No cloud syncing for der Germans ... physically plug your iDevices in to your PC/Mac for the same effect.
As I understand it, it's not cloud syncing that is being banned but merely the use of push to do so. Change the settings to fetch and you are back in business.
As for the case, it is far from fully decided. There will be appeals etc and in the end the courts could find for Apple
As I understand it, it's not cloud syncing that is being banned but merely the use of push to do so. Change the settings to fetch and you are back in business.
As for the case, it is far from fully decided. There will be appeals etc and in the end the courts could find for Apple
And that's certainly a possibility. Just like the injunction(s) that Apple has won, the patents themselves haven't been vetted yet. Are they even valid? Who knows. The German courts are less concerned with patent validity, at least in these injunction proceedings. That's why guys like Apple, Samsung, Moto, etc go to Germany to start stuff.
Apple should have learned from Microsoft that licensing is the way to go. Nobody but the lawyers win in these situations.
We lack all the facts in the case. It is possible that Apple isn't actually using the same methods to achieve the goal and thus in appeal Motorola's case will be overturned. Or Apple could claim prior art or even simply have it invalidated on the grounds that Motorola's patent has no tech and thus Apple created something new by adding such a necessary feature as actual tech to fuel the mere idea.
This stuff is getting so old. Everyone borrows, it is evident. Slide to unlock, yep Android "borrowed" it but what about iOS 5 "borrowing" Androids notification drop down? Who cares? These are all great features. Apple is not selling phones based on these small nuances, they sell because they have the best eco system on the planet. Android is not selling well because of these nuances, they sell because they are relatively inexpensive and highly customizable. Why can the consumer not win for a change?
Quick, somebody post a YouTube video of Hitler ranting about iCloud being turned off using that scene from The Downfall. (which is a terrific film if you've never seen it)
Quick, somebody post a YouTube video of Hitler ranting about iCloud being turned off using that scene from The Downfall. (which is a terrific film if you've never seen it)
This stuff is getting so old. Everyone borrows, it is evident. Slide to unlock, yep Android "borrowed" it but what about iOS 5 "borrowing" Androids notification drop down? Who cares? These are all great features. Apple is not selling phones based on these small nuances, they sell because they have the best eco system on the planet. Android is not selling well because of these nuances, they sell because they are relatively inexpensive and highly customizable. Why can the consumer not win for a change?
Well, this is EXACTLY the same as Apple getting devices banned that use slide to unlock even though the new 4.0 devices actually use drag to unlock which operates quite different from slide to unlock.
Hopfully if Apple loses a few and wins a few, this will all get settled and all companies will have to go back to innovating rather than litigating to keep/grow market share....
Would the unimaginative please stop bringing up how the Neonode was not exactly the same as the iPhone. Neonode's slide-to-unlock achieves the exact same effect as iPhone's with exactly the same gesture, on-screen animation notwithstanding. If Apple's implementation would not work without the guiding image addition (like, if you couldn't unlock an iPhone without looking at it), then I'd accept that the addition is essential.
And why would you call the Neonode a POS? I'd say it was a pioneering device that, for the first time, combined a touchscreen phone, a music player, an Internet communication device, a camera, and a PIM. Mind you, this was several years before the iPhone, when technology simply did not allow for many of the features that we saw later.
If push is unavailable, does calendar & address book auto syncing not work?
Offhand, I don't think so. AFAIK, everything iCloud will still sync via fetch vs. push. You'd just have to make sure that your respective devices are set up to automatically sync otherwise your device will only be current after a manual sync. I'm not an IP expert or knowledgeable about the Moto patents but it makes me wonder if a workaround is to simply have the iCloud server "fetch" or scan for any changes on a Mac or wifi iPad/touch. Then, the auto sync on a cellular device (iPhone/iPad 3G) catches the changes and downloaded the updates.
Offhand, however, for anyone who was using the automatic email/exchange checks before iCloud and knows how to adjust the settings, functionally speaking, this may be a distinction without a difference. Yes, your updates will come "only" every 15 minutes but all the data and features are basically the same, even more so when you consider that many high bandwidth iCloud services only function via wifi (e.g., iOS backup).
Android manufacturers can make slide to unlock based on the neonode provided they don't use an unlock image.
The end.
Well there you have it. The educated Dutch judge is incorrect. The experienced patent blogger Florian Mueller is incorrect. No further consideration is needed and patent reexamination by US or EU patent authorities would be of no value.
Well there you have it. The educated Dutch judge is incorrect. The experienced patent blogger Florian Mueller is incorrect. No further consideration is needed and patent reexamination by US or EU patent authorities would be of no value.
Whether the Netherlands Judge's opinion is correct or incorrect is a matter of appeal.
He gave an OPINION as to whether a patent may be found to be invalid, he made no decision as to whether that patent actually IS invalid.
Whether the Netherlands Judge's opinion is correct or incorrect is a matter of appeal.
He gave an OPINION as to whether a patent may be found to be invalid, he made no decision as to whether that patent actually IS invalid.
The End.
Neither did Florian Mueller say the patent was invalid, but in his opinion it should be.
"The slide-to-unlock patent appears to be coming out on the losing end. . .
and for good reasons in my opinion."
Yet you made your statement as tho it was fact and not opinion.
It's not really that big a deal. I just think we should all be more careful about stating opinions so vehemently that they are taken as fact by some of the infrequent visitors. It happens fairly often that some poster will claim something to be true, yet when challenged has no evidence that it's true at all. Yet that claim might be repeated somewhere else based on the original mention implying it's factual.
Wouldn't it be awesome to have a phone that had all the best features of both major mobile phone OSes?
Possibly could have happened if Google had decided to collaborate instead of compete. Would have been an awesome combination.
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Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton
Quick, somebody post a YouTube video of Hitler ranting about iCloud being turned off using that scene from The Downfall. (which is a terrific film if you've never seen it)
It was a great film.
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Originally Posted by AbsoluteDesignz
I thought that was a scene from Valkyrie
Suddenly Newton is correct. The original German title was 'Der Untergang'.
Neither did Florian Mueller say the patent was invalid, but in his opinion it should be.
"The slide-to-unlock patent appears to be coming out on the losing end. . .
and for good reasons in my opinion."
Yet you made your statement as tho it was fact and not opinion.
It's not really that big a deal. I just think we should all be more careful about stating opinions so vehemently that they are taken as fact by some of the infrequent visitors. It happens fairly often that some poster will claim something to be true, yet when challenged has no evidence that it's true at all. Yet that claim might be repeated somewhere else based on the original mention implying it's factual.
The fact is Apple's patent specifies an unlock image.
The fact is Neonode's method did not use an unlock image.
The fact is Apple's patent specifies an unlock image.
The fact is Neonode's method did not use an unlock image.
The rest is opinion based.
The end.
One of Samsung's other examples of prior art did. What is your opinion of Guitar Rig, who used an open/unlock image and also required the user to move his finger along a predetermined path and pre-dated Apple's version?.
We lack all the facts in the case. It is possible that Apple isn't actually using the same methods to achieve the goal and thus in appeal Motorola's case will be overturned. Or Apple could claim prior art or even simply have it invalidated on the grounds that Motorola's patent has no tech and thus Apple created something new by adding such a necessary feature as actual tech to fuel the mere idea.
And if any of those things happen, the money Motorola had to bond will be tapped and Apple's bank will bulge even more. A high stakes game for the loser, which smacks of being a desperate move.
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No cloud syncing for der Germans ... physically plug your iDevices in to your PC/Mac for the same effect.
As I understand it, it's not cloud syncing that is being banned but merely the use of push to do so. Change the settings to fetch and you are back in business.
As for the case, it is far from fully decided. There will be appeals etc and in the end the courts could find for Apple
As I understand it, it's not cloud syncing that is being banned but merely the use of push to do so. Change the settings to fetch and you are back in business.
As for the case, it is far from fully decided. There will be appeals etc and in the end the courts could find for Apple
And that's certainly a possibility. Just like the injunction(s) that Apple has won, the patents themselves haven't been vetted yet. Are they even valid? Who knows. The German courts are less concerned with patent validity, at least in these injunction proceedings. That's why guys like Apple, Samsung, Moto, etc go to Germany to start stuff.
Apple should have learned from Microsoft that licensing is the way to go. Nobody but the lawyers win in these situations.
We lack all the facts in the case. It is possible that Apple isn't actually using the same methods to achieve the goal and thus in appeal Motorola's case will be overturned. Or Apple could claim prior art or even simply have it invalidated on the grounds that Motorola's patent has no tech and thus Apple created something new by adding such a necessary feature as actual tech to fuel the mere idea.
This stuff is getting so old. Everyone borrows, it is evident. Slide to unlock, yep Android "borrowed" it but what about iOS 5 "borrowing" Androids notification drop down? Who cares? These are all great features. Apple is not selling phones based on these small nuances, they sell because they have the best eco system on the planet. Android is not selling well because of these nuances, they sell because they are relatively inexpensive and highly customizable. Why can the consumer not win for a change?
Well said and I concur.
Meine iCloud ist Kaput!
Sorry that was lame....
Quick, somebody post a YouTube video of Hitler ranting about iCloud being turned off using that scene from The Downfall. (which is a terrific film if you've never seen it)
Quick, somebody post a YouTube video of Hitler ranting about iCloud being turned off using that scene from The Downfall. (which is a terrific film if you've never seen it)
I thought that was a scene from Valkyrie
This stuff is getting so old. Everyone borrows, it is evident. Slide to unlock, yep Android "borrowed" it but what about iOS 5 "borrowing" Androids notification drop down? Who cares? These are all great features. Apple is not selling phones based on these small nuances, they sell because they have the best eco system on the planet. Android is not selling well because of these nuances, they sell because they are relatively inexpensive and highly customizable. Why can the consumer not win for a change?
Apple does not exist for you to win.
Apple exists to make money.
Hopfully if Apple loses a few and wins a few, this will all get settled and all companies will have to go back to innovating rather than litigating to keep/grow market share....
Would the unimaginative please stop bringing up how the Neonode was not exactly the same as the iPhone. Neonode's slide-to-unlock achieves the exact same effect as iPhone's with exactly the same gesture, on-screen animation notwithstanding. If Apple's implementation would not work without the guiding image addition (like, if you couldn't unlock an iPhone without looking at it), then I'd accept that the addition is essential.
And why would you call the Neonode a POS? I'd say it was a pioneering device that, for the first time, combined a touchscreen phone, a music player, an Internet communication device, a camera, and a PIM. Mind you, this was several years before the iPhone, when technology simply did not allow for many of the features that we saw later.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...8Crxf2s#t=130s
Would you read Apple's patent.
It specifically describes using an unlock image.
The Neonode did not have an unlock image.
Android manufacturers can make slide to unlock based on the neonode provided they don't use an unlock image.
The end.
For God's sake.......
If push is unavailable, does calendar & address book auto syncing not work?
Offhand, I don't think so. AFAIK, everything iCloud will still sync via fetch vs. push. You'd just have to make sure that your respective devices are set up to automatically sync otherwise your device will only be current after a manual sync. I'm not an IP expert or knowledgeable about the Moto patents but it makes me wonder if a workaround is to simply have the iCloud server "fetch" or scan for any changes on a Mac or wifi iPad/touch. Then, the auto sync on a cellular device (iPhone/iPad 3G) catches the changes and downloaded the updates.
Offhand, however, for anyone who was using the automatic email/exchange checks before iCloud and knows how to adjust the settings, functionally speaking, this may be a distinction without a difference. Yes, your updates will come "only" every 15 minutes but all the data and features are basically the same, even more so when you consider that many high bandwidth iCloud services only function via wifi (e.g., iOS backup).
Would you read Apple's patent.
It specifically describes using an unlock image.
The Neonode did not have an unlock image.
Android manufacturers can make slide to unlock based on the neonode provided they don't use an unlock image.
The end.
Well there you have it. The educated Dutch judge is incorrect. The experienced patent blogger Florian Mueller is incorrect. No further consideration is needed and patent reexamination by US or EU patent authorities would be of no value.
Well there you have it. The educated Dutch judge is incorrect. The experienced patent blogger Florian Mueller is incorrect. No further consideration is needed and patent reexamination by US or EU patent authorities would be of no value.
Whether the Netherlands Judge's opinion is correct or incorrect is a matter of appeal.
He gave an OPINION as to whether a patent may be found to be invalid, he made no decision as to whether that patent actually IS invalid.
The End.
Whether the Netherlands Judge's opinion is correct or incorrect is a matter of appeal.
He gave an OPINION as to whether a patent may be found to be invalid, he made no decision as to whether that patent actually IS invalid.
The End.
Neither did Florian Mueller say the patent was invalid, but in his opinion it should be.
"The slide-to-unlock patent appears to be coming out on the losing end. . .
and for good reasons in my opinion."
Yet you made your statement as tho it was fact and not opinion.
It's not really that big a deal. I just think we should all be more careful about stating opinions so vehemently that they are taken as fact by some of the infrequent visitors. It happens fairly often that some poster will claim something to be true, yet when challenged has no evidence that it's true at all. Yet that claim might be repeated somewhere else based on the original mention implying it's factual.
Wouldn't it be awesome to have a phone that had all the best features of both major mobile phone OSes?
Possibly could have happened if Google had decided to collaborate instead of compete. Would have been an awesome combination.
Quick, somebody post a YouTube video of Hitler ranting about iCloud being turned off using that scene from The Downfall. (which is a terrific film if you've never seen it)
It was a great film.
I thought that was a scene from Valkyrie
Suddenly Newton is correct. The original German title was 'Der Untergang'.
Neither did Florian Mueller say the patent was invalid, but in his opinion it should be.
"The slide-to-unlock patent appears to be coming out on the losing end. . .
and for good reasons in my opinion."
Yet you made your statement as tho it was fact and not opinion.
It's not really that big a deal. I just think we should all be more careful about stating opinions so vehemently that they are taken as fact by some of the infrequent visitors. It happens fairly often that some poster will claim something to be true, yet when challenged has no evidence that it's true at all. Yet that claim might be repeated somewhere else based on the original mention implying it's factual.
The fact is Apple's patent specifies an unlock image.
The fact is Neonode's method did not use an unlock image.
The rest is opinion based.
The end.
The fact is Apple's patent specifies an unlock image.
The fact is Neonode's method did not use an unlock image.
In my opinion, that is not the deciding factor.
The end.
The fact is Apple's patent specifies an unlock image.
The fact is Neonode's method did not use an unlock image.
The rest is opinion based.
The end.
One of Samsung's other examples of prior art did. What is your opinion of Guitar Rig, who used an open/unlock image and also required the user to move his finger along a predetermined path and pre-dated Apple's version?.
Motorola is absolutely right to go after copycats.
Besides, iCloud absolutely sucks.
Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit, is it?
This has nothing to do with iCloud, it's totally unaffected by this action.
We lack all the facts in the case. It is possible that Apple isn't actually using the same methods to achieve the goal and thus in appeal Motorola's case will be overturned. Or Apple could claim prior art or even simply have it invalidated on the grounds that Motorola's patent has no tech and thus Apple created something new by adding such a necessary feature as actual tech to fuel the mere idea.
And if any of those things happen, the money Motorola had to bond will be tapped and Apple's bank will bulge even more. A high stakes game for the loser, which smacks of being a desperate move.