When AirPlay was first demoed there were quickly published code example how to access the APIs. I think anyone should be able to use those APIs as well as the AirPrint APIs and FaceTime both of which they promised to open but never did.
I wonder if iOS 6 will include a line like, "AirPlay everything, everywhere." or something.
The current crop -- Forstall included -- are below-par presenters. They come through as nice guys in front of an audience, but convey no great sense of passion, timing, irony, impishness, or humor.
I can do it. Honestly. I've legitimately RDF'd more than a few people. I can do the presenting. Of course I'll probably have to have some sort of other credential to be there… Maybe I have one left…
You can introduce the 16:9 iPhone 5 and the Apple television set and iPhone mini and Mac mini-tower.
It will be a team effort. Tim will do the intro, Phil will introduce the new Macs, and Scott will introduce iOS 6. If for some reason Scott doesn't introduce iOS 6, we will know for sure he is on the outer. Maybe Federighi will do a Mountain Lion update.
I'm not sure about this. I've only started using Apple products since 2009 with the iPhone 3G, now the proud owner of a 4S, but I've seen the keynotes and if I had to rank the presenters, I'd say the go like this:
1) Steve Jobs, I see what they mean by the reality distortion field.
2) Scott Forstall, I think his iOS 5 presentation was brilliant and the closest to the Steve Jobs effect I've ever seen.
3) Phil Schiller, but I don't feel like I need to buy what he's selling...
4) The Head of Internet Services guy...
What do you guys think?
Actually, nothing personal to Phil Schiller because I don't know him personally, but from a public view point, ability to engage the audience in discussing products, I think Jonathan Ives is the guy. He can be captivating to listen to and does have the title Sir, so that might help them in the "spokesperson" for speaking engagements. The only problem is that Ives heads up Industrial Design and Schiller heads of Worldwide Marketing and since Jobs was more of a marketing type person than a engineer type, that's probably why they are choosing Schiller because this is more of a marketing type position. So from that standpoint it makes sense to have Schiller do it. Tim Cook is the CEO and even though CEOs have their position, sometimes it's is better for certain engagements to let the Marketing and Engineering people do their thing when applicable.
This is good news. Schiller is a very good presenter. I like Tim Cook, too. He's been an excellent CEO and before that did an amazing job standing in for Steve Jobs while he was on medical leave. However, as far as presentations are concerned, I'd rather watch paint dry. Tim isn't exactly Mr. Excitement.
As long as they let Jony keep his public persona and give interviews and the like I'm OK if he doesn't do keynotes as Presenting is clearly not his thing. Though I get more passion from the interviews he gives then I ever get with keynotes from Cook, Schiller and crew. Or interviews with Cook for that matter. I find Tim Cook incredibly boring.
Specifications speak for themselves. If specifications do not deliver, it doesn't really matter who delivers the keynote whether it's Scott, Bob, Tim, Jony, the 1998 Denver Broncos, and so forth.
Specifications speak for themselves. If specifications do not deliver, it doesn't really matter who delivers the keynote…
"Hi, everyone, and welcome to Apple Inc. where everything's made up and the specs don't matter. That's right, the specs are like Android's profits to fandroids… they just don't matter."
I like Phil Schiller. It will likely be a team effort. Cook needs to present some financial and sales updates. Scott Forstall does great with his iOS stuff. Phil can be peppered here and there for anything else. He is not cool like Jobs but he does have enthusiasm. And when my 12 year old son and I watch the keynotes, big Phil gets his vote.
Cook is a presentation nightmare but he still beats Gil Amelio.
Last night I watched all Steve's appearances on All Things Digital with Walt. I was surprised to hear certain phrases repeated, almost word for word, over the years. But I kinda like that. His references to hollywood executives as orifices was brilliant.
I like Phil Schiller. It will likely be a team effort. Cook needs to present some financial and sales updates. Scott Forstall does great with his iOS stuff. Phil can be peppered here and there for anything else. He is not cool like Jobs but he does have enthusiasm. And when my 12 year old son and I watch the keynotes, big Phil gets his vote.
Cook is a presentation nightmare but he still beats Gil Amelio.
Last night I watched all Steve's appearances on All Things Digital with Walt. I was surprised to hear certain phrases repeated, almost word for word, over the years. But I kinda like that. His references to hollywood executives as orifices was brilliant.
Well, at least they don't have Gore as Apple's spokesperson. Oh God. he'll talk about the Information Superhighway and Global Warming until we pay him NOT to talk about it.
"Hi, everyone, and welcome to Apple Inc. where everything's made up and the specs don't matter. That's right, the specs are like Android's profits to fandroids… they just don't matter."
I was impressed with Forstall the first time I saw him speak. But since then, I've become increasingly unimpressed. The more I see the crazed look in his eyes, the more he seems like a neurotic mess, diabolical. He seems to me to be a person more interested in gaining power than making great products.
Phil sure comes across as a nice guy and genuinely enthused about the products, but awkward, uncomfortable in the limelight. Tim seems the most comfortable, but kind of dry and not into the products that much. Just my impression.
Johnny Ive has the most charisma and allure for sure. I agree, to bad he doesn't want to present. I don't blame him.
I was impressed with Forstall the first time I saw him speak. But since then, I've become increasingly unimpressed. The more I see the crazed look in his eyes, the more he seems like a neurotic mess, diabolical. He seems to me to be a person more interested in gaining power than making great products.
Phil sure comes across as a nice guy and genuinely enthused about the products, but awkward, uncomfortable in the limelight. Tim seems the most comfortable, but kind of dry and not into the products that much. Just my impression.
Johnny Ive has the most charisma and allure for sure. I agree, to bad he doesn't want to present. I don't blame him.
As I've said before in so many words, in the absence of a strong, polarizing leader like Steve everyone will start to promote their own interests in a bid for more power. These are some of the biggest "type-A" people working today, so it's really not surprising.
Can't remember who it was, but some French guy did the best Presentation ever at a Keynote, definitely as good as Steve Jobs, if not better on that one day. But ever since then he's been the invisible man - I guess Steve didn't like being outshone by the hired help. The French guy had passion, charm, humour, energy, in depth knowledge, the right amount of geekiness, personality, and great presentational skills. All things Schiller lacks IMO. I find I can't wait for Schiller's presentations to end so I can get on with hearing from people who know what they are talking about - sorry Phil, but you don't come across that well. You're a great marketing man, but you ain't no presenter!
Can't remember who it was, but some French guy did the best Presentation ever at a Keynote, definitely as good as Steve Jobs, if not better on that one day.
Bertrand Serlet. Former* Senior VP of Mac OS X development. He was at NeXT and had a spectacular relationship with Steve.
*And they haven't replaced him. So that tells you about OS X.
He also earned the nickname "Dr. No," from the character James Bond, as a result of Schiller's "ruthlessly disciplined" nature when choosing and shooting down ideas for new products and features.
??? He's the Veep of Marketing not Design so why would he be doing any saying 'no' of actual products or features. That's not his job.
Shooting down which ones they use as their marketing focus, that is 100% what he would be doing.
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When AirPlay was first demoed there were quickly published code example how to access the APIs. I think anyone should be able to use those APIs as well as the AirPrint APIs and FaceTime both of which they promised to open but never did.
I wonder if iOS 6 will include a line like, "AirPlay everything, everywhere." or something.
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The current crop -- Forstall included -- are below-par presenters. They come through as nice guys in front of an audience, but convey no great sense of passion, timing, irony, impishness, or humor.
I can do it. Honestly. I've legitimately RDF'd more than a few people. I can do the presenting. Of course I'll probably have to have some sort of other credential to be there… Maybe I have one left…
You can introduce the 16:9 iPhone 5 and the Apple television set and iPhone mini and Mac mini-tower.
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You can introduce the 16:9 iPhone 5.
… I'm taking a preemptive six month medical leave.
It will be a team effort. Tim will do the intro, Phil will introduce the new Macs, and Scott will introduce iOS 6. If for some reason Scott doesn't introduce iOS 6, we will know for sure he is on the outer. Maybe Federighi will do a Mountain Lion update.
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I'm not sure about this. I've only started using Apple products since 2009 with the iPhone 3G, now the proud owner of a 4S, but I've seen the keynotes and if I had to rank the presenters, I'd say the go like this:
1) Steve Jobs, I see what they mean by the reality distortion field.
2) Scott Forstall, I think his iOS 5 presentation was brilliant and the closest to the Steve Jobs effect I've ever seen.
3) Phil Schiller, but I don't feel like I need to buy what he's selling...
4) The Head of Internet Services guy...
What do you guys think?
Actually, nothing personal to Phil Schiller because I don't know him personally, but from a public view point, ability to engage the audience in discussing products, I think Jonathan Ives is the guy. He can be captivating to listen to and does have the title Sir, so that might help them in the "spokesperson" for speaking engagements. The only problem is that Ives heads up Industrial Design and Schiller heads of Worldwide Marketing and since Jobs was more of a marketing type person than a engineer type, that's probably why they are choosing Schiller because this is more of a marketing type position. So from that standpoint it makes sense to have Schiller do it. Tim Cook is the CEO and even though CEOs have their position, sometimes it's is better for certain engagements to let the Marketing and Engineering people do their thing when applicable.
This is good news. Schiller is a very good presenter. I like Tim Cook, too. He's been an excellent CEO and before that did an amazing job standing in for Steve Jobs while he was on medical leave. However, as far as presentations are concerned, I'd rather watch paint dry. Tim isn't exactly Mr. Excitement.
Specifications speak for themselves. If specifications do not deliver, it doesn't really matter who delivers the keynote whether it's Scott, Bob, Tim, Jony, the 1998 Denver Broncos, and so forth.
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Originally Posted by Winter
Specifications speak for themselves. If specifications do not deliver, it doesn't really matter who delivers the keynote…
"Hi, everyone, and welcome to Apple Inc. where everything's made up and the specs don't matter. That's right, the specs are like Android's profits to fandroids… they just don't matter."
Cook is a presentation nightmare but he still beats Gil Amelio.
Last night I watched all Steve's appearances on
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I like Phil Schiller. It will likely be a team effort. Cook needs to present some financial and sales updates. Scott Forstall does great with his iOS stuff. Phil can be peppered here and there for anything else. He is not cool like Jobs but he does have enthusiasm. And when my 12 year old son and I watch the keynotes, big Phil gets his vote.
Cook is a presentation nightmare but he still beats Gil Amelio.
Last night I watched all Steve's appearances on
Well, at least they don't have Gore as Apple's spokesperson. Oh God. he'll talk about the Information Superhighway and Global Warming until we pay him NOT to talk about it.
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I agree he sometimes sounds dorky. And Scott Forstall sometimes looks downright creepy:
That's what happens from constantly staring at code for most of your life.
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"Hi, everyone, and welcome to Apple Inc. where everything's made up and the specs don't matter. That's right, the specs are like Android's profits to fandroids… they just don't matter."
Nice "Whose Line Is It Anyway?" reference.
I was impressed with Forstall the first time I saw him speak. But since then, I've become increasingly unimpressed. The more I see the crazed look in his eyes, the more he seems like a neurotic mess, diabolical. He seems to me to be a person more interested in gaining power than making great products.
Phil sure comes across as a nice guy and genuinely enthused about the products, but awkward, uncomfortable in the limelight. Tim seems the most comfortable, but kind of dry and not into the products that much. Just my impression.
Johnny Ive has the most charisma and allure for sure. I agree, to bad he doesn't want to present. I don't blame him.
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I was impressed with Forstall the first time I saw him speak. But since then, I've become increasingly unimpressed. The more I see the crazed look in his eyes, the more he seems like a neurotic mess, diabolical. He seems to me to be a person more interested in gaining power than making great products.
Phil sure comes across as a nice guy and genuinely enthused about the products, but awkward, uncomfortable in the limelight. Tim seems the most comfortable, but kind of dry and not into the products that much. Just my impression.
Johnny Ive has the most charisma and allure for sure. I agree, to bad he doesn't want to present. I don't blame him.
As I've said before in so many words, in the absence of a strong, polarizing leader like Steve everyone will start to promote their own interests in a bid for more power. These are some of the biggest "type-A" people working today, so it's really not surprising.
Can't remember who it was, but some French guy did the best Presentation ever at a Keynote, definitely as good as Steve Jobs, if not better on that one day. But ever since then he's been the invisible man - I guess Steve didn't like being outshone by the hired help. The French guy had passion, charm, humour, energy, in depth knowledge, the right amount of geekiness, personality, and great presentational skills. All things Schiller lacks IMO. I find I can't wait for Schiller's presentations to end so I can get on with hearing from people who know what they are talking about - sorry Phil, but you don't come across that well. You're a great marketing man, but you ain't no presenter!
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Can't remember who it was, but some French guy did the best Presentation ever at a Keynote, definitely as good as Steve Jobs, if not better on that one day.
Bertrand Serlet. Former* Senior VP of Mac OS X development. He was at NeXT and had a spectacular relationship with Steve.
*And they haven't replaced him. So that tells you about OS X.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13506_3-57360006-17/watch-out-tim-cook-apple-vp-scott-forstall-is-eyeing-your-job/
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He also earned the nickname "Dr. No," from the character James Bond, as a result of Schiller's "ruthlessly disciplined" nature when choosing and shooting down ideas for new products and features.
??? He's the Veep of Marketing not Design so why would he be doing any saying 'no' of actual products or features. That's not his job.
Shooting down which ones they use as their marketing focus, that is 100% what he would be doing.
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What do you guys think?
I think it really doesn't matter who says what. The products are what we should care about.