To be honest when Steve killed flash iOS devices did not have the CPU power to run it. It's not the case now or in the future with even faster hardware. The web has for the most part move to html5 but streaming live video is still flash and a big part of video also. For me it's not a problem on the iPad because I use iswifter app to see them but without it it will make the web experience on the iPad not be on par with a desktop/laptop pc IMHO...
To be honest when Steve killed flash iOS devices did not have the CPU power to run it. It's not the case now or in the future with even faster hardware. The web has for the most part move to html5 but streaming live video is still flash and a big part of video also. For me it's not a problem on the iPad because I use iswifter app to see them but without it it will make the web experience on the iPad not be on par with a desktop/laptop pc IMHO...
I rarely see Flash video players anymore. Most have moved to HTML5. Even on that, Adobe finally gave in and added support for HTTP streaming to their Flash server. At this point, the iPad gives pretty much the same capabilities for viewing web sites as a desktop browser. One of the last functions, the ability to upload files, comes in iOS 6.
Can we get rid of it on the desktop also ? My dream one day is for this to happen. As an IT admin I am tired of always having to update it on our macs and pc's . ITs one of the sole reason for both sets of machines crashing.
Bloody amazing. Just watching the recently released All Things D full Steve Jobs interviews. 110% Vindication for Steve.
So sad he wasn't around to see it. Ah well, I guess Buddha and Moses are enjoying their iPads.
Steve:
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;">"The problem with humans was that you didn't make them user-friendly enough"</p>
"So, let's create an entire sentient race that's insanely great..."
What a class act. We are sorry that we could not make a compelling product for use on mobile devices. I mean, it's all Apple's fault for not supporting us, Apple is the bad guy here, poor little Adobe struggling against the corporate giant who is trying to shut them down.
It's almost worth crawling back through all the hundreds of forum posts I made in response to moron fandroids whose number one knock on the iPhone was its lack of flash. The last one was l less than a week ago.
[...] all the hundreds of forum posts [...] -- uh really? where? because as of this writing the ai system says you have 199 posts to your name. please document your claim.
So Adobe is blaming Apple for removing Flash from Android devices? Didn't Google just get through telling us there's 1 million daily activations? Now Adobe, even if Apple doesn't want your flash mess, why would you decline the opportunity to include Flash on hundreds of millions of Android devices? I'll tell you why - it performs like crap regardless of the mobile platform, and you finally raised the white flag of surrender.
well said. I don't care what other android fans keep saying about apple excluding flash because it was a competeitor blah blah. um, not even remotely close. Steve just didn't want a device that ran like crap. Period. It's not like HTML5 is owned by apple. It's in fact an open standard that's far more portable and runs MUCH smoother. Something that's important for a less powerful mobile device.
I have always wanted exactly what websites people who have flash enabled phones are visiting. When I got an iPhone in 2008 perhaps 5% of websites I visited had flash, when i got an iPad in 2010 it was 1% and now I can't remember the last time I came across a website which required flash. Just what are they looking at? May be it is because I don't play web based games.
My guess is Steve Jobs was right about Flash not because of some animosity towards Adobe or Flash per se, but because of the culture at Apple -- a culture which he brought to Apple when he came back. Perfection.
I suspect he was just as hard, if not harder, on the engineers and management at Apple than he was with Adobe and their Flash. If the goal is perfection, then perfection must be reached. I think he had a ruthlessness about him in this regard, and Apple products for the most part show this ruthlessness. As applied to Adobe Flash, Jobs was not being mean or vindictive, he was simply applying the same criteria to Adobe Flash that he applied to Apple products.
So Adobe is blaming Apple for removing Flash from Android devices? Didn't Google just get through telling us there's 1 million daily activations? Now Adobe, even if Apple doesn't want your flash mess, why would you decline the opportunity to include Flash on hundreds of millions of Android devices? I'll tell you why - it performs like crap regardless of the mobile platform, and you finally raised the white flag of surrender.
Actually, Apple did drive it. Keep in mind that the overwhelming percentage of web access from mobile devices is from iOS and advertising revenues are heavily skewed toward iOS. While Adobe could have umpty trillion installations if they stuck with Android, web site developer have realized that failure to support iOS is fatal.
Good god, really. You all sound like a bunch of little girls. Everyone knows Adobe was a resource hog and Adobe could never get it to run insanely great on mobile devices. Why does this even bother you guys? Do you really need to post on here saying, "ha ha ha. We were right and you were wrong!"?
By the way, I just picked up a Samsung S3 and it appears to run flash 11 just fine. Doesn't give me any problems. Doesn't mean I want Flash to stay or that Adobe made a good product, but Samsung was somehow able to get Touchwiz and Android to play nice with it.
Mobile Flash is dead... Long live what-ever-the-hell-replaces-it.
Funny how you contradict yourself. First, you say it was a resource hog and Adobe could never get it to run well on mobile devices. Then you say that it works fine on your mobile device. So which is it?
Besides, regarding the bolded, you're missing the entire point. Thousands of Android shills have been running around here for years denying what you just said. Since the iPhone came out without Flash, all we've heard is how great Flash is and how well it works on Mobile devices and that Apple won't support it solely because of {insert your favorite conspiracy theory here}.
To be honest when Steve killed flash iOS devices did not have the CPU power to run it. It's not the case now or in the future with even faster hardware. The web has for the most part move to html5 but streaming live video is still flash and a big part of video also. For me it's not a problem on the iPad because I use iswifter app to see them but without it it will make the web experience on the iPad not be on par with a desktop/laptop pc IMHO...
Even with current hardware, it's a resource hog. And I don't miss it - nor do the millions of people who don't have it on their mobile devices. More importantly, Adobe doesn't agree with you - they understand that it's pointless to have Flash on mobile devices.
[...] all the hundreds of forum posts [...] -- uh really? where? because as of this writing the ai system says you have 199 posts to your name. please document your claim.
YEAH ! GO !!
You really pwned him !! I lol'd so much I was ROFL,
Way to point out that he was not 'technically' correct in his response and it was a <> logic error. That'll teach him.
You must be the MOGHWRD.
Now, I *wonder*..... could it be that he also posts on OTHER forums??? Nah.. they dont exist.
As an Android user I still say this: Good riddance.
Flash is a plague on Android browsers. Glad to see it finally squashed.
Open standards, not proprietary plugins. Next on my death wishlist is Silverlight.
[...] all the hundreds of forum posts [...] -- uh really? where? because as of this writing the ai system says you have 199 posts to your name. please document your claim.
I guess it never occurred to you that this isn't the only forum on the planet to discuss computer topics?
Not to mention, of course, that he might have other accounts.
It's irrelevant, though. For years, Fandroids were bragging that you needed Android to have "the full internet" because of Flash while the iOS users were saying that Flash sucked and wasn't really necessary.
I have always wanted exactly what websites people who have flash enabled phones are visiting. When I got an iPhone in 2008 perhaps 5% of websites I visited had flash, when i got an iPad in 2010 it was 1% and now I can't remember the last time I came across a website which required flash. Just what are they looking at? May be it is because I don't play web based games.
You see, the **** up part is that most Flash websites were for desktop with a mouse. Even if your 3" or 4" smartphone could run Flash, you would never realistically be able to navigate a Flash website or even game. Because most of Flash from ground up is designed for rollovers and keyboard entry (like for button mashing in games like at Kongregate). Steve or someone at Apple did mention this. So even if you could run Flash, the website was still a crappy experience. In other words, double fail.
Well, everything is H.264 mp4/"m4v" anyway, except for Google who apparently is not willing to spend proper money on buying proper H.264 encoders (most YouTube in HTML5 is ,"sorry, video not available") on desktop ... strangely on iOS it does find the videos.
Quicktime for web? Don't need it, I deleted the plugin a few months ago and everything is peachy, except for YouTube and let's face it, naughty websites. Quicktime on Mac is still useful because it's the de facto thing for handling different codecs, which is important in the multimedia stuff. Like Animation, ProRes, Red, etc.
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Originally Posted by sr2012
Steve Jobs was right on so many things, on so many levels. Vindication, is a dish best served with spicy curry.
That was his brilliance. The ability to step back and see things for what they were, quite often long before anybody else did.
I'm not sure, did you forgot to add the scarasm tag, as they announced this in November?
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Originally Posted by monstrosity
If I believed in an afterlife, I would like to think Steve is up there crafting Human 2.0 right now
Or "The New Human" I should say...
You mean, Human 3GS?
Human 5.
Can we get rid of it on the desktop also ? My dream one day is for this to happen. As an IT admin I am tired of always having to update it on our macs and pc's . ITs one of the sole reason for both sets of machines crashing.
Haha ... Brilliant!
What a class act. We are sorry that we could not make a compelling product for use on mobile devices. I mean, it's all Apple's fault for not supporting us, Apple is the bad guy here, poor little Adobe struggling against the corporate giant who is trying to shut them down.
It's almost worth crawling back through all the hundreds of forum posts I made in response to moron fandroids whose number one knock on the iPhone was its lack of flash. The last one was l less than a week ago.
[...] all the hundreds of forum posts [...] -- uh really? where? because as of this writing the ai system says you have 199 posts to your name. please document your claim.I was drowned, I was washed up and left for dead.
I fell down to my feet and I saw they bled.
I frowned at the crumbs of a crust of bread.
Yeah, yeah, yeah
I was crowned with a spike right thru my head.
But it's all right now, in fact, it's a gas!
But it's all right, Im jumpin jack flash,
Its a gas! gas! gas!
Jumping jack flash, it's a gas
Jumping jack flash, it's a gas
Jumping jack flash, it's a gas
Jumping jack flash, it's a gas
Jumping jack flash"
Rolling Stones said it best!
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Originally Posted by markbyrn
So Adobe is blaming Apple for removing Flash from Android devices? Didn't Google just get through telling us there's 1 million daily activations? Now Adobe, even if Apple doesn't want your flash mess, why would you decline the opportunity to include Flash on hundreds of millions of Android devices? I'll tell you why - it performs like crap regardless of the mobile platform, and you finally raised the white flag of surrender.
well said. I don't care what other android fans keep saying about apple excluding flash because it was a competeitor blah blah. um, not even remotely close. Steve just didn't want a device that ran like crap. Period. It's not like HTML5 is owned by apple. It's in fact an open standard that's far more portable and runs MUCH smoother. Something that's important for a less powerful mobile device.
I have always wanted exactly what websites people who have flash enabled phones are visiting. When I got an iPhone in 2008 perhaps 5% of websites I visited had flash, when i got an iPad in 2010 it was 1% and now I can't remember the last time I came across a website which required flash. Just what are they looking at? May be it is because I don't play web based games.
Flash is a plague on Android browsers. Glad to see it finally squashed.
Open standards, not proprietary plugins. Next on my death wishlist is Silverlight.
My guess is Steve Jobs was right about Flash not because of some animosity towards Adobe or Flash per se, but because of the culture at Apple -- a culture which he brought to Apple when he came back. Perfection.
I suspect he was just as hard, if not harder, on the engineers and management at Apple than he was with Adobe and their Flash. If the goal is perfection, then perfection must be reached. I think he had a ruthlessness about him in this regard, and Apple products for the most part show this ruthlessness. As applied to Adobe Flash, Jobs was not being mean or vindictive, he was simply applying the same criteria to Adobe Flash that he applied to Apple products.
Actually, Apple did drive it. Keep in mind that the overwhelming percentage of web access from mobile devices is from iOS and advertising revenues are heavily skewed toward iOS. While Adobe could have umpty trillion installations if they stuck with Android, web site developer have realized that failure to support iOS is fatal.
Funny how you contradict yourself. First, you say it was a resource hog and Adobe could never get it to run well on mobile devices. Then you say that it works fine on your mobile device. So which is it?
Besides, regarding the bolded, you're missing the entire point. Thousands of Android shills have been running around here for years denying what you just said. Since the iPhone came out without Flash, all we've heard is how great Flash is and how well it works on Mobile devices and that Apple won't support it solely because of {insert your favorite conspiracy theory here}.
Even with current hardware, it's a resource hog. And I don't miss it - nor do the millions of people who don't have it on their mobile devices. More importantly, Adobe doesn't agree with you - they understand that it's pointless to have Flash on mobile devices.
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Originally Posted by Pooch
[...] all the hundreds of forum posts [...] -- uh really? where? because as of this writing the ai system says you have 199 posts to your name. please document your claim.YEAH ! GO !!
You really pwned him !! I lol'd so much I was ROFL,
Way to point out that he was not 'technically' correct in his response and it was a <> logic error. That'll teach him.
You must be the MOGHWRD.
Now, I *wonder*..... could it be that he also posts on OTHER forums??? Nah.. they dont exist.
And QuickTime too.
I guess it never occurred to you that this isn't the only forum on the planet to discuss computer topics?
Not to mention, of course, that he might have other accounts.
It's irrelevant, though. For years, Fandroids were bragging that you needed Android to have "the full internet" because of Flash while the iOS users were saying that Flash sucked and wasn't really necessary.
Turns out the iOS users were right.
Very slowly though.
Indeed. Steve saw what was invisible but blindingly obvious when once he saw it, and made products that helped you see it too.
Wait, Tallest Skil agreeing with something called "5"? Say it ain't so.
Thanks
You see, the **** up part is that most Flash websites were for desktop with a mouse. Even if your 3" or 4" smartphone could run Flash, you would never realistically be able to navigate a Flash website or even game. Because most of Flash from ground up is designed for rollovers and keyboard entry (like for button mashing in games like at Kongregate). Steve or someone at Apple did mention this. So even if you could run Flash, the website was still a crappy experience. In other words, double fail.
Well, everything is H.264 mp4/"m4v" anyway, except for Google who apparently is not willing to spend proper money on buying proper H.264 encoders (most YouTube in HTML5 is ,"sorry, video not available") on desktop ... strangely on iOS it does find the videos.
Quicktime for web? Don't need it, I deleted the plugin a few months ago and everything is peachy, except for YouTube and let's face it, naughty websites. Quicktime on Mac is still useful because it's the de facto thing for handling different codecs, which is important in the multimedia stuff. Like Animation, ProRes, Red, etc.