I will do just that coz honestly all this share price and dividends stuff bores me to death.
If you didn't invest 2 or 3 years ago before the share price skyrocketed there really is no point investing now. To get the same returns APPL would have to rise to $1200.
Good luck with your shares. I hope they make you very rich. It's not for me though.
That is the type of scared and closed-minded thinking that keeps people from being successful.
Since before 2007, I have heard people saying that Apple has nothing in the pipeline, and that they were being crushed by Microsoft.
Here are some conservative predictions that I made not too long ago:
I will do just that coz honestly all this share price and dividends stuff bores me to death.
If you didn't invest 2 or 3 years ago before the share price skyrocketed there really is no point investing now. To get the same returns APPL would have to rise to $1200.
Good luck with your shares. I hope they make you very rich. It's not for me though.
What a foolish thing to say. 2-3 years ago people like you said the same thing you are saying. Because you can't conceive of the largest company getting larger doesn't mean it can't happen. In fact, mathematically it very well can and will happen.
When Apple was at an all time low at less than $6.50 per share people like you were saying that "Apple is almost out of business, no point investing now" and at some point it switches to 'Apple is over inflated, no point investing now."
That simply isn't how the reality works. Do you think Apple is a growth company? Do think their products will continue to sell? Do you think the stock will grow faster than other, safer, investment options? Do you think there stock will grow faster than other companies you could invest in?
At some point investors have to decide to think rationally about a company's future and let their emotions go. The market might run on greed and fear but you don't have to.
I will do just that coz honestly all this share price and dividends stuff bores me to death.
If you didn't invest 2 or 3 years ago before the share price skyrocketed there really is no point investing now. To get the same returns APPL would have to rise to $1200.
Good luck with your shares. I hope they make you very rich. It's not for me though.
I have aapl options I bought less than a month ago that have quadrupled in value.
Now the shareholders have their dividends is there any chance the share price will stabilise and we can get back to talking about the products.
Maybe someone should create a forum specifically for Apple shareholders to whine on incessantly about the share price and the dividend to their hearts content without boring the rest of us to tears.
let me get this straight, you are on this website and NOT a shareholder?
let me get this straight, you are on this website and NOT a shareholder?
I wasn't aware that this website was just for shareholders. I'm not a shareholder nor do I ever intend to be one. I am however interested in reading about Apple rumours. When I first joined this website it was all about the products. Clearly things have changed.
let me get this straight, you are on this website and NOT a shareholder?
There are very few AAPL shareholders of record, about 28,500 according to the last proxy statement. Of those, there are 1,750 institutions and another couple thousand are probably Apple employees buying via ESPP.
Thus, the number of individual investors with direct holdings of AAPL is probably less than 25,000 people.
In reading various tech forums and stock threads, it is quite clear that only a small percentage of people are direct shareholders of any given equity (MSFT, GOOG, AAPL, CSCO, INTC, etc.).
In these stock threads here at AI, MacRumors, etc. it appears that roughly three-quarters of the participants do not have direct ownership of AAPL. They're probably indirect owners via some mutual fund sitting in a mutual fund, but they aren't getting proxy ballots or invitations to attend the annual shareholders meeting. There are a number of former AAPL shareholders as well.
The threads about the shareholders meeting or the Apple board of directors are probably the most revealing. You can tell who actually owns shares and who doesn't.
I wasn't aware that this website was just for shareholders. I'm not a shareholder nor do I ever intend to be one. I am however interested in reading about Apple rumours. When I first joined this website it was all about the products. Clearly things have changed.
I think what he means, quite clearly, is: why are you wasting your time in a thread whose title is very straightforward and descriptive about what the topic is!?
Please stop going on with your meaningless questions. Given the context of this specific thread.
That is the type of scared and closed-minded thinking that keeps people from being successful.
Is it really. I thought it was just someone expressing an honest opinion. I don't think the share price will reach the levels some of you believe so I have better options. However I don't like to tell others what to do or not to do so if anyone wants to buy APPL good luck to them but it's not for me.
Thus, the number of individual investors with direct holdings of AAPL is probably less than 25,000 people.
Only 25,000? That is fascinating stuff. The way people go on about it, you'd think that the entire world owned a few shares. I feel pretty special now.
Just to reiterate, if you don't enjoy the stock talk, you are free to abstain. The article titles make it pretty clear which threads are stock talk and which aren't.
Tech forums such as AppleInsider, MacRumors, etc. can't be expected to interest every single reader with every single thread. Heck, there are Mac people who hate the number of iOS-related threads.
There is no requirement here (or anywhere else on the Internet for that matter) to enjoy and participate in everything being discussed.
Somewhere on the Internet, there are forums about professional wrestling or knitting lace doilies. I don't participate in those forums although I'm certain that there are people passionate about such matters.
If you disagree with AI's editorial decisions, you are free to go elsewhere, like Gizmodo or Engadget.
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Only 25,000? That is fascinating stuff. The way people go on about it, you'd think that the entire world owned a few shares. I feel pretty special now.
I don't find it particularly fascinating. The number of direct investors for any given equity is pretty small; it has been like this for many years. To invest well, one needs to put in some effort and most people are too lazy so they just buy some mutual funds in a retirement account and let the professional fund managers do all the heavy lifting.
I don't think direct ownership of any equity makes you special. It does make you different.
There are very few AAPL shareholders of record, about 28,500 according to the last proxy statement. Of those, there are 1,750 institutions and another couple thousand are probably Apple employees buying via ESPP.
Thus, the number of individual investors with direct holdings of AAPL is probably less than 25,000 people.
In reading various tech forums and stock threads, it is quite clear that only a small percentage of people are direct shareholders of any given equity (MSFT, GOOG, AAPL, CSCO, INTC, etc.).
In these stock threads here at AI, MacRumors, etc. it appears that roughly three-quarters of the participants do not have direct ownership of AAPL. They're probably indirect owners via some mutual fund sitting in a mutual fund, but they aren't getting proxy ballots or invitations to attend the annual shareholders meeting. There are a number of former AAPL shareholders as well.
The threads about the shareholders meeting or the Apple board of directors are probably the most revealing. You can tell who actually owns shares and who doesn't.
I am shocked it is so few that hold directly! I have personally been responsible for five of them joining those ranks in the last two years. In all cases they berate me for not a) persuading them sooner and b) for not stressing they should have bought even more.
I am sorry my initial comment started this for you, it seems to have become a bit rough ... I was seriously just suggesting you skip the financial posts as I always try to skip anything that looks like turning into a USA style right v left political hate fest ... and regarding your reply to my suggestion you join us with a few shares, IMHO Apple has a very long way to go and it is not too late to make a significant gain and now with dividends no less
I am shocked it is so few that hold directly! I have personally been responsible for five of them joining those ranks in the last two years. In all cases they berate me for not a) persuading them sooner and b) for not stressing they should have bought even more.
Well, the funny thing is that I've made this comment several times before (here at AI and elsewhere) with the same deliberate inaccuracy and no one has called me on it.
Which goes to show how little people are paying attention to such matters.
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If you didn't invest 2 or 3 years ago before the share price skyrocketed there really is no point investing now.
What a ridiculous comment.
I will do just that coz honestly all this share price and dividends stuff bores me to death.
If you didn't invest 2 or 3 years ago before the share price skyrocketed there really is no point investing now. To get the same returns APPL would have to rise to $1200.
Good luck with your shares. I hope they make you very rich. It's not for me though.
That is the type of scared and closed-minded thinking that keeps people from being successful.
Since before 2007, I have heard people saying that Apple has nothing in the pipeline, and that they were being crushed by Microsoft.
Here are some conservative predictions that I made not too long ago:
http://forums.appleinsider.com/showt...=1#post2044987
I will do just that coz honestly all this share price and dividends stuff bores me to death.
If you didn't invest 2 or 3 years ago before the share price skyrocketed there really is no point investing now. To get the same returns APPL would have to rise to $1200.
Good luck with your shares. I hope they make you very rich. It's not for me though.
What a foolish thing to say. 2-3 years ago people like you said the same thing you are saying. Because you can't conceive of the largest company getting larger doesn't mean it can't happen. In fact, mathematically it very well can and will happen.
When Apple was at an all time low at less than $6.50 per share people like you were saying that "Apple is almost out of business, no point investing now" and at some point it switches to 'Apple is over inflated, no point investing now."
That simply isn't how the reality works. Do you think Apple is a growth company? Do think their products will continue to sell? Do you think the stock will grow faster than other, safer, investment options? Do you think there stock will grow faster than other companies you could invest in?
At some point investors have to decide to think rationally about a company's future and let their emotions go. The market might run on greed and fear but you don't have to.
I will do just that coz honestly all this share price and dividends stuff bores me to death.
If you didn't invest 2 or 3 years ago before the share price skyrocketed there really is no point investing now. To get the same returns APPL would have to rise to $1200.
Good luck with your shares. I hope they make you very rich. It's not for me though.
I have aapl options I bought less than a month ago that have quadrupled in value.
That was definitely worth it to me.
Now the shareholders have their dividends is there any chance the share price will stabilise and we can get back to talking about the products.
Maybe someone should create a forum specifically for Apple shareholders to whine on incessantly about the share price and the dividend to their hearts content without boring the rest of us to tears.
let me get this straight, you are on this website and NOT a shareholder?
let me get this straight, you are on this website and NOT a shareholder?
I wasn't aware that this website was just for shareholders. I'm not a shareholder nor do I ever intend to be one. I am however interested in reading about Apple rumours. When I first joined this website it was all about the products. Clearly things have changed.
What a ridiculous comment.
Well you would know all about ridiculous comments as that's all you ever make
let me get this straight, you are on this website and NOT a shareholder?
There are very few AAPL shareholders of record, about 28,500 according to the last proxy statement. Of those, there are 1,750 institutions and another couple thousand are probably Apple employees buying via ESPP.
Thus, the number of individual investors with direct holdings of AAPL is probably less than 25,000 people.
In reading various tech forums and stock threads, it is quite clear that only a small percentage of people are direct shareholders of any given equity (MSFT, GOOG, AAPL, CSCO, INTC, etc.).
In these stock threads here at AI, MacRumors, etc. it appears that roughly three-quarters of the participants do not have direct ownership of AAPL. They're probably indirect owners via some mutual fund sitting in a mutual fund, but they aren't getting proxy ballots or invitations to attend the annual shareholders meeting. There are a number of former AAPL shareholders as well.
The threads about the shareholders meeting or the Apple board of directors are probably the most revealing. You can tell who actually owns shares and who doesn't.
I wasn't aware that this website was just for shareholders. I'm not a shareholder nor do I ever intend to be one. I am however interested in reading about Apple rumours. When I first joined this website it was all about the products. Clearly things have changed.
I think what he means, quite clearly, is: why are you wasting your time in a thread whose title is very straightforward and descriptive about what the topic is!?
Please stop going on with your meaningless questions. Given the context of this specific thread.
That is the type of scared and closed-minded thinking that keeps people from being successful.
Is it really. I thought it was just someone expressing an honest opinion. I don't think the share price will reach the levels some of you believe so I have better options. However I don't like to tell others what to do or not to do so if anyone wants to buy APPL good luck to them but it's not for me.
However I don't like to tell others what to do or not to do so if anyone wants to buy APPL good luck to them but it's not for me.
What does the stock symbol for Appell Petroleum have to do with this discussion?
What does the stock symbol for Appell Petroleum have to do with this discussion?
Ok AAPL then. Happy now?
Thus, the number of individual investors with direct holdings of AAPL is probably less than 25,000 people.
Only 25,000? That is fascinating stuff. The way people go on about it, you'd think that the entire world owned a few shares. I feel pretty special now.
Ok AAPL then. Happy now?
Just to reiterate, if you don't enjoy the stock talk, you are free to abstain. The article titles make it pretty clear which threads are stock talk and which aren't.
Tech forums such as AppleInsider, MacRumors, etc. can't be expected to interest every single reader with every single thread. Heck, there are Mac people who hate the number of iOS-related threads.
There is no requirement here (or anywhere else on the Internet for that matter) to enjoy and participate in everything being discussed.
Somewhere on the Internet, there are forums about professional wrestling or knitting lace doilies. I don't participate in those forums although I'm certain that there are people passionate about such matters.
If you disagree with AI's editorial decisions, you are free to go elsewhere, like Gizmodo or Engadget.
Only 25,000? That is fascinating stuff. The way people go on about it, you'd think that the entire world owned a few shares. I feel pretty special now.
I don't find it particularly fascinating. The number of direct investors for any given equity is pretty small; it has been like this for many years. To invest well, one needs to put in some effort and most people are too lazy so they just buy some mutual funds in a retirement account and let the professional fund managers do all the heavy lifting.
I don't think direct ownership of any equity makes you special. It does make you different.
There are very few AAPL shareholders of record, about 28,500 according to the last proxy statement. Of those, there are 1,750 institutions and another couple thousand are probably Apple employees buying via ESPP.
Thus, the number of individual investors with direct holdings of AAPL is probably less than 25,000 people.
In reading various tech forums and stock threads, it is quite clear that only a small percentage of people are direct shareholders of any given equity (MSFT, GOOG, AAPL, CSCO, INTC, etc.).
In these stock threads here at AI, MacRumors, etc. it appears that roughly three-quarters of the participants do not have direct ownership of AAPL. They're probably indirect owners via some mutual fund sitting in a mutual fund, but they aren't getting proxy ballots or invitations to attend the annual shareholders meeting. There are a number of former AAPL shareholders as well.
The threads about the shareholders meeting or the Apple board of directors are probably the most revealing. You can tell who actually owns shares and who doesn't.
I am shocked it is so few that hold directly! I have personally been responsible for five of them joining those ranks in the last two years. In all cases they berate me for not a) persuading them sooner and b) for not stressing they should have bought even more.
AAPL market cap is now $150 Billion greater than XOM... AIR, they were trading places a month, or so, ago..
AAPL $ 560,447,607,000
XOM $ 410,003,094,790
The new iPad is going to revolutionize the way you poop while playing pointless games.
Ok AAPL then. Happy now?
I am sorry my initial comment started this for you, it seems to have become a bit rough ... I was seriously just suggesting you skip the financial posts as I always try to skip anything that looks like turning into a USA style right v left political hate fest ... and regarding your reply to my suggestion you join us with a few shares, IMHO Apple has a very long way to go and it is not too late to make a significant gain and now with dividends no less
And they're worth, what, 17x what Dell is now?
I often debate which is funnier ... that one or RIM's comments about Apple not understanding the phone market when the iPhone was released. .
I won't even give any of Ballmer's foot in mouth comments a mention ...
I am shocked it is so few that hold directly! I have personally been responsible for five of them joining those ranks in the last two years. In all cases they berate me for not a) persuading them sooner and b) for not stressing they should have bought even more.
Well, the funny thing is that I've made this comment several times before (here at AI and elsewhere) with the same deliberate inaccuracy and no one has called me on it.
Which goes to show how little people are paying attention to such matters.