I don't follow or agree with all laws, but when it comes to panhandlers and beggars, I do happen to agree that it's a bad idea and counterproductive to give those types any sort of money at all.
As for your second comment, I seem to catch more flack here than ten Fandroids combined! So, I always have to be on the defensive.
my point exactly, how is this apple focused comments..lol
It always makes me laugh, when people who do not like Apple products come to this forum and rant about the issues of Apple. Now do not get me wrong, this is a free comment forum, where anyone, who stays within forum rules can comment. But it is illogically for people who do not like Apple, to waste their time and rant about negative, since comments are wasted, since Apple will not change their strategy based on Apple haters.
As I would not go into Microsoft forum to discuss their products, since I know my words would be wasted.
But each to their own, just wish these people would be more constructive and less cheap thrill, cheap shot comments.
A lot of people on this board have no faith in Apple... every decision that they make as a company is thoroughly thought out and calculated beyond what we can even imagine. There is an end game here people, we just have to be patient.
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Originally Posted by Gazoobee
I think you should go to San Francisco, drop some acid, and hug a hippy or two. Maybe burn an American flag once in a while to keep things in perspective. Today's world isn't as bad as you think it is, and the old world wasn't as good as you remember either.
I'm sorry, I don't like getting off topic either, but I couldn't let this quote go. The reason that you are even able post something like this without being thrown in jail or worse, like you would in many other countries, is because of everything that flag represents! It makes me sick how quickly people are willing to bite the hand that feeds them, especially when the majority of the rest of the world would give up everything they have to be a legal citizen of our great nation.
But the issue is you do not comment on just Apple news, you start commenting on other people comments and make less thoughtful comments that also off topic, so stop ranting about us being off topic, because you started the diversion.
I disagree that I started any diversion.
Somebody claiming that a $599 Mac Mini was not affordable is just about the most ridiculous comment that I have ever read on this site, and I shouldn't be blamed for replying and saying that it was very cheap.
As I would not go into Microsoft forum to discuss their products, since I know my words would be wasted.
I agree with you on that! I am a well known Android hater, and I have never concealed my distaste for that inferior and poor OS. However, you'll never see me signing up to an Android forum. What a waste of time!
And Apple haters should not come here either. They have no business being here. They should get lost.
A lot of people on this board have no faith in Apple... every decision that they make as a company is thoroughly thought out and calculated beyond what we can even imagine. There is an end game here people, we just have to be patient.
I'm sorry, I don't like getting off topic either, but I couldn't let this quote go. The reason that you are even able post something like this without being thrown in jail or worse, like you would in many other countries, is because of everything that flag represents! It makes me sick how quickly people are willing to bite the hand that feeds them, especially when the majority of the rest of the world would give up everything they have to be a legal citizen of our great nation.
Faith? No. That's for church if you are religious. Apple is a company. I say "trust but verify".
Obviously you have been wronged or misled by Apple in the past, or at least want to believe that you have been for some reason. I myself have never been given a reason to question Apple's practices or business ethics in any way, shape, or form. Also, until they give me a reason to question them, they will have my complete faith (trust) in their company.
Also, until they give me a reason to question them, they will have my complete faith (trust) in their company.
Same here. I can easily buy a new Apple product without even trying it out, because of my past experiences with already having bought plenty of their products, and not one has ever let me down.
What insights are you seeking? EPEAT has a paper measure of recyclability. Apple decided that it should not be measured by those standards, but that it still cares about the environment. Its reasons are probably due to the demands of their changing manufacturing process (for example, using glue instead of screws). There really isn't much more to it than that.
Yes, I'm not sure what detailed reasoning or explanation people are looking for. You pretty much summed it up. And I like the fact you said "paper measure", because that's all it is. Unless or until someone cam demonstrate that the rMBP is bad for the environment all this noise about Apple leaving EPEAT is just that, noise. Mostly spewed by Apple haters or those that have other another agenda (like iFixit).
Apple may have good reasons for withdrawing from EPEAT and be relatively ecologically friendly in their complete footprint as described on their website, but they dropped the PR ball by not providing more detail in advance for the EPEAT decision: "Specific requirement X does not make sense for our new products because Y.", "We would return to EPEAT if Z was changed."
Anything they say now sounds like damage control and this is not going away until they give specifics. For a company with a good record for image control, they look like amateurs this time.
The actual story here is that the CEO of EAPAT openly and without quibbling admits that their standards are at least partially obsolete. Of course Frisbee, like all CEOs, is temporizing, minimizing, and otherwise trying to draw attention away from his organization's flaws. Given the rate at which the technology evolves, "long in the tooth" is a euphemism for "grotesquely outdated," i.e., no longer relevant in the real world and in desperate need of revision.
When governing bodies don't move at least as quickly as the efforts they govern, the arguments of Ayn Rand's fervent, glassy-eyed disciples gain weight and we come that much closer to corporate "might equals right."
The failure here is EAPAT's. Corporations like Apple don't make decisions that will decrease sales and damage their reputation lightly. EAPAT must get its house in order before it loses all credibility. San Francisco's action is typically reactionary; well-intentioned and misguided. It would be far more productive if it and other concerned municipalities threatened to drop adherence to EAPAT until its standards are revised. "Easily disassembled" is an absurd notion when applied to technologies that are rapidly moving toward microscopic components.
A lot of people on this board have no faith in Apple... every decision that they make as a company is thoroughly thought out and calculated beyond what we can even imagine. There is an end game here people, we just have to be patient.
I'm sorry, I don't like getting off topic either, but I couldn't let this quote go. The reason that you are even able post something like this without being thrown in jail or worse, like you would in many other countries, is because of everything that flag represents! It makes me sick how quickly people are willing to bite the hand that feeds them, especially when the majority of the rest of the world would give up everything they have to be a legal citizen of our great nation.
After al the crap about people who don't have $599 not working hard enough it is this comment that made me sign up to comment. The majority of the rest of the world would not give up everything they have to be a legal citizen of the US. Your nation is ok I guess, got some great national parks, but your crazy reactions to patterned cloth make you a scary place to visit. You're not the only country with laws protecting free speech and the ability to burn flags.
Back to our story... Yes Apple says they do a lot for the environment... How that truly compares to what others...say dell or Samsung does, I do not know. Don't a lot of these company's use Foxconn? Does Foxconn have a supposedly environmentally friendly factory for Apple, then dump toxic crap for the others? Apple did say they forced changes in manufacturing processes. How good is Apples recycleability compared to others? Hmmmm. Need more fact finding, critical analysis etc.
Apple has held large scale recycling events in Ann Arbor the last few years. People can come with most electronic items they want to be recycled. Last year close to twenty semi - trucks of electronics were taken away. Apple hires a recycling specialist to take the items apart to salvage needed materials and responsibly get rid of the rest.
With that said, Apple's move to thinness for the sake of thinness at the expense of the ability to repair the machines seems flawed.
After al the crap about people who don't have $599 not working hard enough it is this comment that made me sign up to comment. The majority of the rest of the world would not give up everything they have to be a legal citizen of the US. Your nation is ok I guess, got some great national parks, but your crazy reactions to patterned cloth make you a scary place to visit. You're not the only country with laws protecting free speech and the ability to burn flags.
Ok... simmer down there turbo! Since you are on these message boards, I assume you are from another first world country. With that said, I am not really referring to people in first world countries, I am referring to the majority of the worlds population that live in 2nd & 3rd world countries. The places that are ran by dictators, that have no free speech, that are oppressed every day by their governments or those who claim to be in charge. Just because I defend my country does not mean I hate yours... lighten up!
Apple has held large scale recycling events in Ann Arbor the last few years. People can come with most electronic items they want to be recycled. Last year close to twenty semi - trucks of electronics were taken away. Apple hires a recycling specialist to take the items apart to salvage needed materials and responsibly get rid of the rest.
With that said, Apple's move to thinness for the sake of thinness at the expense of the ability to repair the machines seems flawed.
The question is, what % is "the rest" and what % is recycled. It's a simple question. Apple does not say.
Yes, I'm not sure what detailed reasoning or explanation people are looking for. You pretty much summed it up. And I like the fact you said "paper measure", because that's all it is. Unless or until someone cam demonstrate that the rMBP is bad for the environment all this noise about Apple leaving EPEAT is just that, noise. Mostly spewed by Apple haters or those that have other another agenda (like iFixit).
I've been pretty clear about the detailed explanation I'm looking for. What percentage, by weight, of Apple products does Apple actually recycle when you give them the product for recycling.
I don't need to demonstrate that the rMBP is bad for the environment. Apple, like every other manufacturer, needs to demonstrate that their products are and will be substantially recycled.
Apple may have suggested updates to EPEAT, unfortunately, EPEAT seems unwilling to discuss the issue. As for Apple, their newest compact notebooks appear to fail the easily deconstructed requirement, since they have had to glue the display to the aluminum casing & several components are soldered in place for lack of alternatives to mounting components together that will fit into the compact body. That appears to be the major sticky point. As for recycling, no computer maker is required to handle all of the recycling of their products, so what amount they recycle is of no real value. The aluminum bodies are 100% recyclable, whether the competing ultrabooks by PC makers are as recyclable as aluminum is unknown. Apple does offer to recycle older Apple computers, but repurposing of older models may also be common as well
Checkout what Apple says about their environmental efforts @ www.apple.com/environment
...The city of San Francisco said earlier on Tuesday that it is notifying city agencies that Macs will not qualify for purchase with city funds.
What I don't understand is how Macs that were previously certified by EPEAT as recommended purchases & have not changed in any way, shape or form (aside from a sticker that adds to the carbon footprint), have suddenly become unsuitable for purchase by Government agencies. Can someone explain that in terms that don't include the following words:
Ok... simmer down there turbo! Since you are on these message boards, I assume you are from another first world country. With that said, I am not really referring to people in first world countries, I am referring to the majority of the worlds population that live in 2nd & 3rd world countries. The places that are ran by dictators, that have no free speech, that are oppressed every day by their governments or those who claim to be in charge. Just because I defend my country does not mean I hate yours... lighten up!
I'd have to side with Stanton, Mojo. Your blowhard "defense" comes off as pure jingoism. I find that kind of crowing about American superiority embarassing.
Q: What happens to computers when they are recycled?
A: When you recycle with Apple, your used equipment is disassembled, and key components that can be reused are removed. Glass and metal can be reprocessed for use in new products. A majority of the plastics can be pelletized into a raw secondary material. With materials reprocessing and component reuse, Apple often achieves a 90 percent recovery rate by weight of the original product.
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Originally Posted by Apple ][
I don't follow or agree with all laws, but when it comes to panhandlers and beggars, I do happen to agree that it's a bad idea and counterproductive to give those types any sort of money at all.
As for your second comment, I seem to catch more flack here than ten Fandroids combined! So, I always have to be on the defensive.
my point exactly, how is this apple focused comments..lol
Peeps,
It always makes me laugh, when people who do not like Apple products come to this forum and rant about the issues of Apple. Now do not get me wrong, this is a free comment forum, where anyone, who stays within forum rules can comment. But it is illogically for people who do not like Apple, to waste their time and rant about negative, since comments are wasted, since Apple will not change their strategy based on Apple haters.
As I would not go into Microsoft forum to discuss their products, since I know my words would be wasted.
But each to their own, just wish these people would be more constructive and less cheap thrill, cheap shot comments.
A lot of people on this board have no faith in Apple... every decision that they make as a company is thoroughly thought out and calculated beyond what we can even imagine. There is an end game here people, we just have to be patient.
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Originally Posted by Gazoobee
I think you should go to San Francisco, drop some acid, and hug a hippy or two. Maybe burn an American flag once in a while to keep things in perspective. Today's world isn't as bad as you think it is, and the old world wasn't as good as you remember either.
I'm sorry, I don't like getting off topic either, but I couldn't let this quote go. The reason that you are even able post something like this without being thrown in jail or worse, like you would in many other countries, is because of everything that flag represents! It makes me sick how quickly people are willing to bite the hand that feeds them, especially when the majority of the rest of the world would give up everything they have to be a legal citizen of our great nation.
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Originally Posted by souliisoul
But the issue is you do not comment on just Apple news, you start commenting on other people comments and make less thoughtful comments that also off topic, so stop ranting about us being off topic, because you started the diversion.
I disagree that I started any diversion.
Somebody claiming that a $599 Mac Mini was not affordable is just about the most ridiculous comment that I have ever read on this site, and I shouldn't be blamed for replying and saying that it was very cheap.
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Originally Posted by souliisoul
As I would not go into Microsoft forum to discuss their products, since I know my words would be wasted.
I agree with you on that! I am a well known Android hater, and I have never concealed my distaste for that inferior and poor OS. However, you'll never see me signing up to an Android forum. What a waste of time!
And Apple haters should not come here either. They have no business being here. They should get lost.
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Originally Posted by MojoRisinSD
A lot of people on this board have no faith in Apple... every decision that they make as a company is thoroughly thought out and calculated beyond what we can even imagine. There is an end game here people, we just have to be patient.
I'm sorry, I don't like getting off topic either, but I couldn't let this quote go. The reason that you are even able post something like this without being thrown in jail or worse, like you would in many other countries, is because of everything that flag represents! It makes me sick how quickly people are willing to bite the hand that feeds them, especially when the majority of the rest of the world would give up everything they have to be a legal citizen of our great nation.
Faith? No. That's for church if you are religious. Apple is a company. I say "trust but verify".
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Originally Posted by Alonso Perez
Faith? No. That's for church if you are religious. Apple is a company. I say "trust but verify".
Why do you have to bring up religion?... nobody said anything about religion. If you look up the word "faith", the main definition is listed as:
faith
noun
1.
confidence or trust in a person or thing: faith in another's stability.
Obviously you have been wronged or misled by Apple in the past, or at least want to believe that you have been for some reason. I myself have never been given a reason to question Apple's practices or business ethics in any way, shape, or form. Also, until they give me a reason to question them, they will have my complete faith (trust) in their company.
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Originally Posted by MojoRisinSD
Also, until they give me a reason to question them, they will have my complete faith (trust) in their company.
Same here. I can easily buy a new Apple product without even trying it out, because of my past experiences with already having bought plenty of their products, and not one has ever let me down.
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Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton
What insights are you seeking? EPEAT has a paper measure of recyclability. Apple decided that it should not be measured by those standards, but that it still cares about the environment. Its reasons are probably due to the demands of their changing manufacturing process (for example, using glue instead of screws). There really isn't much more to it than that.
Yes, I'm not sure what detailed reasoning or explanation people are looking for. You pretty much summed it up. And I like the fact you said "paper measure", because that's all it is. Unless or until someone cam demonstrate that the rMBP is bad for the environment all this noise about Apple leaving EPEAT is just that, noise. Mostly spewed by Apple haters or those that have other another agenda (like iFixit).
Apple may have good reasons for withdrawing from EPEAT and be relatively ecologically friendly in their complete footprint as described on their website, but they dropped the PR ball by not providing more detail in advance for the EPEAT decision: "Specific requirement X does not make sense for our new products because Y.", "We would return to EPEAT if Z was changed."
Anything they say now sounds like damage control and this is not going away until they give specifics. For a company with a good record for image control, they look like amateurs this time.
The actual story here is that the CEO of EAPAT openly and without quibbling admits that their standards are at least partially obsolete. Of course Frisbee, like all CEOs, is temporizing, minimizing, and otherwise trying to draw attention away from his organization's flaws. Given the rate at which the technology evolves, "long in the tooth" is a euphemism for "grotesquely outdated," i.e., no longer relevant in the real world and in desperate need of revision.
When governing bodies don't move at least as quickly as the efforts they govern, the arguments of Ayn Rand's fervent, glassy-eyed disciples gain weight and we come that much closer to corporate "might equals right."
The failure here is EAPAT's. Corporations like Apple don't make decisions that will decrease sales and damage their reputation lightly. EAPAT must get its house in order before it loses all credibility. San Francisco's action is typically reactionary; well-intentioned and misguided. It would be far more productive if it and other concerned municipalities threatened to drop adherence to EAPAT until its standards are revised. "Easily disassembled" is an absurd notion when applied to technologies that are rapidly moving toward microscopic components.
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Originally Posted by MojoRisinSD
A lot of people on this board have no faith in Apple... every decision that they make as a company is thoroughly thought out and calculated beyond what we can even imagine. There is an end game here people, we just have to be patient.
I'm sorry, I don't like getting off topic either, but I couldn't let this quote go. The reason that you are even able post something like this without being thrown in jail or worse, like you would in many other countries, is because of everything that flag represents! It makes me sick how quickly people are willing to bite the hand that feeds them, especially when the majority of the rest of the world would give up everything they have to be a legal citizen of our great nation.
After al the crap about people who don't have $599 not working hard enough it is this comment that made me sign up to comment. The majority of the rest of the world would not give up everything they have to be a legal citizen of the US. Your nation is ok I guess, got some great national parks, but your crazy reactions to patterned cloth make you a scary place to visit. You're not the only country with laws protecting free speech and the ability to burn flags.
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Originally Posted by boeyc15
Back to our story... Yes Apple says they do a lot for the environment... How that truly compares to what others...say dell or Samsung does, I do not know. Don't a lot of these company's use Foxconn? Does Foxconn have a supposedly environmentally friendly factory for Apple, then dump toxic crap for the others? Apple did say they forced changes in manufacturing processes. How good is Apples recycleability compared to others? Hmmmm. Need more fact finding, critical analysis etc.
Apple has held large scale recycling events in Ann Arbor the last few years. People can come with most electronic items they want to be recycled. Last year close to twenty semi - trucks of electronics were taken away. Apple hires a recycling specialist to take the items apart to salvage needed materials and responsibly get rid of the rest.
With that said, Apple's move to thinness for the sake of thinness at the expense of the ability to repair the machines seems flawed.
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Originally Posted by Craig Stanton
After al the crap about people who don't have $599 not working hard enough it is this comment that made me sign up to comment. The majority of the rest of the world would not give up everything they have to be a legal citizen of the US. Your nation is ok I guess, got some great national parks, but your crazy reactions to patterned cloth make you a scary place to visit. You're not the only country with laws protecting free speech and the ability to burn flags.
Ok... simmer down there turbo! Since you are on these message boards, I assume you are from another first world country. With that said, I am not really referring to people in first world countries, I am referring to the majority of the worlds population that live in 2nd & 3rd world countries. The places that are ran by dictators, that have no free speech, that are oppressed every day by their governments or those who claim to be in charge. Just because I defend my country does not mean I hate yours... lighten up!
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Originally Posted by TBell
Apple has held large scale recycling events in Ann Arbor the last few years. People can come with most electronic items they want to be recycled. Last year close to twenty semi - trucks of electronics were taken away. Apple hires a recycling specialist to take the items apart to salvage needed materials and responsibly get rid of the rest.
With that said, Apple's move to thinness for the sake of thinness at the expense of the ability to repair the machines seems flawed.
The question is, what % is "the rest" and what % is recycled. It's a simple question. Apple does not say.
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Originally Posted by Rogifan
Yes, I'm not sure what detailed reasoning or explanation people are looking for. You pretty much summed it up. And I like the fact you said "paper measure", because that's all it is. Unless or until someone cam demonstrate that the rMBP is bad for the environment all this noise about Apple leaving EPEAT is just that, noise. Mostly spewed by Apple haters or those that have other another agenda (like iFixit).
I've been pretty clear about the detailed explanation I'm looking for. What percentage, by weight, of Apple products does Apple actually recycle when you give them the product for recycling.
I don't need to demonstrate that the rMBP is bad for the environment. Apple, like every other manufacturer, needs to demonstrate that their products are and will be substantially recycled.
Checkout what Apple says about their environmental efforts @ www.apple.com/environment
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...The city of San Francisco said earlier on Tuesday that it is notifying city agencies that Macs will not qualify for purchase with city funds.
What I don't understand is how Macs that were previously certified by EPEAT as recommended purchases & have not changed in any way, shape or form (aside from a sticker that adds to the carbon footprint), have suddenly become unsuitable for purchase by Government agencies. Can someone explain that in terms that don't include the following words:
Petulance, Double Standards, Spite, Sour Grapes.
I'd have to side with Stanton, Mojo. Your blowhard "defense" comes off as pure jingoism. I find that kind of crowing about American superiority embarassing.
http://www.apple.com/environment/faq.html
Q: What happens to computers when they are recycled?
A: When you recycle with Apple, your used equipment is disassembled, and key components that can be reused are removed. Glass and metal can be reprocessed for use in new products. A majority of the plastics can be pelletized into a raw secondary material. With materials reprocessing and component reuse, Apple often achieves a 90 percent recovery rate by weight of the original product.