PC makers hint at feelings of 'betrayal' over Microsoft's Surface tablet

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  • Reply 81 of 176
    markbyrnmarkbyrn Posts: 662member
    anonymouse wrote: »
    Not to mention that the keyboard doesn't actually work, given that Microsoft wouldn't let anyone type on it.

    That's a good point that many of the famed tech pundits such as Joshua Topolsky 'forgot' to mention it in their glowing reviews.
    The reality is that the "surface tablet" Microsoft announced doesn't actually exist. It's an open question whether it ever will exist in the exact form they presented.

    Another good point and I've read elsewhere that the device might only be sold in the US in Microsoft Stores and online. Regardless, this Unicorn isn't even out the door and most of the pundits are bowing at the feet of Microsoft and saluting Ballmer for a including a keyboard with his new "PC".
  • Reply 82 of 176
    thepixeldocthepixeldoc Posts: 2,257member

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    Unfortunately, although a "netbook + tablet hybrid" may not be entirely a solution in search of a problem, buying one will be like buying a Crescent wrench to maintain your car: you'll end up with a lot of stripped nuts, skinned knuckles and it just won't work at all for you in some cases.





    Oh... nice analogy! LOL!

  • Reply 83 of 176

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    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post





    Of course they did. He's still whining like an infant over the fact that he wasn't allowed to blackmail a company with tens of billions of dollars worth of their stolen intellectual property.

    "Allies"? Gizmodo is staunchly anti-Apple, and they're banned from all Apple events.


     


    I've heard it both ways. Some of my Android-loving friends call them Apple fanboys. And frankly, I don't care.


     


    I don't like their site because they have a "we luv gadgets" mentality. It gives rise to focusing on specs, which is what gadget lovers do, but that's not the majority of people buying up iOS devices. Ordinary non-techie people like my mom, my sister. And yeah, Giz writers are f'n immature to the point that they don't deserve to be considered journalists.

  • Reply 84 of 176
    iqatedoiqatedo Posts: 1,830member

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    Originally Posted by ThePixelDoc View Post


    ...I think the Lightroom demo was faked and a video...


     


     



    Why wasn't the presentation mirrored to the projection screen? (I know, rhetorical question!)

  • Reply 85 of 176
    thepixeldocthepixeldoc Posts: 2,257member

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    Originally Posted by anonymouse View Post


     


    Not to mention that the keyboard doesn't actually work, given that Microsoft wouldn't let anyone type on it.


     


    The reality is that the "surface tablet" Microsoft announced doesn't actually exist. It's an open question whether it ever will exist in the exact form they presented.



    Ed Bott over on zdnet... who absolutely HATES anything from Apple, actually had a chance for 10 minutes to type on one, and later write about the experience yesterday.


     


    Well... this guy NEVER misses a chance to cozy up to his benefactor MS.... so was I ever surprised to read: NOTHING!


     


    NOT. ONE. WORD!


     


    I'm going to think it wasn't so hot...because if he even "could have" typed just his name... 6 letters and a space.... he would have been peeing all over his "typewriter" how great the experience was.

  • Reply 86 of 176
    quadra 610quadra 610 Posts: 6,757member


    Uh . . .  


     


     


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    http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20120619PD224.html


     


    http://www.neowin.net/news/acer-founder-claims-microsoft-will-pull-out-of-tablet-market


     


     


    Acer founder claims Microsoft will pull out of tablet market


     


    Is the whole Surface tablet launch from Microsoft just a ruse to get others to enter the Windows 8 business? That's what the founder of Acer, Stan Shih, said in an interview. According to Digitimes, Shin said that in his opinion, Microsoft has no intention of entering the hardware market and that the Surface tablet is just a ploy by the company.


     


    Shih, who retired from Acer in 2004 after forming it in 1976, believes that Microsoft wants to see other hardware vendors offer Windows 8 tablets. In fact, he believes that other PC makers should be encouraged by Microsoft's move as they will benefit from the company's marketing power.


     


    Once more PC makers enter the Windows 8 tablet market, Shih says that Microsoft will pull out of the hardware sector. He also says that selling hardware is much less profitable for Microsoft than licensing software to other companies.


     


    Shih's argument sounds a little bit like the reaction some people in the game industry had when the original Xbox was revealed in 2000. Some also claimed that the Xbox was just a ruse in order to shake up one of Microsoft's big rivals Sony. In the end, Microsoft ended up with a highly successful hardware and software business with the Xbox.


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  • Reply 87 of 176

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    The trouble with firing Balmer is that like many corporations in their situation, Microsoft's executives have been purged so many times there isn't any likely person hanging around that can step in and take the CEO's place.  Also, as much as we love to hate him, Balmer actually represents both hope, as well as the days of past glory for Microsoft's board and shareholders.  It's hard to decide to give that up.  


     


    The rational thing to do would be to fire Balmer and do a basic re-organisation of the company as is always done in cases like this, paring off the less profitable areas of the company and the bloat and re-focussing on their core strengths.  To do that however, they have to get rid of all the cool stuff like X-Box etc. and turn back into the most boring software company on earth just making regular old windows (updated each year though) and Office.  They could get a bit of pizzaz back by making Office actually compatible, and by extending it's reach into all the other OS's that they previously eschewed, but that's about it.  


     


    So ... to get rid of Balmer, they have to basically give up on all their dreams of conquering Apple and the greater PC market. 


     


    Not only that, the price of software, especially OS's and productivity software is falling through the floor.  Even if they get back into their core market of software production, they'd have to reduce costs by multiple orders of magnitude just to stay profitable.  



     


    Microsoft needs to break apart. They would make a lot more money for their shareholders. Imagine a Microsoft free to make software for every platform (iOS, Android, Mac, Windows, etc.). I would love to see that.


     


    They could easily be 3 or 4 different companies, maybe 5.

  • Reply 88 of 176
    rogifanrogifan Posts: 10,669member
    markbyrn wrote: »
    That's a good point that many of the famed tech pundits such as Joshua Topolsky 'forgot' to mention it in their glowing reviews.
    The reality is that the "surface tablet" Microsoft announced doesn't actually exist. It's an open question whether it ever will exist in the exact form they presented.
    Another good point and I've read elsewhere that the device might only be sold in the US in Microsoft Stores and online. Regardless, this Unicorn isn't even out the door and most of the pundits are bowing at the feet of Microsoft and saluting Ballmer for a including a keyboard with his new "PC".
    I had to laugh after the demo when the anti-Apple tards were saying "see Apple, that's how you do a smart cover", and claiming Apple's smart cover just became a dumb cover. Even though none of them actually got to try one of these out to see if it actually works. During the demo did anyone actually type on it or use the trackpad? I'll bet Jony Ive and team have stuff like this sitting in their design studio that will never get released because it might look cool but probably doesn't work.

    My question is what makes the "pro" surface tablet more compelling than say a Samsung Series 9 Ultrabook? If the "pro" surface tablet is 2 pounds it probably won't be that comfortable to hold for book reading. Heck when the new iPad came out some complained because it was a bit heavier than the iPad 2. Plus I can't imagine that keyboard accessory matching the quality of a good laptop keyboard/trackpad. I just don't see how this provides the best tablet experience and replaces your laptop.
  • Reply 89 of 176
    markbyrnmarkbyrn Posts: 662member
    Ed Bott over on zdnet... who absolutely HATES anything from Apple, actually had a chance for 10 minutes to type on one, and later write about the experience yesterday.

    Well it's possible that the Microsoft Tech Pundit Propaganda machine is starting to show cracks. ZDNet just published a rather scathing article titled, "Surface: Microsoft, What the Hell is Wrong With You?" and George Ou at Byte wrote a predictive piece titled, "Why Microsoft's New Surface Tablet Will Fail".
  • Reply 90 of 176
    thepixeldocthepixeldoc Posts: 2,257member

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    Originally Posted by IQatEdo View Post


    Why wasn't the presentation mirrored to the projection screen? (I know, rhetorical question!)





    It was made to appear that it was:


     


    1) starting at 26:44 where Mike is copying and, quote "....copying a Gigabyte worth of photos to the desktop and then editing them in Lightroom"... I have a problem with


     


    2) because opening up LR never finishes, (which to be fair... it doesn't here either, so that can be discarded) and supposedly loading those photos finishes at 26:59... exactly when the screen flickers, zooms in...and the first photo is ready to adjust (15 seconds for a gigabyte of photos...impressive if to be believed?!)


     


    3) he apparently zoomed into the picture at 27:13... the mouse moved to the right over exposure adjustment in Develop mode... he's talking about editing the picture... but never does.


     


    Whatever. The opening of LR could have been real... but he did nothing to edit the photo, and it had already been previously imported, and NOT from the photos he had just copied to the desktop. I can almost state that as fact. Not 1gb worth.

  • Reply 91 of 176
    drblankdrblank Posts: 3,385member


    Here is OLD Microsoft.   Let's blatantly COPY Apple, but change it enough so we don't get sued, THEN we'll sign a contract with all of the OEM computer mfg where they have to pay for a copy of Windows on each computer whether the computer ships with Windows or not.  THEN, since the PC market is getting hammered by Apple, and the OEMs can't seem to make a competing tablet that actually sells any decent volume, let's design our own tablet and inadvertently sell it against the OEM's Ultrabooks and tablets to screw them over as well.  We're Microsoft and we can do what we want, because if we get sued, then we just have to pay some small amount of money as a cost of doing business, and if they don't, then we get away with it.  Yeah, and they pre-announce the product 3+ months prior.


     


    Notice how the one presenter's Surface didn't work and how they wouldn't let the media touch and play around with these floor demos?  Why is that?  Because Windows on these systems probably doesn't work well.  Yeah, probably have to wait until Service Pack 1 or 2 before that happens.


     


    I can just see the lawsuits flying now.  Instead of Apple, Sun, and others going after Microsoft for Anti-competition violations, they might get sued by their own OEM partners.


     


    If I were HP, Dell, Lenovo, etc. I would have a little pow wow with the attorneys and let the lawsuits fly.  If they want media attention, Microsoft will get it regardless of how.


     


    It's one thing to have a competitor make a better product and have more sales, but it's another thing when a long time business partner basically goes after your sales.


     


    Oh, they have the kickstand at 22 degree angle.  That means that when in Kickstand mode, that you have to have your wrist almost at a 78 degree angle to use it as a touchscreen.  Not exactly ergonomically sound.


     


    But that is just an opinion.

  • Reply 92 of 176
    quadra 610quadra 610 Posts: 6,757member

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    Notice how the one presenter's Surface didn't work and how they wouldn't let the media touch and play around with these floor demos?  Why is that?  Because Windows on these systems probably doesn't work well.  Yeah, probably have to wait until Service Pack 1 or 2 before that happens.


     


     



     


     


    That's quite damning. Good point. 


     


    The entire contraption *must* work perfectly, especially when it hits the shelves. In current market dynamics, if the User Experience isn't delightful and smooth right out of the gate, there will be  . . . problems.

  • Reply 93 of 176

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    That's quite damning. Good point. 


     


    The entire contraption *must* work perfectly, especially when it hits the shelves. In current market dynamics, if the User Experience isn't delightful and smooth right out of the gate, there will be  . . . problems.



     


    Ballmer would still push it out the door. Guaranteed.


     


    He is that desperate. I could hear it in his presentation.

  • Reply 94 of 176
    thepixeldocthepixeldoc Posts: 2,257member

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    Originally Posted by markbyrn View Post





    Well it's possible that the Microsoft Tech Pundit Propaganda machine is starting to show cracks. ZDNet just published a rather scathing article titled, "Surface: Microsoft, What the Hell is Wrong With You?" and George Ou at Byte wrote a predictive piece titled, "Why Microsoft's New Surface Tablet Will Fail".


     


    Yes I read the one in bold yesterday. Did you dare glance at the comments? Now that's a fun read! :))) Perlow is literally ran down with a cyber-pitchfork and skewered by the rabid MS fans wanting this all to be true, and not the Barnum-Bailey-n-Ballmer Circus routine.


     


    Re: Acer founder claims Microsoft will pull out of tablet market -- jeez! And I thought I was just providing some thought-entertainment playing the Devil's Advocate and a game of "What If?".


     


    It appears that more than a few people have woken up this morning, and just not sure what the hell they saw on Monday. Reality sinking in... and the presentation in it's entirety is still out there to peruse just "one more time please".

  • Reply 95 of 176
    drblankdrblank Posts: 3,385member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ThePixelDoc View Post


    Ed Bott over on zdnet... who absolutely HATES anything from Apple, actually had a chance for 10 minutes to type on one, and later write about the experience yesterday.


     


    Well... this guy NEVER misses a chance to cozy up to his benefactor MS.... so was I ever surprised to read: NOTHING!


     


    NOT. ONE. WORD!


     


    I'm going to think it wasn't so hot...because if he even "could have" typed just his name... 6 letters and a space.... he would have been peeing all over his "typewriter" how great the experience was.



    I don't the media was allowed to play with one of these Surface tablets.  I think they were for show only.  Remember, the one presenter had his first Surface not work for the demo, so I don't think they are ready for people to play with them. It seems like it is a pre-production prototype so that the hardware PULLS the software towards the future.

  • Reply 96 of 176
    drblankdrblank Posts: 3,385member

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    Originally Posted by ThePixelDoc View Post


     


    Yes I read the one in bold yesterday. Did you dare glance at the comments? Now that's a fun read! :))) Perlow is literally ran down with a cyber-pitchfork and skewered by the rabid MS fans wanting this all to be true, and not the Barnum-Bailey-n-Ballmer Circus routine.


     


    Re: Acer founder claims Microsoft will pull out of tablet market -- jeez! And I thought I was just providing some thought-entertainment playing the Devil's Advocate and a game of "What If?".


     


    It appears that more than a few people have woken up this morning, and just not sure what the hell they saw on Monday. Reality sinking in... and the presentation in it's entirety is still out there to peruse just "one more time please".



    And what happens if you want to use the keyboard in portrait mode?  Will it go in portrait mode with the kickstand?

  • Reply 97 of 176

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    Originally Posted by ThePixelDoc View Post


    Ed Bott over on zdnet... who absolutely HATES anything from Apple, actually had a chance for 10 minutes to type on one, and later write about the experience yesterday.


     


    Well... this guy NEVER misses a chance to cozy up to his benefactor MS.... so was I ever surprised to read: NOTHING!


     


    NOT. ONE. WORD!


     


    I'm going to think it wasn't so hot...because if he even "could have" typed just his name... 6 letters and a space.... he would have been peeing all over his "typewriter" how great the experience was.



     


    One of my favorite lines:


     


    The signature feature—one that probably has some Apple product designers wondering “Why didn’t we think of that?”—is the magnetic cover that snaps firmly into place and doubles as a keyboard.


     


    They probably did, Ed... and it had fail written all over it.

  • Reply 98 of 176
    clauclau Posts: 15member


    I am quite excited about this announcement and look forward to seeing what it will bring. I think there is room for another tablet and this looks to be able to bring portable computing to the next level. I like that it's not an attempt trying to be "Android trying to be iOS" tablet.


     


    For iPad owners like myself, nothing else (other than the newer iPad) in the market currently spells 'need that' to me so I think MS is right in stirring up the pot.

  • Reply 99 of 176
    thepixeldocthepixeldoc Posts: 2,257member


    I'm gonna ask it... because there are more than a few people here thinking it:


     


    What if any of these conjectures are TRUE?


     


    Was that really a demo for the OEMS showing... "YA SEE dang nab it! That's how a magnet sounds clicking to a REAL hinge... that's how a kickstand sounds when closing and opening ya !#$$%^&* bums!!! Get rid of the plastic crap or else DADDY is gonna take ya out behind the shed and beat ya silly with a USB cable!"


     


    Naturally in my best Jethro impersonation..... entertainment that wold not be believable in a TV or Movie script!

  • Reply 100 of 176
    malaxmalax Posts: 1,598member

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    I don't think so.  iOS cannot make use of a trackpad.  There are already plenty of keyboards for the iPad.  but there are no trackpads, which makes the combined device VERY different.



     


    Gee, the completely unncessary trackpad.  What a loss.

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