60Gig iPod ?!

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in Future Apple Hardware edited January 2014
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I didn't expect the capacity of these drives to get so big so fast...but now let's imagine one of these 60gig babies in an iPod. [go ahead, close your eyes]



Okay, now...what's the point? 10gigs of mp3s, yes...20gigs, maybe for the hardcore collector. But 60gigs? Not really appropriate for an mp3 player.



So here's the question: what kind of fun and wonderful device could Apple come up with for this new HD (beyond the *books)?



rr.
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  • Reply 1 of 38
    heinzelheinzel Posts: 117member
    I did it. *Eyes closed again.* Looks pretty sad, the stainless steel back totally bent on all four sides and the HD braking through one of them. I think I'd rather go with the 1.8 inch, 20 GB, 3mm thicker-look instead of cramming in the 2.5 incher...



    No, seriously, 60 GB is _obscene_. Disgusting. Yuk.





    Edit: Woops, sorry, hadn't read all of the article, thanx Anders.



    [ 04-09-2002: Message edited by: heinzel ]</p>
  • Reply 2 of 38
    tomahawktomahawk Posts: 171member
    I still think if they could find a way to allow the iPod to be accessed while logging in to an OS X system they could do some amazing things.



    I don't have an iPod right now but I would buy one if I could store a copy of my programs on it and there was software the automatically kept the most recent version of my prefs and documents on it.



    If this was done properly I would be able to attach my iPod to a computer on campus and when I log in my desktop background could appear, my mouse speed prefs would work, etc. All exactly like to do when I left home. I would have all my files, including my recent homework, and access to my programs that I use at home so I can get my work done on campus too, including all their preferences. At the same time I have access to the school programs, which could be locked to keep me from copying those, and if I don't have an iPod I get the standard university setup.



    The same thing would go for going to work, traveling, etc. Right now I have to take my PowerBook everywhere when I travel. It would be great if I could go on a short trip, have my iPod, stop at a Kinko's, plug in, connect with the saved bookmarks, get my work done, and leave listening to my MP3s.



    I'm sure there is a lot more than I can even think of but it just seems like a great feature.
  • Reply 3 of 38
    andersanders Posts: 6,523member
    I know it say so in the article but the iPod doesn´t have a 2.5 incher. Only 1.8.



    Get your facts right MacWorld <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
  • Reply 4 of 38
    maniamania Posts: 104member
    well, first of all I have a 60 G internal just with music on it - i have not bought an ipod so far sice it don't hold near enough 4 me.



    now like has been said the ipod uses a 1.8 - but the article seemed to indicate the technology could be used in smaller drives. so i am still holdin out.



    that said i hope hard drives go away someday and we come up with some kind of solid state device that holds terabytes in the size of a dime.
  • Reply 5 of 38
    matsumatsu Posts: 6,558member
    HDD's may undergo yet another format shift. Remember way back when, when for a short time you could get HDD's in both 5.25" and 3.5" format? Well, it seems OEM's and system builder's may be looking at dropping down another rung in the desktop HDD diameter stakes. 2.5" desktop drives! Currently, notebooks use this size so the drives typically spin slower and use less power. However, a smaller diameter drive should be able to spin faster if power and heat are less of a concern. It should also be quiter and cooler than a 3.5. With aerial densities climbing all the time, technology improvements (together with more platters and therefore taller drives) could produce competing capacities that take up less space, make less noise and heat, yet offer similar speeds at an eventually cheaper cost.



    This is not my opinion, I wish I could remember the article source, but I can't. Anyway, I'm not so sure that it's really reasonable for manufacturers to do that right now, or if it would actually produce cheaper drives eventually. They argued that less overall material has to be used, and that you can spin drives faster. I'm not sure you couldn't do those things by applying new technologies to 3.5" drives.



    And, with 20GB 1.8" available, how long before this size offers at least viable subnote capacities? Of course, 1.8 was chosen largely because that allowed it to fit in a PC card carrier, a new notebook form factor wouldn't have to go that small, it could hover around 2 - 2.125" diameter in order to get a little extra capacity than 1.8 while having a little more efficiency and speed than 2.5 ???



    IF 2.5 desktop drives are on the horizon (though I think they're probably a bit further below it than the article I read implied), would the other form-factors neccessarily shrink as well?



    The current form factors seem to make sense as they are. You still have to put big-wide DVD/CD drives in desktops and most laptops. That gives your machine a minimum size that the current form factors fit quite nicely already. However, A subnote doesn't ABSOLUTELY NEED, an integrated optical drive. Could a 1.8" 20GB neo2400 Powerbook be possible? Something absurdly thin and light? Yet with day long battery life?
  • Reply 6 of 38
    [quote]Originally posted by Tomahawk:

    <strong>I still think if they could find a way to allow the iPod to be accessed while logging in to an OS X system they could do some amazing things.



    I don't have an iPod right now but I would buy one if I could store a copy of my programs on it and there was software the automatically kept the most recent version of my prefs and documents on it.



    If this was done properly I would be able to attach my iPod to a computer on campus and when I log in my desktop background could appear, my mouse speed prefs would work, etc. All exactly like to do when I left home. I would have all my files, including my recent homework, and access to my programs that I use at home so I can get my work done on campus too, including all their preferences. At the same time I have access to the school programs, which could be locked to keep me from copying those, and if I don't have an iPod I get the standard university setup.



    The same thing would go for going to work, traveling, etc. Right now I have to take my PowerBook everywhere when I travel. It would be great if I could go on a short trip, have my iPod, stop at a Kinko's, plug in, connect with the saved bookmarks, get my work done, and leave listening to my MP3s.



    I'm sure there is a lot more than I can even think of but it just seems like a great feature.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    you can already do this with a very small amount of NetInfo trickery. There are instructions somewhere in this forum or the MacNN forums. I forget which one.
  • Reply 7 of 38
    overtoastyovertoasty Posts: 439member
    [quote]Originally posted by ricRocket:

    <strong><a href="http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/0204/09.toshiba.php"; target="_blank">http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/0204/09.toshiba.php</a>;



    I didn't expect the capacity of these drives to get so big so fast...but now let's imagine one of these 60gig babies in an iPod. [go ahead, close your eyes]



    Okay, now...what's the point? 10gigs of mp3s, yes...20gigs, maybe for the hardcore collector. But 60gigs? Not really appropriate for an mp3 player.



    So here's the question: what kind of fun and wonderful device could Apple come up with for this new HD (beyond the *books)?



    rr.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    forget it, it's all moot, thanks to The Consumer Broadband and Digital Television Promotion Act, which is before the US Congress right now, (thanks to Democrat Senator Fritz Hollings) ... if you use your iPod, you could go to prison.



    Have a nice day
  • Reply 8 of 38
    [quote]Originally posted by ricRocket:

    <strong>

    60gigs? Not really appropriate for an mp3 player.

    </strong><hr></blockquote>



    Are you kidding me? I have a Maxtor 60GB 3000DV Ext. Firewire HD for ONLY MP3's. I would LOVE to take my collection with me.



    [ 04-09-2002: Message edited by: sjpsu ]</p>
  • Reply 9 of 38
    cdhostagecdhostage Posts: 1,038member
    It won't be long until this new tech is put into 1.8 inch drives. I want a 60 GB iPod that can play CD-quality audio. 100 CDs is not bad.
  • Reply 10 of 38
    carbon3carbon3 Posts: 34member
    60 GB in an iPod! :eek:



    I would have my own portable DVD player!

    Want to watch a movie? Sure! Just hook it up to a Mac and voilÃ*! Pixar to go!



    Now, I wonder when Apple will put an ADC port on the iPod and bundle it with a mini display (I suppose a 23" would suffice... ).
  • Reply 11 of 38
    agent302agent302 Posts: 974member
    [quote]Originally posted by OverToasty:

    <strong>



    forget it, it's all moot, thanks to The Consumer Broadband and Digital Television Promotion Act, which is before the US Congress right now, (thanks to Democrat Senator Fritz Hollings) ... if you use your iPod, you could go to prison.



    Have a nice day</strong><hr></blockquote>



    Umm, I think you seriously misread the bill. First, it's stated purpose is to encourage the adoption of broadband networks and digital tv over the air (as opposed to over cable; I assume this to mean HDTV) by providing security measures on that content. Secondly, while it does attempt to enforce security standards for devices that could transport digital media (a la the ipod) it is not retroactive. That means that all current iPod users would be safe to do what they want, and all new iPods (assuming that they fall under the stipulations of the Act, which they might not) would require enchanced encryption and security features. The bill actually explicitly protects fair use rights, as well as it does not at all stipulate prison time as punishment, merely monetary fines.



    That's today's lesson in legal interpretations. Feel free to dispute as necessary.
  • Reply 12 of 38
    When there is a 60 gig player, I will definitely buy one. I encode EVERYTHING in 320kbps, so it will be a godsend. Except, I want to be able to store it on the iPod and be able to transfer the files back and forth so I do not need to store it elsewhere. (Of course there are 3rd party solutions, but I want Apple just to support it that way) Etc...
  • Reply 13 of 38
    matsumatsu Posts: 6,558member
    320Kbps is really the only way to encode! an upgrade to support for MP3pro which hides extra high frequency info in the Mp3 (so it remains playable on older MP3 players, but gives better resolution under the enhanced codec -- similar in concept to HDCD -- would be really sweet). And, if I'm not mistaken MP3 can be pushed to 384Kbps, though the iPod only supports 320 -- maybe the DSP can't handle more than that???
  • Reply 14 of 38
    wmfwmf Posts: 1,164member
    Toshiba is already making a notebook with their 20GB 1.8" drive, so I wouldn't be surprised to see it in other micro-notebooks and Tablet PCs.
  • Reply 15 of 38
    pookjppookjp Posts: 280member
    Add a color screen and the ability to play slideshows and quicktime movies and then 60gigs makes perfect sense.
  • Reply 16 of 38
    [quote]Originally posted by PookJP:

    <strong>Add a color screen and the ability to play slideshows and quicktime movies and then 60gigs makes perfect sense.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    If you're willing to shell out a cool grand or so, then yeah that would be cool.
  • Reply 17 of 38
    splinemodelsplinemodel Posts: 7,311member
    [quote]Originally posted by mania:

    <strong>well, first of all I have a 60 G internal just with music on it - i have not bought an ipod so far sice it don't hold near enough 4 me.



    now like has been said the ipod uses a 1.8 - but the article seemed to indicate the technology could be used in smaller drives. so i am still holdin out.



    that said i hope hard drives go away someday and we come up with some kind of solid state device that holds terabytes in the size of a dime.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    You have either a very large CD collection or a very good method of stealing.
  • Reply 18 of 38
    bradbowerbradbower Posts: 1,068member
    [quote]Originally posted by Splinemodel:

    <strong>



    You have either a very large CD collection or a very good method of stealing.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    Is that supposed to be a reason why there shouldn't be a 60GB iPod? I'll just assume it is for the sake of argument.



    If Apple took that into consideration as a reason against such a thing, it would be as ludicrous as the government imposing speed, power, and efficiency improvements on vehicles, and in fact a downgrade in all of the above, because if you've got a car that fast you're either speeding and endangering lives or not even using it. That would be stupid for different reasons obviously, but why would Apple limit such a thing? As mp3s and other files get larger, people accumulate larger collections, the accumulation of collections becomes easier, and mp3 players and mp3 usage in itself becomes more widespread, I think demand for more space will follow. Just like the computer industry.. Five years ago, if somebody said they needed/wanted a 1.xGHz computer with 2GB of RAM and 128MB of DDR-RAM on the graphics card alone, you would have laughed at them. But with the hardware, software, and usage that is possible and common today, it's not so absurd that you would shun such an idea, right?



    I myself don't have 60GB of music, but I've got about 10, now. And I get new music all the time. I have friends who have 40, 60, 100GB of mp3s. An ISP in my area that I am good friends with a lot of the people involved with has an mp3 server, and they've got like 200-300GB of mp3s because they all contribute, and then they listen to it in the office. So I can see a need/desire for such a large amount of storage being portable in an mp3 player.



    I trade albums with friends to encode, share mp3s with a few close friends, download music from free downloadable music sites like mp3.com, encode a lot of my CDs and the CDs of my household, and sometimes I can stomach LimeWire long enough to download and try out some cool new music or obscure music or music that isn't available on CDs at all, or at least not CDs anymore.



    Is there anything wrong with that? Well, some of the things, on some level, yes, probably. But I still want a 60GB iPod.
  • Reply 19 of 38
    Even more amazing than a 60 GB iPod, would be a 5 GB iPod that costs $200. I would actually buy such a product. For now the iPod remains a toy for the rich.
  • Reply 20 of 38
    ricrocketricrocket Posts: 142member
    [quote] Even more amazing than a 60 GB iPod, would be a 5 GB iPod that costs $200. I would actually buy such a product. For now the iPod remains a toy for the rich. <hr></blockquote>



    Damned bourgeoisie getting JYD down



    Actually, there's a pretty good point somewhere in there. What do we think the average age of someone with 20+gigs of mp3s? 18-22? Now, what do we think the average age of someone with $500+ to drop on an iPod is? Older than 22? IMHO, Apple won't make a 60gig iPod for mp3's anytime soon because no one will buy them!



    rr.
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