Argentina blocks iPhone sales in bid to strengthen economy

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  • Reply 61 of 122
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    Originally Posted by 801 View Post


    Yeesh, they are just trying to support their own industrial base.



    What do you think would happen to apple if the US government made the same law.



    Everybody is always complaining here about how Apple has no domestic manufacturing here in the states, but when some country takes the initiative to defend its home manufacturing base, you guys tell them to F off.



    So what is it then? Allow foreign products, or defend your economy? I'm confused.



    Well at least the A5 chip is made in Austin, TX.
  • Reply 62 of 122
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
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    Originally Posted by ljocampo View Post


    Economics 101: When your country's currency is inflated, which means it isn't worth the crap, you won't be able to grow your economy using protectionism. You need outside income because your's isn't worth enough to run the country. It may seem like you win with this tactic but it will take down the economy in the long run. Growing nothing is still nothing.



    So you stop buying products built elsewhere and try to get those strong economic countries to buy products you built.
  • Reply 63 of 122
    MacProMacPro Posts: 19,523member
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    Originally Posted by cameronj View Post


    You're clearly confused, on that we agree.



    No, everybody does not complain about how Apple has no domestic manufacturing. The same people who complain about that also think this is a great idea. You can't take a group of people who don't understand economics and claim that they are both sides of a debate. Those are the idiots. The people who understand how the world works are trashing Argentina and defending Apple for not manufacturing in the USA. Everyone benefits when companies produce their good as efficiently as possible, regardless of a line on a map. Everyone suffers when politicians get involved in corporate decisions, without exception.



    The biggest problem is so many politicians being paid off by the corporations or benefitting from stock buying/ shorting using insider knowledge gained though the information accessed during legislative process they are privileged to be aware of. Speaking for the USA it's high time for dramatic reformation of the legislative branch's investment and bribery, sorry I mean lobbying, regulations. OMG and I am against politics on the AI blog, excuse me while I beat myself over the head with a candle stick. On second thoughts ... This post is political in nature so I forgive myself.
  • Reply 64 of 122
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    Originally Posted by Kalvin View Post


    And I always thought Hugo Chavez is ruling Venezuela and not Argentina.



    No, they've got Cristina Kirchner - whose first act after being elected was to seize the presses. Socialists can't stand a free press. Nor electronics competition it seems.
  • Reply 65 of 122
    MacProMacPro Posts: 19,523member
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    Originally Posted by Curmudgeon View Post


    No, they've got Cristina Kirchner - whose first act after being elected was to seize the presses. Socialists can't stand a free press. Nor electronics competition it seems.



    I seem to recall extreme right wing regimes do the same thing.
  • Reply 66 of 122
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Curmudgeon View Post


    No, they've got Cristina Kirchner - whose first act after being elected was to seize the presses. Socialists can't stand a free press. Nor electronics competition it seems.



    A free press isn't all that its cracked up to be.
  • Reply 67 of 122
    MacProMacPro Posts: 19,523member
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    Originally Posted by dasanman69 View Post


    A free press isn't all that its cracked up to be.



    Murdoch seems to think so
  • Reply 68 of 122
    i'm from Argentina, it's pretty difficult to get Apple products over here, and i'm not happy about it 'cos i'm an apple fanboy. But i also know that when i buy an iphone, i'm paying the salary of a Chinese, so i ask mayself... why???? why do i have to pay the salary of a chinese and left one Argentinian without job? For those of you who don't know, Argentina has one of the biggest cellphone counts by people in the world. Almost every big company is building cellphones here in Tierra del Fuego (they give tax discounts there to those companys), we already have RIM (they announced it a few weeks ago) Nokia, Samsung. Ok, as a fanboy i think "thats pure shit". But as an Argentinian, i must understand. You people from US complains all the time about the lossing of jobs, the ecomony going down, maybe things wouldn't be like that for you if you give jobs to americans and not to people from china or god knows what country.



    I must say that this "ban" is not new, carries stopped selling iphones in april or march. But you can get iPhones if you want, not from carriers, and a little more expensive, but you can get it. The same with every apple product. I as a fanboy wonder sometimes, what is apple to be the only company that don't make phones here? I love apple, i can think of my life without a mac (ie, using a pc) but they are a little wrong, if they knew the phone market over here, where every people has at least two phones (according to statistics), they would think different.



    ps. our economy is better than most european countries.



    :-)
  • Reply 69 of 122
    MacProMacPro Posts: 19,523member
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    Originally Posted by SkywalkerMac View Post


    i'm from Argentina, it's pretty difficult to get Apple products over here, and i'm not happy about it 'cos i'm an apple fanboy. But i also know that when i buy an iphone, i'm paying the salary of a Chinese, so i ask mayself... why???? why do i have to pay the salary of a chinese and left one Argentinian without job? For those of you who don't know, Argentina has one of the biggest cellphone counts by people in the world. Almost every big company is building cellphones here in Tierra del Fuego (they give tax discounts there to those companys), we already have RIM (they announced it a few weeks ago) Nokia, Samsung. Ok, as a fanboy i think "thats pure shit". But as an Argentinian, i must understand. You people from US complains all the time about the lossing of jobs, the ecomony going down, maybe things wouldn't be like that for you if you give jobs to americans and not to people from china or god knows what country.



    I must say that this "ban" is not new, carries stopped selling iphones in april or march. But you can get iPhones if you want, not from carriers, and a little more expensive, but you can get it. The same with every apple product. I as a fanboy wonder sometimes, what is apple to be the only company that don't make phones here? I love apple, i can think of my life without a mac (ie, using a pc) but they are a little wrong, if they knew the phone market over here, where every people has at least two phones (according to statistics), they would think different.



    ps. our economy is better than most european countries.



    :-)



    While sympathizing I have to ask, so every country in the World says ... "Apple build here or we ban you!" ... Is that a good idea? What about every other product you import? Free Trade is not just a phrase, it is the fundamental underpinning of the western economic system.
  • Reply 70 of 122
    cameronjcameronj Posts: 2,357member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SkywalkerMac View Post


    i'm from Argentina, it's pretty difficult to get Apple products over here, and i'm not happy about it 'cos i'm an apple fanboy. But i also know that when i buy an iphone, i'm paying the salary of a Chinese, so i ask mayself... why???? why do i have to pay the salary of a chinese and left one Argentinian without job? For those of you who don't know, Argentina has one of the biggest cellphone counts by people in the world. Almost every big company is building cellphones here in Tierra del Fuego (they give tax discounts there to those companys), we already have RIM (they announced it a few weeks ago) Nokia, Samsung. Ok, as a fanboy i think "thats pure shit". But as an Argentinian, i must understand. You people from US complains all the time about the lossing of jobs, the ecomony going down, maybe things wouldn't be like that for you if you give jobs to americans and not to people from china or god knows what country.



    I must say that this "ban" is not new, carries stopped selling iphones in april or march. But you can get iPhones if you want, not from carriers, and a little more expensive, but you can get it. The same with every apple product. I as a fanboy wonder sometimes, what is apple to be the only company that don't make phones here? I love apple, i can think of my life without a mac (ie, using a pc) but they are a little wrong, if they knew the phone market over here, where every people has at least two phones (according to statistics), they would think different.



    ps. our economy is better than most european countries.



    :-)



    Ugh... so much wrong. I'll just give you some reading material for your ps: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...PP)_per_capita



    Your economy is worse than just about all european countries.



    Take econ 101. Please.



    "High inflation has been a weakness of the Argentine economy for decades.[64] Officially hovering around 9% since 2006, inflation has been privately estimated at over 20%,[65] becoming a contentious issue again. The urban income poverty rate has dropped to 18% as of mid-2008, a third of the peak level observed in 2002, though still above the level prior to 1976.[66][67] Income distribution, having improved since 2002, is still considerably unequal.[68][69]

    Argentina ranks 105th out of 178 countries in the Transparency International's Corruption Perceptions Index for 2010.[70] Reported problems include both government and private-sector corruption, the latter of which include money laundering, trafficking in narcotics and contraband, and tax evasion.[71] The Kirchner administration responded to the Global financial crisis of 2008–2009 with a record public-works program, new tax cuts and subsidies,[72][73] and the transfer of private pensions to the social security system. Private pension plans, which required growing subsidies to cover, were nationalized to shed a budgetary drain as well as to finance high government spending and debt obligations.[74][75]"



    From Wiki
  • Reply 71 of 122
    Blocking the iphone imports is clearly a violation of international trade law. The Obama Administration should lodge a lawsuit against Argentina at the World Trade Organization
  • Reply 72 of 122
    MacProMacPro Posts: 19,523member
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    Originally Posted by professorsteve View Post


    Blocking the iphone imports is clearly a violation of international trade law. The Obama Administration should lodge a lawsuit against Argentina at the World Trade Organization



    You have to wonder if the folks behind this actually understand international law. It almost sounds like a back room attempt at extortion by the mob.
  • Reply 73 of 122
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by digitalclips View Post


    While sympathizing I have to ask, so every country in the World says ... "Apple build here or we ban you!" ... Is that a good idea? What about every other product you import? Free Trade is not just a phrase, it is the fundamental underpinning of the western economic system.



    Of course not but things are so dire in Argentina that drastic and unorthodox measures had to be taken and it seems to be working since they've already convinced a few manufacturers to comply.
  • Reply 74 of 122
    MacProMacPro Posts: 19,523member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by dasanman69 View Post


    Of course not but things are so dire in Argentina that drastic and unorthodox measures had to be taken and it seems to be working since they've already convinced a few manufacturers to comply.



    What's that old expression ...? "Never give in to extortion".



    But seriously, if this is new news how come those others are there already? Is this not simply happenstance that Apple are not there when others are? Apple will manufacturing be in Brazil soon hopefully so they can't be everywhere.
  • Reply 75 of 122
    Once again, a government tries to solve one "problem" that results in the creation of more (and larger) problems.



    Stopping free trade not only hurts the individual consumers of your own country but it also results in job loss. Sure, the iPhone is made elsewhere. However, the distribution, shipping, advertising, and sales of those iPhones create local jobs.



    Hello black market.
  • Reply 76 of 122
    hmmhmm Posts: 3,405member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by noexpectations View Post


    Once again, a government tries to solve one "problem" that results in the creation of more (and larger) problems.



    Stopping free trade not only hurts the individual consumers of your own country but it also results in job loss. Sure, the iPhone is made elsewhere. However, the distribution, shipping, advertising, and sales of those iPhones create local jobs.



    Hello black market.



    There are other phones. They'll buy something. You are just grossly exaggerating the effect.
  • Reply 77 of 122
    cameronjcameronj Posts: 2,357member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by hmm View Post


    There are other phones. They'll buy something. You are just grossly exaggerating the effect.



    There was no exaggeration in that post, much less gross exaggeration. This policy will hurt the average consumer in Argentina and help strengthen criminals who are willing to smuggle iPhones across the border. No exaggeration, just facts. All for some measly minimum wage assembly line jobs? What a stupid set of politicians.
  • Reply 78 of 122
    conradjoeconradjoe Posts: 1,887member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by digitalclips View Post


    Apple will manufacturing be in Brazil soon hopefully so they can't be everywhere.



    Apple does not manufacture anything. Not anywhere.
  • Reply 79 of 122
    MacProMacPro Posts: 19,523member
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    Originally Posted by Txomin View Post


    Again? Las Islas Malvinas were invaded by the brits, kicking all the argentinians out.. Inform yourself before making stupid comments.



    Mmmmm stupid comments eh? Are you sure Argentina existed as a country when the islands were first settled by Brits? The Brits settled those islands in 1690. Meanwhile Argentina was established as a legal, federal state in 1853-1861. So where did those 'Argentinians' come from in 1690 that you say were kicked out? Perhaps you are confusing Spaniards with Argentinians, in which case the Brits and the Spaniards were kicking each other all over the place in 1690 but I hate to break it to you, there were no Argentinians at the time the islands were settled by Brits. The correct name is therefore, The Falkland Islands.
  • Reply 80 of 122
    MacProMacPro Posts: 19,523member
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    Originally Posted by maccherry View Post


    Who cares! The Argentines come to America and shop till they drop. I live on Miami beach and there is an Apple store on a place called Lincoln road. I work in the hotel biz and I see them stock piling Mac book airs,Mac books, iPads and iPhones like they are going out of style.



    Exactly, therein lies the stupidity of anti trade practices like this, unless they turn into a a closed society entirely people will buy elsewhere, the demand may even increase (you always want what you can't have even more). We simply sell more here in the US and Argentina loses the ability to have Apple Stores and all sorts of spin off revenues!



    I have to think this will be re thought ...
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