Hmmmm.... maybe if market share is the only thing companies care about (it's not)
Apple is gonna sell 25 million iPhones this quarter (to be clear... that's a single company over 3 months)
Apple can barely keep up as it is (1-2 week ship times... and one factory produces 200,000 every day)
Are they really worried about how they rank among "the other guys"?
iPhone vs Android... Mac vs Windows... Coke vs Pepsi... it sure is fun to talk about. But market share is just a number.
Apple doesn't need to dominate a market at all indeed, but a minimal presence is required and it would be better for Apple if the market is segmented instead of dominated by a single player. Imo Windows 8 phones and tablets are going to be direct competitors to Android and pretty much leave Apple market shares untouched. Go windows ... \ The problem at RIM are bad for Apple too, the more players in the market the better.
Apple is selling more macs because its selling phones, tablets and iPods. If there market share drops it will affect the mac line also. I know those are huge markets but Apple is already big and to growth they need to gain market shares, not lose some.
That's all these threads ever do is incite arguments. I remember when I first joined this forum the party line was no one cared about market share. Now it seems like theses thread become battle grounds over market share.
Interesting observation. May I present another? Why do we all think Apple is worried about market share?
I think we're all being distracted by the Apple vs. The World for market share paradigm.
I think Apple's real product is being presented through all its various products. The fundamental thing Apple sells is "User Experience."
Other than the Mac vs. PC ads, has Apple ever targeted a competitor? Apple's ads seem to overwhelmingly show a positive, User Experience spin. It seems to be working.
Did, or does, Apple build hardware that is seriously better than the other hardware competition? But, they charge premium prices for their hardware, they make handsome profits, all without massive market share.
Think about personal computers some more. Apple was making personal computers before windows existed. Windows came along. Apple vanished into being a "rounding error." Under Steve Jobs Apple improved their business picture. Not by racing to the bottom, but by racing to the top in User Experience.
Now think about mobile phones. Apple launched the iPhone. It oozed User Experience. So much so that all the other, entrenched, been around a long time, Apple can't possibly know what they're doing, phone makers suddenly were on the other side. The response, "Hey, we can do that, too!"
I don't think Apple really worries too much about what we call "the competition" here.
I believe Apple is its own biggest competitor. They must continually look out the window and see where we, the customers, the people who use technology, are banging our heads against the wall. And while everybody else is worrying about beating the last penny out of manufacturing costs and improving performance, someone at Apple will notice the trouble we have with technology and suggest a fix.
Consider the Apple Television. Everyone of us has been either beating our heads bloody about the mess or been dodging the remote controls hurled at us by our significant others and cursing those people that can't just FIX it. Steve said he figured it out. He probably did. I expect an extremely high end TV set that will set everybody on their ear and make us wonder why we didn't see that. The iPhone is a perfect example. How many of us wished for years that someone would build a good mobile browser? Why did Nokia and Sony, and HTC, and Samsung just look the other way?
Until they actually have serious competition from someone marketing User Experience, they will not pay that much attention to all this market share chatter. That's the market they own.
According to the comScore data, Apple had the highest percentage gain in the handset market last month. Here again are the Mobile OEM stats from comScore:
1: Samsung. Point change: +0.3
2: LG. Point change: -0.5
3: Motorola: Point change: -0.3
4: Apple. Point change: +1.4
5: RIM. Point change: -0.6
As for OS marketshare, Apple does not compete in the feature phone market. All the other OEM's on the list do. In spite of this, Apple is growing the fastest in the handset space, and doing so by only selling smartphones.
This is because smartphone adoption is on the rise, and the majority of smartphone buyers are choosing Apple.
A final fact: Apple is also the world's second most valuable company after Exxon Mobile.
When you look at the big picture, it's imperially clear that Apple is the world's most successful tech company. As it should be. Apple creates industry transforming innovation. Samsung and gang just copy.
Really depends on what developers are making on the platform. If Android has 50 percent marketshare, and Apple has 30 percent, but every Apple user downloads 3 times more apps per user than an Android user, then Apple is the winning platform, as developers will gravitate towards selling more of their apps, and could care less how many phones are activated.
Furthermore, a fragmented Android platform will make things even less profitable and more laborous for the developer. At theend of the day, the developer will determine the success or death of either platform. No infrastructure, no profits.
The Android demographic will remain the same when flooding the market with low cost phones, and this will be problematic from a host of standpoints.
Slappy still has a point. Clearly the 3gs at 0$ is not enough. Apple need to come up with a low cost phone, not just reduce the price of the old model.
Here in Montreal you can have a Galaxy II s or 4g for 0$. The 3gs is a two year old phone, none of is specs even come close to compete. Apple need to design something to compete at lower price points. If Apple is so good it should be able to produce a 0$ phone and still make a decent margin on it.
Same goes for the iPad. Apple need to do something about the erosion of is market shares. A repeat of the 90's Mac event could kill Apple in a few years.
Erosion of its market share? Apple's market share hasn't been eroding. It's been GROWING.
Apple isn't concerned about gaining the most market share. If it were, it would have more than one model released once a year. Apple would be like Samsung, HTC, and Mot etc. who have 30 different models and release a new one every other week. That's what Apple would do if it wanted to have the highest market share. The only thing that matters is profits. Period. That's why businesses are started and how they are managed to run.
Would you rather have 10 lemonade stands bringing in 50 cents a piece ? or 1 lemonade stand bringing in $10? What does it matter if you have 80% market share if you are only making half as much as the guy with 5%? All that extra effort for less return.
HP has to sell 10 PCs to earn the same profit Apple receives from 1 Mac. That's why HP wants out of the PC business. HP has the most market share but that matters little.
That's a frightening number for Apple management. It's a clear sign that Android has overwhelmed iOS in the market place. This only reinforces my statements that iOS will be marginalized as a small niche player.
I hesitate to feed the troll, but...
It's difficult to see iOS doomed to a niche future while not only do its sales increase (which can, of course, trail a faster-growing market) but while its market share continues to grow steadily. It is not comparable to the Macintosh-Windows face-off among desktop OSs, a scenario that had Apple playing a role more akin to today's RiM. That is, Windows' share came at the expense of Macintosh's; so far, iOS and Android are both growing at others' expense. Only when iOS's growth begins to trail the overall market's will that be a number that frightens Apple management.
It's difficult to see iOS doomed to a niche future while not only do its sales increase (which can, of course, trail a faster-growing market) but while its market share continues to grow steadily. It is not comparable to the Macintosh-Windows face-off among desktop OSs, a scenario that had Apple playing a role more akin to today's RiM. That is, Windows' share came at the expense of Macintosh's; so far, iOS and Android are both growing at others' expense. Only when iOS's growth begins to trail the overall market's will that be a number that frightens Apple management.
It's difficult to see iOS doomed to a niche future while not only do its sales increase (which can, of course, trail a faster-growing market) but while its market share continues to grow steadily. It is not comparable to the Macintosh-Windows face-off among desktop OSs, a scenario that had Apple playing a role more akin to today's RiM. That is, Windows' share came at the expense of Macintosh's; so far, iOS and Android are both growing at others' expense. Only when iOS's growth begins to trail the overall market's will that be a number that frightens Apple management.
That's not really correct either. The Mac/Windows analogy fails because a) the Mac never had comparable market share, b) the Windows monopoly was built on the DOS monopoly that IBM gifted to Microsoft and c) DOS/Windows controlled the developer mindshare. Especially on the latter point, the roles are entirely reversed between the marketshare leader and the mindshare leader. But the bottom line is that there aren't really any parallels between that story and this, and the argument from analogy is hopelessly flawed.
Of course, slappy's "prediction" is ironically the nightmare result for Google because it's way past the point where it becomes an antitrust problem on several fronts. I've often thought that the smart thing for Microsoft to do would be to exit the search market and hand Google a nice fat monopoly.
Slappy still has a point. Clearly the 3gs at 0$ is not enough. Apple need to come up with a low cost phone, not just reduce the price of the old model.
Apple has came up with low cost phones. The 3Gs was pared down to black 8GB only, and the 4 was chopped from 16GB/32GB to only 8GB. That allowed them to have iPhones in all price points from $0 right the way through the top of the line 4S 64GB at $399. Apple's current plan seems to be doing their bottom line perfectly fine, why should they listen to a random person's advice?
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Originally Posted by herbapou
Here in Montreal you can have a Galaxy II s or 4g for 0$. The 3gs is a two year old phone, none of is specs even come close to compete. Apple need to design something to compete at lower price points. If Apple is so good it should be able to produce a 0$ phone and still make a decent margin on it.
Remember that through the summer, the 16 month old iPhone 4 (at $199) and the 28 month old iPhone 3Gs (at $49) were the 2 best selling mobile phones in the United States, and probably several other countries around the world. If that's not 'competing on lower price points', I don't know what is. I know of 5 people who have all gotten the 3Gs since it was dropped to free, and not a single one of them has the first complaint about it as a phone, an iPod, a game platform, or an internet tool. If a serious tech person were to compare the phones, I do agree that they might say the older models are a bit slow, but to the average consumer coming from a feature phone, even a 2+ year old iPhone will completely blow them away.
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Originally Posted by herbapou
Same goes for the iPad. Apple need to do something about the erosion of is market shares. A repeat of the 90's Mac event could kill Apple in a few years.
What erosion? No other tablet manufacturer has ever released -real- sales numbers, so there are no other numbers out there to directly compare to Apple's announced quarterly iPad sales numbers. Let's look at how the competition are faring: HP dropped their tablet and put them on a fire sale less than 3 months after introduction. RIM's Playbook sold so well they also slashed their prices to move the unsold models. Dell dropped both their 5" and 7" streaks. Samsung is the only serious tablet manufacturer left, and their own 'shipped' numbers are a fraction of iPad's numbers in any given quarter, and they themselves admitted their numbers aren't sales to end users. If Apple has seen an erosion of their tablet numbers, that will quickly be regained once all the clearance sales are over.
I think $80+ Billion in the bank will prevent Apple from going anywhere in the foreseeable future. And just wait until this quarter's numbers are released.
"Android enjoyed an overwhelming lead in the smartphone OS space, taking nearly half of all smartphone subscribers with 46.9%. The 3.1 point change from August more than doubled the 1.4% growth Apple's iOS managed over the same period."
That's a frightening number for Apple management. It's a clear sign that Android has overwhelmed iOS in the market place. This only reinforces my statements that iOS will be marginalized as a small niche player. High profits will not be enought to sustain the product onece Android takes 98% share. I would be shocked if that doesn't happen in 2012. I do feel bad for Apple. They pushed the technology forward as with the Mac, only to lose again just like the Mac.
Dude, Get ready. The following Pics are FRIGHTENING! Oh My!
Apple Store - Century City/Los Angeles Cali - 12/24/2011
SONY Store - Century City/Los Angeles Cali - 12/24/2011
MICROSOFT Store - Century City/Los Angeles Cali - 12/24/2011
Dude, now tell me...What in the HELL are you talking about??
Slappy still has a point. Clearly the 3gs at 0$ is not enough. Apple need to come up with a low cost phone, not just reduce the price of the old model.
Here in Montreal you can have a Galaxy II s or 4g for 0$. The 3gs is a two year old phone, none of is specs even come close to compete. Apple need to design something to compete at lower price points. If Apple is so good it should be able to produce a 0$ phone and still make a decent margin on it.
Same goes for the iPad. Apple need to do something about the erosion of is market shares. A repeat of the 90's Mac event could kill Apple in a few years.
Dude, what in the hell are you talking about? Worried about what? Amazon itself just named the ipod touch a TOP selling device on it's TOP 2011 list. Apple TV same thing. I guess you "think" it's ONLY about two or three products but IN FACT their whole f-ing line is doing insanely well.
Dude, Get ready. The following Pics are FRIGHTENING! Oh My!
Apple Store - Century City/Los Angeles Cali - 12/24/2011
SONY Store - Century City/Los Angeles Cali - 12/24/2011
MICROSOFT Store - Century City/Los Angeles Cali - 12/24/2011
Dude, now tell me...What in the HELL are you talking about??
Slappy still has a point. Clearly the 3gs at 0$ is not enough. Apple need to come up with a low cost phone, not just reduce the price of the old model.
Here in Montreal you can have a Galaxy II s or 4g for 0$. The 3gs is a two year old phone, none of is specs even come close to compete. Apple need to design something to compete at lower price points. If Apple is so good it should be able to produce a 0$ phone and still make a decent margin on it.
Same goes for the iPad. Apple need to do something about the erosion of is market shares. A repeat of the 90's Mac event could kill Apple in a few years.
A point. That's exactly what I'm providing. A wake up call for those that continue to ignore factual information that are not complimentary to the Apple myth of continued success.
That's not really correct either. The Mac/Windows analogy fails because a) the Mac never had comparable market share, b) the Windows monopoly was built on the DOS monopoly that IBM gifted to Microsoft and c) DOS/Windows controlled the developer mindshare. Especially on the latter point, the roles are entirely reversed between the marketshare leader and the mindshare leader. But the bottom line is that there aren't really any parallels between that story and this, and the argument from analogy is hopelessly flawed.
Of course, slappy's "prediction" is ironically the nightmare result for Google because it's way past the point where it becomes an antitrust problem on several fronts. I've often thought that the smart thing for Microsoft to do would be to exit the search market and hand Google a nice fat monopoly.
He's probably referring to the fact that MS licensed out their OS across hardware vendors who then all competed for market share which drove prices down and allowed MS to basically monopolize the PC industry.
The problem is that basically after enjoying a long period of initial success, MS is now increasingly becoming irrelevant because that model of operation created a horrible end user experience and lack of innovation. So much so, that around 30% of all Windows users are still using XP which is over ten years old and even though WP7 has gotten solid reviews, no one cares.
Dude, what in the hell are you talking about? Worried about what? Amazon itself just named the ipod touch a TOP selling device on it's TOP 2011 list. Apple TV same thing. I guess you "think" it's ONLY about two or three products but IN FACT their whole f-ing line is doing insanely well.
Dude, Get ready. The following Pics are FRIGHTENING! Oh My!
Apple Store - Century City/Los Angeles Cali - 12/24/2011
SONY Store - Century City/Los Angeles Cali - 12/24/2011
MICROSOFT Store - Century City/Los Angeles Cali - 12/24/2011
Dude, now tell me...What in the HELL are you talking about??
This type of propaganda is deceitful. First of all, Apple is one company manufacturing a few products. Those products are mostly sold at the Apple Stores. Compared to the much larger market of their competitors and the vast numbers of channels where one can purchase those product, then of course those stores will not be crowded. One can buy these products practically everywhere. These store traffic comparisons are so silly and does nothing but provide a false sense of success with their retail store. If all Windows or Android products are sold the same way, the lines would dwarf the biggest Apple store lines today.
A point. That's exactly what I'm providing. A wake up call for those that continue to ignore factual information that are not complimentary to the Apple myth of continued success.
What factual data? Are you in California??
Verizon?
I mean Verizon ran a TWO FOR ONE promo for a YEAR on DROIDS dude, with giveaways like that Apple would never or could never catch up.
But you seem to ignore one rock solid point. While Droids out sell the one line Apple iphone, they FAIL at profiting or better yet making real cold hard cash where the iphone KILLS the droids...
Really? Read these charts... Doh! Doesn't look like Apples making "wrong" moves at all does it.
This type of propaganda is deceitful. First of all, Apple is one company manufacturing a few products. Those products are mostly sold at the Apple Stores. Compared to the much larger market of their competitors and the vast numbers of channels where one can purchase those product, then of course those stores will not be crowded. One can buy these products practically everywhere. These store traffic comparisons are so silly and does nothing but provide a false sense of success with their retail store. If all Windows or Android products are sold the same way, the lines would dwarf the biggest Apple store lines today.
What the hell are you talking about? LOL!
Apple stuff is "mostly sold at Apple stores"?
Oh I see, 1200+ Best Buy locations don't matter. Either does 2000+ Radio Shack locations, Verizon Stores, Sprint Stores, AT&T, Fry's, Wal Mart, Target...Do I really need to go on?
Those pics are anecdotal evidence of the sheer power of the Apple Ecosystem dude. It's a company that doesn't just sell phones. Geez. Their iphone sales are PROVING to be a gateway to their laptop line, desktops etc that continue to post DOUBLE DIGIT gains when compared to brands like DELL and HP. Clearly you don't get the real picture.
Here's another one.
Apple Store - Sherman Oaks / Los Angeles California 12/26/2011
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Hmmmm.... maybe if market share is the only thing companies care about (it's not)
Apple is gonna sell 25 million iPhones this quarter (to be clear... that's a single company over 3 months)
Apple can barely keep up as it is (1-2 week ship times... and one factory produces 200,000 every day)
Are they really worried about how they rank among "the other guys"?
iPhone vs Android... Mac vs Windows... Coke vs Pepsi... it sure is fun to talk about. But market share is just a number.
Apple doesn't need to dominate a market at all indeed, but a minimal presence is required and it would be better for Apple if the market is segmented instead of dominated by a single player. Imo Windows 8 phones and tablets are going to be direct competitors to Android and pretty much leave Apple market shares untouched. Go windows ...
Apple is selling more macs because its selling phones, tablets and iPods. If there market share drops it will affect the mac line also. I know those are huge markets but Apple is already big and to growth they need to gain market shares, not lose some.
So, in fact, Apple lost ground to Android
If it was some kind of contest... sure.
Or... Apple is selling the most phones it has ever sold...
That's all these threads ever do is incite arguments. I remember when I first joined this forum the party line was no one cared about market share. Now it seems like theses thread become battle grounds over market share.
Interesting observation. May I present another? Why do we all think Apple is worried about market share?
I think we're all being distracted by the Apple vs. The World for market share paradigm.
I think Apple's real product is being presented through all its various products. The fundamental thing Apple sells is "User Experience."
Other than the Mac vs. PC ads, has Apple ever targeted a competitor? Apple's ads seem to overwhelmingly show a positive, User Experience spin. It seems to be working.
Did, or does, Apple build hardware that is seriously better than the other hardware competition? But, they charge premium prices for their hardware, they make handsome profits, all without massive market share.
Think about personal computers some more. Apple was making personal computers before windows existed. Windows came along. Apple vanished into being a "rounding error." Under Steve Jobs Apple improved their business picture. Not by racing to the bottom, but by racing to the top in User Experience.
Now think about mobile phones. Apple launched the iPhone. It oozed User Experience. So much so that all the other, entrenched, been around a long time, Apple can't possibly know what they're doing, phone makers suddenly were on the other side. The response, "Hey, we can do that, too!"
I don't think Apple really worries too much about what we call "the competition" here.
I believe Apple is its own biggest competitor. They must continually look out the window and see where we, the customers, the people who use technology, are banging our heads against the wall. And while everybody else is worrying about beating the last penny out of manufacturing costs and improving performance, someone at Apple will notice the trouble we have with technology and suggest a fix.
Consider the Apple Television. Everyone of us has been either beating our heads bloody about the mess or been dodging the remote controls hurled at us by our significant others and cursing those people that can't just FIX it. Steve said he figured it out. He probably did. I expect an extremely high end TV set that will set everybody on their ear and make us wonder why we didn't see that. The iPhone is a perfect example. How many of us wished for years that someone would build a good mobile browser? Why did Nokia and Sony, and HTC, and Samsung just look the other way?
Until they actually have serious competition from someone marketing User Experience, they will not pay that much attention to all this market share chatter. That's the market they own.
1: Samsung. Point change: +0.3
2: LG. Point change: -0.5
3: Motorola: Point change: -0.3
4: Apple. Point change: +1.4
5: RIM. Point change: -0.6
As for OS marketshare, Apple does not compete in the feature phone market. All the other OEM's on the list do. In spite of this, Apple is growing the fastest in the handset space, and doing so by only selling smartphones.
This is because smartphone adoption is on the rise, and the majority of smartphone buyers are choosing Apple.
Another fact: The iPhone is the world's #1 phone.
A final fact: Apple is also the world's second most valuable company after Exxon Mobile.
When you look at the big picture, it's imperially clear that Apple is the world's most successful tech company. As it should be. Apple creates industry transforming innovation. Samsung and gang just copy.
Furthermore, a fragmented Android platform will make things even less profitable and more laborous for the developer. At theend of the day, the developer will determine the success or death of either platform. No infrastructure, no profits.
The Android demographic will remain the same when flooding the market with low cost phones, and this will be problematic from a host of standpoints.
Why, he's fun to read. It's not often someone will go so far out on a limb to show their ignorance.
He/She is perhaps 12.
Slappy still has a point. Clearly the 3gs at 0$ is not enough. Apple need to come up with a low cost phone, not just reduce the price of the old model.
Here in Montreal you can have a Galaxy II s or 4g for 0$. The 3gs is a two year old phone, none of is specs even come close to compete. Apple need to design something to compete at lower price points. If Apple is so good it should be able to produce a 0$ phone and still make a decent margin on it.
Same goes for the iPad. Apple need to do something about the erosion of is market shares. A repeat of the 90's Mac event could kill Apple in a few years.
Erosion of its market share? Apple's market share hasn't been eroding. It's been GROWING.
Apple isn't concerned about gaining the most market share. If it were, it would have more than one model released once a year. Apple would be like Samsung, HTC, and Mot etc. who have 30 different models and release a new one every other week. That's what Apple would do if it wanted to have the highest market share. The only thing that matters is profits. Period. That's why businesses are started and how they are managed to run.
Would you rather have 10 lemonade stands bringing in 50 cents a piece ? or 1 lemonade stand bringing in $10? What does it matter if you have 80% market share if you are only making half as much as the guy with 5%? All that extra effort for less return.
HP has to sell 10 PCs to earn the same profit Apple receives from 1 Mac. That's why HP wants out of the PC business. HP has the most market share but that matters little.
That's a frightening number for Apple management. It's a clear sign that Android has overwhelmed iOS in the market place. This only reinforces my statements that iOS will be marginalized as a small niche player.
I hesitate to feed the troll, but...
It's difficult to see iOS doomed to a niche future while not only do its sales increase (which can, of course, trail a faster-growing market) but while its market share continues to grow steadily. It is not comparable to the Macintosh-Windows face-off among desktop OSs, a scenario that had Apple playing a role more akin to today's RiM. That is, Windows' share came at the expense of Macintosh's; so far, iOS and Android are both growing at others' expense. Only when iOS's growth begins to trail the overall market's will that be a number that frightens Apple management.
Apple need to do something about the erosion of is market shares.
Like what ... since its market share is growing?
I hesitate to feed the troll, but...
It's difficult to see iOS doomed to a niche future while not only do its sales increase (which can, of course, trail a faster-growing market) but while its market share continues to grow steadily. It is not comparable to the Macintosh-Windows face-off among desktop OSs, a scenario that had Apple playing a role more akin to today's RiM. That is, Windows' share came at the expense of Macintosh's; so far, iOS and Android are both growing at others' expense. Only when iOS's growth begins to trail the overall market's will that be a number that frightens Apple management.
Post #26 sums it up nicely...
I hesitate to feed the troll, but...
It's difficult to see iOS doomed to a niche future while not only do its sales increase (which can, of course, trail a faster-growing market) but while its market share continues to grow steadily. It is not comparable to the Macintosh-Windows face-off among desktop OSs, a scenario that had Apple playing a role more akin to today's RiM. That is, Windows' share came at the expense of Macintosh's; so far, iOS and Android are both growing at others' expense. Only when iOS's growth begins to trail the overall market's will that be a number that frightens Apple management.
That's not really correct either. The Mac/Windows analogy fails because a) the Mac never had comparable market share, b) the Windows monopoly was built on the DOS monopoly that IBM gifted to Microsoft and c) DOS/Windows controlled the developer mindshare. Especially on the latter point, the roles are entirely reversed between the marketshare leader and the mindshare leader. But the bottom line is that there aren't really any parallels between that story and this, and the argument from analogy is hopelessly flawed.
Of course, slappy's "prediction" is ironically the nightmare result for Google because it's way past the point where it becomes an antitrust problem on several fronts. I've often thought that the smart thing for Microsoft to do would be to exit the search market and hand Google a nice fat monopoly.
And, yes post #26 does make some good points.
Slappy still has a point. Clearly the 3gs at 0$ is not enough. Apple need to come up with a low cost phone, not just reduce the price of the old model.
Apple has came up with low cost phones. The 3Gs was pared down to black 8GB only, and the 4 was chopped from 16GB/32GB to only 8GB. That allowed them to have iPhones in all price points from $0 right the way through the top of the line 4S 64GB at $399. Apple's current plan seems to be doing their bottom line perfectly fine, why should they listen to a random person's advice?
Here in Montreal you can have a Galaxy II s or 4g for 0$. The 3gs is a two year old phone, none of is specs even come close to compete. Apple need to design something to compete at lower price points. If Apple is so good it should be able to produce a 0$ phone and still make a decent margin on it.
Remember that through the summer, the 16 month old iPhone 4 (at $199) and the 28 month old iPhone 3Gs (at $49) were the 2 best selling mobile phones in the United States, and probably several other countries around the world. If that's not 'competing on lower price points', I don't know what is. I know of 5 people who have all gotten the 3Gs since it was dropped to free, and not a single one of them has the first complaint about it as a phone, an iPod, a game platform, or an internet tool. If a serious tech person were to compare the phones, I do agree that they might say the older models are a bit slow, but to the average consumer coming from a feature phone, even a 2+ year old iPhone will completely blow them away.
Same goes for the iPad. Apple need to do something about the erosion of is market shares. A repeat of the 90's Mac event could kill Apple in a few years.
What erosion? No other tablet manufacturer has ever released -real- sales numbers, so there are no other numbers out there to directly compare to Apple's announced quarterly iPad sales numbers. Let's look at how the competition are faring: HP dropped their tablet and put them on a fire sale less than 3 months after introduction. RIM's Playbook sold so well they also slashed their prices to move the unsold models. Dell dropped both their 5" and 7" streaks. Samsung is the only serious tablet manufacturer left, and their own 'shipped' numbers are a fraction of iPad's numbers in any given quarter, and they themselves admitted their numbers aren't sales to end users. If Apple has seen an erosion of their tablet numbers, that will quickly be regained once all the clearance sales are over.
I think $80+ Billion in the bank will prevent Apple from going anywhere in the foreseeable future. And just wait until this quarter's numbers are released.
"Android enjoyed an overwhelming lead in the smartphone OS space, taking nearly half of all smartphone subscribers with 46.9%. The 3.1 point change from August more than doubled the 1.4% growth Apple's iOS managed over the same period."
That's a frightening number for Apple management. It's a clear sign that Android has overwhelmed iOS in the market place. This only reinforces my statements that iOS will be marginalized as a small niche player. High profits will not be enought to sustain the product onece Android takes 98% share. I would be shocked if that doesn't happen in 2012. I do feel bad for Apple. They pushed the technology forward as with the Mac, only to lose again just like the Mac.
Dude, Get ready. The following Pics are FRIGHTENING! Oh My!
Apple Store - Century City/Los Angeles Cali - 12/24/2011
SONY Store - Century City/Los Angeles Cali - 12/24/2011
MICROSOFT Store - Century City/Los Angeles Cali - 12/24/2011
Dude, now tell me...What in the HELL are you talking about??
This is because smartphone adoption is on the rise, and the majority of smartphone buyers are choosing Apple.
Mmm, not necessarily, the grow of Samsung can be perfectly hurt by the shrinking sales of dumb phones.
If the majority of buyers of smartphones choose Apple, why the smartphone marketshare gap between Apple and Android is growing?
Slappy still has a point. Clearly the 3gs at 0$ is not enough. Apple need to come up with a low cost phone, not just reduce the price of the old model.
Here in Montreal you can have a Galaxy II s or 4g for 0$. The 3gs is a two year old phone, none of is specs even come close to compete. Apple need to design something to compete at lower price points. If Apple is so good it should be able to produce a 0$ phone and still make a decent margin on it.
Same goes for the iPad. Apple need to do something about the erosion of is market shares. A repeat of the 90's Mac event could kill Apple in a few years.
Dude, what in the hell are you talking about? Worried about what? Amazon itself just named the ipod touch a TOP selling device on it's TOP 2011 list. Apple TV same thing. I guess you "think" it's ONLY about two or three products but IN FACT their whole f-ing line is doing insanely well.
Dude, Get ready. The following Pics are FRIGHTENING! Oh My!
Apple Store - Century City/Los Angeles Cali - 12/24/2011
SONY Store - Century City/Los Angeles Cali - 12/24/2011
MICROSOFT Store - Century City/Los Angeles Cali - 12/24/2011
Dude, now tell me...What in the HELL are you talking about??
Slappy still has a point. Clearly the 3gs at 0$ is not enough. Apple need to come up with a low cost phone, not just reduce the price of the old model.
Here in Montreal you can have a Galaxy II s or 4g for 0$. The 3gs is a two year old phone, none of is specs even come close to compete. Apple need to design something to compete at lower price points. If Apple is so good it should be able to produce a 0$ phone and still make a decent margin on it.
Same goes for the iPad. Apple need to do something about the erosion of is market shares. A repeat of the 90's Mac event could kill Apple in a few years.
A point. That's exactly what I'm providing. A wake up call for those that continue to ignore factual information that are not complimentary to the Apple myth of continued success.
That's not really correct either. The Mac/Windows analogy fails because a) the Mac never had comparable market share, b) the Windows monopoly was built on the DOS monopoly that IBM gifted to Microsoft and c) DOS/Windows controlled the developer mindshare. Especially on the latter point, the roles are entirely reversed between the marketshare leader and the mindshare leader. But the bottom line is that there aren't really any parallels between that story and this, and the argument from analogy is hopelessly flawed.
Of course, slappy's "prediction" is ironically the nightmare result for Google because it's way past the point where it becomes an antitrust problem on several fronts. I've often thought that the smart thing for Microsoft to do would be to exit the search market and hand Google a nice fat monopoly.
And, yes post #26 does make some good points.
He's probably referring to the fact that MS licensed out their OS across hardware vendors who then all competed for market share which drove prices down and allowed MS to basically monopolize the PC industry.
The problem is that basically after enjoying a long period of initial success, MS is now increasingly becoming irrelevant because that model of operation created a horrible end user experience and lack of innovation. So much so, that around 30% of all Windows users are still using XP which is over ten years old and even though WP7 has gotten solid reviews, no one cares.
Dude, what in the hell are you talking about? Worried about what? Amazon itself just named the ipod touch a TOP selling device on it's TOP 2011 list. Apple TV same thing. I guess you "think" it's ONLY about two or three products but IN FACT their whole f-ing line is doing insanely well.
Dude, Get ready. The following Pics are FRIGHTENING! Oh My!
Apple Store - Century City/Los Angeles Cali - 12/24/2011
SONY Store - Century City/Los Angeles Cali - 12/24/2011
MICROSOFT Store - Century City/Los Angeles Cali - 12/24/2011
Dude, now tell me...What in the HELL are you talking about??
This type of propaganda is deceitful. First of all, Apple is one company manufacturing a few products. Those products are mostly sold at the Apple Stores. Compared to the much larger market of their competitors and the vast numbers of channels where one can purchase those product, then of course those stores will not be crowded. One can buy these products practically everywhere. These store traffic comparisons are so silly and does nothing but provide a false sense of success with their retail store. If all Windows or Android products are sold the same way, the lines would dwarf the biggest Apple store lines today.
A point. That's exactly what I'm providing. A wake up call for those that continue to ignore factual information that are not complimentary to the Apple myth of continued success.
What factual data? Are you in California??
Verizon?
I mean Verizon ran a TWO FOR ONE promo for a YEAR on DROIDS dude, with giveaways like that Apple would never or could never catch up.
But you seem to ignore one rock solid point. While Droids out sell the one line Apple iphone, they FAIL at profiting or better yet making real cold hard cash where the iphone KILLS the droids...
Really? Read these charts... Doh! Doesn't look like Apples making "wrong" moves at all does it.
http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2011/10/...the-4g-droids/
This type of propaganda is deceitful. First of all, Apple is one company manufacturing a few products. Those products are mostly sold at the Apple Stores. Compared to the much larger market of their competitors and the vast numbers of channels where one can purchase those product, then of course those stores will not be crowded. One can buy these products practically everywhere. These store traffic comparisons are so silly and does nothing but provide a false sense of success with their retail store. If all Windows or Android products are sold the same way, the lines would dwarf the biggest Apple store lines today.
What the hell are you talking about? LOL!
Apple stuff is "mostly sold at Apple stores"?
Oh I see, 1200+ Best Buy locations don't matter. Either does 2000+ Radio Shack locations, Verizon Stores, Sprint Stores, AT&T, Fry's, Wal Mart, Target...Do I really need to go on?
Those pics are anecdotal evidence of the sheer power of the Apple Ecosystem dude. It's a company that doesn't just sell phones. Geez. Their iphone sales are PROVING to be a gateway to their laptop line, desktops etc that continue to post DOUBLE DIGIT gains when compared to brands like DELL and HP. Clearly you don't get the real picture.
Here's another one.
Apple Store - Sherman Oaks / Los Angeles California 12/26/2011