If Apple ends up on the losing end of this, maybe they could just rename it the iPodTouch HD?
(...despite the fact that it doesn't really have an HD display... yet)
It's not like the iPad isn't essentially a larger version of the iPod Touch anyway, running the same mobile OS as well as being functionally identical (much as their Android counterparts are just larger-screened Android devices), therefore using the name iPod Touch HD would not be unthinkable, and certainly not insulting in any way.
In the past, Apple chose to call their upper-line laptop the MacBook Pro, and their ultra-portable the MacBook Air, instead of coming up with completely different names because they were merely variations upon the already existing [MacBook] theme, just as the iPad's really just a variation upon the iPod Touch theme.
Or, of course, Apple could just pay the possible fines etc. and continue business as usual.
"iPad 3" is ALREADY NEW trademark name which noone registered yet in China.
I believe they are going after the iPad name and it doesnt matter whatever numeral come after iPad.
I am no expert i believe Apple can still ship iPads from China without the iPad word appearing on the device. The iPad word can later be engraved on the device, it may cost more but it can't be help if the court decided to side Proview.
If China decided to side with this company to prove that they uphold copyrights it would be a very stupid move and may start the exodus of manufacturers to other countries resulting in massive employment in China (it takes time but) and I don't believe they would allow this to happen.
Btw Apple need not grease anyone and it is not the right thing to do anyway.
I find this to be basically a racist remark that goes much too far.
Everyone knows China is a corrupt country, but it's only a tad more so than the USA. Judging by your "Old Bailey" remark I'd say you were actually from England which is hardly a place from which one should be talking about the corruption of other countries either.
Racist??? Anyway, do the same in a US city and you're likely to find either a hooker or get robbed as well.
Anyway, in the grand scheme it would probably be a good thing if China allowed the sales & exportation to be blocked - it might actually get some companies to move manufacturing away from a communist dictatorship again.
You certainly know how to set the tone for discussion! \
Apple apparently thought that name was secured under the agreement that it came to with the Proview subsidiary. It would be simply amazing if due diligence did not reveal the veracity of this thinking. Something doesn't add up.
It would be less amazing if this is a case of Apple not knowing which Chinese official to bribe or making the mistake of thinking they didn't have to bribe someone.
This is one example of why doing business in developed countries has advantages. Apple needs to speed up the geopolitical diversification of its supply chain.
Btw Apple need not grease anyone and it is not the right thing to do anyway.
Btw, greasing someone is not just not the right thing to do. It's illegal under US law even if it is customary in other countries, so unless the execs would like to explore getting arrested, they'd be better off not doing so anyway - and I'm sure they're very aware of that.
It's a fairly large competitive disadvantage, though I suspect some companies set up subsidiaries that can then go ahead and do the dirty work anyway... Though that's a guess. Whether China, Central / South America, parts of Europe, Africa, India, the Mideast, you'd better believe there are a lot of officials & execs who like to get kickbacks for their 'efforts'.
Just in case it wasn't noticed a few weeks ago, ProView already won an initial judgement in their favor regarding Apple and the iPad trademark. This is simply taking that judgement and now asking for an export ban.
Apple is being bamboozled by Chinese Justice just as it is being 'bamgoogled' by Redmond malpractice. As you are a long time crypto apologist for the latter, I would certainly have expected subtle schadenfreude for the former.*
Kudos for your studiously delivered *consistency, but none ...may I posit... for your self-leniency.
I believe they are going after the iPad name and it doesnt matter whatever numeral come after iPad.
I am no expert i believe Apple can still ship iPads from China without the iPad word appearing on the device. The iPad word can later be engraved on the device, it may cost more but it can't be help if the court decided to side Proview.
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Don't forget any references of the iPad name in the OS or firmware...or business and legal documents, etc.
We will stop buying American debt and destroy your economy. Don't forget that we have you by the short curlies.
Sincerely.
China
The Chinese only own a miniscule portion of our debt - in the single digits.
On the other hand, does China really want to tell leading businesses around the world that their manufacturing lines are so vulnerable that a baseless IP suit can hold their entire product lines hostage? Some companies are already looking to take manufacturing out of China, due to cost, environmental and IP concerns. If China blocks the export of iPads made in China, the backlash by both consumers and international companies would be *enormous*.
Racist??? Anyway, do the same in a US city and you're likely to find either a hooker or get robbed as well.
Anyway, in the grand scheme it would probably be a good thing if China allowed the sales & exportation to be blocked - it might actually get some companies to move manufacturing away from a communist dictatorship again.
If people cannot come up with a solid basis for an argument the "racist" comment is so often played. When I hear someone claim racism I almost always end the conversation and walk away.
After decades of not recognizing Copyrights of motion pictures, music and other electronic devices why start now?
Really, I say let them play this out as far as they like.
Then Apple spins it, wins it, and gets damages from these morons.
THEN, since the Chinese government shown they're SO INTERESTED in protecting trademarks and copyrights, Apple sues every single Chinese knock-off maker of every model of iPod, iPhone, and iPad for tens of billions in damages.
Apple wants to be a patent bully at times....so they need a taste of their own medicine. Chinese courts (not including Hong Kong) already sided with this other company once......they can do it again.
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(...despite the fact that it doesn't really have an HD display... yet)
It's not like the iPad isn't essentially a larger version of the iPod Touch anyway, running the same mobile OS as well as being functionally identical (much as their Android counterparts are just larger-screened Android devices), therefore using the name iPod Touch HD would not be unthinkable, and certainly not insulting in any way.
In the past, Apple chose to call their upper-line laptop the MacBook Pro, and their ultra-portable the MacBook Air, instead of coming up with completely different names because they were merely variations upon the already existing [MacBook] theme, just as the iPad's really just a variation upon the iPod Touch theme.
Or, of course, Apple could just pay the possible fines etc. and continue business as usual.
"iPad 3" is ALREADY NEW trademark name which noone registered yet in China.
I believe they are going after the iPad name and it doesnt matter whatever numeral come after iPad.
I am no expert i believe Apple can still ship iPads from China without the iPad word appearing on the device. The iPad word can later be engraved on the device, it may cost more but it can't be help if the court decided to side Proview.
If China decided to side with this company to prove that they uphold copyrights it would be a very stupid move and may start the exodus of manufacturers to other countries resulting in massive employment in China (it takes time but) and I don't believe they would allow this to happen.
Btw Apple need not grease anyone and it is not the right thing to do anyway.
But I really love the Proview spokesman's statement that Proview is refusing to honor their agreement.
That's a spoke(wo)man from Apple.
I find this to be basically a racist remark that goes much too far.
Everyone knows China is a corrupt country, but it's only a tad more so than the USA. Judging by your "Old Bailey" remark I'd say you were actually from England which is hardly a place from which one should be talking about the corruption of other countries either.
Racist??? Anyway, do the same in a US city and you're likely to find either a hooker or get robbed as well.
Anyway, in the grand scheme it would probably be a good thing if China allowed the sales & exportation to be blocked - it might actually get some companies to move manufacturing away from a communist dictatorship again.
Dear Apple,
We will stop buying American debt and destroy your economy. Don't forget that we have you by the short curlies.
Sincerely.
China
Nonsense. China owns no more than 8-9 percent of American debt.
You certainly know how to set the tone for discussion!
Apple apparently thought that name was secured under the agreement that it came to with the Proview subsidiary. It would be simply amazing if due diligence did not reveal the veracity of this thinking. Something doesn't add up.
It would be less amazing if this is a case of Apple not knowing which Chinese official to bribe or making the mistake of thinking they didn't have to bribe someone.
This is one example of why doing business in developed countries has advantages. Apple needs to speed up the geopolitical diversification of its supply chain.
This is China we're talking about. This country is corrupted and Proview can buy some influential officials/judges/ministers as much as they like.
Buying the influence of influential officilas, judges, politicians, etc. in China?!?
At least that can't happen here in the U.S.
<snip>.
Btw Apple need not grease anyone and it is not the right thing to do anyway.
Btw, greasing someone is not just not the right thing to do. It's illegal under US law even if it is customary in other countries, so unless the execs would like to explore getting arrested, they'd be better off not doing so anyway - and I'm sure they're very aware of that.
It's a fairly large competitive disadvantage, though I suspect some companies set up subsidiaries that can then go ahead and do the dirty work anyway... Though that's a guess. Whether China, Central / South America, parts of Europe, Africa, India, the Mideast, you'd better believe there are a lot of officials & execs who like to get kickbacks for their 'efforts'.
Just in case it wasn't noticed a few weeks ago, ProView already won an initial judgement in their favor regarding Apple and the iPad trademark. This is simply taking that judgement and now asking for an export ban.
Apple is being bamboozled by Chinese Justice just as it is being 'bamgoogled' by Redmond malpractice. As you are a long time crypto apologist for the latter, I would certainly have expected subtle schadenfreude for the former.*
Kudos for your studiously delivered *consistency, but none ...may I posit... for your self-leniency.
we will by ProVue and then countersue for trademark infringement in the US...
http://www.provue.com/
Who has had that name since the 80's....
Gotta love it... where is the Jello....
I believe they are going after the iPad name and it doesnt matter whatever numeral come after iPad.
I am no expert i believe Apple can still ship iPads from China without the iPad word appearing on the device. The iPad word can later be engraved on the device, it may cost more but it can't be help if the court decided to side Proview.
.
Don't forget any references of the iPad name in the OS or firmware...or business and legal documents, etc.
If Apple ends up on the losing end of this, maybe they could just rename it the iPodTouch HD?
It's not like the iPad isn't essentially a larger version of the iPod Touch anyway, ....
It's not like a swimming pool isn't essentially a larger version of a bath tub anyway, ...
Dear Apple,
We will stop buying American debt and destroy your economy. Don't forget that we have you by the short curlies.
Sincerely.
China
The Chinese only own a miniscule portion of our debt - in the single digits.
On the other hand, does China really want to tell leading businesses around the world that their manufacturing lines are so vulnerable that a baseless IP suit can hold their entire product lines hostage? Some companies are already looking to take manufacturing out of China, due to cost, environmental and IP concerns. If China blocks the export of iPads made in China, the backlash by both consumers and international companies would be *enormous*.
Racist??? Anyway, do the same in a US city and you're likely to find either a hooker or get robbed as well.
Anyway, in the grand scheme it would probably be a good thing if China allowed the sales & exportation to be blocked - it might actually get some companies to move manufacturing away from a communist dictatorship again.
If people cannot come up with a solid basis for an argument the "racist" comment is so often played. When I hear someone claim racism I almost always end the conversation and walk away.
After decades of not recognizing Copyrights of motion pictures, music and other electronic devices why start now?
Dear China,
After decades of not recognizing Copyrights of motion pictures, music and other electronic devices why start now?
Really, I say let them play this out as far as they like.
Then Apple spins it, wins it, and gets damages from these morons.
THEN, since the Chinese government shown they're SO INTERESTED in protecting trademarks and copyrights, Apple sues every single Chinese knock-off maker of every model of iPod, iPhone, and iPad for tens of billions in damages.
It's not like a swimming pool isn't essentially a larger version of a bath tub anyway, ...
Except, most of us don't whizz in the bathtub...
The country that have tons of clone/knock off/KIRF products CARES about trademarks? gimme a break!
There must be a big company pushing PROVISION actions, probably google.
The revenge of Psystar