I for one couldn't care less about Apples peewee Bluetooth keyboard. It's practically worthless to me. It's slow to be recognized on start up, doesn't have a number pad, and only has 12 F keys. It's reminiscent (in a bad way) of the infernal hockey puck mouse for how useless it is to anybody except maybe your grand pa.
As for the matte display, it's about freakin' time. It might even make the iMac worth buying for the office. We'll see.
All this mumbo jumbo about how the public demanded glossy couldn't be more ridiculous. The fact is that Apple before had a terrible environmental rating with the plasticy LCD screens and changing to degradable/recyclable glass raised the rating.
I do a ton of financial work and always hate it on a laptop. I have the wired numbered keyboard on my iMac and would never go to one without. Anyone else using Excel/Numbers feel the same?
If Apple makes an iMac like that, I'll go with that. I was considering having such glass custom cut for an iMac.
I thought the coating would be applied after the glass was cut. I have seen the equipment that was used to coat optics. It vaporized a chemical compound with heat which then adhered to the lens, however, this process was extremely expensive. I'm not sure how the anti-glare coating would be applied to such a large area such as a computer screen.
It would be great if the new keyboard allowed to power-on the Mac, As previously possible with ADB and former USB Apple keyboards; see for instance, the i-Cue dongle also for that:
Yet, it does not work with current Macs. Such booting from the keyboard is extremely useful when the Mac is below or away from the table or desktop surface.
If USB does not allow it, maybe Thunderbolt could make the dream true!
Really? We have a couple of iMacs at the office, an older aluminum 24" and a brand new 21.5", and I've never heard the slightest noise from either of them.
I can corroborate this, my aluminum iMac is a couple years old, and very silent. OTOH, I also have a white iMac G5 20'', and I remember it was really silent when new, but it's somewhat noisy now (not as noisy as a PC with a cheap fan, but anyway far more noisy than when it was new). I cleaned it, and I reinstalled Tiger, and I recovered the speed it had when new, and also the noise was reduced, but still noticeable... the G5 iMac fan doesn't age well.
Suffered terribly? As opposed to burning out someone's retina if a simple lightbulb was reflected in a glossy?
Who uses an iMac in direct sunlight?
I cannot wait for this if it is true. I will pounce. Thank you Tim Cook.
I bought a matte 20'' G5 iMac back when Tiger was released, and I still use it at home. In my office I've an aluminum iMac, and my G5 matte screen at home is more comfortable to use than the aluminum one at the office, because I'm always moving the aluminum iMac, or closing windows, in order to avoid glare, while at home I never have glare with the G5
It's probably going to be a type of antireflection coating, as used on camera lenses. Usually this is vapor-deposited varieties of MgFl or something similar. It's a well known technology and used in any modern optics (e.g. Multicoating). It's relatively cheap in the big picture, all things considered. This sort of thing is long overdue.
I wouldn't downplay tactile feedback that much. It's a big one imo. That's not to say apple may not be able to innovate something where you don't even need to touch something, but my fingers need some sort of response to wail on a keyboard. It helps guide my fingers as I type. I know I'm not the only one out there that feels the same way. Which is why these keyboards still exist.
With that being said, I'm very curious of this .2mm feedback. That couldn't be "just enough" feedback to improve typing speeds.
0.2mm/0.008" seems far too short... but what if there was another reason for it?
We know that Apple cares about the keyboard. We know that Apple understands that a quality keyboard needs to feel right to the user. We also know there is no reason to reduce the travel or usefulness in a desktop system due to weight or space. But what if they will be using this new keyboard design to first introduce haptic feedback? This seems the perfect place to start it before you can finally get it power efficient enough to include behind a touchscreen device.
The two terms have unfortunately been conflated. There are anti-glare processes that apply very thin layers of material to reduce the reflectivity of a surface without adding any texture. Just take a look at a camera lens, most of them have an anti reflective surface but are not matte textured. You should be able to tell at least by the fact that the reflections aren't the same color as the incident light.
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It will be interesting to see what Apple delivers. Many of these technologies require some sort of vacuum coating process. Thus they are expensive, especially for large panel sizes.
The problem I see already in this thread is that people are immediately thinking matte which may be way off base. Matte has always been a terrible solution to the problem at hand, even if some have convinced themselves that they gotta have it.
I hope it's off base. I don't think the world needs more matte screens.
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I thought the coating would be applied after the glass was cut. I have seen the equipment that was used to coat optics. It vaporized a chemical compound with heat which then adhered to the lens, however, this process was extremely expensive. I'm not sure how the anti-glare coating would be applied to such a large area such as a computer screen.
It may not be the exact same process, or exact same materials, but the effects were similar. All the 21" CRTs I had used, and several smaller ones had that kind of a coating. Heck, my 50" plasma TV screen has such a coating.
I bought a matte 20'' G5 iMac back when Tiger was released, and I still use it at home. In my office I've an aluminum iMac, and my G5 matte screen at home is more comfortable to use than the aluminum one at the office, because I'm always moving the aluminum iMac, or closing windows, in order to avoid glare, while at home I never have glare with the G5
I am still using my matte 20" Intel Core Duo iMac.
Thank god we use matte Compaq screens at the office.
I'd love to see Apple use SSD drives similar to what the Macbook Air uses that are user replaceable, upgradeable like the RAM cards. External thunderbolt drives when serious capacity is needed. That will really thin out the iMac and get the heat signature down a bit.
As long as they continue to use glass for display, I'm a happy camper. I've been using my late 2009 iMac happily and with no issues with the glossy display.
I remember when the first chiclet keyboards came out and everyone really put them down as not having the travel distance of a "real" IBM PC keyboard that had about half the travel distance of a Selectric typewriter.
There was a time in the pre-power PC days when you could get a int that would give you the sound of a manual typewriter, complete with the bell and ziiiing when you hit "return."
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0.2mm/0.008" seems far too short... but what if there was another reason for [reduced travel distance]?
Health reasons. It lowers carpal tunnel injury by causing less tendon movement and also reduces the impact force of the finger tip on the keycap and thus the resulting shock that travels up the finger bones to the wrist.
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I can corroborate this, my aluminum iMac is a couple years old, and very silent. OTOH, I also have a white iMac G5 20'', and I remember it was really silent when new, but it's somewhat noisy now (not as noisy as a PC with a cheap fan, but anyway far more noisy than when it was new). I cleaned it, and I reinstalled Tiger, and I recovered the speed it had when new, and also the noise was reduced, but still noticeable... the G5 iMac fan doesn't age well.
Not to disagree, but that G5 has aged very well. It's at least 150 years old in tech-years.
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It would be great if the new keyboard allowed to power-on the Mac, As previously possible with ADB and former USB Apple keyboards; see for instance, the i-Cue dongle also for that:
<< snip>>
Yet, it does not work with current Macs. Such booting from the keyboard is extremely useful when the Mac is below or away from the table or desktop surface.
If USB does not allow it, maybe Thunderbolt could make the dream true!
The Macs sleep with very little power use. Just wake it with the wireless mouse.
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Originally Posted by mstone
I thought the coating would be applied after the glass was cut. I have seen the equipment that was used to coat optics. It vaporized a chemical compound with heat which then adhered to the lens, however, this process was extremely expensive. I'm not sure how the anti-glare coating would be applied to such a large area such as a computer screen.
In a nut shell G-Tech is a glass processing company.
That it is a division of Foxconn just adds to the feeling that it is trumped up info to raise the stock value of Foxconn. After all they just took a PR hit with the whole labor thing. Claiming they are about to embark on something awesome and new would carry the implication that Apple has no long term concerns about the partnership etc.
wouldn't be the first time digitimes was part of such a stunt
It may not be the exact same process, or exact same materials, but the effects were similar. All the 21" CRTs I had used, and several smaller ones had that kind of a coating. Heck, my 50" plasma TV screen has such a coating.
One interesting side benefit of a matte screen was that it blurred the screen ever-so-slightly making the pixels less obvious. If Apple is planning on converting the MBPs to Retina displays then most anti-glare solutions would be counter to better resolution,
One interesting side benefit of a matte screen was that it blurred the screen ever-so-slightly making the pixels less obvious. If Apple is planning on converting the MBPs to Retina displays then most anti-glare solutions would be counter to better resolution,
No, it's the matte treatments that would be counter to better resolution. Non-matte treatments would work fine.
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As for the matte display, it's about freakin' time. It might even make the iMac worth buying for the office. We'll see.
The Al Gore effect.
Is that really too much to ask for?
how about a full wireless keyboard?
Is that really too much to ask for?
Right?
I do a ton of financial work and always hate it on a laptop. I have the wired numbered keyboard on my iMac and would never go to one without. Anyone else using Excel/Numbers feel the same?
http://macmatte.wordpress.com
Maybe with the "Invisible Glass":
Japanese Firm Develops ?Invisible Glass?
http://techon.nikkeibp.co.jp/english...0111028/199970
Amazing Invisible Glass Kills Glare Dead
http://gizmodo.com/5854321/amazing-i...lls-glare-dead
?Invisible glass? could reduce display glare, fails as food-in-teeth mirror
http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/31/i...s-as-food-in-t
If Apple makes an iMac like that, I'll go with that. I was considering having such glass custom cut for an iMac.
I thought the coating would be applied after the glass was cut. I have seen the equipment that was used to coat optics. It vaporized a chemical compound with heat which then adhered to the lens, however, this process was extremely expensive. I'm not sure how the anti-glare coating would be applied to such a large area such as a computer screen.
USB Boot Dongle (i-Cue) for Mac
http://www.lindy.co.uk/usb-boot-dong...mac/32871.html
Yet, it does not work with current Macs. Such booting from the keyboard is extremely useful when the Mac is below or away from the table or desktop surface.
If USB does not allow it, maybe Thunderbolt could make the dream true!
Really? We have a couple of iMacs at the office, an older aluminum 24" and a brand new 21.5", and I've never heard the slightest noise from either of them.
I can corroborate this, my aluminum iMac is a couple years old, and very silent. OTOH, I also have a white iMac G5 20'', and I remember it was really silent when new, but it's somewhat noisy now (not as noisy as a PC with a cheap fan, but anyway far more noisy than when it was new). I cleaned it, and I reinstalled Tiger, and I recovered the speed it had when new, and also the noise was reduced, but still noticeable... the G5 iMac fan doesn't age well.
Suffered terribly? As opposed to burning out someone's retina if a simple lightbulb was reflected in a glossy?
Who uses an iMac in direct sunlight?
I cannot wait for this if it is true. I will pounce. Thank you Tim Cook.
I bought a matte 20'' G5 iMac back when Tiger was released, and I still use it at home. In my office I've an aluminum iMac, and my G5 matte screen at home is more comfortable to use than the aluminum one at the office, because I'm always moving the aluminum iMac, or closing windows, in order to avoid glare, while at home I never have glare with the G5
I wouldn't downplay tactile feedback that much. It's a big one imo. That's not to say apple may not be able to innovate something where you don't even need to touch something, but my fingers need some sort of response to wail on a keyboard. It helps guide my fingers as I type. I know I'm not the only one out there that feels the same way. Which is why these keyboards still exist.
With that being said, I'm very curious of this .2mm feedback. That couldn't be "just enough" feedback to improve typing speeds.
0.2mm/0.008" seems far too short... but what if there was another reason for it?
We know that Apple cares about the keyboard. We know that Apple understands that a quality keyboard needs to feel right to the user. We also know there is no reason to reduce the travel or usefulness in a desktop system due to weight or space. But what if they will be using this new keyboard design to first introduce haptic feedback? This seems the perfect place to start it before you can finally get it power efficient enough to include behind a touchscreen device.
You are correct sir/madam.
I was hoping a Tim Cook Apple would be more flexible when it comes to function over form. If this is true, then I will be buying two.
Won't happen as long as Jon Ive is alive.
I would be more interested in upgrading if it were silent. My fan is a bit loud and annoying at times.
You probably have the "motorcycle" effect turned on. Just unclip the tiny playing card from where it touches the fan blade.
My eyes say otherwise
The two terms have unfortunately been conflated. There are anti-glare processes that apply very thin layers of material to reduce the reflectivity of a surface without adding any texture. Just take a look at a camera lens, most of them have an anti reflective surface but are not matte textured. You should be able to tell at least by the fact that the reflections aren't the same color as the incident light.
It will be interesting to see what Apple delivers. Many of these technologies require some sort of vacuum coating process. Thus they are expensive, especially for large panel sizes.
The problem I see already in this thread is that people are immediately thinking matte which may be way off base. Matte has always been a terrible solution to the problem at hand, even if some have convinced themselves that they gotta have it.
I hope it's off base. I don't think the world needs more matte screens.
I thought the coating would be applied after the glass was cut. I have seen the equipment that was used to coat optics. It vaporized a chemical compound with heat which then adhered to the lens, however, this process was extremely expensive. I'm not sure how the anti-glare coating would be applied to such a large area such as a computer screen.
It may not be the exact same process, or exact same materials, but the effects were similar. All the 21" CRTs I had used, and several smaller ones had that kind of a coating. Heck, my 50" plasma TV screen has such a coating.
I bought a matte 20'' G5 iMac back when Tiger was released, and I still use it at home. In my office I've an aluminum iMac, and my G5 matte screen at home is more comfortable to use than the aluminum one at the office, because I'm always moving the aluminum iMac, or closing windows, in order to avoid glare, while at home I never have glare with the G5
I am still using my matte 20" Intel Core Duo iMac.
Thank god we use matte Compaq screens at the office.
As long as they continue to use glass for display, I'm a happy camper. I've been using my late 2009 iMac happily and with no issues with the glossy display.
There was a time in the pre-power PC days when you could get a int that would give you the sound of a manual typewriter, complete with the bell and ziiiing when you hit "return."
0.2mm/0.008" seems far too short... but what if there was another reason for [reduced travel distance]?
Health reasons. It lowers carpal tunnel injury by causing less tendon movement and also reduces the impact force of the finger tip on the keycap and thus the resulting shock that travels up the finger bones to the wrist.
I can corroborate this, my aluminum iMac is a couple years old, and very silent. OTOH, I also have a white iMac G5 20'', and I remember it was really silent when new, but it's somewhat noisy now (not as noisy as a PC with a cheap fan, but anyway far more noisy than when it was new). I cleaned it, and I reinstalled Tiger, and I recovered the speed it had when new, and also the noise was reduced, but still noticeable... the G5 iMac fan doesn't age well.
Not to disagree, but that G5 has aged very well. It's at least 150 years old in tech-years.
It would be great if the new keyboard allowed to power-on the Mac, As previously possible with ADB and former USB Apple keyboards; see for instance, the i-Cue dongle also for that:
<< snip>>
Yet, it does not work with current Macs. Such booting from the keyboard is extremely useful when the Mac is below or away from the table or desktop surface.
If USB does not allow it, maybe Thunderbolt could make the dream true!
The Macs sleep with very little power use. Just wake it with the wireless mouse.
I thought the coating would be applied after the glass was cut. I have seen the equipment that was used to coat optics. It vaporized a chemical compound with heat which then adhered to the lens, however, this process was extremely expensive. I'm not sure how the anti-glare coating would be applied to such a large area such as a computer screen.
Fluoride gas?
In a nut shell G-Tech is a glass processing company.
That it is a division of Foxconn just adds to the feeling that it is trumped up info to raise the stock value of Foxconn. After all they just took a PR hit with the whole labor thing. Claiming they are about to embark on something awesome and new would carry the implication that Apple has no long term concerns about the partnership etc.
wouldn't be the first time digitimes was part of such a stunt
It may not be the exact same process, or exact same materials, but the effects were similar. All the 21" CRTs I had used, and several smaller ones had that kind of a coating. Heck, my 50" plasma TV screen has such a coating.
One interesting side benefit of a matte screen was that it blurred the screen ever-so-slightly making the pixels less obvious. If Apple is planning on converting the MBPs to Retina displays then most anti-glare solutions would be counter to better resolution,
One interesting side benefit of a matte screen was that it blurred the screen ever-so-slightly making the pixels less obvious. If Apple is planning on converting the MBPs to Retina displays then most anti-glare solutions would be counter to better resolution,
No, it's the matte treatments that would be counter to better resolution. Non-matte treatments would work fine.