Government, liberals and "conservatives", who can't seem to control their spending, have brought The Unites States of America and European countries their knees. I'm more embarrassed for the conservatives who claim to be, but are not. This from a conservative.
OK. first of all i want to say that I am responding to your comment as a person who is a life long ""Liberal"" (That's me).
...Please stop talking. You are not helping, and you clearly don't know what you are talking about. You just give Repubs more ammunition.
I am sorry to say you don't know what you are talking about. I was very clear and concise in what I said, and I summed up the crux of the political debate in Europe at the moment, with some simplifications and blanket statements of course but I am not here to write diatribes. Whoever gets it, gets it, and should have got it by 2008. Apple isnt goldman, and its not a speculating finance firm, but that does not exclude it from the underegulated global capital category.
If your level of liberalism goes this far you might want to start reading the guardian instead of the nyt and get a clue as to why a lot of people in Europe (as well as the states) refer to your two major political parties in the as the democans and the republicrats, and why socialism is equated with Stalinism in your mainstream political discourse.
And apple should bloody well start paying their proper taxes in Europe instead of solely "maximising" their profit... The poster from Spain was absolutely right. Spain is reaching 20% official unemployment levels, and pretty soon young people might be looting apple stores instead of saving to buy their macs seeing as they don't have jobs, while Tim Cook feels self important talking at Goldman conferences. Apple should choose if they want to keep paying their taxes in Ireland and Luxembourg or pay said share of tax in Spain. The same people who were forewarning about 2008 are warning apple type multinationals right know that they have a choice...
And apple should bloody well start paying their proper taxes in Europe instead of solely "maximising" their profit... The poster from Spain was absolutely right. Spain is reaching 20% official unemployment levels, and pretty soon young people might be looting apple stores instead of saving to buy their macs seeing as they don't have jobs, while Tim Cook feels self important talking at Goldman conferences.
Screw Spain and screw the "eurozone". Their dire and pathetic economic situation has nothing to do with Apple. It's their own fault, based on pathetic and failed economic models combined with brain dead political policies.
On the contrary, it is the euro situation that has been messing with AAPL and the stock market in general, keeping prices down, because lately, there's always some negative news about countries going bankrupt over there, which keeps the whole market down. Let them go bankrupt and get it over with already.
Apple ... should certainly not be commended for playing one euro country against the other, pocketing politicians, and figuring out schemes to pay as little as they can back to the Eurozone on the whole.
Boo hoo hoo.
Poor EU politicians.... (when they're not busy dragging the world economy into a cesspool thanks to their idiocy).
Highly unlikely. Pretty much every public company with non-US sales reports by geographic segments, often broken down in a standard fashion (for comparison purposes).
"Of the top 25 companies in the S&P 500 by market capitalization (based on closing prices from June 7), ten provided a geographic breakdown of sales for Q1 2012 including Europe. On average, these ten companies generated 22.6% of sales from Europe. Oracle and IBM are at the high end of the list, with nearly 31% of sales coming from Europe in Q1 2012. Coca-Cola is at the bottom of the list, with just under 11% of sales coming from Europe in Q1 2012. The other top 15 companies by market capitalization did not provide sales numbers for Europe for the quarter. "
Screw Spain and screw the "eurozone". Their dire and pathetic economic situation has nothing to do with Apple. It's their own fault, based on pathetic and failed economic models combined with brain dead political policies.
Uh? This is nonsense as well. Tell me -- if you have the remotest clue -- how what's happening in Spain or Ireland is "...their own fault, based on pathetic and failed economic models combined with brain dead political policies"?
Poor EU politicians.... (when they're not busy dragging the world economy into a cesspool thanks to their idiocy).
You might be referring to the bozo you had elected for president, the "c student" from Yale who had whole websites with quote after quote attesting to his grammatical, logical, and general knowledge idiocy, as well as his poor tact, decorum and manners, and who oversaw an office full of wall street pawns that were speculating at 30/1 exposures and their greed was such they thought the markets couldn't crash...
"Of the top 25 companies in the S&P 500 by market capitalization (based on closing prices from June 7), ten provided a geographic breakdown of sales for Q1 2012 including Europe. On average, these ten companies generated 22.6% of sales from Europe. Oracle and IBM are at the high end of the list, with nearly 31% of sales coming from Europe in Q1 2012. Coca-Cola is at the bottom of the list, with just under 11% of sales coming from Europe in Q1 2012. The other top 15 companies by market capitalization did not provide sales numbers for Europe for the quarter. "
Groan. What a waste of time. You could easily have looked this up.
You might be referring to the bozo you had elected for president, the "c student" from Yale who had whole websites with quote after quote attesting to his grammatical, logical, and general knowledge idiocy, as well as his poor tact, decorum and manners, and who oversaw an office full of wall street pawns that were speculating at 30/1 exposures and their greed was such they thought the markets couldn't crash...
How does this remotely relate to the point you were trying to make about Apple and taxes?
You might be referring to the bozo you had elected for president, the "c student" from Yale who had whole websites with quote after quote attesting to his grammatical, logical, and general knowledge idiocy, as well as his poor tact, decorum and manners, and who oversaw an office full of wall street pawns that were speculating at 30/1 exposures and their greed was such they thought the markets couldn't crash...
"C student" might be a little optimistic. Obama's records have never been released. They're hiding them.
Uh? This is nonsense as well. Tell me -- if you have the remotest clue -- how what's happening in Spain or Ireland is "...their own fault, based on pathetic and failed economic models combined with brain dead political policies"?
Going into detail would be too political, and those kind of posts would just get erased.
"C student" might be a little optimistic. Obama's records have never been released. They're hiding them.
Please. This is not intended as a political comment (although you may have trouble believing that, given how political you are). You don't need grades to make a comparison of intellects. It's not even a serious contest.
Going into detail would be too political, and those kind of posts would just get erased.
Send me a PM if you can show me otherwise. I'll acknowledge that you are correct here, without getting into the details.
Let me suggest that you can't, with respect to Spain and Ireland, since the facts won't back you up.
Add: I should probably caution you that, in the case of Ireland, the facts will go against the grain of just about every single thing that the US rightwing holds up as panacea: low taxes, minimal regulation, budget deficits not out of control....
You are either a masochist or banker, publicly traded companies (financial institutions) brought America and Europe to its knees precisely by figuring out elaborate schemes to evade paying their fair share back to societies.
If all of Apple's cash balance was ordered home and taxed at 100%, it'd cover approx. 6/1000th of the US national debt. I won't get into CA state debt, or obligations for the countries where the foreign profits were earned.
I'm NOT defending greed, just saying that governments worldwide have more fundamental problems than institutions not paying enough. It's ugly on both sides.
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I have nothing substantive to contribute to the discussion.
I just wanted to say that the woman on the right looks hot, and I like her outfit a lot.
Sorry.
Government, liberals and "conservatives", who can't seem to control their spending, have brought The Unites States of America and European countries their knees. I'm more embarrassed for the conservatives who claim to be, but are not. This from a conservative.
You beat me to it. She's wearing the f out of those pants.
I am sorry to say you don't know what you are talking about. I was very clear and concise in what I said, and I summed up the crux of the political debate in Europe at the moment, with some simplifications and blanket statements of course but I am not here to write diatribes. Whoever gets it, gets it, and should have got it by 2008. Apple isnt goldman, and its not a speculating finance firm, but that does not exclude it from the underegulated global capital category.
If your level of liberalism goes this far you might want to start reading the guardian instead of the nyt and get a clue as to why a lot of people in Europe (as well as the states) refer to your two major political parties in the as the democans and the republicrats, and why socialism is equated with Stalinism in your mainstream political discourse.
And apple should bloody well start paying their proper taxes in Europe instead of solely "maximising" their profit... The poster from Spain was absolutely right. Spain is reaching 20% official unemployment levels, and pretty soon young people might be looting apple stores instead of saving to buy their macs seeing as they don't have jobs, while Tim Cook feels self important talking at Goldman conferences. Apple should choose if they want to keep paying their taxes in Ireland and Luxembourg or pay said share of tax in Spain. The same people who were forewarning about 2008 are warning apple type multinationals right know that they have a choice...
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Originally Posted by myapplelove
And apple should bloody well start paying their proper taxes in Europe instead of solely "maximising" their profit... The poster from Spain was absolutely right. Spain is reaching 20% official unemployment levels, and pretty soon young people might be looting apple stores instead of saving to buy their macs seeing as they don't have jobs, while Tim Cook feels self important talking at Goldman conferences.
Screw Spain and screw the "eurozone". Their dire and pathetic economic situation has nothing to do with Apple. It's their own fault, based on pathetic and failed economic models combined with brain dead political policies.
On the contrary, it is the euro situation that has been messing with AAPL and the stock market in general, keeping prices down, because lately, there's always some negative news about countries going bankrupt over there, which keeps the whole market down. Let them go bankrupt and get it over with already.
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Originally Posted by myapplelove
Apple ... should certainly not be commended for playing one euro country against the other, pocketing politicians, and figuring out schemes to pay as little as they can back to the Eurozone on the whole.
Boo hoo hoo.
Poor EU politicians.... (when they're not busy dragging the world economy into a cesspool thanks to their idiocy).
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Highly unlikely. Pretty much every public company with non-US sales reports by geographic segments, often broken down in a standard fashion (for comparison purposes).
-> http://www.factset.com/websitefiles/PDFs/earningsinsight/earningsinsight_6.8.12
"Of the top 25 companies in the S&P 500 by market capitalization (based on closing prices from June 7), ten provided a geographic breakdown of sales for Q1 2012 including Europe. On average, these ten companies generated 22.6% of sales from Europe. Oracle and IBM are at the high end of the list, with nearly 31% of sales coming from Europe in Q1 2012. Coca-Cola is at the bottom of the list, with just under 11% of sales coming from Europe in Q1 2012. The other top 15 companies by market capitalization did not provide sales numbers for Europe for the quarter. "
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Screw Spain and screw the "eurozone". Their dire and pathetic economic situation has nothing to do with Apple. It's their own fault, based on pathetic and failed economic models combined with brain dead political policies.
Uh? This is nonsense as well. Tell me -- if you have the remotest clue -- how what's happening in Spain or Ireland is "...their own fault, based on pathetic and failed economic models combined with brain dead political policies"?
You might be referring to the bozo you had elected for president, the "c student" from Yale who had whole websites with quote after quote attesting to his grammatical, logical, and general knowledge idiocy, as well as his poor tact, decorum and manners, and who oversaw an office full of wall street pawns that were speculating at 30/1 exposures and their greed was such they thought the markets couldn't crash...
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Originally Posted by Chris_CA
-> http://www.factset.com/websitefiles/PDFs/earningsinsight/earningsinsight_6.8.12
"Of the top 25 companies in the S&P 500 by market capitalization (based on closing prices from June 7), ten provided a geographic breakdown of sales for Q1 2012 including Europe. On average, these ten companies generated 22.6% of sales from Europe. Oracle and IBM are at the high end of the list, with nearly 31% of sales coming from Europe in Q1 2012. Coca-Cola is at the bottom of the list, with just under 11% of sales coming from Europe in Q1 2012. The other top 15 companies by market capitalization did not provide sales numbers for Europe for the quarter. "
Groan. What a waste of time. You could easily have looked this up.
For example, the #11 to #13 companies are P&G, Coca Cola, Pfizer. Here's Coca Cola's geographic segment data: http://www.sec.gov/cgi-bin/viewer?action=view&cik=21344&accession_number=0000021344-12-000023&xbrl_type=v# (once you get there, you have to go into "Notes to Financial Statements ", and then into "Operating Segments").
I am sure that you can trouble yourself to look up the other 14. I am too lazy.
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You might be referring to the bozo you had elected for president, the "c student" from Yale who had whole websites with quote after quote attesting to his grammatical, logical, and general knowledge idiocy, as well as his poor tact, decorum and manners, and who oversaw an office full of wall street pawns that were speculating at 30/1 exposures and their greed was such they thought the markets couldn't crash...
How does this remotely relate to the point you were trying to make about Apple and taxes?
I am confused.
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Groan. What a waste of time. You could easily have looked this up.
Me or FactSet?
I don't care about it.
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I don't care about it.
Then, (i) Why make the original statement you did; (ii) Why bother to bring this up?
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Originally Posted by myapplelove
You might be referring to the bozo you had elected for president, the "c student" from Yale who had whole websites with quote after quote attesting to his grammatical, logical, and general knowledge idiocy, as well as his poor tact, decorum and manners, and who oversaw an office full of wall street pawns that were speculating at 30/1 exposures and their greed was such they thought the markets couldn't crash...
"C student" might be a little optimistic. Obama's records have never been released. They're hiding them.
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Uh? This is nonsense as well. Tell me -- if you have the remotest clue -- how what's happening in Spain or Ireland is "...their own fault, based on pathetic and failed economic models combined with brain dead political policies"?
Going into detail would be too political, and those kind of posts would just get erased.
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"C student" might be a little optimistic. Obama's records have never been released. They're hiding them.
Please. This is not intended as a political comment (although you may have trouble believing that, given how political you are). You don't need grades to make a comparison of intellects. It's not even a serious contest.
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Originally Posted by Apple ][
Going into detail would be too political, and those kind of posts would just get erased.
Send me a PM if you can show me otherwise. I'll acknowledge that you are correct here, without getting into the details.
Let me suggest that you can't, with respect to Spain and Ireland, since the facts won't back you up.
Add: I should probably caution you that, in the case of Ireland, the facts will go against the grain of just about every single thing that the US rightwing holds up as panacea: low taxes, minimal regulation, budget deficits not out of control....
Originally Posted by anantksundaram
Then, (i) Why make the original statement you did
You really can't follow your own posts or those you respond to very well, can you?
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You are either a masochist or banker, publicly traded companies (financial institutions) brought America and Europe to its knees precisely by figuring out elaborate schemes to evade paying their fair share back to societies.
If all of Apple's cash balance was ordered home and taxed at 100%, it'd cover approx. 6/1000th of the US national debt. I won't get into CA state debt, or obligations for the countries where the foreign profits were earned.
I'm NOT defending greed, just saying that governments worldwide have more fundamental problems than institutions not paying enough. It's ugly on both sides.