Going to fully generic naming with the iPad means that if the previous generation continues to be sold as new by Apple, it's going to be confusing for customers and sales staff:
Joe Customer: "Hi, I'd like to get an iPad."
Apple Salesman: "Great, would you like the new iPad or the iPad?"
Joe Customer: "The iPad or the iPad???"
Apple Salesman: "Yeah, well we give you the choice, you can either get the new iPad with A8Z Processor and Intellitouch technology, or you can get the iPad with A7 Processor and HD+ Graphics. So do you want the new iPad or the iPad?"
Joe Customer: "I don't get the difference. It was easier to understand when they had clearer names."
I think you're making it out to be more complex than it is especially with your scenario. Why would they say "The iPad or the iPad???" when they can ask which one they wanted. They can say refer to it as new or the 2012 model or the faster one just as they can refer to it as black or white and WiFI-only or WiFi+4G and 16GB or 32GB or 64GB. These are all ways this device would have to be described in order for a customers to buy the 1 of 18 models even if it was called iPad 3 or iPad HD.
A few people are calling the new name dumb. Well, I'm calling those people dumb and clueless, because the new name is great and it's a very smart move, taking the future into consideration. The name is not the "new iPad", which certain people falsely believe, it's just simply iPad from now on. The new iPad is the iPad (third generation).
Nobody saw it coming. I think that most people were expecting the iPad 3 with some people speculating about an iPad HD while a few other silly and not too bright people speculated about an iPad 2 S.
The iPad will be around for many years to come and each year there will be a new model, just like with cars. Let the Android manufacturers release hundreds of models a year with all sorts of confusing and retarded names, that nobody can keep track of. Apple will simply have the iPad!
It's a brilliant and smart move by Apple!
The iPad is an iconic product, and the name iPad is all that needs to be said.
Amen for that.
You only have to read that article and look at the pictures and see there's a chasm between the start and the 'end.'
Jobs gave Apple one hell of a beating to get it into shape.
That last picture of the entire line up on one tiny picture is an awesome legacy.
Ipad hd? Who the hell thought apple would seriously even consider adding the tired, meaningless and boring hd moniker every dime a dozen manufacturer uses to the ipad (other than solipsismX that is)? Seriously, ipad hd would be the most unapple name I could think of.
Ipad hd? Who the hell thought apple would seriously even consider adding the tired, meaningless and boring hd moniker every dime a dozen manufacturer uses to the ipad (other than solipsismX that is)? Seriously, ipad hd would be the most unapple name I could think of.
1) Unlike you who demanded Apple to add all sorts of features simply because you wanted them I merely stated that calling it an iPad HD instead of iPad 3 wouldn't be out of the question as noted by the 2nd gen iPhone acquiring the 3G qualifier to help market added functionality.
2) The more vitriol and puerile emotion you exhibit the more pathetic you will look. My suggestion is for you to dial it back a bit but if you insist on instigating a fight I not hesitate to destroy you.
Now it's time to kill completely the MacBook Air and MacBook Pro names and product lines.
And release an entirely new simplified notebook product line this year in 11, 13 and 15" sizes named "AirBook"
(no 17" version)
Yay, I can't wait until Apple's entire laptop line is limited to slow low-voltage CPUs, skimpy but expensive SSD storage, two ports and pokey integrated graphics due to space and heat constraints!
With it, Apple is saying: "Here is the iPad [and all that entails] -- a solution to some of your wants and needs... Anything else is, just not an iPad!"
Features, year, model don't matter... It's an iPad -- or it isn't.
Yay, I can't wait until Apple's entire laptop line is limited to slow low-voltage CPUs, skimpy but expensive SSD storage, two ports and pokey integrated graphics due to space and heat constraints!
Err... Did you happen to watch the games demoing the "pokey" graphics on that new iPad retina display?
Ipad hd? Who the hell thought apple would seriously even consider adding the tired, meaningless and boring hd moniker every dime a dozen manufacturer uses to the ipad (other than solipsismX that is)? Seriously, ipad hd would be the most unapple name I could think of.
Of course they wouldnt. Apple only adds a tired, meaningless and boring moniker to the iphone4s when it connects to at&t network.
[...] By centering on a single brand name for each major product category it sells, Apple spends much less on advertising and promoting new brands and customers find it easier to find what they're looking for and ask for it by name. [...]
Makes perfect sense. Makes you wonder why Apple called the various iPhones "3G," "3GS," "4," and "4S" at all. (And also makes you wonder why Apple named last year's iPad the "iPad 2" at all.)
My guess is that Apple marketing originally thought it was important to differentiate each year's model. Then, I'd imagine that they did another study recently and found that customers just walked into the store and asked for "the new iPhone," like you'd expect them to do. And I'd guess that shoppers search for "new iPhone" on Apple.com when they order iPhones online.
The customer is always right. Why even bother figuring out a new name for each year's iPhone, when simple is best?
Makes perfect sense. Makes you wonder why Apple called the various iPhones "3G," "3GS," "4," and "4S" at all. (And also makes you wonder why Apple named last year's iPad the "iPad 2" at all.)
My guess is that Apple marketing originally thought it was important to differentiate each year's model. Then, I'd imagine that they did another study recently and found that customers just walked into the store and asked for "the new iPhone," like you'd expect them to do. And I'd guess that shoppers search for "new iPhone" on Apple.com when they order iPhones online.
The customer is always right. Why even bother figuring out a new name for each year's iPhone, when simple is best?
I'm thinking they felt the 3G connectivity in the 2nd gen iPhone had to be noted and then got stuck. With LTE coming ?*hopefully with the MDM9615 ? there really won't any more generational updates for awhile, just higher capacity and faster performance. I hope they keep it simple.
Apple is often the company spending the most on advertising.
Hell, even Steves biography states they spent the largest out of all the markets when starting up the ipod brand. On this side of the world, I see constant iphone adverts, ipad adverts, and the occasional macbook air advert. Cant say I really ever see anything out of the competition. When i do, its usually the cell providers advertising android, and occasionally a galaxy SII.
Interesting-- which side of the world is that? Because I can tell you that in the States, Android advertising sometimes feels like a solid 75% of every ad aired on television. Of course, that includes several different handset makers plus the carriers (particularly Verizon), who love to push big scary Android-as-raygun-from-the-future spots as a way to suggest they're some kind of cybernetic enhancement clinic that gives you superpowers.
The 2013 iPad announcement is going to be interesting. I can just see Apple's line up now...
The New iPad
The Old iPad
The iPad 2
As the article states this policy only makes sense if you have just one model on sale at any one time as they do with the iMac, MBA, MBP, iPod Touch, etc, etc.
If you have old and new models on sale together it just gets confusing. They only way they could get around that is to add the year or generation number to the product as such:
iPad (4th Generation or 2013)
iPad (3rd Generation or 2012)
etc
Those details would have to appear alongside the pricing information on the inventory system and online checkout.
Frankly I don't care either way but I certainly wouldn't stoop to insulting people who prefer one system over the other as some have done above.
Thanks for saving me keystrokes.
Of course, for the number of pixels - not quite 3.14M (it rounds up to 3.15 alas), I still think...
iPad π
...would have been a great marketing name - except it took me 10 minutes to figure out how to get a decent looking rendition on screen, so hard to "viralize".....
...and so, so much for "Apple Pi".......
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
I don't see any of those things happening. The Mac is an important brand to Apple. Now before you say they dropped Mac from OS X for Mountain Lion note they also dropped iPhone from iPhone OS and made it IOS yet I doubt anyone would say the iPhone isn't important to Apple.
Maybe the great OS convergence will happen right after iOS 9 and OS X Jaguarundi as.....
Apple sold the 2nd and 3rd gen iPod touch at the same time and no one batted an eye. Leads me to believe it'll be just fine calling the iPad and iPhone just 'iPad' and 'iPhone' from here on out.
Pretending that "the new iPad" is "The New iPad!" and that the adjective must somehow serve as the formal name of the thing is such a weird idea. I keep seeing comments around the web as if this is some kind of huge fail on Apple's part. I guess being perpetually pissed at Apple means you just grab onto any old thing as a club, but this one is particularly out there.
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Going to fully generic naming with the iPad means that if the previous generation continues to be sold as new by Apple, it's going to be confusing for customers and sales staff:
Joe Customer: "Hi, I'd like to get an iPad."
Apple Salesman: "Great, would you like the new iPad or the iPad?"
Joe Customer: "The iPad or the iPad???"
Apple Salesman: "Yeah, well we give you the choice, you can either get the new iPad with A8Z Processor and Intellitouch technology, or you can get the iPad with A7 Processor and HD+ Graphics. So do you want the new iPad or the iPad?"
Joe Customer: "I don't get the difference. It was easier to understand when they had clearer names."
I think you're making it out to be more complex than it is especially with your scenario. Why would they say "The iPad or the iPad???" when they can ask which one they wanted. They can say refer to it as new or the 2012 model or the faster one just as they can refer to it as black or white and WiFI-only or WiFi+4G and 16GB or 32GB or 64GB. These are all ways this device would have to be described in order for a customers to buy the 1 of 18 models even if it was called iPad 3 or iPad HD.
It's a stupid and short-sighted name. What will they call the next one? The even newer iPad?
Everyone will call it the iPad 3. Nobody will call it "the new iPad" other than those paid by Apple to call it that.
What about MacBook Pro and MacBook Air? I don't recall it being called the new MacBook Pro, the new new MacBook Pro or the new new new MacBook Pro.
No... They'll call it the new iPad, again... they're exploiting the brand, not the model...
People who own the best, don't need to specify the model... It's a Ferrari, Beemer, Rolls, "It's a Duesey", iPod, iPad...
Brilliant... everything old is new again!
Edit: 'course the real "Dueseys" had model mumbers and other attributions:
Here is a 1933 Duesenberg Model SJ Phaeton ( Year, Make, Supercharged, J Model, Phaeton Body style:
The car could do 100 mph in 2nd gear.
uber sweet ride!! I'd give up a testicle for a ride around the block in this beauty!!
They could introduce an iPad mini
If they call it an iPad mini, the current one will be nicknamed the MaxiPad, given that maxi is the opposite of mini.
Not likely.
A few people are calling the new name dumb. Well, I'm calling those people dumb and clueless, because the new name is great and it's a very smart move, taking the future into consideration. The name is not the "new iPad", which certain people falsely believe, it's just simply iPad from now on. The new iPad is the iPad (third generation).
Nobody saw it coming. I think that most people were expecting the iPad 3 with some people speculating about an iPad HD while a few other silly and not too bright people speculated about an iPad 2 S.
The iPad will be around for many years to come and each year there will be a new model, just like with cars. Let the Android manufacturers release hundreds of models a year with all sorts of confusing and retarded names, that nobody can keep track of. Apple will simply have the iPad!
It's a brilliant and smart move by Apple!
The iPad is an iconic product, and the name iPad is all that needs to be said.
Amen for that.
You only have to read that article and look at the pictures and see there's a chasm between the start and the 'end.'
Jobs gave Apple one hell of a beating to get it into shape.
That last picture of the entire line up on one tiny picture is an awesome legacy.
I'd call it genius.
Lemon Bon Bon.
If they call it an iPad mini, the current one will be nicknamed the MaxiPad, given that maxi is the opposite of mini.
Not likely.
Nice job clipping a tiny portion of my post to completely distort what I said.....
I still cannot get over the Sprint Samsung Galaxy S II Epic Touch 4G
or tbf even:
"Sprint Samsung Galaxy S? II, Epic? Touch 4G (Black) Android Smartphone SPH-D710"
According to Samsung
Ipad hd? Who the hell thought apple would seriously even consider adding the tired, meaningless and boring hd moniker every dime a dozen manufacturer uses to the ipad (other than solipsismX that is)? Seriously, ipad hd would be the most unapple name I could think of.
1) Unlike you who demanded Apple to add all sorts of features simply because you wanted them I merely stated that calling it an iPad HD instead of iPad 3 wouldn't be out of the question as noted by the 2nd gen iPhone acquiring the 3G qualifier to help market added functionality.
2) The more vitriol and puerile emotion you exhibit the more pathetic you will look. My suggestion is for you to dial it back a bit but if you insist on instigating a fight I not hesitate to destroy you.
Now it's time to kill completely the MacBook Air and MacBook Pro names and product lines.
And release an entirely new simplified notebook product line this year in 11, 13 and 15" sizes named "AirBook"
(no 17" version)
Yay, I can't wait until Apple's entire laptop line is limited to slow low-voltage CPUs, skimpy but expensive SSD storage, two ports and pokey integrated graphics due to space and heat constraints!
The brilliance of this naming move:
With it, Apple is saying: "Here is the iPad [and all that entails] -- a solution to some of your wants and needs... Anything else is, just not an iPad!"
Features, year, model don't matter... It's an iPad -- or it isn't.
Yay, I can't wait until Apple's entire laptop line is limited to slow low-voltage CPUs, skimpy but expensive SSD storage, two ports and pokey integrated graphics due to space and heat constraints!
Err... Did you happen to watch the games demoing the "pokey" graphics on that new iPad retina display?
Ipad hd? Who the hell thought apple would seriously even consider adding the tired, meaningless and boring hd moniker every dime a dozen manufacturer uses to the ipad (other than solipsismX that is)? Seriously, ipad hd would be the most unapple name I could think of.
Of course they wouldnt. Apple only adds a tired, meaningless and boring moniker to the iphone4s when it connects to at&t network.
[...] By centering on a single brand name for each major product category it sells, Apple spends much less on advertising and promoting new brands and customers find it easier to find what they're looking for and ask for it by name. [...]
Makes perfect sense. Makes you wonder why Apple called the various iPhones "3G," "3GS," "4," and "4S" at all. (And also makes you wonder why Apple named last year's iPad the "iPad 2" at all.)
My guess is that Apple marketing originally thought it was important to differentiate each year's model. Then, I'd imagine that they did another study recently and found that customers just walked into the store and asked for "the new iPhone," like you'd expect them to do. And I'd guess that shoppers search for "new iPhone" on Apple.com when they order iPhones online.
The customer is always right. Why even bother figuring out a new name for each year's iPhone, when simple is best?
Makes perfect sense. Makes you wonder why Apple called the various iPhones "3G," "3GS," "4," and "4S" at all. (And also makes you wonder why Apple named last year's iPad the "iPad 2" at all.)
My guess is that Apple marketing originally thought it was important to differentiate each year's model. Then, I'd imagine that they did another study recently and found that customers just walked into the store and asked for "the new iPhone," like you'd expect them to do. And I'd guess that shoppers search for "new iPhone" on Apple.com when they order iPhones online.
The customer is always right. Why even bother figuring out a new name for each year's iPhone, when simple is best?
I'm thinking they felt the 3G connectivity in the 2nd gen iPhone had to be noted and then got stuck. With LTE coming ?*hopefully with the MDM9615 ? there really won't any more generational updates for awhile, just higher capacity and faster performance. I hope they keep it simple.
Thats a false assumption.
Apple is often the company spending the most on advertising.
Hell, even Steves biography states they spent the largest out of all the markets when starting up the ipod brand. On this side of the world, I see constant iphone adverts, ipad adverts, and the occasional macbook air advert. Cant say I really ever see anything out of the competition. When i do, its usually the cell providers advertising android, and occasionally a galaxy SII.
Interesting-- which side of the world is that? Because I can tell you that in the States, Android advertising sometimes feels like a solid 75% of every ad aired on television. Of course, that includes several different handset makers plus the carriers (particularly Verizon), who love to push big scary Android-as-raygun-from-the-future spots as a way to suggest they're some kind of cybernetic enhancement clinic that gives you superpowers.
The 2013 iPad announcement is going to be interesting. I can just see Apple's line up now...
The New iPad
The Old iPad
The iPad 2
As the article states this policy only makes sense if you have just one model on sale at any one time as they do with the iMac, MBA, MBP, iPod Touch, etc, etc.
If you have old and new models on sale together it just gets confusing. They only way they could get around that is to add the year or generation number to the product as such:
iPad (4th Generation or 2013)
iPad (3rd Generation or 2012)
etc
Those details would have to appear alongside the pricing information on the inventory system and online checkout.
Frankly I don't care either way but I certainly wouldn't stoop to insulting people who prefer one system over the other as some have done above.
Thanks for saving me keystrokes.
Of course, for the number of pixels - not quite 3.14M (it rounds up to 3.15 alas), I still think... ...would have been a great marketing name - except it took me 10 minutes to figure out how to get a decent looking rendition on screen, so hard to "viralize".....
...and so, so much for "Apple Pi".......
I don't see any of those things happening. The Mac is an important brand to Apple. Now before you say they dropped Mac from OS X for Mountain Lion note they also dropped iPhone from iPhone OS and made it IOS yet I doubt anyone would say the iPhone isn't important to Apple.
Maybe the great OS convergence will happen right after iOS 9 and OS X Jaguarundi as..... ....or not. Just amusin' myself on a Sunday....
Thanks for saving me keystrokes.
Of course, for the number of pixels - not quite 3.14M (it rounds up to 3.15 alas), I still think...
How about πPad.