Exactly, it's a cultural thing, Experiments on live human subjects that involved amputations and various fom of physical torture, the harakere, by far the more ruthless in WWII as torturers, slave porn trade atrocities to make the hair raise on anyone...I am not making a value judgment on this, it's just my frank impression. And of course there all sorts of small points divorce laws, reality shows, hentai, their criminals, foot binding, the geisha culture etc.
Be a man, be a human bing and make a value judgement, stand for something.
I'm just glad they didn't copy Japanese quality control, or lack there of. every Sony product, and Japanese car I've owned have all broken down many times. Most recently I was talked into a new 2011 Nissan. That thing broken down twice in the first week I had it. A door, a mirror, and a wheel all fell off of it, so at the 6 week mark I was sick of it and bought a VW for $8K less! Like my VW and pervious VWs I've owned, I have yet to have an issue with an Apple product.
This post is so deplorably researched that it's positively embarrassing.
Half of it is plagiarism since it's copy-paste from Walters' biography. What I find strange is that the site is a blog, not editorial journalism. A bit like RD, but there at least DED sometimes answers to people who post. I've never seen a reply from the authors, in this case Mikey. Only from moderators. However, they supply a lot of background info, that I always enjoy reading.
And by filtering out the ads (Safari reader etcetera) I experience it as a truly free information source. So thanks AI, I for one enjoy your work.
Exactly, it's a cultural thing, Experiments on live human subjects that involved amputations and various fom of physical torture, the harakere, by far the more ruthless in WWII as torturers, slave porn trade atrocities to make the hair raise on anyone...I am not making a value judgment on this, it's just my frank impression. And of course there all sorts of small points divorce laws, reality shows, hentai, their criminals, foot binding, the geisha culture etc.
As if you are ignorant of the atrocity in Europe during WWII. Heck, you want to know about tortures read about the type of toys that was built during the inquisition. I can nit pick things about the US and come up with the same impression.
Your sweeping accusations that "it's a cultural thing" for Japanese to experiment on human subjects, slave porn, etc, just show how terribly ignorant you really are. Foot binding isn't even Japanese, another evidence to your ignorance. And those above you listed are vices that all kind of human, not exclusive to Japanese, are capable of.
In some way, i pity you.
Btw, hara kiri (not harakere) is not a form of torture.
As if you are ignorant of the atrocity in Europe during WWII. Heck, you want to know about tortures read about the type of toys that was built during the inquisition. I can nit pick things about the US and come up with the same impression.
Your sweeping accusations that "it's a cultural thing" for Japanese to experiment on human subjects, slave porn, etc, just show how terribly ignorant you really are. Foot binding isn't even Japanese, another evidence to your ignorance. And those above you listed are vices that all kind of human, not exclusive to Japanese, are capable of.
In some way, i pity you.
Btw, hara kiri (not harakere) is not a form of torture.
Again, as I said earlier, ALL countries are guilty of this shit. Nobody has a copyright on brutality.
Let's try to not focus on the 'wrongs of the human species' and focus on the initial article subject of Steve Job's love of certain aspects of Japanese culture.
Or should we just cut to the chase and start arguing about religion right now?
As if you are ignorant of the atrocity in Europe during WWII. Heck, you want to know about tortures read about the type of toys that was built during the inquisition. I can nit pick things about the US and come up with the same impression.
Your sweeping accusations that "it's a cultural thing" for Japanese to experiment on human subjects, slave porn, etc, just show how terribly ignorant you really are. Foot binding isn't even Japanese, another evidence to your ignorance. And those above you listed are vices that all kind of human, not exclusive to Japanese, are capable of.
In some way, i pity you.
Btw, hara kiri (not harakere) is not a form of torture.
I understand where you are coming from.
Japanese learn in school that the underaged Korean girls enslaved from their 35-year colonial rule in Korea were willingly providing "comfort" services for the Japanese imperial army and well-compensated.
Japanese learn in school that the underaged Korean girls enslaved from their 35-year colonial rule in Korea were willingly providing "comfort" services for the Japanese imperial army and well-compensated.
Source, please.
Japanese are taught very little about the war or Japanese Imperialism to begin with.
Anyone who still talks about Japanese atrocities in World War II and opine that it reflects on modern-day Japanese society is ignorant. Modern Japan is more akin to a Quaker society.
You won't see the Japanese flag flying over Japanese public schools because the liberal teacher's union forbids it as an ongoing rejection of Japanese nationalism of 70 years ago. (This may have changed as I left eleven years ago after living in Tokyo for seven years.)
In those seven years, I was never once threatened or felt any danger to my personhood at any time, day or night, and walked everywhere, including Kabukicho. I'm not without fear walking down Market Street in San Francisco.
As if you are ignorant of the atrocity in Europe during WWII. Heck, you want to know about tortures read about the type of toys that was built during the inquisition. I can nit pick things about the US and come up with the same impression.
Your sweeping accusations that "it's a cultural thing" for Japanese to experiment on human subjects, slave porn, etc, just show how terribly ignorant you really are. Foot binding isn't even Japanese, another evidence to your ignorance. And those above you listed are vices that all kind of human, not exclusive to Japanese, are capable of.
In some way, i pity you.
Btw, hara kiri (not harakere) is not a form of torture.
i see I elicited a strong emotional reaction from you, I wonder why?
I find Japan fascinating and hope to visit it one day. I stumbled across this video that is a little slice of Tokyo at night in the 80's - very interesting.
Sushi is to Apple as pizza is to Android. See if anyone gets this ...
Oh really? Apple sells pizza in their cafeteria and it constantly has the longest lines. So long that Apple has added a second pizza oven outside. Even with the second oven, it still has the longest lines.
There's rarely a line for the sushi. In fact, the hamburger line and the burrito line attract way more people than the sushi.
Making Sushi is an art where you need to pay attention to the details, meanwhile pizza is hand tossed with sauce splattered all over the place and full of grease
That or Sushi is an acquired taste and Pizza is for everyone and their mother.
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Originally Posted by stelligent
Sushi is to Apple as pizza is to Android. See if anyone gets this ...
First of all, Shinto is the official Japanese state religion, not Zen Buddhism which is mostly a Western affectation of, get this, white people.
More proof that journalism is utterly dead.
Zen Buddhism has been around a long time in Japan, and has greatly influenced Japanese society, particularly art and design. Those rock and sand gardens in Kyoto (Japan's ancient capital) are Zen gardens, not Shinto gardens. The tradition of Zen calligraphy is very strong in japan, and the development of the Tea ceremony was greatly influenced by Zen Buddhism. These Zen arts had a great influence on the developoment of the Japanese design aesthetic. Of course, the samurai adopted Zen philosophy in the 13th century to release them from fear and instill a code of ethics.
What Americans do with the idea of Zen Buddhism doesn't take away from its importance in Japanese history.
Zen Buddhism has been around a long time in Japan, and has greatly influenced Japanese society, particularly art and design. Those rock and sand gardens in Kyoto (Japan's ancient capital) are Zen gardens, not Shinto gardens. The tradition of Zen calligraphy is very strong in japan, and the development of the Tea ceremony was greatly influenced by Zen Buddhism. These Zen arts had a great influence on the developoment of the Japanese design aesthetic. Of course, the samurai adopted Zen philosophy in the 13th century to release them from fear and instill a code of ethics.
What Americans do with the idea of Zen Buddhism doesn't take away from its importance in Japanese history.
Good one, thanks.
Seems to me that Steve did a lot of good with what he got from Zen. From Jony Ive too, no doubt.
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I JUST WANT TO REITERTATE TO THE PEOPLE READING THIS THAT THE OPERATORS OF THIS SITE DON'T CARE ABOUT ACCURACY.
Oh, sorry, I meant
You still haven't figured out your smilies, have you?
Well, you're the one sticking Unicode characters in a largely ISO-8859-1 site.
You still haven't figured out your smilies, have you?
I'm sorry, what does this have to do with anything? I was making a joke.
Ha ha, chuckle chuckle. Okay, we are on the same page now.
It still doesn't change the fact at how poorly the original post was written. Unresearched, full of stereotypes, riddled with errors.
Exactly, it's a cultural thing, Experiments on live human subjects that involved amputations and various fom of physical torture, the harakere, by far the more ruthless in WWII as torturers, slave porn trade atrocities to make the hair raise on anyone...I am not making a value judgment on this, it's just my frank impression. And of course there all sorts of small points divorce laws, reality shows, hentai, their criminals, foot binding, the geisha culture etc.
Be a man, be a human bing and make a value judgement, stand for something.
"Even though he lived on a vegan diet, Jobs often made exceptions for Japanese fare like sushi and soba noodles."
Soba noodles are an exception to a vegan diet?
Where I come from we eat our sushi cooked, medium rare. Made out of a cow.
I thought that was a Chinese practice.
Ah, that might do it.
I thought it was a ballet practice.
And they consider that 'art'.
I'm just glad they didn't copy Japanese quality control, or lack there of. every Sony product, and Japanese car I've owned have all broken down many times. Most recently I was talked into a new 2011 Nissan. That thing broken down twice in the first week I had it. A door, a mirror, and a wheel all fell off of it, so at the 6 week mark I was sick of it and bought a VW for $8K less! Like my VW and pervious VWs I've owned, I have yet to have an issue with an Apple product.
This post is so deplorably researched that it's positively embarrassing.
Half of it is plagiarism since it's copy-paste from Walters' biography. What I find strange is that the site is a blog, not editorial journalism. A bit like RD, but there at least DED sometimes answers to people who post. I've never seen a reply from the authors, in this case Mikey. Only from moderators. However, they supply a lot of background info, that I always enjoy reading.
And by filtering out the ads (Safari reader etcetera) I experience it as a truly free information source. So thanks AI, I for one enjoy your work.
Exactly, it's a cultural thing, Experiments on live human subjects that involved amputations and various fom of physical torture, the harakere, by far the more ruthless in WWII as torturers, slave porn trade atrocities to make the hair raise on anyone...I am not making a value judgment on this, it's just my frank impression. And of course there all sorts of small points divorce laws, reality shows, hentai, their criminals, foot binding, the geisha culture etc.
As if you are ignorant of the atrocity in Europe during WWII. Heck, you want to know about tortures read about the type of toys that was built during the inquisition. I can nit pick things about the US and come up with the same impression.
Your sweeping accusations that "it's a cultural thing" for Japanese to experiment on human subjects, slave porn, etc, just show how terribly ignorant you really are. Foot binding isn't even Japanese, another evidence to your ignorance. And those above you listed are vices that all kind of human, not exclusive to Japanese, are capable of.
In some way, i pity you.
Btw, hara kiri (not harakere) is not a form of torture.
As if you are ignorant of the atrocity in Europe during WWII. Heck, you want to know about tortures read about the type of toys that was built during the inquisition. I can nit pick things about the US and come up with the same impression.
Your sweeping accusations that "it's a cultural thing" for Japanese to experiment on human subjects, slave porn, etc, just show how terribly ignorant you really are. Foot binding isn't even Japanese, another evidence to your ignorance. And those above you listed are vices that all kind of human, not exclusive to Japanese, are capable of.
In some way, i pity you.
Btw, hara kiri (not harakere) is not a form of torture.
Again, as I said earlier, ALL countries are guilty of this shit. Nobody has a copyright on brutality.
Let's try to not focus on the 'wrongs of the human species' and focus on the initial article subject of Steve Job's love of certain aspects of Japanese culture.
Or should we just cut to the chase and start arguing about religion right now?
As if you are ignorant of the atrocity in Europe during WWII. Heck, you want to know about tortures read about the type of toys that was built during the inquisition. I can nit pick things about the US and come up with the same impression.
Your sweeping accusations that "it's a cultural thing" for Japanese to experiment on human subjects, slave porn, etc, just show how terribly ignorant you really are. Foot binding isn't even Japanese, another evidence to your ignorance. And those above you listed are vices that all kind of human, not exclusive to Japanese, are capable of.
In some way, i pity you.
Btw, hara kiri (not harakere) is not a form of torture.
I understand where you are coming from.
Japanese learn in school that the underaged Korean girls enslaved from their 35-year colonial rule in Korea were willingly providing "comfort" services for the Japanese imperial army and well-compensated.
Japanese learn in school that the underaged Korean girls enslaved from their 35-year colonial rule in Korea were willingly providing "comfort" services for the Japanese imperial army and well-compensated.
Source, please.
Japanese are taught very little about the war or Japanese Imperialism to begin with.
Anyone who still talks about Japanese atrocities in World War II and opine that it reflects on modern-day Japanese society is ignorant. Modern Japan is more akin to a Quaker society.
You won't see the Japanese flag flying over Japanese public schools because the liberal teacher's union forbids it as an ongoing rejection of Japanese nationalism of 70 years ago. (This may have changed as I left eleven years ago after living in Tokyo for seven years.)
In those seven years, I was never once threatened or felt any danger to my personhood at any time, day or night, and walked everywhere, including Kabukicho. I'm not without fear walking down Market Street in San Francisco.
As if you are ignorant of the atrocity in Europe during WWII. Heck, you want to know about tortures read about the type of toys that was built during the inquisition. I can nit pick things about the US and come up with the same impression.
Your sweeping accusations that "it's a cultural thing" for Japanese to experiment on human subjects, slave porn, etc, just show how terribly ignorant you really are. Foot binding isn't even Japanese, another evidence to your ignorance. And those above you listed are vices that all kind of human, not exclusive to Japanese, are capable of.
In some way, i pity you.
Btw, hara kiri (not harakere) is not a form of torture.
i see I elicited a strong emotional reaction from you, I wonder why?
The truth hurts...
I find Japan fascinating and hope to visit it one day. I stumbled across this video that is a little slice of Tokyo at night in the 80's - very interesting.
http://youtu.be/MgDzmTj5tSM
Sushi is to Apple as pizza is to Android. See if anyone gets this ...
Oh really? Apple sells pizza in their cafeteria and it constantly has the longest lines. So long that Apple has added a second pizza oven outside. Even with the second oven, it still has the longest lines.
There's rarely a line for the sushi. In fact, the hamburger line and the burrito line attract way more people than the sushi.
That or Sushi is an acquired taste and Pizza is for everyone and their mother.
Sushi is to Apple as pizza is to Android. See if anyone gets this ...
First of all, Shinto is the official Japanese state religion, not Zen Buddhism which is mostly a Western affectation of, get this, white people.
More proof that journalism is utterly dead.
Zen Buddhism has been around a long time in Japan, and has greatly influenced Japanese society, particularly art and design. Those rock and sand gardens in Kyoto (Japan's ancient capital) are Zen gardens, not Shinto gardens. The tradition of Zen calligraphy is very strong in japan, and the development of the Tea ceremony was greatly influenced by Zen Buddhism. These Zen arts had a great influence on the developoment of the Japanese design aesthetic. Of course, the samurai adopted Zen philosophy in the 13th century to release them from fear and instill a code of ethics.
What Americans do with the idea of Zen Buddhism doesn't take away from its importance in Japanese history.
Zen Buddhism has been around a long time in Japan, and has greatly influenced Japanese society, particularly art and design. Those rock and sand gardens in Kyoto (Japan's ancient capital) are Zen gardens, not Shinto gardens. The tradition of Zen calligraphy is very strong in japan, and the development of the Tea ceremony was greatly influenced by Zen Buddhism. These Zen arts had a great influence on the developoment of the Japanese design aesthetic. Of course, the samurai adopted Zen philosophy in the 13th century to release them from fear and instill a code of ethics.
What Americans do with the idea of Zen Buddhism doesn't take away from its importance in Japanese history.
Good one, thanks.
Seems to me that Steve did a lot of good with what he got from Zen. From Jony Ive too, no doubt.
Oops, I mean Sir Jony.