I have ONE reason to jailbreak. I was in contract with AT&T for 18 months before I got moved out of the country. We paid TWO $350 cancellation fees for two separate iPhone 3GS'. But the bastards still control my phone because I have to "cheat" to use a product I OWN but is being held hostage. If I could carrier unlock without jb'ing I would. When the iPhone 5 comes out I will be replacing these with a two factory unlocked phones.
Oh, my therapist tells me I'm almost over it. Haha!
There is/was a small group of people on this forum that thought the only reason people jail broke their devices was to steal apps. They argued that everything you needed to do could be done with the apps and that Jailbreaking was illegal.
At first I thought they were simply trolling the forum but eventual decided they were sincear in their beliefs.
We are sincere in our belief that one of the reasons most (92%) people jailbreak is to pirate apps because the evidence is in our favor.
I don't consider the App Store a "jail." It's the best software store so far invented. But if it's not enough for you then by all means hack your phone.
I have ONE reason to jailbreak. I was in contract with AT&T for 18 months before I got moved out of the country. We paid TWO $350 cancellation fees for two separate iPhone 3GS'. But the bastards still control my phone because I have to "cheat" to use a product I OWN but is being held hostage. If I could carrier unlock without jb'ing I would. When the iPhone 5 comes out I will be replacing these with a two factory unlocked phones.
Oh, my therapist tells me I'm almost over it. Haha!
Those rotten greedy Mother Frackers. I bought the first iphone used just as the 3G model were announced. Made sure that mobile data was off. Everything was cool for about 8 months until they figured out I had an iPhone without a data plan. Att forced me take a data plan or they were going to shut down my service. I really couldn't afford it at the time but had that number for years so I had no choice. I make damn sure I use at least three gigs of data a month but not more than 5 every single month.
I don't consider the App Store a "jail." It's the best software store so far invented. But if it's not enough for you then by all means hack your phone.
Sometimes it's just about tweaking the phone the way you want it, not about adding new software.
We are sincere in our belief that one of the reasons people jailbreak is to pirate apps because the evidence is in our favor.
Sure - one of the reasons. But only one, for some people. Some people use knives to stab people, but that isn't a good reason to oppose the manufacture or possession of knives full stop.
It's more like one of the reasons some people jailbreak is to pirate apps.
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Originally Posted by Euphonious
Sure - one of the reasons. But only one, for some people. Some people use knives to stab people, but that isn't a good reason to oppose the manufacture or possession of knives full stop.
When did 92% become "some?" I clearly state that piracy is only one reason but clearly a very popular reason for the vast majority of jailbreakers.
When did 92% become "some?" I clearly state that piracy is only one reason but clearly a very popular reason for the vast majority of jailbreakers.
That's logically flawed. The fact that 92% of users of a paid jailbreak app pirated it doesn't mean that 92% of jailbreakers are app pirates. For one thing, it's only a single data point. For another, lots of people only use jailbreak tweaks which are free. Those people wouldn't show up in those kind of stats on either side.
Anyway: some people like jailbreaking, some people don't. Should we leave it there? I get the feeling all the points in this argument have been made lots of times before.
If Apple would remove all legitimate reasons for jailbreaking by providing the missing functionalities, then only illegitimate reasons for jailbreaking would be left.
We are sincere in our belief that one of the reasons people jailbreak is to pirate apps because the evidence is in our favor.
That's fine, I believe that some people Jailbreak simply to be able to steal apps. Unfortunately, last time this was being debated the argument was everybody or nearly every jail breaker was a thief. Period. That i do not believe to be true.
Just speculating here, but I guess that in the us most app thieves are college students or younger. Probably don't yet fully understand that they are stealing and that developers are hurt by this theft or why it should matter to them.
For me .99 to $4.99 for good games and utilities is money well spent. Hell the $50 I spent on the Tomtom app for my iPhone was well spent as I got a free upgrade from them when I added it to my iPad. Morals aside, my time is far more valuable to me than spend hours searching out how to steal that $5 game. I would believe that for many (but not all) adults feel the same.
That's logically flawed. The fact that 92% of users of a paid jailbreak app pirated it doesn't mean that 92% of jailbreakers are app pirates. For one thing, it's only a single data point.
Free jailbreak tweaks are meaningless and have nothing to do with this argument.
Other data points would have to come with applications from the App Store AND from the Cydia Store. I'm certain they're out there. While 92% piracy seems like a fringe case, I can assure you that 8% piracy is as well.
If Apple would remove all legitimate reasons for jailbreaking by providing the missing functionalities, then only illegitimate reasons for jailbreaking would be left.
Maybe. The list of legitimate reasons for jailbreaking is pretty vast, though. The only way Apple could cover them all would be to make iOS as customisable as Android. That would come with all the disadvantages of Android, and isn't really what anybody wants. I think jailbreaking will continue to exist as a happy medium.
Free jailbreak tweaks are meaningless and have nothing to do with this argument.
Can you elaborate as to why they are meaningless? Pulling some figures out of the air, if 90% of jailbreak users only used free tweaks, that would change the face of the piracy argument dramatically, compared to if only 9% of users did. It would imply that a smaller/greater proportion of jailbreakers were pirates, respectively.
Maybe. The list of legitimate reasons for jailbreaking is pretty vast, though. The only way Apple could cover them all would be to make iOS as customisable as Android. That would come will all the disadvantages of Android, and isn't really what anybody wants. I think jailbreaking will continue to exist as a happy medium.
How do you know what anybody wants except yourself? You don't speak for me..
I want to be able to choose any SMS tone I want and jailbreaking makes this possible but I wish Apple would open up this kind of functionality.
How do you know what anybody wants except yourself? You don't speak for me..
I wasn't attempting to speak for you, or any one person in particular.
My point was that everybody jailbreaks for different reasons, and if Apple accommodated all of those options within iOS, it would just make the OS more like Android, which isn't what iPhone users want. Each person wants an OS which is fundamentally iOS, but customised for their own specific want.
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All done. SBSettings, Zephyr, FiveIconDock and TetherMe are my main reasons to jailbreak.
Oh, my therapist tells me I'm almost over it. Haha!
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Originally Posted by bigdaddyp
There is/was a small group of people on this forum that thought the only reason people jail broke their devices was to steal apps. They argued that everything you needed to do could be done with the apps and that Jailbreaking was illegal.
At first I thought they were simply trolling the forum but eventual decided they were sincear in their beliefs.
We are sincere in our belief that one of the reasons most (92%) people jailbreak is to pirate apps because the evidence is in our favor.
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Originally Posted by MacBook Pro
We are sincere in our belief that one of the reasons people jailbreak is to pirate apps because the evidence is in our favor.
It's more like one of the reasons some people jailbreak is to pirate apps.
I don't consider the App Store a "jail." It's the best software store so far invented. But if it's not enough for you then by all means hack your phone.
Those rotten greedy Mother Frackers. I bought the first iphone used just as the 3G model were announced. Made sure that mobile data was off. Everything was cool for about 8 months until they figured out I had an iPhone without a data plan. Att forced me take a data plan or they were going to shut down my service. I really couldn't afford it at the time but had that number for years so I had no choice. I make damn sure I use at least three gigs of data a month but not more than 5 every single month.
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Originally Posted by ascii
I don't consider the App Store a "jail." It's the best software store so far invented. But if it's not enough for you then by all means hack your phone.
Sometimes it's just about tweaking the phone the way you want it, not about adding new software.
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Originally Posted by MacBook Pro
We are sincere in our belief that one of the reasons people jailbreak is to pirate apps because the evidence is in our favor.
Sure - one of the reasons. But only one, for some people. Some people use knives to stab people, but that isn't a good reason to oppose the manufacture or possession of knives full stop.
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Originally Posted by fredaroony
It's more like one of the reasons some people jailbreak is to pirate apps.
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Originally Posted by Euphonious
Sure - one of the reasons. But only one, for some people. Some people use knives to stab people, but that isn't a good reason to oppose the manufacture or possession of knives full stop.
When did 92% become "some?" I clearly state that piracy is only one reason but clearly a very popular reason for the vast majority of jailbreakers.
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Originally Posted by MacBook Pro
We are sincere in our belief that one of the reasons most (92%) people jailbreak is to pirate apps because the evidence is in our favor.
I would hardly call what you provided as hard evidence just because a couple developers said so. Maybe it's true, maybe it isn't...
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Originally Posted by MacBook Pro
When did 92% become "some?" I clearly state that piracy is only one reason but clearly a very popular reason for the vast majority of jailbreakers.
That's logically flawed. The fact that 92% of users of a paid jailbreak app pirated it doesn't mean that 92% of jailbreakers are app pirates. For one thing, it's only a single data point. For another, lots of people only use jailbreak tweaks which are free. Those people wouldn't show up in those kind of stats on either side.
Anyway: some people like jailbreaking, some people don't. Should we leave it there? I get the feeling all the points in this argument have been made lots of times before.
If Apple would remove all legitimate reasons for jailbreaking by providing the missing functionalities, then only illegitimate reasons for jailbreaking would be left.
That's fine, I believe that some people Jailbreak simply to be able to steal apps. Unfortunately, last time this was being debated the argument was everybody or nearly every jail breaker was a thief. Period. That i do not believe to be true.
Just speculating here, but I guess that in the us most app thieves are college students or younger. Probably don't yet fully understand that they are stealing and that developers are hurt by this theft or why it should matter to them.
For me .99 to $4.99 for good games and utilities is money well spent. Hell the $50 I spent on the Tomtom app for my iPhone was well spent as I got a free upgrade from them when I added it to my iPad. Morals aside, my time is far more valuable to me than spend hours searching out how to steal that $5 game. I would believe that for many (but not all) adults feel the same.
Has anyone tried the jailbreak without deleting all of their settings?
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Originally Posted by Euphonious
That's logically flawed. The fact that 92% of users of a paid jailbreak app pirated it doesn't mean that 92% of jailbreakers are app pirates. For one thing, it's only a single data point.
Free jailbreak tweaks are meaningless and have nothing to do with this argument.
Other data points would have to come with applications from the App Store AND from the Cydia Store. I'm certain they're out there. While 92% piracy seems like a fringe case, I can assure you that 8% piracy is as well.
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Originally Posted by TheCiscoKid85
Has anyone tried the jailbreak without deleting all of their settings?
Yep it worked for me on first go. I did have the reboot a couple times before Cydia worked properly.
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Originally Posted by DrDoppio
If Apple would remove all legitimate reasons for jailbreaking by providing the missing functionalities, then only illegitimate reasons for jailbreaking would be left.
Maybe. The list of legitimate reasons for jailbreaking is pretty vast, though. The only way Apple could cover them all would be to make iOS as customisable as Android. That would come with all the disadvantages of Android, and isn't really what anybody wants. I think jailbreaking will continue to exist as a happy medium.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Free jailbreak tweaks are meaningless and have nothing to do with this argument.
Can you elaborate as to why they are meaningless? Pulling some figures out of the air, if 90% of jailbreak users only used free tweaks, that would change the face of the piracy argument dramatically, compared to if only 9% of users did. It would imply that a smaller/greater proportion of jailbreakers were pirates, respectively.
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Originally Posted by Euphonious
Maybe. The list of legitimate reasons for jailbreaking is pretty vast, though. The only way Apple could cover them all would be to make iOS as customisable as Android. That would come will all the disadvantages of Android, and isn't really what anybody wants. I think jailbreaking will continue to exist as a happy medium.
How do you know what anybody wants except yourself? You don't speak for me..
I want to be able to choose any SMS tone I want and jailbreaking makes this possible but I wish Apple would open up this kind of functionality.
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Originally Posted by fredaroony
How do you know what anybody wants except yourself? You don't speak for me..
I wasn't attempting to speak for you, or any one person in particular.
My point was that everybody jailbreaks for different reasons, and if Apple accommodated all of those options within iOS, it would just make the OS more like Android, which isn't what iPhone users want. Each person wants an OS which is fundamentally iOS, but customised for their own specific want.