If it is any taller, it will not fit into a pocket.
If it has a new aspect ratio, then all the software will need to be rewritten.
If it has a new dock connector, then all existing accessories are obsolete.
I am glad youre not working at Apple, I dont want Apple doing the same as RIM and think there first design is prefect. Apple is lagging on the phone hardware side, they need to come out with something better and new or they will start to decline.
None of the those points makes sense to me, its all small details. Smartphone are being use a lot to browse the web on the go, a 3.5" screen thick phone like the current models are years behind in design... Apple need to innovate or die.
Imagine a new phone with the same design but with 4g LTE and a faster CPU. Whats the point of that? What the hell are you going to do on a 3.5" screen with super fast internet connection and that processor power? whats the point of upgrading from the 4s to that? it makes no sense at all.
The "I can dial with one hand" mentality is stalling them to the point they are missing the bigger picture of what users are doing with smartphones. One model do not fit all, they MUST come out with at least 2 models or lose part of the market.
Yes, we get it, you're anti-Apple. You're just another tick on the list, nothing special.
Correct, Apple screws it's customers, that's why I'm anti-Apple.
But I'm anti-iPhone because it is not the best smartphone out there for everybody. It's got a great, intuitive, simple user interface for Tom, Dick, and Harry, but it's waaay too limited for people with an IQ of over 12.4.
The Samsung Galaxy Note is a better choice with its dual core 1.4Ghz CPU, its configureability, and its gorgeous 5.3" Super Amoled screen for people who know what they are doing.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
I hate your future. Because while Apple will never do this, Google will read your post and get bright ideas.
"Apple will never do this"...?
HAHAHAHAHA!
Either you're extremely naive, or you're a bald faced liar.
I suspect the extra pixels at the top will be used for a redesigned notification centre and status bar. The part of the screen devoted to apps will remain the same, but notifications will slide over the larger status bar meaning they don't get in the way of your apps.
…3.5" screen thick phone like the current models are years behind in design…
Which explains why the three year old model sells better than any phone not "years behind in design", of course.
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Imagine a new phone with the same design but with 4g LTE and a faster CPU. Whats the point of that?
It's faster in every way imaginable. If you don't see a point, I don't know what to tell you.
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What the hell are you going to do on a 3.5" screen with super fast internet connection and that processor power?
Use any of the 600,000 apps in the App Store, I'd imagine. What kind of foolish question was that?
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whats the point of upgrading from the 4s to that? it makes no sense at all.
What gives you the idea that people update yearly? What gives you the idea that Apple is targeting that market?
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Originally Posted by AlvarezLuis
Correct, Apple screws it's customers, that's why I'm anti-Apple.
So why in the world are you here? Notice the website name?
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But I'm anti-iPhone because it is not the best smartphone out there for everybody.
No smartphone is. You're anti-everysinglephone, then. You have no argument.
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It's got a great, intuitive, simple user interface for Tom, Dick, and Harry, but it's waaay too limited for people with an IQ of over 12.4.
Just go away, really.
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The Samsung Galaxy Note is a better choice with its dual core 1.4Ghz CPU, its configureability, and its gorgeous 5.3" Super Amoled screen for people who know what they are doing.
Subjective crap. Either prove this or we'll just keep laughing.
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"Apple will never do this"...?
HAHAHAHAHA!
Either you're extremely naive, or you're a bald faced liar.
Yep. I'm a liar. Now prove me wrong. Show me the permanent ad space that Apple has on every single device they sell. Show me the ad services they force us to see when using every application they make and every product the sell.
I don't want it thinner. It is already uncomfortably thin as it is. I actually use a case to give it a thicker profile for a better grip. I would rather they used that 2mm to double the battery life. Phones don't last long enough when you start using GPS features. I figured Apple would get that by now with the iPad's long battery life.
They need oled to improved battery life. I hope Apple really innovate this time. Siri is the only reason they got away with the 4S. imo they know it and this is why we are starting to see iphone 5 leaks, the new iphone is coming out in the summer.
I don't hang out on Android board and spew out my hatred for all things Android. Dissenting opinion is ok but if you hate Apple and the products from Apple there's little point in being a part of this community.
We have Android fans here and that's fine. They offer a unique approach to mobile phone OS that many of us do not know and many have thick skin (most of the time ...wink AbsoluteD) but Alvarez has overstepped the boundaries of mutual respect.
Seriously you are beginning to sound like "grampa likes its old couch the way it is and doesnt want to change it"
I have the 4s and I dont see the point of either having a faster processor or faster internet connection... Its does makes sense on the new ipad because it has apps and a browser than can actually use the increase power to do something with it.
anyway get ready to see more and more new iphone leaks before the summer as production ramps up.
BTW the new forum is much slower than the old one. Its fine on my iMac at home, but on my windowns machine at work is very very laggy.
I don't hang out on Android board and spew out my hatred for all things Android. Dissenting opinion is ok but if you hate Apple and the products from Apple there's little point in being a part of this community.
We have Android fans here and that's fine. They offer a unique approach to mobile phone OS that many of us do not know and many have thick skin (most of the time ...wink AbsoluteD) but Alvarez has overstepped the boundaries of mutual respect.
When someone comes right out and states they are anti-Apple... then there isn't much point in having them here.
Seriously you are beginning to sound like "grampa likes its old couch the way it is and doesnt want to change it"
I desire a faster processor, faster Internet access, and a better all-around device and you don't see the point to any of that and I'm the barmy old codger?
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I have the 4s and I dont see the point of either having a faster processor or faster internet connection... Its does makes sense on the new ipad because it has apps and a browser than can actually use the increase power to do something with it.
And the… iPhone and iPod touch don't, somehow?
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anyway get ready to see more and more new iphone leaks before the summer as production ramps up.
I sort of hope so, but I also don't. Leak the new cases of the MacBook Pro. Leak the new Mac Pro case, even! That'd be huge! But I think the iPhone should remain a mystery.
They need oled to improved battery life. I hope Apple really innovate this time. Siri is the only reason they got away with the 4S. imo they know it and this is why we are starting to see iphone 5 leaks, the new iphone is coming out in the summer.
Just curious - which planet do you live on? Siri is the only reason they got away with the 4S? It's got a faster processor, LTE, faster GPU, much better camera, and even better antenna. In fact, the case is about the only thing that HASN'T been improved.
Oh, and btw, if your logic is correct, they must not sell any iPhone 4s models in countries where Siri doesn't work. Right?
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Originally Posted by herbapou
Seriously you are beginning to sound like "grampa likes its old couch the way it is and doesnt want to change it"
I have the 4s and I dont see the point of either having a faster processor or faster internet connection... Its does makes sense on the new ipad because it has apps and a browser than can actually use the increase power to do something with it.
anyway get ready to see more and more new iphone leaks before the summer as production ramps up.
Fortunately, you're not designing Apple's products. Many people happen to think that a faster processor, faster internet connection, better camera and new features are more important than changing the case. In fact, outside of Apple-haters and 'journalists', your view is in the distinct minority.
I still believe that either what we have now (with greatly decreased bezel area) or a stretched-out 3.8" 300ppi screen are both more likely, but I would mind that solution either.
What I would mind, though, is having the phone as tall as that particular mockup from the article. The iPhone 4/S already feels quite tall... we really don't need it to be taller. I mean, the aspect ratio change would sort of demand it, but the mockup implies that Apple didn't even try to make the screen occupy a larger area of the front of the device. And that back... no. Just no. I'd even go as far as suggesting they'll use ceramic or whatnot, but not that.
Oh, and I'd like to see the removal of the physical home button. touch sensitive area, please.
The hardware is not what fascinates me most, though. I'm dying to know whether Apple will revamp the iOS interface (even if just aesthetically). If they don't, well, I'll get depressed until they do or Microsoft fixes up Windows Phone (I'm betting it'll die before that happens...)
"According to our source, Apple will make one major change to the rear casing, adding a metal panel to the central back of the new iPhone," the report said.
Looks terrible IMHO. Don't like the 2-tone look, and I'm not sure how strong and water-tight the two glass-to-metal joints would be. I'd prefer a completely metal back, preferably a wrap-around so it would be seamless up to the front touch panel.
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider
Finally, the report also claimed that the next iPhone will have a new, smaller dock connector that will be "a little larger" than the bottom speaker and microphone ports on the existing iPhone 4S.
Oh well. I'm still hoping for a MagSafe dock connector. iPhone first, then iPad next year. Maybe.
If it is any taller, it will not fit into a pocket.
If it has a new aspect ratio, then all the software will need to be rewritten.
If it has a new dock connector, then all existing accessories are obsolete.
A slightly taller iPhone would still be smaller than most Android and Windows phones.
Having said that I see no reason for Apple to lengthen the iPhone as much as envisioned in the above article to accommodate a longer screen. The amount of iPhone body above and below the screen is huge compared with pretty much any other phone on the market.
A new aspect ratio is unlikely, but if it's larger in only one dimension it would allow Apple to stick new UI into the additional space and leave 640x960 available for apps. New apps could be written to toggle the additional OS level UI and make use of the extra space. Apps already have to respect the fact that Apple inserts a second status bar when the user is on a call or tethered. Having a "permanent" space for such notifications that doesn't intrude on the normal 640x960 app zone would probably make life simpler for app developers than it is today.
I really question the round dock connector though. Round is the wrong shape for thin devices.
A new aspect ratio is unlikely, but if it's larger in only one dimension it would allow Apple to stick new UI into the additional space and leave 640x960 available for apps. New apps could be written to toggle the additional OS level UI and make use of the extra space. Apps already have to respect the fact that Apple inserts a second status bar when the user is on a call or tethered.
Ooh! You've given me an idea. Not that I subscribe to the idea of a changed ratio in the slightest, but if it WAS simply extended, that extra space could go to an omnipresent… ah, no, that's idiotic. I was going to say omnipresent Multitasking Bar, but you'd hit it all the time. And then I was going to say, "and the background of the Bar changes to green, red, or blue depending on if you're on call, recording, or tethering."
But what Apple COULD do… I just don't know how it'd look. I'm sure it would work just fine, but in terms of… anyway:
A single pixel line at the top of the UI that changes to green, blue, or red for those statuses. Something like that is intrusive enough that you know at a glance what is going on when you are looking for it and subtle enough to not really be noticed if you're not looking for it. I think.
Additional comment on the "it has to be the same size" argument.
I live in a city with a large east Asian population. I see tiny women on the bus/train every day holding large Android phones in one hand. Go to phone-size.com and plug in the iPhone 4, Galaxy S II and Galaxy S II LTE to see just how much bigger they are.
Many of the Asian women with iPhones have encased them in truly enormous silicone things that make the overall dimensions up to twice the size of the phone itself. Think 3" long pink bunny ears and giant "Space Invaders" style characters.
Clearly small size isn't nearly as important as Apple seems to think.
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Originally Posted by I am a Zither Zather Zuzz
If it is any taller, it will not fit into a pocket.
If it has a new aspect ratio, then all the software will need to be rewritten.
If it has a new dock connector, then all existing accessories are obsolete.
I am glad youre not working at Apple, I dont want Apple doing the same as RIM and think there first design is prefect. Apple is lagging on the phone hardware side, they need to come out with something better and new or they will start to decline.
None of the those points makes sense to me, its all small details. Smartphone are being use a lot to browse the web on the go, a 3.5" screen thick phone like the current models are years behind in design... Apple need to innovate or die.
Imagine a new phone with the same design but with 4g LTE and a faster CPU. Whats the point of that? What the hell are you going to do on a 3.5" screen with super fast internet connection and that processor power? whats the point of upgrading from the 4s to that? it makes no sense at all.
The "I can dial with one hand" mentality is stalling them to the point they are missing the bigger picture of what users are doing with smartphones. One model do not fit all, they MUST come out with at least 2 models or lose part of the market.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Yes, we get it, you're anti-Apple. You're just another tick on the list, nothing special.
Correct, Apple screws it's customers, that's why I'm anti-Apple.
But I'm anti-iPhone because it is not the best smartphone out there for everybody. It's got a great, intuitive, simple user interface for Tom, Dick, and Harry, but it's waaay too limited for people with an IQ of over 12.4.
The Samsung Galaxy Note is a better choice with its dual core 1.4Ghz CPU, its configureability, and its gorgeous 5.3" Super Amoled screen for people who know what they are doing.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
I hate your future. Because while Apple will never do this, Google will read your post and get bright ideas.
"Apple will never do this"...?
HAHAHAHAHA!
Either you're extremely naive, or you're a bald faced liar.
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Originally Posted by herbapou
Apple is lagging on the phone hardware side…
The fastest phone on the market is "lagging"?
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…3.5" screen thick phone like the current models are years behind in design…
Which explains why the three year old model sells better than any phone not "years behind in design", of course.
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Imagine a new phone with the same design but with 4g LTE and a faster CPU. Whats the point of that?
It's faster in every way imaginable. If you don't see a point, I don't know what to tell you.
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What the hell are you going to do on a 3.5" screen with super fast internet connection and that processor power?
Use any of the 600,000 apps in the App Store, I'd imagine. What kind of foolish question was that?
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whats the point of upgrading from the 4s to that? it makes no sense at all.
What gives you the idea that people update yearly? What gives you the idea that Apple is targeting that market?
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Originally Posted by AlvarezLuis
Correct, Apple screws it's customers, that's why I'm anti-Apple.
So why in the world are you here? Notice the website name?
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But I'm anti-iPhone because it is not the best smartphone out there for everybody.
No smartphone is. You're anti-everysinglephone, then. You have no argument.
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It's got a great, intuitive, simple user interface for Tom, Dick, and Harry, but it's waaay too limited for people with an IQ of over 12.4.
Just go away, really.
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The Samsung Galaxy Note is a better choice with its dual core 1.4Ghz CPU, its configureability, and its gorgeous 5.3" Super Amoled screen for people who know what they are doing.
Subjective crap. Either prove this or we'll just keep laughing.
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"Apple will never do this"...?
HAHAHAHAHA!
Either you're extremely naive, or you're a bald faced liar.
Yep. I'm a liar. Now prove me wrong. Show me the permanent ad space that Apple has on every single device they sell. Show me the ad services they force us to see when using every application they make and every product the sell.
Ah, that's right, isn't it?
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Originally Posted by xStatiCa
I don't want it thinner. It is already uncomfortably thin as it is. I actually use a case to give it a thicker profile for a better grip. I would rather they used that 2mm to double the battery life. Phones don't last long enough when you start using GPS features. I figured Apple would get that by now with the iPad's long battery life.
They need oled to improved battery life. I hope Apple really innovate this time. Siri is the only reason they got away with the 4S. imo they know it and this is why we are starting to see iphone 5 leaks, the new iphone is coming out in the summer.
AlvarezLuis is banned.
I don't hang out on Android board and spew out my hatred for all things Android. Dissenting opinion is ok but if you hate Apple and the products from Apple there's little point in being a part of this community.
We have Android fans here and that's fine. They offer a unique approach to mobile phone OS that many of us do not know and many have thick skin (most of the time ...wink AbsoluteD) but Alvarez has overstepped the boundaries of mutual respect.
Seriously you are beginning to sound like "grampa likes its old couch the way it is and doesnt want to change it"
I have the 4s and I dont see the point of either having a faster processor or faster internet connection... Its does makes sense on the new ipad because it has apps and a browser than can actually use the increase power to do something with it.
anyway get ready to see more and more new iphone leaks before the summer as production ramps up.
BTW the new forum is much slower than the old one. Its fine on my iMac at home, but on my windowns machine at work is very very laggy.
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Originally Posted by DrDoppio
Yeah. Apple would never release a thicker next generation product just to get a bigger battery in it. /s
You don't get Apple either, so give up.
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Originally Posted by hmurchison
AlvarezLuis is banned.
I don't hang out on Android board and spew out my hatred for all things Android. Dissenting opinion is ok but if you hate Apple and the products from Apple there's little point in being a part of this community.
We have Android fans here and that's fine. They offer a unique approach to mobile phone OS that many of us do not know and many have thick skin (most of the time ...wink AbsoluteD) but Alvarez has overstepped the boundaries of mutual respect.
When someone comes right out and states they are anti-Apple... then there isn't much point in having them here.
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Originally Posted by charlituna
I dedicate this to you
That was O-fish-ily The finny-ist! Tanks!
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Originally Posted by herbapou
Seriously you are beginning to sound like "grampa likes its old couch the way it is and doesnt want to change it"
I desire a faster processor, faster Internet access, and a better all-around device and you don't see the point to any of that and I'm the barmy old codger?
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I have the 4s and I dont see the point of either having a faster processor or faster internet connection... Its does makes sense on the new ipad because it has apps and a browser than can actually use the increase power to do something with it.
And the… iPhone and iPod touch don't, somehow?
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anyway get ready to see more and more new iphone leaks before the summer as production ramps up.
I sort of hope so, but I also don't. Leak the new cases of the MacBook Pro. Leak the new Mac Pro case, even! That'd be huge! But I think the iPhone should remain a mystery.
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Originally Posted by herbapou
They need oled to improved battery life. I hope Apple really innovate this time. Siri is the only reason they got away with the 4S. imo they know it and this is why we are starting to see iphone 5 leaks, the new iphone is coming out in the summer.
Just curious - which planet do you live on? Siri is the only reason they got away with the 4S? It's got a faster processor, LTE, faster GPU, much better camera, and even better antenna. In fact, the case is about the only thing that HASN'T been improved.
Oh, and btw, if your logic is correct, they must not sell any iPhone 4s models in countries where Siri doesn't work. Right?
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Originally Posted by herbapou
Seriously you are beginning to sound like "grampa likes its old couch the way it is and doesnt want to change it"
I have the 4s and I dont see the point of either having a faster processor or faster internet connection... Its does makes sense on the new ipad because it has apps and a browser than can actually use the increase power to do something with it.
anyway get ready to see more and more new iphone leaks before the summer as production ramps up.
Fortunately, you're not designing Apple's products. Many people happen to think that a faster processor, faster internet connection, better camera and new features are more important than changing the case. In fact, outside of Apple-haters and 'journalists', your view is in the distinct minority.
To people claiming Apple would never change the aspect ratio:
http://www.theverge.com/2012/4/9/2937265/the-4-inch-iphone-5
I still believe that either what we have now (with greatly decreased bezel area) or a stretched-out 3.8" 300ppi screen are both more likely, but I would mind that solution either.
What I would mind, though, is having the phone as tall as that particular mockup from the article. The iPhone 4/S already feels quite tall... we really don't need it to be taller. I mean, the aspect ratio change would sort of demand it, but the mockup implies that Apple didn't even try to make the screen occupy a larger area of the front of the device. And that back... no. Just no. I'd even go as far as suggesting they'll use ceramic or whatnot, but not that.
Oh, and I'd like to see the removal of the physical home button. touch sensitive area, please.
The hardware is not what fascinates me most, though. I'm dying to know whether Apple will revamp the iOS interface (even if just aesthetically). If they don't, well, I'll get depressed until they do or Microsoft fixes up Windows Phone (I'm betting it'll die before that happens...)
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider
"According to our source, Apple will make one major change to the rear casing, adding a metal panel to the central back of the new iPhone," the report said.
Looks terrible IMHO. Don't like the 2-tone look, and I'm not sure how strong and water-tight the two glass-to-metal joints would be. I'd prefer a completely metal back, preferably a wrap-around so it would be seamless up to the front touch panel.
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider
Finally, the report also claimed that the next iPhone will have a new, smaller dock connector that will be "a little larger" than the bottom speaker and microphone ports on the existing iPhone 4S.
Oh well. I'm still hoping for a MagSafe dock connector. iPhone first, then iPad next year. Maybe.
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Originally Posted by I am a Zither Zather Zuzz
If it is any taller, it will not fit into a pocket.
If it has a new aspect ratio, then all the software will need to be rewritten.
If it has a new dock connector, then all existing accessories are obsolete.
A slightly taller iPhone would still be smaller than most Android and Windows phones.
Having said that I see no reason for Apple to lengthen the iPhone as much as envisioned in the above article to accommodate a longer screen. The amount of iPhone body above and below the screen is huge compared with pretty much any other phone on the market.
A new aspect ratio is unlikely, but if it's larger in only one dimension it would allow Apple to stick new UI into the additional space and leave 640x960 available for apps. New apps could be written to toggle the additional OS level UI and make use of the extra space. Apps already have to respect the fact that Apple inserts a second status bar when the user is on a call or tethered. Having a "permanent" space for such notifications that doesn't intrude on the normal 640x960 app zone would probably make life simpler for app developers than it is today.
I really question the round dock connector though. Round is the wrong shape for thin devices.
Without a much bigger screen, a much better battery, and lighter weight I won't even consider an iPhone.
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Originally Posted by Bregalad
A new aspect ratio is unlikely, but if it's larger in only one dimension it would allow Apple to stick new UI into the additional space and leave 640x960 available for apps. New apps could be written to toggle the additional OS level UI and make use of the extra space. Apps already have to respect the fact that Apple inserts a second status bar when the user is on a call or tethered.
Ooh! You've given me an idea. Not that I subscribe to the idea of a changed ratio in the slightest, but if it WAS simply extended, that extra space could go to an omnipresent… ah, no, that's idiotic. I was going to say omnipresent Multitasking Bar, but you'd hit it all the time. And then I was going to say, "and the background of the Bar changes to green, red, or blue depending on if you're on call, recording, or tethering."
But what Apple COULD do… I just don't know how it'd look. I'm sure it would work just fine, but in terms of… anyway:
A single pixel line at the top of the UI that changes to green, blue, or red for those statuses. Something like that is intrusive enough that you know at a glance what is going on when you are looking for it and subtle enough to not really be noticed if you're not looking for it. I think.
The aspect ratio may remain the same with the extra screen area being used as a dynamic button to replace the mechanical home button on there today.
Additional comment on the "it has to be the same size" argument.
I live in a city with a large east Asian population. I see tiny women on the bus/train every day holding large Android phones in one hand. Go to phone-size.com and plug in the iPhone 4, Galaxy S II and Galaxy S II LTE to see just how much bigger they are.
Many of the Asian women with iPhones have encased them in truly enormous silicone things that make the overall dimensions up to twice the size of the phone itself. Think 3" long pink bunny ears and giant "Space Invaders" style characters.
Clearly small size isn't nearly as important as Apple seems to think.
metal panel and 4"? pretty neat to me! i'm excited for this! i hope they'll release it soon! :O