I love reading these threads. There seems to be two types:
A - Genies that can predict the future and knows how things will unfold in the coming months
B - The smartest people on the Internet because to buy anything but an iPad a person MUST be dumb, poor, have no taste generally not the quality of person found here, looked down upon and ridiculed.
Love it. Honestly. I wish I was this cool and have the power of a crystal ball, my iPad must be malfunctioning, none of these qualities were bestowed upon me once I purchased it.
I love reading these threads. There seems to be two types:
A - Genies that can predict the future and knows how things will unfold in the coming months
I thought Genies only granted wishes. B - The smartest people on the Internet because to buy anything but an iPad a person MUST be dumb, poor, have no taste generally not the quality of person found here, looked down upon and ridiculed.
I agree with you. Love it. Honestly. I wish I was this cool and have the power of a crystal ball, my iPad must be malfunctioning, none of these qualities were bestowed upon me once I purchased it.
Probably the same time Google said Android was an iPhone clone, or Microsoft said the Zune was an iPod Touch clone or Microsoft said Windows Phone is an iPhone clone.
A lot of people are going to be returning that cheap mini tablet once they get theirs and they see how it actually performs and they realize that there's a lot that they can't do with it. I wonder how many returns they've already gotten? They obviously won't be releasing those numbers either.
The only numbers that Android sellers seem eager to release are the shipped numbers which means tablets sitting on store shelves, not the actual numbers of tablets sold to people who are buying them.
I bought a Kindle Fire for the wife so she can lay off my iPad. In the mean time, a friend of ours gave her an HP TouchPad. So now she had two tablets. Needless to say, the iPad is the one she still wants to use, the TouchPad is a close 2nd (it "fulfills" the basic needs but not as good -- it will hold her over until I get an iPad 3 and she inherits my iPad 2) and the Fire was garbage.
It crashed a lot on the browser, had trouble inputting onto forms via the web, and ran pretty sluggishly. I sent it back today to get my money back. It was complete garbage.
First, 7" is really too small for a tablet. After putting this thing side by side with the iPad and the TouchPad, it looked more like an iPod Touch with a magnifying glass than a true tablet. Second, with crappy software and sluggish performance, its not scoring points on usability.
Then all the little things. Battery life is about 3.5-4 hours with Wi-Fi on and real world usage (i.e. browsing, reading books, watching a few videos on youtube, etc.) and thats being generous. The 8 hours they claim is with wifi off, and probably with the brightness down while reading a kindle book.
This is amazing too that they keep noting its with wi-fi off because who the heck would want to buy a CLOUD tablet (the big selling point is the cloud storage and streaming) and then use it with the internet OFF? I guess they figured that announcing the FIre with 3.5 hours of battery would have demolished their sales and they are hoping most people don't notice the "Wi-Fi off" thing in their ads.
Also, the lack of camera and microphone means it can never be a Skype machine like the iPad. You can also not record personal voice memos or take picture with it (shame too, because 7" is almost small enough to be a camera without looking as ridiculous as the iPad).
No GPS/Location Services means you can't look up directions on it or use any location-based apps.
So yeah, the Fire is a dud. It will sell like hot cakes by many well meaning but technology inept aunts and uncles this year. But how many of these will actually be used after the initial shine wears off? Probably not many.
If Apple tried this the press would crucify them. Yet every time Amazon does this they shower Amazon with love and praise for a stellar sales numbers. Whatever!
I bought both a Fire and a Nook tablet for my Wife's birthday as I weren't sure the one she wanted. However she went out and bought a Fire ahead of the birthday (go figure!) so today I just returned those two.
Now for the one she bought she has just used it for a week and has now declared that she hates it. The main complaint was that typing on it was a nightmare - it does not correct as well as iOS and it is unresponsive frequently missing your key strokes. Secondly it is too small to view webpages. This is ironic as the reason it was bought was because my wife did not want an iPad because it is too heavy and too big. Along with the webpages it often will not display them correct, or a site will return the mobile version when she wants the full one. Lastly, for its size, holding it is still not comfortable and it is still relatively heavy.
I could go on how the apps are horrible, the UI is a disaster and so on. Lets just say that for someone used to iOS (even version 3.2 - she has a first gen Touch) that Android leaves a lot to be desired.
So in the end we bought two and we will be returning two. My wife likes a keyboard. I think what she needs is a Macbook Air. Unfortunately that is outside our price point for now.
You can still get her an iPad if that's in your price range. The virtual keyboard is surprisingly good, but if not sufficient you could later buy an iPad case with a keyboard in it for around $60
The apple wireless half size bluetooth keyboard is around that price and will work with any iPad or Mac you might have as well. Best Buy, Walmart have lots of good cases.
Apple really put in the time studying the form factor and I think they got it right.
On a more positive note at least this means everyone won't need to argue about why the Kindle Fire isn't actually in the same tablet market as the iPad if the Kindle Fire happens to sell more!
It doesn't matter how many Fires Amazon sells to determine if it's a success. They basically are stating that by selling them around cost. If the people who do use them use enough Amazon services through it, then it doesn't matter if a large portion of the public hates them, it was never a goal to market a good cheap tablet.
It's like selling $25 tennis rackets, however mediocre, so people will rent your courts. You can't judge the strategy by judging the rackets, only by seeing if the courts get booked.
On a more positive note at least this means everyone won't need to argue about why the Kindle Fire isn't actually in the same tablet market as the iPad if the Kindle Fire happens to sell more!
15 books? Amazon only makes $3 on each $10 e-book. And all those free apps? Not a dime.
It looks like it would take over 60 books before Amazon makes up the money lost on the Kindle Fire.
But... they will be getting $80 a year from Prime memberships. They'll do OK with that.
Amazon's cut might be $3 on a $10, but that's before expenses not the net profit. I'd be surprised if net is $1 a book. With a Kindle in the mix, I wonder if maybe they're still losing money on every part of their media business, hoping to be the dominant player once the dust settles.
I really don't know how they can manage with Prime. $4 an item for overnight, even Saturday delivery, they're getting a deal that I don't know about, and maybe losing a bit at it too, I don't know what mix that would be. If I ship with FedEx or UPS, the Saturday delivery upgrade alone is $12. All this, even on items less than $10.
As for the press release, they're playing the media for fools, and I think that's justified in some way, but it really does everyone a disfavor, because it's easy to weasel by saying it's best-selling, we don't know if that means something or not. It is a little harder to legally lie about actual numbers sold. Possible, I think, but harder, lying about that figure puts them at a liability if shareholders sue.
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A - Genies that can predict the future and knows how things will unfold in the coming months
B - The smartest people on the Internet because to buy anything but an iPad a person MUST be dumb, poor, have no taste generally not the quality of person found here, looked down upon and ridiculed.
Love it. Honestly. I wish I was this cool and have the power of a crystal ball, my iPad must be malfunctioning, none of these qualities were bestowed upon me once I purchased it.
Let's see... How many products does Amazon 'make' (as opposed to sell)? Not exactly a high bar to reach, since they only make 3 products.
Sounds like deceptive word smithing to me...
Sounds like deceptive word smithing to me...
I'd say! I didn't even consider that angle until I read Dick Applebaum's post a few minutes ago.
I love reading these threads. There seems to be two types:
A - Genies that can predict the future and knows how things will unfold in the coming months
I thought Genies only granted wishes. B - The smartest people on the Internet because to buy anything but an iPad a person MUST be dumb, poor, have no taste generally not the quality of person found here, looked down upon and ridiculed.
I agree with you. Love it. Honestly. I wish I was this cool and have the power of a crystal ball, my iPad must be malfunctioning, none of these qualities were bestowed upon me once I purchased it.
15 books? Amazon only makes $3 on each $10 e-book.
Can you substantiate this claim?
Also, what do you mean by "make"?
When did Amazon say it's an iPad clone again?
Probably the same time Google said Android was an iPhone clone, or Microsoft said the Zune was an iPod Touch clone or Microsoft said Windows Phone is an iPhone clone.
I thought Kindle was an ereader? The hell! Make up your minds!
amazon says it is an iPad clone right on their front page.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...f=famstripe_kf
"...same as an iPad"
amazon says it is an iPad clone right on their front page.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...f=famstripe_kf
"...same as an iPad"
Au contraire, they didn't say it was a clone!
A lot of people are going to be returning that cheap mini tablet once they get theirs and they see how it actually performs and they realize that there's a lot that they can't do with it. I wonder how many returns they've already gotten? They obviously won't be releasing those numbers either.
The only numbers that Android sellers seem eager to release are the shipped numbers which means tablets sitting on store shelves, not the actual numbers of tablets sold to people who are buying them.
I bought a Kindle Fire for the wife so she can lay off my iPad. In the mean time, a friend of ours gave her an HP TouchPad. So now she had two tablets. Needless to say, the iPad is the one she still wants to use, the TouchPad is a close 2nd (it "fulfills" the basic needs but not as good -- it will hold her over until I get an iPad 3 and she inherits my iPad 2) and the Fire was garbage.
It crashed a lot on the browser, had trouble inputting onto forms via the web, and ran pretty sluggishly. I sent it back today to get my money back. It was complete garbage.
First, 7" is really too small for a tablet. After putting this thing side by side with the iPad and the TouchPad, it looked more like an iPod Touch with a magnifying glass than a true tablet. Second, with crappy software and sluggish performance, its not scoring points on usability.
Then all the little things. Battery life is about 3.5-4 hours with Wi-Fi on and real world usage (i.e. browsing, reading books, watching a few videos on youtube, etc.) and thats being generous. The 8 hours they claim is with wifi off, and probably with the brightness down while reading a kindle book.
This is amazing too that they keep noting its with wi-fi off because who the heck would want to buy a CLOUD tablet (the big selling point is the cloud storage and streaming) and then use it with the internet OFF? I guess they figured that announcing the FIre with 3.5 hours of battery would have demolished their sales and they are hoping most people don't notice the "Wi-Fi off" thing in their ads.
Also, the lack of camera and microphone means it can never be a Skype machine like the iPad. You can also not record personal voice memos or take picture with it (shame too, because 7" is almost small enough to be a camera without looking as ridiculous as the iPad).
No GPS/Location Services means you can't look up directions on it or use any location-based apps.
So yeah, the Fire is a dud. It will sell like hot cakes by many well meaning but technology inept aunts and uncles this year. But how many of these will actually be used after the initial shine wears off? Probably not many.
i'm not sure i can take him seriously without seeing some hard data...
amazon has some great news on sales...it's so great we will have to wait to hear what it is...really why bother..
If Apple tried this the press would crucify them. Yet every time Amazon does this they shower Amazon with love and praise for a stellar sales numbers. Whatever!
The press is always so mean to Apple!
Its not FAIR!
I bought both a Fire and a Nook tablet for my Wife's birthday as I weren't sure the one she wanted. However she went out and bought a Fire ahead of the birthday (go figure!) so today I just returned those two.
Now for the one she bought she has just used it for a week and has now declared that she hates it. The main complaint was that typing on it was a nightmare - it does not correct as well as iOS and it is unresponsive frequently missing your key strokes. Secondly it is too small to view webpages. This is ironic as the reason it was bought was because my wife did not want an iPad because it is too heavy and too big. Along with the webpages it often will not display them correct, or a site will return the mobile version when she wants the full one. Lastly, for its size, holding it is still not comfortable and it is still relatively heavy.
I could go on how the apps are horrible, the UI is a disaster and so on. Lets just say that for someone used to iOS (even version 3.2 - she has a first gen Touch) that Android leaves a lot to be desired.
So in the end we bought two and we will be returning two. My wife likes a keyboard. I think what she needs is a Macbook Air. Unfortunately that is outside our price point for now.
You can still get her an iPad if that's in your price range. The virtual keyboard is surprisingly good, but if not sufficient you could later buy an iPad case with a keyboard in it for around $60
The apple wireless half size bluetooth keyboard is around that price and will work with any iPad or Mac you might have as well. Best Buy, Walmart have lots of good cases.
Apple really put in the time studying the form factor and I think they got it right.
It's like selling $25 tennis rackets, however mediocre, so people will rent your courts. You can't judge the strategy by judging the rackets, only by seeing if the courts get booked.
On a more positive note at least this means everyone won't need to argue about why the Kindle Fire isn't actually in the same tablet market as the iPad if the Kindle Fire happens to sell more!
How would this change anything?
"Yeah, we, uh? we sold more than you."
"Well, how many did you sell?"
"How many did you sell?"
"Ten million units."
"We sold more than that."
"Can I see your numbers?"
"? No."
^This
15 books? Amazon only makes $3 on each $10 e-book. And all those free apps? Not a dime.
It looks like it would take over 60 books before Amazon makes up the money lost on the Kindle Fire.
But... they will be getting $80 a year from Prime memberships. They'll do OK with that.
Amazon's cut might be $3 on a $10, but that's before expenses not the net profit. I'd be surprised if net is $1 a book. With a Kindle in the mix, I wonder if maybe they're still losing money on every part of their media business, hoping to be the dominant player once the dust settles.
I really don't know how they can manage with Prime. $4 an item for overnight, even Saturday delivery, they're getting a deal that I don't know about, and maybe losing a bit at it too, I don't know what mix that would be. If I ship with FedEx or UPS, the Saturday delivery upgrade alone is $12. All this, even on items less than $10.
As for the press release, they're playing the media for fools, and I think that's justified in some way, but it really does everyone a disfavor, because it's easy to weasel by saying it's best-selling, we don't know if that means something or not. It is a little harder to legally lie about actual numbers sold. Possible, I think, but harder, lying about that figure puts them at a liability if shareholders sue.
amazon has some great news on sales...it's so great we will have to wait to hear what it is...really why bother..
Actually, I was making a joke, but it looks like I'll have to be more obvious about it...
"I'm not sure I can take him [Mr. Limp] seriously without seeing some hard data..."