Apple again rumored to switch to IGZO displays for 'iPad 3'

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in iPad edited January 2014
Industry sources claim Apple will move away from in-plane switching display technology in favor of IGZO flat panels for its mobile products, starting with its third-generation iPad early next year.



Taiwan's DigiTimes reported on Friday that Sharp will provide the new IGZO (indium gallium zinc oxide) panels "in order to upgrade the display resolution of the new tablets to full HD level."



Sources also said that Sharp had switched some of its large-size panel capacity over to production of smaller smartphone and tablet panels. The tipsters alleged that the majority of Taiwan-based flat panel makers are able to produce IGZO panels, though yield rates are still an issue for many of them.



However, it should be noted the publication has a hit-and-miss track record as of late. The site further lost credibility this week when it claimed that the next-generation iPad would be unveiled at the Macworld|iWorld 2012 conference in January. The Loop's Jim Dalrymple quickly dismissed the rumor as being "completely false."



Still, Friday's report may serve to corroborate other recent claims that Apple will make the switch to the new technology. In November, Jeffries analyst Peter Misek first claimed that Apple would partner with Sharp on the new IGZO displays. The technology could offer resolution of up to 330 dots-per-inch without requiring dual-bar LED backlighting.



"In our view, this should lead to several design advantages, namely the device can be thinner, battery life should be longer, and the overall experience for users should be meaningfully improved," he told investors.



On the heels of Misek's report, The Wall Street Journal claimed Apple had invested a substantial amount in Sharp's manufacturing facilities for LCD panels bound for the next-generation iPad and iPhone.







Numerous reports have claimed Apple will release a high-resolution third-generation iPad with pixel density approaching that of the Retina Display found in the iPhone 4 and iPhone 4S. The device is also expected to feature Apple's next-generation processor, presumably called the A6. Predictions vary as to when exactly the next iPad will arrive, but the general consensus is that Apple will release the device in early 2012.
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  • Reply 1 of 53
    dgnr8dgnr8 Posts: 196member
    Apple Leads

    Others Scramble

    Year Later "Apple didn't lead, that was where the industry was going"
  • Reply 2 of 53
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by DGNR8 View Post


    Apple Leads

    Others Scramble



    Apple's business model is more focused around yearly iteration and occasional paradigm shifting innovation.



    The alternative model seems to be fast iteration and rapid, incremental updates. Both have their place.
  • Reply 3 of 53
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    Originally Posted by Snapple View Post


    Apple's business model is more focused around yearly iteration and occasional paradigm shifting innovation.



    The alternative model seems to be fast iteration and rapid, incremental updates. Both have their place.



    Actually, the rapid iteration to the consumer to work the kinks out is a race to the bottom.



    Apple works the iterations internally and delivers showing the Consumer they need it.



    The others clone and repeat the iterations resulting in high volumes but very low profit margins resulting an attrition of competition.



    2012 will see more vendors leaving certain spaces and looking for new spaces to survive in.
  • Reply 4 of 53
    Where can I see these IGZO displays now? I'm really eager to check out how much better they are compared to AMOLED, OLED, and Retina displays.
  • Reply 5 of 53
    jeffdmjeffdm Posts: 12,946member
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    Originally Posted by eric475 View Post


    Where can I see these IGZO displays now? I'm really eager to check out how much better they are compared to AMOLED, OLED, and Retina displays.



    I can only find two articles on the Internet about it that are older than yesterday, and one of them is a press release from Sharp.
  • Reply 6 of 53
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by DGNR8 View Post


    Apple Leads

    Others Scramble

    Year Later "Apple didn't lead, that was where the industry was going"



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Snapple View Post


    Apple's business model is more focused around yearly iteration and occasional paradigm shifting innovation.



    The alternative model seems to be fast iteration and rapid, incremental updates. Both have their place.



    Scramble/fast iteration. Tomayto/tomauto
  • Reply 7 of 53
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 20,291member
    JeffDM is right, there's very little explanation of IGZO displays on the web. From bits and pieces here and there it appears the claim to fame isn't a better quality display but rather a 30% or more reduction in power requirements to light up those millions of tiny pixels.
  • Reply 8 of 53
    Yeah, there's too little information. From what I've read, IGZO is probably a new technology for TFT transistors, so comparing it to IPS or OLED doesn't make sense. You can make an IPS/OLED/TN display utilizing IGZO.
  • Reply 9 of 53
    With the lack of any positive advance marketing by Sharp one must assume this is deemed an acceptable resolution/cost gain for Apple.

    Thus there will be high resolution screens at low prices and an acceptable quality and more importantly something unique to sell.





    That is assuming the truth of the matter. It is not beyond Apple to seed stories as a path diversion for news seekers.

    With Apple obviously choosing to wind down other relationships there has to be some truth to this.
  • Reply 10 of 53
    shompashompa Posts: 340member
    I hate DigiTimes..



    This "report" is at lest possible. Apple payed Sharp almost a billion dollar earlier this year to manufacture retina displays. Lets hope for a IGZO display so that we don't have to have dual LED lights.
  • Reply 11 of 53
    shompashompa Posts: 340member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Snapple View Post


    Apple's business model is more focused around yearly iteration and occasional paradigm shifting innovation.



    The alternative model seems to be fast iteration and rapid, incremental updates. Both have their place.



    The "rapid" incremental updates only serves nerd and so called experts who prefer an 1.2 ghz ARM instead of an 1 ghz ARM. These experts don't have a clue since they only look at the .2 number and believes its better.



    Consumer electronics needs to move away from it. Apple wont even publish these details since they are irrelevant.
  • Reply 12 of 53
    desarcdesarc Posts: 642member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by shompa View Post


    The "rapid" incremental updates only serves nerd and so called experts who prefer an 1.2 ghz ARM instead of an 1 ghz ARM. These experts don't have a clue since they only look at the .2 number and believes its better.



    Consumer electronics needs to move away from it. Apple wont even publish these details since they are irrelevant.



    in many ways i agree - especially about tech specs, but i think the number is far greater than you may think. A cutting edge phone is a status symbol for a VERY large percentage of people - even if they have no idea what makes their phone cutting edge, and have no idea when it was released or when a newer model will be released. i believe that this is why HTC does so well - their incredibly rapid iterations are by no means garbage. The operating system[s] they carry is another story...
  • Reply 13 of 53
    al_bundyal_bundy Posts: 1,525member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by desarc View Post


    in many ways i agree - especially about tech specs, but i think the number is far greater than you may think. A cutting edge phone is a status symbol for a VERY large percentage of people - even if they have no idea what makes their phone cutting edge, and have no idea when it was released or when a newer model will be released. i believe that this is why HTC does so well - their incredibly rapid iterations are by no means garbage. The operating system[s] they carry is another story...



    HTC sales fell off a cliff this quarter. They are taking a major spanking between Samsung and Apple



    this is what happens when you sell the same phone under different names every other month. no brand is built and after a while people stop buying from you
  • Reply 14 of 53
    andysolandysol Posts: 2,506member
    Whatd it say after "digitimes"? I kind of tuned out after that.
  • Reply 15 of 53
    jragostajragosta Posts: 10,473member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by JeffDM View Post


    I can only find two articles on the Internet about it that are older than yesterday, and one of them is a press release from Sharp.



    You really need to work on your search skills. For example, google "igzo display -apple -ipad" and you get a few hundred thousand hits. One of the first is a pretty good (albeit very technical) review article:

    http://iopscience.iop.org/1468-6996/...1_4_044305.pdf
  • Reply 16 of 53
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 20,291member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jragosta View Post


    You really need to work on your search skills. For example, google "igzo display -apple -ipad" and you get a few hundred thousand hits. One of the first is a pretty good (albeit very technical) review article:

    http://iopscience.iop.org/1468-6996/...1_4_044305.pdf







    Nearly every single one of your "hits" reference the same Apple iPad IGZO display rumor as AI does or a related one on the iPhone. Confirmed by a spot check of the first 37 pages of links, with very rare exception they're all parrots of the same rumor, and lacking any technical details.



    I think JeffDM's search skills came to the right conclusion: There's very few sources with information and spec's on what IGZO displays might offer to Apple products other than potentially lower power consumption keeping redesign more agreeable. Certainly not a few hundred thousand.
  • Reply 17 of 53
    jragostajragosta Posts: 10,473member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Gatorguy View Post






    Nearly every single one of your "hits" reference the same Apple iPad IGZO display rumor as AI does or a related one on the iPhone. Confirmed by a spot check of the first 37 pages of links, with very rare exception they're all parrots of the same rumor, and lacking any technical details.



    I think JeffDM's search skills came to the right conclusion: There's very few sources with information and spec's on what IGZO displays might offer to Apple products other than potentially lower power consumption keeping redesign more agreeable. Certainly not a few hundred thousand.



    So you're incapable of using Google, too. Amazing, but not surprising. (or maybe you're just lying).



    I just repeated it. Use the search terms that I provided (without the quotes, of course). 84,900 hits.



    First page - not a single one discusses the iPad (although there is one which says IGZO will be used on the iPhone 5). The rest are technical articles and/or discussions of Jusung Engineering's progress with IGZO.



    Next page - more technical articles along with a few articles about Sharp. Nothing about Apple or the iPad.



    Third page - more of the same.



    Yahoo! and Bing give essentially the same results.



    Just for kicks, here are the first 5 hits on Google.

    1. http://www.eecs.umich.edu/omelab/dow...20Displays.pdf



    2. http://iopscience.iop.org/1468-6996/...1_4_044305.pdf

    (That's the one I already gave).



    3. http://www.azonano.com/news.aspx?newsID=23852



    4. http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/Xplore/lo...hDecision=-203



    5. http://www.jseng.com/EN/pr/news_view...str=01&bcode=1



    None of those are about Apple or the iPad.



    So which is it? Are you a blatant liar or are you too stupid to use Google?
  • Reply 18 of 53
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 20,291member
    http://www.google.com/search?q=igzo+...ient=firefox-a



    I'm sure we're all stupid and incapable of finding anything on the web compared to you.



    EDIT: Ah, I see the difference. You eliminated all references to Apple from the results. So sorry, your ad-homs were obviously appropriate. You should use them more often.
  • Reply 19 of 53
    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Gatorguy View Post


    http://www.google.com/search?q=igzo+...ient=firefox-a



    I'm sure we're all stupid and incapable of finding anything on the web compared to you.



    EDIT: Ah, I see the difference. You eliminated all references to Apple from the results. So sorry, your ad-homs were obviously appropriate. You should use them more often.



    'Stupid' is probably not the appropriate word. In reference to your original post I do wish Google could do something about so many links that only repeat the info from the same reference. I have often thought that the scenario that there are 84 bazillion articles claiming to confirm something, doesn't make it true, if they are all quoting the same source. I think they should be sorted and nested together like Google sometimes does with duplicated links.
  • Reply 20 of 53
    jragostajragosta Posts: 10,473member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Gatorguy View Post


    http://www.google.com/search?q=igzo+...ient=firefox-a



    I'm sure we're all stupid and incapable of finding anything on the web compared to you.



    EDIT: Ah, I see the difference. You eliminated all references to Apple from the results. So sorry, your ad-homs were obviously appropriate. You should use them more often.



    Yep. You're obviously incapable of using Google. You're also obviously incapable of simply copying and pasting a search string. Of course, given the ridiculousness of 95% of what you post, that's not surprising.
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