The iPad still is a toy. MS wants to create a better tablet. Like the tablets they've been making since the turn of the century. Like the tablets Bill Gates preached about right in front of Steve Jobs during an interview in 2007 BEFORE the iPad came out.
I think it's safe to say that Microsoft wants to perfect their tablet. And the iPad is not and never will be a tablet. It's a giant iPhone.
The iPad still is a toy. MS wants to create a better tablet. Like the tablets they've been making since the turn of the century. Like the tablets Bill Gates preached about right in front of Steve Jobs during an interview in 2007 BEFORE the iPad came out.
I think it's safe to say that Microsoft wants to perfect their tablet. And the iPad is not and never will be a tablet. It's a giant iPhone.
iPad is a tablet and competitors the world over are scrambling to copy it. What currently available product do you consider to be a better tablet than the iPad?
The iPad still is a toy. MS wants to create a better tablet. Like the tablets they've been making since the turn of the century. Like the tablets Bill Gates preached about right in front of Steve Jobs during an interview in 2007 BEFORE the iPad came out.
I think it's safe to say that Microsoft wants to perfect their tablet. And the iPad is not and never will be a tablet. It's a giant iPhone.
You're just looking for a fight, aren't you Jeff?
You might get more action if you had a leg to stand on.
"Anything can be forced to converge," Cook answered. "But the problem is that the products are about tradeoffs. You begin to make tradeoffs to the point where what you have left at the end of the day doesn't please anyone."
You know Windows tablets will be a consumer hit when Steve Ballmer dons a red sweater to hock one. He's so downright folksy. What's not to love? Come sit by the fire with your uncle Ballmer while he reads you a story from his Windows tablet.
I understand the second version of the Win8 tablet will be able to show colors, and eventually they will even handle graphics! I can't remember for sure, but I think they trotted out Curley in his red Christmas sweater to entertain the shills while Moe and Larry reset all the computers that had just blown up... it was a CES to remember!
>If convergence won't please anyone, then why Mountain Lion?
I agree... and I'd say the same for Lion. Controlling your computer through cryptic hand gestures is not intuitive. Why not make a touch sensitive version of the Twister mat that I can put under my desk and whisk windows on and off screen with my feet?Or how about a butt cushion where wiggle gestures move things to the trash? A touch screen is great because it's immediate and obvious. Lion's gestures are stupid and ill conceived because they are non-immediate, and non-obvious. Hey Apple, can you see what gesture I'm making now? It's Snow Leopard for me for the foreseeable future.
Oh no! If I got on the wrong web site I might wipe my hard disk before I could close the window.
The iPad still is a toy. MS wants to create a better tablet. Like the tablets they've been making since the turn of the century. Like the tablets Bill Gates preached about right in front of Steve Jobs during an interview in 2007 BEFORE the iPad came out.
I think it's safe to say that Microsoft wants to perfect their tablet. And the iPad is not and never will be a tablet. It's a giant iPhone.
You're being ignorant here. Microsoft has been trying to make a good tablet for twenty years. It never offered a tablet people wanted to use, despite attempts as far back as Windows 3.x Tablet Edition. If it takes you twenty years to "get something right", maybe you should move on to something else.
What you're talking about is probably referencing Microsoft Courier, which never made it to production. How about the HP slate? Why talk about stuff before it's even ready?
Why cling to Microsoft's vaporware like that? Maybe it's time for you to grow up and stop making excuses for the world's largest software company. You might not like the iPad, but it's possible that what you want will be a flop.
The iPad still is a toy. MS wants to create a better tablet. Like the tablets they've been making since the turn of the century. Like the tablets Bill Gates preached about right in front of Steve Jobs during an interview in 2007 BEFORE the iPad came out.
I think it's safe to say that Microsoft wants to perfect their tablet. And the iPad is not and never will be a tablet. It's a giant iPhone.
<p> Cook said that hardware convergence was what users didn't want, not software convergence. I'm sure software convergence is quite the opposite in terms of desirability.</p>
I don't agree with that interpretation. The question he was answering directly referenced software ("Windows 8 is a touched based operating system as well...") so I think he was making the case that like hardware, a one-size-fits-all philosophy doesn't work well for the software either. Certain interfaces make sense for a desktop, but not a tablet.
Convergence in OS X Lion-> Mountain Lion is about converging Services to provide more depth and breadth to the OS X ecosystem, not about OS X reabsorbing iOS.
exactly. Apple is looking at this as a common core and common services but the UI's are separate where it makes sense for them to be separate. No trying to make Mac OS X a touch screen UI although some gestures do work with the touch pad so they are included as options. No putting a faux mouse arrow in iOS.
Whereas it seems like Microsoft is trying to make exactly one OS that will run everything.
Lion's gestures are stupid and ill conceived because they are non-immediate, and non-obvious.
to people that started off on an iPhone or iPad, like many of the switcher, they are very natural. For those that came up from 10.whatever they are options. You can turn them off if you don't like them. Just like you can flip back scrolling, use the old layout in Mail, take Launchpad off your dock and keep using the Finder.
I prefer to take my WebEx meetings on the "toy", create rough cuts of educational videos on the "toy", review music and provide feedback on the "toy", do my bookkeeping on the "toy", do most of my business correspondence on the "toy", storyboard on the "toy", do landscape assessments on the "toy", and present my ideas, portfolio, and final products on the "toy".
However, I do visualize that future Desktop Macs will use the iPad as an auxiliary touch input device... Especially for apps like drawing, painting, CAD, audio/video/photo editing...
i would love to see that. I think it would be awesome to see iPhoto for iOS connect with iPhoto for Mac OS so I can brush on my iPad and change a photo on my computer in the same way I can do it on my iPad. I would love to be able to flick across my iPad to flip through a 'stack' of photos. or to jog through footage in iMovie or Final Cut.
<p> </p><div class="quote-container"> <span>Quote:</span> <div class="quote-block"> Originally Posted by <strong>Jeff Scherrer</strong> <a href="/t/149589/tim-cook-says-windows-8-style-tablet-pc-convergence-wont-please-anyone#post_2100510"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" /></a><br /> <br /> <p> The iPad still is a toy. MS wants to create a better tablet. Like the tablets they've been making since the turn of the century. Like the tablets Bill Gates preached about right in front of Steve Jobs during an interview in 2007 BEFORE the iPad came out.</p> <p> </p> <p> I think it's safe to say that Microsoft wants to perfect their tablet. And the iPad is not and never will be a tablet. It's a giant iPhone.</p> </div></div><p> </p><p> <br /> You're being ignorant here. Microsoft has been trying to make a good tablet for twenty years. It never offered a tablet people wanted to use, despite attempts as far back as Windows 3.x Tablet Edition. If it takes you twenty years to "get something right", maybe you should move on to something else.</p><p> </p><p> What you're talking about is probably referencing Microsoft Courier, which never made it to production. How about the HP slate? Why talk about stuff before it's even ready?</p><p> </p><p> Why cling to Microsoft's vaporware like that? Maybe it's time for you to grow up and stop making excuses for the world's largest software company. You might not like the iPad, but it's possible that what you want will be a flop.</p>
Well Jeff, he's a troll, so logic isn't what he's interested in. He's here to do what he's already done, which is to get a bunch of people to waste their time responding.
I prefer to take my WebEx meetings on the "toy", create rough cuts of educational videos on the "toy", review music and provide feedback on the "toy", do my bookkeeping on the "toy", do most of my business correspondence on the "toy", storyboard on the "toy", do landscape assessments on the "toy", and present my ideas, portfolio, and final products on the "toy".
Microsoft ought to follow RIM's lead and focus on the enterprise. Apple is weaker there, so it's safe. haha....Although the iPad is penetrating some enterprise scenarios as well.
Resistance is futile. Microsoft's going down and that downward spiral would accelerate if Apple ever were to license OS X to non-Apple manufacturers.
<p> </p><div class="quote-container"> <span>Quote:</span> <div class="quote-block"> Originally Posted by <strong>Dick Applebaum</strong> <a href="/t/149589/tim-cook-says-windows-8-style-tablet-pc-convergence-wont-please-anyone#post_2100503"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" /></a><br /> <br /> However, I do visualize that future Desktop Macs will use the iPad as an auxiliary touch input device... Especially for apps like drawing, painting, CAD, audio/video/photo editing...</div></div><p> </p><p> i would love to see that. I think it would be awesome to see iPhoto for iOS connect with iPhoto for Mac OS so I can brush on my iPad and change a photo on my computer in the same way I can do it on my iPad. I would love to be able to flick across my iPad to flip through a 'stack' of photos. or to jog through footage in iMovie or Final Cut. </p>
I've been doing this for some time. There are a bunch of apps that allow the iPad to be used as a very big touchpad. Some are even available from Adobe.
I have the appropriately named Touchpad, as well as Mobile Mouse. AirDisplay also works as a second monitor, and allows screen manipulations to the desktop and programs such as Photoshop.
Adobe has Adobe Navigator which is a great addition to the program. There's also LRPad, which allows Lightroom and other photo apps, and some others to be controlled from the iPad.
There are others, but I don't have them. I do have some apps that mimic audio studio production hardware such as the Korg iElectribe, which is a rhythm synth.
<p> Microsoft ought to follow RIM's lead and focus on the enterprise. Apple is weaker there, so it's safe. haha....Although the iPad is penetrating some enterprise scenarios as well.</p><p> </p><p> Resistance is futile. Microsoft's going down and that downward spiral would accelerate if Apple ever were to license OS X to non-Apple manufacturers.</p>
During the call early this evening Apple said that they had been hiring people to specifically deal with the enterprise in areas such as iPad and iPhone adoption, and other areas as well, which I assume to be macs.
They already are involved with companies such as Unisys, and others, who are integrators. That is, they get the proper hardware and software together, even writing some for companies.
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The iPad still is a toy. MS wants to create a better tablet. Like the tablets they've been making since the turn of the century. Like the tablets Bill Gates preached about right in front of Steve Jobs during an interview in 2007 BEFORE the iPad came out.
I think it's safe to say that Microsoft wants to perfect their tablet. And the iPad is not and never will be a tablet. It's a giant iPhone.
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Originally Posted by Jeff Scherrer
The iPad still is a toy. MS wants to create a better tablet. Like the tablets they've been making since the turn of the century. Like the tablets Bill Gates preached about right in front of Steve Jobs during an interview in 2007 BEFORE the iPad came out.
I think it's safe to say that Microsoft wants to perfect their tablet. And the iPad is not and never will be a tablet. It's a giant iPhone.
... and there we are.
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Originally Posted by Jeff Scherrer
the iPad is not and never will be a tablet.
iPad is a tablet and competitors the world over are scrambling to copy it. What currently available product do you consider to be a better tablet than the iPad?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff Scherrer
The iPad still is a toy. MS wants to create a better tablet. Like the tablets they've been making since the turn of the century. Like the tablets Bill Gates preached about right in front of Steve Jobs during an interview in 2007 BEFORE the iPad came out.
I think it's safe to say that Microsoft wants to perfect their tablet. And the iPad is not and never will be a tablet. It's a giant iPhone.
You're just looking for a fight, aren't you Jeff?
You might get more action if you had a leg to stand on.
"Anything can be forced to converge," Cook answered. "But the problem is that the products are about tradeoffs. You begin to make tradeoffs to the point where what you have left at the end of the day doesn't please anyone."
*ahem* iTunes *ahem*
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Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton
You know Windows tablets will be a consumer hit when Steve Ballmer dons a red sweater to hock one. He's so downright folksy. What's not to love? Come sit by the fire with your uncle Ballmer while he reads you a story from his Windows tablet.
I understand the second version of the Win8 tablet will be able to show colors, and eventually they will even handle graphics! I can't remember for sure, but I think they trotted out Curley in his red Christmas sweater to entertain the shills while Moe and Larry reset all the computers that had just blown up... it was a CES to remember!
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Originally Posted by InfoDave
You're just looking for a fight, aren't you Jeff?
You might get more action if you had a leg to stand on.
Jeff is just that way because he's vertically challenged... or was that Mutt? Which one wore the fez?
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Originally Posted by graxspoo
>If convergence won't please anyone, then why Mountain Lion?
I agree... and I'd say the same for Lion. Controlling your computer through cryptic hand gestures is not intuitive. Why not make a touch sensitive version of the Twister mat that I can put under my desk and whisk windows on and off screen with my feet? Or how about a butt cushion where wiggle gestures move things to the trash? A touch screen is great because it's immediate and obvious. Lion's gestures are stupid and ill conceived because they are non-immediate, and non-obvious. Hey Apple, can you see what gesture I'm making now? It's Snow Leopard for me for the foreseeable future.
Oh no! If I got on the wrong web site I might wipe my hard disk before I could close the window.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff Scherrer
The iPad still is a toy. MS wants to create a better tablet. Like the tablets they've been making since the turn of the century. Like the tablets Bill Gates preached about right in front of Steve Jobs during an interview in 2007 BEFORE the iPad came out.
I think it's safe to say that Microsoft wants to perfect their tablet. And the iPad is not and never will be a tablet. It's a giant iPhone.
You're being ignorant here. Microsoft has been trying to make a good tablet for twenty years. It never offered a tablet people wanted to use, despite attempts as far back as Windows 3.x Tablet Edition. If it takes you twenty years to "get something right", maybe you should move on to something else.
What you're talking about is probably referencing Microsoft Courier, which never made it to production. How about the HP slate? Why talk about stuff before it's even ready?
Why cling to Microsoft's vaporware like that? Maybe it's time for you to grow up and stop making excuses for the world's largest software company. You might not like the iPad, but it's possible that what you want will be a flop.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff Scherrer
The iPad still is a toy. MS wants to create a better tablet. Like the tablets they've been making since the turn of the century. Like the tablets Bill Gates preached about right in front of Steve Jobs during an interview in 2007 BEFORE the iPad came out.
I think it's safe to say that Microsoft wants to perfect their tablet. And the iPad is not and never will be a tablet. It's a giant iPhone.
25 billion app downloads and counting...
I don't agree with that interpretation. The question he was answering directly referenced software ("Windows 8 is a touched based operating system as well...") so I think he was making the case that like hardware, a one-size-fits-all philosophy doesn't work well for the software either. Certain interfaces make sense for a desktop, but not a tablet.
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Originally Posted by mdriftmeyer
Convergence in OS X Lion-> Mountain Lion is about converging Services to provide more depth and breadth to the OS X ecosystem, not about OS X reabsorbing iOS.
exactly. Apple is looking at this as a common core and common services but the UI's are separate where it makes sense for them to be separate. No trying to make Mac OS X a touch screen UI although some gestures do work with the touch pad so they are included as options. No putting a faux mouse arrow in iOS.
Whereas it seems like Microsoft is trying to make exactly one OS that will run everything.
Quote:
Originally Posted by graxspoo
Lion's gestures are stupid and ill conceived because they are non-immediate, and non-obvious.
to people that started off on an iPhone or iPad, like many of the switcher, they are very natural. For those that came up from 10.whatever they are options. You can turn them off if you don't like them. Just like you can flip back scrolling, use the old layout in Mail, take Launchpad off your dock and keep using the Finder.
I prefer to take my WebEx meetings on the "toy", create rough cuts of educational videos on the "toy", review music and provide feedback on the "toy", do my bookkeeping on the "toy", do most of my business correspondence on the "toy", storyboard on the "toy", do landscape assessments on the "toy", and present my ideas, portfolio, and final products on the "toy".
Er... "iPad".
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum
However, I do visualize that future Desktop Macs will use the iPad as an auxiliary touch input device... Especially for apps like drawing, painting, CAD, audio/video/photo editing...
i would love to see that. I think it would be awesome to see iPhoto for iOS connect with iPhoto for Mac OS so I can brush on my iPad and change a photo on my computer in the same way I can do it on my iPad. I would love to be able to flick across my iPad to flip through a 'stack' of photos. or to jog through footage in iMovie or Final Cut.
Well Jeff, he's a troll, so logic isn't what he's interested in. He's here to do what he's already done, which is to get a bunch of people to waste their time responding.
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Originally Posted by NotScott
I prefer to take my WebEx meetings on the "toy", create rough cuts of educational videos on the "toy", review music and provide feedback on the "toy", do my bookkeeping on the "toy", do most of my business correspondence on the "toy", storyboard on the "toy", do landscape assessments on the "toy", and present my ideas, portfolio, and final products on the "toy".
Er... "iPad".
Make games on your iPad that would be programming, would it not?
Microsoft ought to follow RIM's lead and focus on the enterprise. Apple is weaker there, so it's safe. haha....Although the iPad is penetrating some enterprise scenarios as well.
Resistance is futile. Microsoft's going down and that downward spiral would accelerate if Apple ever were to license OS X to non-Apple manufacturers.
I've been doing this for some time. There are a bunch of apps that allow the iPad to be used as a very big touchpad. Some are even available from Adobe.
I have the appropriately named Touchpad, as well as Mobile Mouse. AirDisplay also works as a second monitor, and allows screen manipulations to the desktop and programs such as Photoshop.
Adobe has Adobe Navigator which is a great addition to the program. There's also LRPad, which allows Lightroom and other photo apps, and some others to be controlled from the iPad.
There are others, but I don't have them. I do have some apps that mimic audio studio production hardware such as the Korg iElectribe, which is a rhythm synth.
A lot of good stuf out there!
During the call early this evening Apple said that they had been hiring people to specifically deal with the enterprise in areas such as iPad and iPhone adoption, and other areas as well, which I assume to be macs.
They already are involved with companies such as Unisys, and others, who are integrators. That is, they get the proper hardware and software together, even writing some for companies.