HD from streaming or cable on demand.
Videophiles don't matter either way to the success of an apple branded HDTV. Most REAL videophiles are pining over a 4k projector and dedicated media room anyway. Bluray is too low rez...
More expensive tvs are bought by football fans for any single Super Bowl (US) or world cup (everywhere else) than all videophiles combined ever. This is one major reason why an Apple HDTV must have an input to be successful unless Apple scores highly unlikely access to live sports.
Bluray is successful but will never be as popular as DVD because of streaming. Most folks don't care enough and can live with lower bitrate HD from streaming or cable on demand.Videophiles don't matter either way to the success of an apple branded HDTV. Most REAL videophiles are pining over a 4k projector and dedicated media room anyway. Bluray is too low rez...
Also, unlike DVD, Blu-ray requires an HDTV. You can use DVD with any tv. Many people are still on standard....
Also, unlike DVD, Blu-ray requires an HDTV. You can use DVD with any tv. Many people are still on standard....
You can play blu-rays on a SDTV
You can play blu-rays on a SDTV
I meant to see the benefits; shouldn't been more clear. I've played blu-rays on my SDTV too, but I'm saying the differences are negligble without an hdtv. You can certainly see the jump from VHS to DVD on your SDTV. Blu-ray.....nah.
You can play blu-rays on a SDTV
How? HDCP and lack of old-timey ports on many Blu-ray players makes that seem a little tough.
How? HDCP and lack of old-timey ports on many Blu-ray players makes that seem a little tough.
Actually, many Blu-ray players have the old composite cables on the back for some reason. I still don't get why though. He's right. It definately works.
Actually, many Blu-ray players have the old composite cables on the back for some reason. I still don't get why though. He's right. It definately works.
I think you mean analog YPbPr component video, not composite. HDCP is very specific, but I don't recall if players can downgrade the video from full-resolution to less quality if they are protected. Either way, it's pretty pointless to have Blu-ray titles just to figure out a way to play in SD.
I think you mean analog YPbPr component video, not composite. HDCP is very specific, but I don't recall if players can downgrade the video from full-resolution to less quality if they are protected. Either way, it's pretty pointless to have Blu-ray titles just to figure out a way to play in SD.
No I have used those cords. I know what you're talking about with HDCP, but maybe it was the movie? (Lottery Ticket, lol!). I can take some pics tonight of the connections, but I'm at work right now.