Bizarrely flawed logic. Puerile sophistry. To refute only one of your imbecilic points: who determines what flourishes in the free market: THE CUSTOMER. Competition produces the best results.
Bizarrely flawed logic. Puerile sophistry. To refute only one of your imbecilic points: who determines what flourishes in the free market: THE CUSTOMER. Competition produces the best results.
No, customers do, and it has to be enough of them to make it a worthwhile endeavor for businesses to act. You might think you, a lone customer, gets to dictate what products a company makes but this is a free market system so you can take your anti-competitve, socialist attitude somewhere else.
Bizarrely flawed logic. Puerile sophistry. To refute only one of your imbecilic points: who determines what flourishes in the free market: THE CUSTOMER. Competition produces the best results.
Man your a hoot! Typically I avoid feeding the trolls, but your thesaurus word search to make you appear intelligent and sophisticated was hilarious!
Bizarrely flawed logic. Puerile sophistry. To refute only one of your imbecilic points: who determines what flourishes in the free market: THE CUSTOMER. Competition produces the best results.
This isn't a rebuttal for anything. If you're just going to reword what you've already said without bothering to respond to or counter any specific statement, then there is little point in this discussion.
You obviously have trouble comprehending English. What did I write??? The customer determines the market. This is as anti socialist as it gets, duh. BTW Forbes Business Magazine just published this: In an email sent to a Mac user, Apple CEO Tim Cook says a new Mac Pro will be released in 2013. Forbes has the the full text, which notes the "revolutionary" and "incredible" features recently added to Apple's Final Cut Pro X and Aperture software.
Gee, I guess Apple decided that those pitiful few Mac Pro users should have an upgrade, which pretty much demolishes your strange "Apple is always right in abandoning market segments and I worship them" philosophy.
Hey Flash beezy: Did you graduate kindergarden? Your is misspelled. (You're is correct)
You obviously have trouble comprehending English. What did I write??? The customer determines the market. This is as anti socialist as it gets, duh. BTW Forbes Business Magazine just published this: <span style="font-family:'trebuchet ms', sans-serif;font-size:16px;line-height:22px;">In an email sent to a Mac user, Apple CEO Tim Cook says a new Mac Pro will be released in 2013. Forbes has the </span>
<a href="http://www.forbes.com/sites/connieguglielmo/2012/06/12/apple-says-new-models-designs-for-imac-mac-pro-in-works-due-in-2013/" style="color:rgb(53,73,119);font-family:'trebuchet ms', sans-serif;font-size:16px;line-height:22px;" target="_blank">the full text</a>
<span style="font-family:'trebuchet ms', sans-serif;font-size:16px;line-height:22px;">, which notes the "revolutionary" and "incredible" features recently added to Apple's Final Cut Pro X and Aperture software. </span>
<span style="font-family:'trebuchet ms', sans-serif;font-size:16px;line-height:22px;">Gee, I guess Apple decided that those pitiful few Mac Pro users should have an upgrade, which pretty much demolishes your strange "Apple is always right in abandoning market segments and I worship them" philosophy.</span>
<span style="font-family:'trebuchet ms', sans-serif;font-size:16px;line-height:22px;">Hey Flash beezy: Did you graduate kindergarden? Your is misspelled. (You're is correct)</span>
You obviously have trouble comprehending English. What did I write??? The customer determines the market. This is as anti socialist as it gets, duh. BTW Forbes Business Magazine just published this: <span style="font-family:'trebuchet ms', sans-serif;font-size:16px;line-height:22px;">In an email sent to a Mac user, Apple CEO Tim Cook says a new Mac Pro will be released in 2013. Forbes has the </span>
<a href="http://www.forbes.com/sites/connieguglielmo/2012/06/12/apple-says-new-models-designs-for-imac-mac-pro-in-works-due-in-2013/" style="color:rgb(53,73,119);font-family:'trebuchet ms', sans-serif;font-size:16px;line-height:22px;" target="_blank">the full text</a>
<span style="font-family:'trebuchet ms', sans-serif;font-size:16px;line-height:22px;">, which notes the "revolutionary" and "incredible" features recently added to Apple's Final Cut Pro X and Aperture software. </span>
<span style="font-family:'trebuchet ms', sans-serif;font-size:16px;line-height:22px;">Gee, I guess Apple decided that those pitiful few Mac Pro users should have an upgrade, which pretty much demolishes your strange "Apple is always right in abandoning market segments and I worship them" philosophy.</span>
<span style="font-family:'trebuchet ms', sans-serif;font-size:16px;line-height:22px;">Hey Flash beezy: Did you graduate kindergarden? Your is misspelled. (You're is correct)</span>
1) Cook never said there will be a new Mac Pro in 2013. He clearly wrote "working on something really great for later next year." Something, not necessarily a Mac Pro.
2) This goes against your claim that the customer, from your perspective you, dictate markets. Apple will produce a new Mac Pro, or 17" MBP, or something else entirely if they feel they can make a healthy profit on it or it's good for the longevity of their business model. You have no say in it other than being someone who buys their product or doesn't buy their product. You owe them nothing, they owe you nothing, and you certainly don't command their actions simply because your arrogance dictates you are always right because you are 'a' customer.
Again you demonstrate an inability to understand English. When I use the Term "The Customer" I am obviously referring to the aggregate. The most feeble of intellects should understand that. Market SEGMENTS generally include a number much greater than one. The fact that you are so fiercely defending some computer company's corporate policy of hypothetically abandoning a large number of users begs several questions, which at this point I am too mind numbingly bored to pose.
Again you demonstrate an inability to understand English. When I use the Term "The Customer" I am obviously referring to the aggregate. The most feeble of intellects should understand that. Market SEGMENTS generally include a number much greater than one. The fact that you are so fiercely defending some computer company's corporate policy of hypothetically abandoning a large number of users begs several questions, which at this point I am too mind numbingly bored to pose.
It's been said before..obviously if the 17" was a money maker or large seller they would have kept it on the line. Unfortunatly it didn't fit in the current offering and was axed. Good! Makes more room for industry changing product!
Can't make everyone happy!
My past employment at Google, I rarely saw 17" machines...mostly air's and 15" MBP's and the graphic design dept in my building were using iPad's with Macpro's
Again you demonstrate an inability to understand English. When I use the Term "The Customer" I am obviously referring to the aggregate. The most feeble of intellects should understand that. Market SEGMENTS generally include a number much greater than one. The fact that you are so fiercely defending some computer company's corporate policy of hypothetically abandoning a large number of users begs several questions, which at this point I am too mind numbingly bored to pose.
I know what you meant to imply but it's not what you were you actually implying with your baseless assestion that Apple was abandoning a large number of users that would net them billions per year in profits. You've still failed to provide any evidence that the 17" MBP was a huge profit center for Apple or supplied any theory as to why Apple, a very successful company that isn't afraid of being profitable, would denounce this immense "aggregate" of users. All you've done is complain and restate a stupid cliché about how you, the consumer, are always right without giving the slightest thought as to why Apple might have stopped selling the 17" MBP as a current model notebook.
which pretty much demolishes your strange "Apple is always right in abandoning market segments and I worship them" philosophy.
I am pretty sure this is a straw man argument. I don't remember anyone one here saying Apple is always right. I didn't see any blind worship of Apple here, even if you want to see it that way. People gave reasonable explanations, even if they're inconvenient to your view, and you've not addressed any of those reasons except in emotionally charged responses. I do feel for you, but sometimes business is business, there is such a thing as opportunity cost, among other things. If Apple is making a mistake, then Apple will pay the price. And sometimes, they do reverse course. I think the best way is to give them feedback, arguing with people on forums isn't the way to show them who's boss.
1) Cook never said there will be a new Mac Pro in 2013. He clearly wrote "working on something really great for later next year." Something, not necessarily a Mac Pro.
2) This goes against your claim that the customer, from your perspective you, dictate markets. Apple will produce a new Mac Pro, or 17" MBP, or something else entirely if they feel they can make a healthy profit on it or it's good for the longevity of their business model. You have no say in it other than being someone who buys their product or doesn't buy their product. You owe them nothing, they owe you nothing, and you certainly don't command their actions simply because your arrogance dictates you are always right because you are 'a' customer.
I wouldn't suggest anyone bet on what will come next year. It's executive speak. It's just one of those stay tuned, we're working on something responses, as it's obvious that regardless of what projects they really are working on,he can't really offer comments.
You're KIDDING me, David Pogue! Really? You're disappointed by no Ethernet, FireWire, optical drive and "only" 2 USB ports? That was the whole point with this new MBP. No more optical drives. I haven't used them in almost TEN years and when I did, I always hated the experience, so good rid-dens.
Only 2 USB ports? Get a HUB. Get a Thunderbolt dock! Same goes for Ethernet and FireWire, although for the latter two, you can get dedicated adapters. I also like Ethernet, which is why I purchased a Thunderbolt-to-Ethernet adapter, which works just perfectly.
("But then you can't chain in more devices, because the adapter has no 2nd Thunderbolt port") Well, that's why this gorgeous piece of art has a 2nd Thunderbolt adapter! You won't need to waste one for DisplayPort or HDMI either, because much to my amazement, it actually has a DEDICATED (Full-size no less!) HDMI port. That's incredible that David Pogue of The New York Times would cry about the lack of compatibility or options with a notebook that has perhaps the single highest range of compatibility of ANY notebook and, I dare say, MOST desktops.
("But Crunch, you can hardly argue with the expandability of a desktop!?") There are now multiple external PCIe enclosures available for Thunderbolt, which, again, you have TWO ports of with this new MBP. This is a BIG deal to have two vs. one, even considering that you can daisy-chain 7 devices. I wonder if that means we can hook up 7 devices PER Thunderbolt port for a total of 14?
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Bizarrely flawed logic. Puerile sophistry. To refute only one of your imbecilic points: who determines what flourishes in the free market: THE CUSTOMER. Competition produces the best results.
No, customers do, and it has to be enough of them to make it a worthwhile endeavor for businesses to act. You might think you, a lone customer, gets to dictate what products a company makes but this is a free market system so you can take your anti-competitve, socialist attitude somewhere else.
Man your a hoot! Typically I avoid feeding the trolls, but your thesaurus word search to make you appear intelligent and sophisticated was hilarious!
This isn't a rebuttal for anything. If you're just going to reword what you've already said without bothering to respond to or counter any specific statement, then there is little point in this discussion.
You obviously have trouble comprehending English. What did I write??? The customer determines the market. This is as anti socialist as it gets, duh. BTW Forbes Business Magazine just published this: In an email sent to a Mac user, Apple CEO Tim Cook says a new Mac Pro will be released in 2013. Forbes has the the full text, which notes the "revolutionary" and "incredible" features recently added to Apple's Final Cut Pro X and Aperture software.
Gee, I guess Apple decided that those pitiful few Mac Pro users should have an upgrade, which pretty much demolishes your strange "Apple is always right in abandoning market segments and I worship them" philosophy.
Hey Flash beezy: Did you graduate kindergarden? Your is misspelled. (You're is correct)
Ooo zing from the troll...
1) Cook never said there will be a new Mac Pro in 2013. He clearly wrote "working on something really great for later next year." Something, not necessarily a Mac Pro.
2) This goes against your claim that the customer, from your perspective you, dictate markets. Apple will produce a new Mac Pro, or 17" MBP, or something else entirely if they feel they can make a healthy profit on it or it's good for the longevity of their business model. You have no say in it other than being someone who buys their product or doesn't buy their product. You owe them nothing, they owe you nothing, and you certainly don't command their actions simply because your arrogance dictates you are always right because you are 'a' customer.
Again you demonstrate an inability to understand English. When I use the Term "The Customer" I am obviously referring to the aggregate. The most feeble of intellects should understand that. Market SEGMENTS generally include a number much greater than one. The fact that you are so fiercely defending some computer company's corporate policy of hypothetically abandoning a large number of users begs several questions, which at this point I am too mind numbingly bored to pose.
It's been said before..obviously if the 17" was a money maker or large seller they would have kept it on the line. Unfortunatly it didn't fit in the current offering and was axed. Good! Makes more room for industry changing product!
Can't make everyone happy!
My past employment at Google, I rarely saw 17" machines...mostly air's and 15" MBP's and the graphic design dept in my building were using iPad's with Macpro's
I know what you meant to imply but it's not what you were you actually implying with your baseless assestion that Apple was abandoning a large number of users that would net them billions per year in profits. You've still failed to provide any evidence that the 17" MBP was a huge profit center for Apple or supplied any theory as to why Apple, a very successful company that isn't afraid of being profitable, would denounce this immense "aggregate" of users. All you've done is complain and restate a stupid cliché about how you, the consumer, are always right without giving the slightest thought as to why Apple might have stopped selling the 17" MBP as a current model notebook.
I am pretty sure this is a straw man argument. I don't remember anyone one here saying Apple is always right. I didn't see any blind worship of Apple here, even if you want to see it that way. People gave reasonable explanations, even if they're inconvenient to your view, and you've not addressed any of those reasons except in emotionally charged responses. I do feel for you, but sometimes business is business, there is such a thing as opportunity cost, among other things. If Apple is making a mistake, then Apple will pay the price. And sometimes, they do reverse course. I think the best way is to give them feedback, arguing with people on forums isn't the way to show them who's boss.
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
1) Cook never said there will be a new Mac Pro in 2013. He clearly wrote "working on something really great for later next year." Something, not necessarily a Mac Pro.
2) This goes against your claim that the customer, from your perspective you, dictate markets. Apple will produce a new Mac Pro, or 17" MBP, or something else entirely if they feel they can make a healthy profit on it or it's good for the longevity of their business model. You have no say in it other than being someone who buys their product or doesn't buy their product. You owe them nothing, they owe you nothing, and you certainly don't command their actions simply because your arrogance dictates you are always right because you are 'a' customer.
I wouldn't suggest anyone bet on what will come next year. It's executive speak. It's just one of those stay tuned, we're working on something responses, as it's obvious that regardless of what projects they really are working on,he can't really offer comments.
Only 2 USB ports? Get a HUB. Get a Thunderbolt dock! Same goes for Ethernet and FireWire, although for the latter two, you can get dedicated adapters. I also like Ethernet, which is why I purchased a Thunderbolt-to-Ethernet adapter, which works just perfectly.
("But then you can't chain in more devices, because the adapter has no 2nd Thunderbolt port") Well, that's why this gorgeous piece of art has a 2nd Thunderbolt adapter! You won't need to waste one for DisplayPort or HDMI either, because much to my amazement, it actually has a DEDICATED (Full-size no less!) HDMI port. That's incredible that David Pogue of The New York Times would cry about the lack of compatibility or options with a notebook that has perhaps the single highest range of compatibility of ANY notebook and, I dare say, MOST desktops.
("But Crunch, you can hardly argue with the expandability of a desktop!?") There are now multiple external PCIe enclosures available for Thunderbolt, which, again, you have TWO ports of with this new MBP. This is a BIG deal to have two vs. one, even considering that you can daisy-chain 7 devices. I wonder if that means we can hook up 7 devices PER Thunderbolt port for a total of 14?