Right, I'm an idiot and forgot* about the change in antenna. I deserve a tongue lashing for that one, that's for sure. YEAH, THAT'S A SURPRISE. OL' TALLEST SKIL FORGETTING SOMETHING. NOT LIKE HE HAS ANY FUNCTIONAL MEMORY OF ANY SORT. CAN'T RELY ON HIM. Hate myself?
. . . claims that TS was making, which is the only thing I'm posting about (for the moment).
While I think that for an debate ?*especially on this site ? he should have qualified his statement it's obvious to me he meant the GSM/UMTS iPhone 4 as the CDMA iPhone is obviously fundamentally different simply by virtue of the fact it connects to an entirely different type of network.
On top of that, you didn't link to the Verizon iPhone you linked to an article that predates its announcement by 6 months that was so speculative that they put a question mark in the title.
I don't think they arrived at a final conclusion. Some of the comments indicated a suspected change, while others did not. Altogether inconclusive as far as I can tell.
In any case I was letting TS know that iFixIt had commented, and wasn't ruling out a change was made. If that was his proof that nothing had changed, it's not.
Understood. I'm not sure what iFixit concluded, but I measured a number of later-manufacture iPhone 4s, and none had an insulating layer on the antenna bands.
BS. In my family, we have two Nexus phones (different models). One belongs to my step brother, the other my step father. I am using the iPhone 4 (one shipped within the first two weeks of production). Both the Google phones experience the same issue if held a certain way. I have an old Motorola phone where the instruction book even tells you if you hold the phone a certain way it will experience signal loss. The only difference with the iPhone is it was easier to find the exact area to touch. Some might say that is a design feature because on the iPhone it isn't a mystery about the area you should avoid touching.
The iPhone 4S might have a different design, but that doesn't mean the original was defective. The iPhone 4S was redesigned to accommodate adding CDMA support.
Most importantly, Apple extended the time people could return the phone for a full refund if unhappy. Interestingly enough not many people elected that option.
Understood. I'm not sure what iFixit concluded, but I measured a number of later-manufacture iPhone 4s, and none had an insulating layer on the antenna bands.
Interesting. . .
Any guess from you on why at least some number of early iPhone 4 models had demonstrable issues, while later ones seem to largely avoid the complaints from their users?
Any guess from you on why at least some number of early iPhone 4 models had demonstrable issues, while later ones seem to largely avoid the complaints from their users?
Any guess from you on why at least some number of early iPhone 4 models had demonstrable issues, while later ones seem to largely avoid the complaints from their users?
I would love to know the answer to that. My suspicion, which will likely be unpopular, is that it was media-driven.
A big deal was made of it, and so lots of people were busy trying to reproduce it on their shiny new iPhones. And sure enough, just like most phones, if you change the antenna impedance by "holding it wrong", you can change the signal strength. As time passed and the phones actually worked fine, people lost interest and stopped trying to make it happen, and as it was almost never a significant cause of dropped calls, the whole thing got forgotten. The signal strength display algorithm was changed, and that may also have helped to avoid mistaking the cause of dropped calls as due to this, when in fact it may just have been poor signal strength to begin with.
I can still cause a signal strength drop on my Verizon IP4 by bridging the bands - it's just not an issue in real use.
So I would suggest that most phones have similar demonstrable issues, but most are ignored, as the iPhone 4's also now is.
Do you have any articles or just easily manipulatable youtube videos?
Plenty of articles of Steve Jobs on stage completely decimating all the pathetic shortsighted lies RiM and Samsung spewed to try to get a leg up over the dominate iPhone. There are also plenty of independent tests that show that other phones single will weaken if you block the signal with your hand, including the link GatorGuy posted to AnandTech. And then there the physics of this universe regarding blocking a radio wave with a dense material. But you can ignore all that and take unsubstantiated comments from CEOs that should have just kept their mouth shut but instead were shown to be liars and fools. So far you haven't said enough to be shown to be anymore than the latter.
Plenty of articles of Steve Jobs on stage completely decimating all the pathetic shortsighted lies RiM and Samsung spewed to try to get a leg up over the dominate iPhone. There are also plenty of independent tests that show that other phones single will weaken if you block the signal with your hand, including the link GatorGuy posted to AnandTech. And then there the physics of this universe regarding blocking a radio wave with a dense material. But you can ignore all that and take unsubstantiated comments from CEOs that should have just kept their mouth shut but instead were shown to be liars and fools. So far you haven't said enough to be shown to be anymore than the latter.
From my day of testing, I've determined that the iPhone 4 performs much better than the 3GS in situations where signal is very low, at -113 dBm (1 bar). Previously, dropping this low all but guaranteed that calls would drop, fail to be placed, and data would no longer be transacted at all. I can honestly say that I've never held onto so many calls and data simultaneously on 1 bar at -113 dBm as I have with the iPhone 4, so it's readily apparent that the new baseband hardware is much more sensitive compared to what was in the 3GS. The difference is that reception is massively better on the iPhone 4 in actual use.
It's been almost 2 years. I'd say own up to your errors jumped on a bandwagon because Apple did something so radical from the status quo that it must be bad just find out that it wasn't only better but that no one else has even come close to challenging them in the very, very short time they've been selling phones. But I can't imagine you would be seeing as how you are so investing in hating Apple you couldn't bare to admit that you are wrong.
How widespread were the WiFi issues in the GSM/UMTS iPhone 4?
WiFi issues? I didn't know about any so I have no idea. Can you supply a link to it and tell me what the point is, or what I should be looking for and why?
WiFi issues? I didn't know about any so I have no idea. Can you supply a link to it and tell me what the point is, or what I should be looking for and why?
I don't know about any issues either, but I assume they must be rampant because the WiFi antenna was moved from being external to internal between the GSM iPhone 4 release, and the CMDA iPhone 4 and iPhone 4S releases.
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In addition, the 4S locates the WiFi antenna in the same place as the CDMA iPhone 4. If you missed it back then, and have read the previous cellular connectivity section, you’re probably wondering where the WiFi and Bluetooth antennas went, given the absence of a stainless steel band for them. The answer is inside, printed on a flex board, like virtually everyone else does for their cellular antennas
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Maybe the fact that it was proven that was never a design fault in the first place would put a stop to people like you complaining about it.
Of course, you would never be able to do this unless it was an issue regarding another brand.
See how easy it is to do that?
(make broad accusations of bias based on nothing factual)
It was proven to be a design fault and if you cannot do a simple google search then I can see why you make such comments.
Right, I'm an idiot and forgot* about the change in antenna. I deserve a tongue lashing for that one, that's for sure.
That is your first statement I agree with!
. . . claims that TS was making, which is the only thing I'm posting about (for the moment
While I think that for an debate ?*especially on this site ? he should have qualified his statement it's obvious to me he meant the GSM/UMTS iPhone 4 as the CDMA iPhone is obviously fundamentally different simply by virtue of the fact it connects to an entirely different type of network.
On top of that, you didn't link to the Verizon iPhone you linked to an article that predates its announcement by 6 months that was so speculative that they put a question mark in the title.
I don't think they arrived at a final conclusion. Some of the comments indicated a suspected change, while others did not. Altogether inconclusive as far as I can tell.
In any case I was letting TS know that iFixIt had commented, and wasn't ruling out a change was made. If that was his proof that nothing had changed, it's not.
Understood. I'm not sure what iFixit concluded, but I measured a number of later-manufacture iPhone 4s, and none had an insulating layer on the antenna bands.
BS. In my family, we have two Nexus phones (different models). One belongs to my step brother, the other my step father. I am using the iPhone 4 (one shipped within the first two weeks of production). Both the Google phones experience the same issue if held a certain way. I have an old Motorola phone where the instruction book even tells you if you hold the phone a certain way it will experience signal loss. The only difference with the iPhone is it was easier to find the exact area to touch. Some might say that is a design feature because on the iPhone it isn't a mystery about the area you should avoid touching.
The iPhone 4S might have a different design, but that doesn't mean the original was defective. The iPhone 4S was redesigned to accommodate adding CDMA support.
Most importantly, Apple extended the time people could return the phone for a full refund if unhappy. Interestingly enough not many people elected that option.
This song pretty much sums it all up for me.
Understood. I'm not sure what iFixit concluded, but I measured a number of later-manufacture iPhone 4s, and none had an insulating layer on the antenna bands.
Interesting. . .
Any guess from you on why at least some number of early iPhone 4 models had demonstrable issues, while later ones seem to largely avoid the complaints from their users?
Interesting. . .
Any guess from you on why at least some number of early iPhone 4 models had demonstrable issues, while later ones seem to largely avoid the complaints from their users?
got a link for that?
Interesting. . .
Any guess from you on why at least some number of early iPhone 4 models had demonstrable issues, while later ones seem to largely avoid the complaints from their users?
I would love to know the answer to that. My suspicion, which will likely be unpopular, is that it was media-driven.
A big deal was made of it, and so lots of people were busy trying to reproduce it on their shiny new iPhones. And sure enough, just like most phones, if you change the antenna impedance by "holding it wrong", you can change the signal strength. As time passed and the phones actually worked fine, people lost interest and stopped trying to make it happen, and as it was almost never a significant cause of dropped calls, the whole thing got forgotten. The signal strength display algorithm was changed, and that may also have helped to avoid mistaking the cause of dropped calls as due to this, when in fact it may just have been poor signal strength to begin with.
I can still cause a signal strength drop on my Verizon IP4 by bridging the bands - it's just not an issue in real use.
So I would suggest that most phones have similar demonstrable issues, but most are ignored, as the iPhone 4's also now is.
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-st...e-2029995.html
Samsung and RIM deny signal problems, says iPhone only issue
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-st...e-2029995.html
Do you have any articles or just easily manipulatable youtube videos?
I would love to know the answer to that. My suspicion, which will likely be unpopular, is that it was media-driven.
Thanks for the opinion Muppetry. Can't say it couldn't be correct.
Do you have any articles or just easily manipulatable youtube videos?
Plenty of articles of Steve Jobs on stage completely decimating all the pathetic shortsighted lies RiM and Samsung spewed to try to get a leg up over the dominate iPhone. There are also plenty of independent tests that show that other phones single will weaken if you block the signal with your hand, including the link GatorGuy posted to AnandTech. And then there the physics of this universe regarding blocking a radio wave with a dense material. But you can ignore all that and take unsubstantiated comments from CEOs that should have just kept their mouth shut but instead were shown to be liars and fools. So far you haven't said enough to be shown to be anymore than the latter.
Samsung and RIM deny signal problems, says iPhone only issue
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-st...e-2029995.html
I can't stand blackberries but have had several as company issued phones and they all had excellent reception. Only thing good about them really.
Plenty of articles of Steve Jobs on stage completely decimating all the pathetic shortsighted lies RiM and Samsung spewed to try to get a leg up over the dominate iPhone. There are also plenty of independent tests that show that other phones single will weaken if you block the signal with your hand, including the link GatorGuy posted to AnandTech. And then there the physics of this universe regarding blocking a radio wave with a dense material. But you can ignore all that and take unsubstantiated comments from CEOs that should have just kept their mouth shut but instead were shown to be liars and fools. So far you haven't said enough to be shown to be anymore than the latter.
None of them dropped calls like the iPhone 4.
None of them dropped calls like the iPhone 4.
None of them held calls like the iPhone 4.
The Antenna is Improved
From my day of testing, I've determined that the iPhone 4 performs much better than the 3GS in situations where signal is very low, at -113 dBm (1 bar). Previously, dropping this low all but guaranteed that calls would drop, fail to be placed, and data would no longer be transacted at all. I can honestly say that I've never held onto so many calls and data simultaneously on 1 bar at -113 dBm as I have with the iPhone 4, so it's readily apparent that the new baseband hardware is much more sensitive compared to what was in the 3GS. The difference is that reception is massively better on the iPhone 4 in actual use.
It's been almost 2 years. I'd say own up to your errors jumped on a bandwagon because Apple did something so radical from the status quo that it must be bad just find out that it wasn't only better but that no one else has even come close to challenging them in the very, very short time they've been selling phones. But I can't imagine you would be seeing as how you are so investing in hating Apple you couldn't bare to admit that you are wrong.
How widespread were the WiFi issues in the GSM/UMTS iPhone 4?
@ Gatorguy,
How widespread were the WiFi issues in the GSM/UMTS iPhone 4?
WiFi issues? I didn't know about any so I have no idea. Can you supply a link to it and tell me what the point is, or what I should be looking for and why?
WiFi issues? I didn't know about any so I have no idea. Can you supply a link to it and tell me what the point is, or what I should be looking for and why?
I don't know about any issues either, but I assume they must be rampant because the WiFi antenna was moved from being external to internal between the GSM iPhone 4 release, and the CMDA iPhone 4 and iPhone 4S releases.
In addition, the 4S locates the WiFi antenna in the same place as the CDMA iPhone 4. If you missed it back then, and have read the previous cellular connectivity section, you’re probably wondering where the WiFi and Bluetooth antennas went, given the absence of a stainless steel band for them. The answer is inside, printed on a flex board, like virtually everyone else does for their cellular antennas
(See what I did there?)