Without the sim "lock" people can switch carriers easily. Removing the SIM, which is a key part of the GSM family, makes it easy for the devices to be cloned.
That's not really accurate. Perhaps with flip phones where everything can be saved to the sim in terms of contacts. but with smart phones, the amount of data is way more than a SIM card could handle. Which is why you 'clone' via things like iTunes and iCloud backups and the Android version of such. The SIM card is just about your service. But you can log onto your billing site for things like Verizon and Sprint and attach a new MEID to your phone number. And just as easily take off your current MEID so I can put the same one on my account after I hand you the cash you demanded for the phone.
Safety pins work better. They tend to be smaller and you can clip it to the inside of your bag so it doesn't get lost. And since your mama taught you to always have a safety pin or two on you, especially when traveling, in case you lose a button in some vulgar spot (like the button that keeps your boobs showing or your fly closed), you already have it on you. Well if you have my mother, who yes still texts me to ask if I put on clean underwear.
First of all, I wasn't suggesting that there is only one reason Apple was proposing a change to the SIM standard. Second, without reading the SIM patent(s) that Nokia holds, I wouldn't make assumptions that it's all about a design patent for the size and shape of a SIM. Apple may have to pay a licensing fee regardless of the size/shape of the SIM, but again, I'm not reading Nokia's patents to confirm this.
My point is that Apple is one of the few companies out there that try to make things better, not just settle for how things were done in the past. I'm not an Apple fanatic, but rather a design and technology fanatic. Just from my own personal experience and that of seeing first hand what happens when you use the old rubber gasket design SIM cover or worse, the behind the battery design, tells me there has to be a better way. Not only have I had old feature phones where the SIM covers broke off or the battery covers stopped staying on the phone, I see my kid's feature phones all have this exact problem. My daughter went through 4 phones in the past 2 years, finally upgrading to an iP4. Each one of her crappy feature phones lost the SIM covers or had missing battery covers.
So Nokia wants to just keep using what they have - great thinking. So they want to hold on to their patent so that they can make money somehow - but this won't last - can't last. As I've said before, even Nokia will have to make changes to the design of the SIM port when they stop making removable batteries and use metal chassis's for their phones. Perhaps they'll create a new SIM door patent for use with metal phones? Wait, what I am thinking. I meant Apple will do that, because Nokia is too stuck in the past to do something creative like that.
Actually you were suggesting that, and if you don't read the SIM patents Nokia has how can you make a valid comment?
Why did you keep purchasing crappy phones for daughter? I have never lost a sim cover, or battery cover, in fact I have never met a single person who has.
Also, Nokia has been producing phones with non-removable batteries for a while now. Again if you don't know anything about a subject, how can you make a valid comment about that subject?
Actually you were suggesting that, and if you don't read the SIM patents Nokia has how can you make a valid comment?
Why did you keep purchasing crappy phones for daughter? I have never lost a sim cover, or battery cover, in fact I have never met a single person who has.
Also, Nokia has been producing phones with non-removable batteries for a while now. Again if you don't know anything about a subject, how can you make a valid comment about that subject?
If I were to elaborate on every particular point, my posts would be even longer than they are now. So, let me assume the Nokia patent is not just a patent for the design of the SIM, it goes into how the SIM works. That being said, Apple's SIM design is change to the design, not the functioning electronics of the SIM, which Nokia would still hold the patent on.
When you have young kids, broken phones are an expectation. All my kids have pulled the sim or micro usb port covers off - because they aren't careful. For the phones they've had with removable batteries, they F around with the cover, for whatever reason, until it stops staying on the phone. It's just the way it is with kids. I held off for a long time on letting them get phones, knowing this would happen, but in today's day and age, I need to be able to contact them as much as they want to be in contact with their friends. I'm not talking specifically about Nokia batteries - never said I was.
You seem to be making comments about things you don't know about either. Funny how that happens on boards like this.
I agree - Apple needs to just push forward with the no-SIM option. They have the clout to force the telcos to get in line. Heck, the have the power to effect a change with other handset makers at this point. Frankly, I think the idea of consumers being able to change from one provider to another won't result in great churn rates. It will if the provider isn't providing good service, sure, but I'm not interested in changing providers just because. And you'd think the idea of eliminating handset subsidies would only be a good thing for the telcos (other than the fact that then they can't bundle in the cost and might have to lower their rates). And once Apple forces this to happen, they can do the same to broadcast tv and keep those who don't give a crap about watching sports on tv from paying for the ridiculous athletic salaries through their cable subscription. Charge me for what I watch, when I watch it and I'd be completely happy, just like I get charged for my phone use.
They don't have that power. When Apple proposed it, the organization that controls this supported it as well, but the European carriers were livid over it. No way were they going to agree to it. Sometimes a line in the sand is drawn, and it has to be respected.
I have a cheap Nokia laying around, it has a push-push slot for the microSD-card on the side. The slot doesn't have a door, it's simply below the battery cover, which is very easy to open/close. This is the best design even for SIM card slots, IMO. No possibility for dirt entering, easy to open without tools, completely hidden from the outside of the phone.
In this talk about battery covers, it should be kept in mind that fewer phones over time come with replaceable batteries. At some point, there will be almost none. That time could come in just another couple of years, or so. I'm pretty sure manufacturers know this.
And here I was thinking Nokia's objection was Apple was trying to devalue their current IP around SIM cards and in turn reduce how much money they pay Nokia. Remove your fanaticism from the situation and rethink this.
This is just for the shape of the card, not the work done for the content. Nokia has announced that they will be attempting to make their patent portfolio bring home more money. How well they will succeed is another question. They were ticked off because they said that Apple was bluffing and had no IP involving this. Apparently they hadn't kept track because Apple was granted a patent on this recently.
Here we have all the people stating how terrible patents are because companies charge for their use. Now that Apple has stated that there won't be any royalties for the use of theirs, you are riled up about that too? Perhaps Nokia shouldn't be getting any royalties for this.
first off, it is a proposal not a patented design. And it's a proposal for a standard meaning Apple wants folks to copy it.
second, instead of making jokes you should be applauding that Moto and Rim are willing to work with Apple's idea rather than continuing to simply push their own. Seems to me that this is a very good compromise that addresses the only valid argument they had against the Apple proposal. So good that I suspect that Apple will find no fault with it and agree to it.
Apple has patents in this area. They've said that they will license them for free.
But you can switch even with a Sim. pop out one sim card and pop in another and you have switched.
The only way to prevent switching is to lock the baseband in some way that no one can every unlock it (which is just a dare to get someone to prove yes it can be), crazy ass ETF fees with some kind of incentive like discounts for being a long time subscriber (cutting activation fees for new handsets wouldn't hurt either) etc.
Or you can do like Verizon and Sprint which is to use totally different MEID numbering systems so that there's no id that can be moved between systems. That will work great if you can get the hardware companies on board since they will have to program your numbers into the phones they are making for you.
Not having to carry around a SIM wallet, and having to take them out, and put them back is a far greater pain than just tapping on your screen a few times. It could also be quicker to recognize the new carrier.
In this talk about battery covers, it should be kept in mind that fewer phones over time come with replaceable batteries. At some point, there will be almost none. That time could come in just another couple of years, or so. I'm pretty sure manufacturers know this.
I understand that. The take home message should be that covers aren't necessarily flimsy; a sturdy cover can be designed for a SIM slot that could also cover other exposed parts of the phone, such as slots for connectors, lenses, etc.
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Originally Posted by melgross
Apple has patents in this area. They've said that they will license them for free.
True that Apple has newly-granted patents regarding SIMs; however Apple would reportedly only license its patents for free "provided that Apple's proposal is adopted as a standard and that all other patent holders accept the same terms in accordance with the principle of reciprocity" -- cited from http://www.fosspatents.com/2012/03/apple-offers-royalty-free-license-to.html
It is therefore understandable that Nokia would disagree to a reciprocal royalty-free licensing if it feels that its IP is more valuable. My personal view is that consumers benefit most from royalty-free cross-licensing, but Nokia has the right to profit from its IP just like any other company that has spent resources on R&D.
If I were to elaborate on every particular point, my posts would be even longer than they are now. So, let me assume the Nokia patent is not just a patent for the design of the SIM, it goes into how the SIM works. That being said, Apple's SIM design is change to the design, not the functioning electronics of the SIM, which Nokia would still hold the patent on.
When you have young kids, broken phones are an expectation. All my kids have pulled the sim or micro usb port covers off - because they aren't careful. For the phones they've had with removable batteries, they F around with the cover, for whatever reason, until it stops staying on the phone. It's just the way it is with kids. I held off for a long time on letting them get phones, knowing this would happen, but in today's day and age, I need to be able to contact them as much as they want to be in contact with their friends. I'm not talking specifically about Nokia batteries - never said I was.
You seem to be making comments about things you don't know about either. Funny how that happens on boards like this.
Hmm, that's funny, none of my kids ever broke the SIM covers, or micro USB covers on their phones, maybe they were just taught to take care of their gear, or maybe I didn't buy them cheap crap. Either way, tell your kids to take better care of their stuff, or don't let them have them.
I know about this subject, like I said, my kids have had phones for years, they haven't broken them in the manner you have talked about, the only thing funny is you are still talking about stuff you don't know.
This is just for the shape of the card, not the work done for the content. Nokia has announced that they will be attempting to make their patent portfolio bring home more money. How well they will succeed is another question. They were ticked off because they said that Apple was bluffing and had no IP involving this. Apparently they hadn't kept track because Apple was granted a patent on this recently.
Here we have all the people stating how terrible patents are because companies charge for their use. Now that Apple has stated that there won't be any royalties for the use of theirs, you are riled up about that too? Perhaps Nokia shouldn't be getting any royalties for this.
Apple have stated there won't be royalties for theirs if the others don't charge royalties for their existing patents. Or are you forgetting this bit?
I understand that. The take home message should be that covers aren't necessarily flimsy; a sturdy cover can be designed for a SIM slot that could also cover other exposed parts of the phone, such as slots for connectors, lenses, etc.
True that Apple has newly-granted patents regarding SIMs; however Apple would reportedly only license its patents for free "provided that Apple's proposal is adopted as a standard and that all other patent holders accept the same terms in accordance with the principle of reciprocity" -- cited from http://www.fosspatents.com/2012/03/apple-offers-royalty-free-license-to.html
It is therefore understandable that Nokia would disagree to a reciprocal royalty-free licensing if it feels that its IP is more valuable. My personal view is that consumers benefit most from royalty-free cross-licensing, but Nokia has the right to profit from its IP just like any other company that has spent resources on R&D.
It makes sense that Apple would license it for free if companies accepted it. After all, if they didn't, it wouldn't be used, would it? So that's not really an argument.
But Nokia threatened to withdraw its 50 patents if Apple's proposal was accepted. Now that being threatening!
And most all of Nokia's patents aren't threatened by this proposal. It's just sour grapes.
Apple have stated there won't be royalties for theirs if the others don't charge royalties for their existing patents. Or are you forgetting this bit?
I would have to see a quote on that. This patent has nothing to do with most of those other stents. If those patents are regarding shape, then yes, I would expect Apple to say that. But as Apple isn't even changing the configuration of the pads, what they're doing wont affect much else. This entire fight is about the shape of the SIM.
And if those other companies REALLY believe that their IP is being threatened by Apple's declaration, they can refuse to license for free whatever patents might be effected, and let Apple join their club, and license theirs.
I would have to see a quote on that. This patent has nothing to do with most of those other stents. If those patents are regarding shape, then yes, I would expect Apple to say that. But as Apple isn't even changing the configuration of the pads, what they're doing wont affect much else. This entire fight is about the shape of the SIM.
And if those other companies REALLY believe that their IP is being threatened by Apple's declaration, they can refuse to license for free whatever patents might be effected, and let Apple join their club, and license theirs.
This is a non issue.
I already provided the link to FOSSpatents above claiming that Apple only offers the SIM design for free upon reciprocal use of the rest of the SIM patents.
Here's a link with Nokia's reaction: http://news.idg.no/cw/art.cfm?id=2006908F-E352-3469-02E5D2AAC3587FF0 -- it doesn't appear to be a non-issue, at least according to Nokia. Also of note is that they speak about "essential" SIM patents, which makes the recently granted patents to Apple that you linked to earlier largely irrelevant in Nokia's opinion.
I already provided the link to FOSSpatents above claiming that Apple only offers the SIM design for free upon reciprocal use of the rest of the SIM patents.
Here's a link with Nokia's reaction: http://news.idg.no/cw/art.cfm?id=2006908F-E352-3469-02E5D2AAC3587FF0 -- it doesn't appear to be a non-issue, at least according to Nokia. Also of note is that they speak about "essential" SIM patents, which makes the recently granted patents to Apple that you linked to earlier largely irrelevant in Nokia's opinion.
Nokia is desperate. Their opinion is the one that doesn't count. And the article doesn't say that all SIM patents would be affected. There seems to be some agreements among several phone makers now, and it looks as though this will go through. As I stated earlier, if these other companies don't want to give the relevant IP for free, then Apple can license theirs for a price as well. This is a no brainer.
Nokia is desperate. Their opinion is the one that doesn't count. And the article doesn't say that all SIM patents would be affected. There seems to be some agreements among several phone makers now, and it looks as though this will go through. As I stated earlier, if these other companies don't want to give the relevant IP for free, then Apple can license theirs for a price as well. This is a no brainer.
Nokia protecting their IP is desperate? What is it called when Apple tries to do the same?
Nokia protecting their IP is desperate? What is it called when Apple tries to do the same?
The difference, in this case, is the use of the IP. They want their stuff reprotected so that people have to keep paying them to use something as simple as a SIM card.
The difference, in this case, is the use of the IP. They want their stuff reprotected so that people have to keep paying them to use something as simple as a SIM card.
Really? Next you will say Apple should have to pay for access to patents for something as simple as GSM.
Also, maybe we should have a look at the simpicity of Apples patents before making such wild statements
Really? Next you will say Apple should have to pay for access to patents for something as simple as GSM.
To my knowledge, the difference in this case is that Apple's solution ignores the established patents, making the solution less expensive. I haven't been following this one as closely as I would have liked, so I could very well be generalizing.
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Originally Posted by Misa
Not quite.
Without the sim "lock" people can switch carriers easily. Removing the SIM, which is a key part of the GSM family, makes it easy for the devices to be cloned.
That's not really accurate. Perhaps with flip phones where everything can be saved to the sim in terms of contacts. but with smart phones, the amount of data is way more than a SIM card could handle. Which is why you 'clone' via things like iTunes and iCloud backups and the Android version of such. The SIM card is just about your service. But you can log onto your billing site for things like Verizon and Sprint and attach a new MEID to your phone number. And just as easily take off your current MEID so I can put the same one on my account after I hand you the cash you demanded for the phone.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Do they not have paper clips in Asia?
Safety pins work better. They tend to be smaller and you can clip it to the inside of your bag so it doesn't get lost. And since your mama taught you to always have a safety pin or two on you, especially when traveling, in case you lose a button in some vulgar spot (like the button that keeps your boobs showing or your fly closed), you already have it on you. Well if you have my mother, who yes still texts me to ask if I put on clean underwear.
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Originally Posted by jmgregory1
First of all, I wasn't suggesting that there is only one reason Apple was proposing a change to the SIM standard. Second, without reading the SIM patent(s) that Nokia holds, I wouldn't make assumptions that it's all about a design patent for the size and shape of a SIM. Apple may have to pay a licensing fee regardless of the size/shape of the SIM, but again, I'm not reading Nokia's patents to confirm this.
My point is that Apple is one of the few companies out there that try to make things better, not just settle for how things were done in the past. I'm not an Apple fanatic, but rather a design and technology fanatic. Just from my own personal experience and that of seeing first hand what happens when you use the old rubber gasket design SIM cover or worse, the behind the battery design, tells me there has to be a better way. Not only have I had old feature phones where the SIM covers broke off or the battery covers stopped staying on the phone, I see my kid's feature phones all have this exact problem. My daughter went through 4 phones in the past 2 years, finally upgrading to an iP4. Each one of her crappy feature phones lost the SIM covers or had missing battery covers.
So Nokia wants to just keep using what they have - great thinking. So they want to hold on to their patent so that they can make money somehow - but this won't last - can't last. As I've said before, even Nokia will have to make changes to the design of the SIM port when they stop making removable batteries and use metal chassis's for their phones. Perhaps they'll create a new SIM door patent for use with metal phones? Wait, what I am thinking. I meant Apple will do that, because Nokia is too stuck in the past to do something creative like that.
Actually you were suggesting that, and if you don't read the SIM patents Nokia has how can you make a valid comment?
Why did you keep purchasing crappy phones for daughter? I have never lost a sim cover, or battery cover, in fact I have never met a single person who has.
Also, Nokia has been producing phones with non-removable batteries for a while now. Again if you don't know anything about a subject, how can you make a valid comment about that subject?
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Originally Posted by jfanning
Actually you were suggesting that, and if you don't read the SIM patents Nokia has how can you make a valid comment?
Why did you keep purchasing crappy phones for daughter? I have never lost a sim cover, or battery cover, in fact I have never met a single person who has.
Also, Nokia has been producing phones with non-removable batteries for a while now. Again if you don't know anything about a subject, how can you make a valid comment about that subject?
If I were to elaborate on every particular point, my posts would be even longer than they are now. So, let me assume the Nokia patent is not just a patent for the design of the SIM, it goes into how the SIM works. That being said, Apple's SIM design is change to the design, not the functioning electronics of the SIM, which Nokia would still hold the patent on.
When you have young kids, broken phones are an expectation. All my kids have pulled the sim or micro usb port covers off - because they aren't careful. For the phones they've had with removable batteries, they F around with the cover, for whatever reason, until it stops staying on the phone. It's just the way it is with kids. I held off for a long time on letting them get phones, knowing this would happen, but in today's day and age, I need to be able to contact them as much as they want to be in contact with their friends. I'm not talking specifically about Nokia batteries - never said I was.
You seem to be making comments about things you don't know about either. Funny how that happens on boards like this.
They don't have that power. When Apple proposed it, the organization that controls this supported it as well, but the European carriers were livid over it. No way were they going to agree to it. Sometimes a line in the sand is drawn, and it has to be respected.
In this talk about battery covers, it should be kept in mind that fewer phones over time come with replaceable batteries. At some point, there will be almost none. That time could come in just another couple of years, or so. I'm pretty sure manufacturers know this.
This is just for the shape of the card, not the work done for the content. Nokia has announced that they will be attempting to make their patent portfolio bring home more money. How well they will succeed is another question. They were ticked off because they said that Apple was bluffing and had no IP involving this. Apparently they hadn't kept track because Apple was granted a patent on this recently.
Here we have all the people stating how terrible patents are because companies charge for their use. Now that Apple has stated that there won't be any royalties for the use of theirs, you are riled up about that too? Perhaps Nokia shouldn't be getting any royalties for this.
Apple has patents in this area. They've said that they will license them for free.
http://www.patentlyapple.com/patently-apple/2012/03/apple-wins-patent-relating-to-nano-sim-and-iwallet-chip.html
This one is more relevant to this dispute:
http://www.patentlyapple.com/patently-apple/2012/04/the-perfect-timing-of-apples-new-micro-sim-connector-patent.html
Not having to carry around a SIM wallet, and having to take them out, and put them back is a far greater pain than just tapping on your screen a few times. It could also be quicker to recognize the new carrier.
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Originally Posted by melgross
In this talk about battery covers, it should be kept in mind that fewer phones over time come with replaceable batteries. At some point, there will be almost none. That time could come in just another couple of years, or so. I'm pretty sure manufacturers know this.
I understand that. The take home message should be that covers aren't necessarily flimsy; a sturdy cover can be designed for a SIM slot that could also cover other exposed parts of the phone, such as slots for connectors, lenses, etc.
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Originally Posted by melgross
Apple has patents in this area. They've said that they will license them for free.
http://www.patentlyapple.com/patently-apple/2012/03/apple-wins-patent-relating-to-nano-sim-and-iwallet-chip.html
This one is more relevant to this dispute:
http://www.patentlyapple.com/patently-apple/2012/04/the-perfect-timing-of-apples-new-micro-sim-connector-patent.html
True that Apple has newly-granted patents regarding SIMs; however Apple would reportedly only license its patents for free "provided that Apple's proposal is adopted as a standard and that all other patent holders accept the same terms in accordance with the principle of reciprocity" -- cited from http://www.fosspatents.com/2012/03/apple-offers-royalty-free-license-to.html
It is therefore understandable that Nokia would disagree to a reciprocal royalty-free licensing if it feels that its IP is more valuable. My personal view is that consumers benefit most from royalty-free cross-licensing, but Nokia has the right to profit from its IP just like any other company that has spent resources on R&D.
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Originally Posted by jmgregory1
If I were to elaborate on every particular point, my posts would be even longer than they are now. So, let me assume the Nokia patent is not just a patent for the design of the SIM, it goes into how the SIM works. That being said, Apple's SIM design is change to the design, not the functioning electronics of the SIM, which Nokia would still hold the patent on.
When you have young kids, broken phones are an expectation. All my kids have pulled the sim or micro usb port covers off - because they aren't careful. For the phones they've had with removable batteries, they F around with the cover, for whatever reason, until it stops staying on the phone. It's just the way it is with kids. I held off for a long time on letting them get phones, knowing this would happen, but in today's day and age, I need to be able to contact them as much as they want to be in contact with their friends. I'm not talking specifically about Nokia batteries - never said I was.
You seem to be making comments about things you don't know about either. Funny how that happens on boards like this.
Hmm, that's funny, none of my kids ever broke the SIM covers, or micro USB covers on their phones, maybe they were just taught to take care of their gear, or maybe I didn't buy them cheap crap. Either way, tell your kids to take better care of their stuff, or don't let them have them.
I know about this subject, like I said, my kids have had phones for years, they haven't broken them in the manner you have talked about, the only thing funny is you are still talking about stuff you don't know.
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Originally Posted by melgross
This is just for the shape of the card, not the work done for the content. Nokia has announced that they will be attempting to make their patent portfolio bring home more money. How well they will succeed is another question. They were ticked off because they said that Apple was bluffing and had no IP involving this. Apparently they hadn't kept track because Apple was granted a patent on this recently.
Here we have all the people stating how terrible patents are because companies charge for their use. Now that Apple has stated that there won't be any royalties for the use of theirs, you are riled up about that too? Perhaps Nokia shouldn't be getting any royalties for this.
Apple have stated there won't be royalties for theirs if the others don't charge royalties for their existing patents. Or are you forgetting this bit?
It makes sense that Apple would license it for free if companies accepted it. After all, if they didn't, it wouldn't be used, would it? So that's not really an argument.
But Nokia threatened to withdraw its 50 patents if Apple's proposal was accepted. Now that being threatening!
And most all of Nokia's patents aren't threatened by this proposal. It's just sour grapes.
I would have to see a quote on that. This patent has nothing to do with most of those other stents. If those patents are regarding shape, then yes, I would expect Apple to say that. But as Apple isn't even changing the configuration of the pads, what they're doing wont affect much else. This entire fight is about the shape of the SIM.
And if those other companies REALLY believe that their IP is being threatened by Apple's declaration, they can refuse to license for free whatever patents might be effected, and let Apple join their club, and license theirs.
This is a non issue.
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Originally Posted by melgross
I would have to see a quote on that. This patent has nothing to do with most of those other stents. If those patents are regarding shape, then yes, I would expect Apple to say that. But as Apple isn't even changing the configuration of the pads, what they're doing wont affect much else. This entire fight is about the shape of the SIM.
And if those other companies REALLY believe that their IP is being threatened by Apple's declaration, they can refuse to license for free whatever patents might be effected, and let Apple join their club, and license theirs.
This is a non issue.
I already provided the link to FOSSpatents above claiming that Apple only offers the SIM design for free upon reciprocal use of the rest of the SIM patents.
Here's a link with Nokia's reaction: http://news.idg.no/cw/art.cfm?id=2006908F-E352-3469-02E5D2AAC3587FF0 -- it doesn't appear to be a non-issue, at least according to Nokia. Also of note is that they speak about "essential" SIM patents, which makes the recently granted patents to Apple that you linked to earlier largely irrelevant in Nokia's opinion.
Nokia is desperate. Their opinion is the one that doesn't count. And the article doesn't say that all SIM patents would be affected. There seems to be some agreements among several phone makers now, and it looks as though this will go through. As I stated earlier, if these other companies don't want to give the relevant IP for free, then Apple can license theirs for a price as well. This is a no brainer.
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Originally Posted by melgross
Nokia is desperate. Their opinion is the one that doesn't count. And the article doesn't say that all SIM patents would be affected. There seems to be some agreements among several phone makers now, and it looks as though this will go through. As I stated earlier, if these other companies don't want to give the relevant IP for free, then Apple can license theirs for a price as well. This is a no brainer.
Nokia protecting their IP is desperate? What is it called when Apple tries to do the same?
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Originally Posted by jfanning
Nokia protecting their IP is desperate? What is it called when Apple tries to do the same?
The difference, in this case, is the use of the IP. They want their stuff reprotected so that people have to keep paying them to use something as simple as a SIM card.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
The difference, in this case, is the use of the IP. They want their stuff reprotected so that people have to keep paying them to use something as simple as a SIM card.
Really? Next you will say Apple should have to pay for access to patents for something as simple as GSM.
Also, maybe we should have a look at the simpicity of Apples patents before making such wild statements
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Originally Posted by jfanning
Really? Next you will say Apple should have to pay for access to patents for something as simple as GSM.
To my knowledge, the difference in this case is that Apple's solution ignores the established patents, making the solution less expensive. I haven't been following this one as closely as I would have liked, so I could very well be generalizing.