Samsung is highly profitable in the handset market. Even pro Apple sites like Daring Fireball and Asymco have stated it. Just because you can't get an exact number on one metric doesn't mean general figures and trends can't be deduced. I'm not sure why you are so anti-Samsung here. You're usually more objective, yet i don't once recall you claiming that we can't know if the iPhone 4S is successful because Apple doesn't break out iPhone model numbers.
I truly wish you would read my responses to you more carefully. Sigh.
I am not going to repeat myself in too much detail except to say, again, that: (i) I neither like nor dislike Samsung; in fact, I have no opinion about them, because I don't particularly care; (ii) I like to deal with, and get into arguments over, facts; (iii) I don't know who Daring Fireball and Asymco are, but I am guessing they are not finance websites; (iv) Like I said, I don't know -- and I don't care about -- 4S's share.
That's just it... there are no Samsung numbers... all we have are 3rd party analysts.
Are all the analysts pumping up their numbers from their surveys and channel checks?
Hard to say. Depends on how Samsung and the retailers report the numbers. Don't get me wrong. Of course Samsung is selling quite a few phones but I honestly don't believe the numbers are anywhere close to what is being reported. It was shortly after Samsung got caught lying about the GT1 sales that they pulled their numbers reports.
By the way... spiffs at the high end of the chain can cause numbers to dramatically change. Some retailers have been known to hold inventory just to get a prize package from the manufacturer.
My point was.... every quarter Samsung produces new phones. If there were millions of unsold phones sitting around in carrier stores... the stores wouldn't order any more from Samsung. It's like that in every retail business. Samsung keeps "shipping" the phones to stores... so I tend to believe they are also "selling" those phones to consumers. Have you ever seen a Samsung phone out on the street? I've seen plenty.
That's why I have a hard time believing this notion of "Samsung ships but never sells..."
And it's also hard to believe that a brand new flagship phone like the GSIII is having difficulty being sold.
Isn't Samsung a Korean company? Maybe they don't have to report that stuff.
Why doesn't Amazon provide Kindle sales numbers? They're a US company. Can the SEC sue Amazon for not providing numbers?
Maybe Samsung... like Amazon... is afraid to publish those results?
I know you like audited numbers... but Samsung does not provide end-user sales.
That's neither good nor bad... it's just what they do.
We must rely on 3rd party analysts... and they all say Samsung is selling very well. So..... yeah.
Apparently you are the one in need a basic math lesson, so let me offer a helping hand.
First I will correct the odd way in which you calculate duration. When the S3 went on sale May 29th, and the quarter ended June 30th, that comes out to a duration of 33 days. 33 days does NOT equal "2 months" by any stretch of the imagination.
You are welcome to your "common sense." I like audited numbers.
If internet 'hits' were facts, Elvis would be living next door to me, and Michael Jackson would be dating him.
That's fine. Close your eyes and cover your ears and go, "la la la la laaaaaa". Like I said, people like you choose to ignore the facts UNTIL they fit your reasoning, ideals, propogandized mind, whatever you want to call it... You can believe what you want. That's your choice. I never believed ignorance was bliss, but you are making me a believer.
I appreciate the news cycle on this site, but **** if I know why I ever come to the forums. Hell, I like Apple, a ton, but not it's fanboys. One competitor does a quarter of the sales of the iPhone and you savages descend on it like a bunch of vultures.
That's fine. Close your eyes and cover your ears and go, "la la la la laaaaaa". Like I said, people like you choose to ignore the facts UNTIL they fit your reasoning, ideals, propogandized mind, whatever you want to call it... You can believe what you want. That's your choice. I never believed ignorance was bliss, but you are making me a believer.
My point was.... every quarter Samsung produces new phones. If there were millions of unsold phones sitting around in carrier stores... the stores wouldn't order any more from Samsung. It's like that in every retail business. Samsung keeps "shipping" the phones to stores... so I tend to believe they are also "selling" those phones to consumers.
You have no way of knowing how many are sold to customers. And they don't have to pile up in warehouses. It is quite conceivable that unsold phones end up getting returned to Samsung for credit or marked down and sold at a big discount.
Apparently you are the one in need a basic math lesson, so let me offer a helping hand.
First I will correct the odd way in which you calculate duration. When the S3 went on sale May 29th, and the quarter ended June 30th, that comes out to a duration of 33 days. 33 days does NOT equal "2 months" by any stretch of the imagination.
Second, lets correct the way in which you calculate rate and time. At 33 days, and 6.5M units, the S3 was shipping at an average rate of almost 200k phones per day during a PARTIAL release. Samsung would have shipped almost 18M S3 units at this rate if it had been available for the entire quarter (91*200k). Heck, this is the case without even taking into account the fact that it is just now being released into one of the largest consumer markets, the US!
Regardless of the actual launch date, instead of making a ridiculous assumption that sales will continue unchanged (keep in mind that they had 9 M preorders so a lot of those 6.5 M phones sold were actually ordered over a several month period), let's look at start up rates.
The iPhone 4S sold 4 M phones in the first weekend. The Galaxy SIII sold 6.5 M in the first 33 days to 2 months (whichever launch date is correct). So how in the world do you conclude that the SIII sold faster than the iPhone 4S?
Third, lets correct the way in which you calculate channel inventory. When a company is NOT able to keep up with demand, as is the case with the S3, this means that shipped units go straight to the consumer. Do you really think that the US market has been delayed with excess inventory in the channel? The correct answer is NO.
Do you think that not a single retailer had a single SIII on the shelf at the end of June? If there were ANY on the shelf, then the number in consumers' hands were less than 6.5 M. Unfortunately, since Samsung is apparently so embarrassed about heir performance that they don't release numbers so we don't know how many were actually sold to consumers. For Apple, they report how many are in the channel at the end of each period, so we know exactly how many were sold to end users.
You have no way of knowing how many are sold to customers. And they don't have to pile up in warehouses. It is quite conceivable that unsold phones end up getting returned to Samsung for credit or marked down and sold at a big discount.
That's absolute BS! Last quarter they posted $5.15 billion for their electronics division. Within that they posted $3.8 billion for their handset division with an operating margins jumped to 18.4% that was from 12% the previous quarter. I think in their conference calls they specifically called out The Galaxy S line as being huge winners for the company.
If you think they can make that kind of coin and increase their margins YoY and QoQ by storing it all in warehouses before being returned to Samsung and then sold at a loss you, anantksundaram and whoever else needs to come up with an actual argument that can feasibly discredit their quarterly results.
You shun the success of a competitor company to defend your Apple fanboy cockiness. The Samsung S3 is a great phone and is selling very well, leave it at that. It is an Apple competitor, but not on the scale that Apple sells the iPhone. It cannot go head to head with them, but will certainly take away people from the aging iPhone.
I don't really think that any single Android phone will move numbers comparable with iPhone. Only if only one brand and only one model remain on the market... maybe. But as long as Android buyers have choice, sales of individual models will always be watered down by "in-house" competition.
You have no way of knowing how many are sold to customers. And they don't have to pile up in warehouses. It is quite conceivable that unsold phones end up getting returned to Samsung for credit or marked down and sold at a big discount.
Why is it inconceivable that Samsung sells a lot of phones?
Don't forget... Android has 50% of the worldwide smartphone market... and Samsung makes up the majority of that. Sorry... Samsung is a big deal... and I say this as an iPhone user...
As for unsold phones... any huge amount of returns would show up on their quarterly results. They'd have to give that money back... ya know.
It would be front page news if retailers were returning millions of unsold Samsung phones... but I haven't heard anything about that.
Jesus was a shepherd, and he shepherded a bunch of sheeps.
The six-feet-under turtlenecked SJ [could he be Super Jesus?] was an i-shepherd, and he i-shepherded a bunch of i-sheeps.
So, your answer is not "fanboy" but "i-sheep".
Pstt..., Super Jesus was their savior after being beaten up to pulps by BG's windows [yes..., that's Big God]. It's a blasphemy to say something bad about Super Jesus or his highness divinely inspired i-devices. Do you think the Church of Scientology is wacky and dangerous? You gotta wait until you see a bunch of i-sheeps camp, sometimes for days, outside their beloved highly commercial fruit company's temple and have a look how they react when they finally got their hands on their new bibl...,er..., i-devices.
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Please enlighten me what terminology you use as opposed to "fanboy."
Jesus was a shepherd, and he shepherded a bunch of sheeps.
The six-feet-under turtlenecked SJ [could he be Super Jesus?] was an i-shepherd, and he i-shepherded a bunch of i-sheeps.
So, your answer is not "fanboy" but "i-sheep".
Pstt..., Super Jesus was their savior after being beaten up to pulps by BG's windows [yes..., that's Big God]. It's a blasphemy to say something bad about Super Jesus or his highness divinely inspired i-devices. Do you think the Church of Scientology is wacky and dangerous? You gotta wait until you see a bunch of i-sheeps camp, sometimes for days, outside their beloved highly commercial fruit company's temple and have a look how they react when they finally got their hands on their new bibl...,er..., i-devices.
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Originally Posted by mostcallmerob
Please enlighten me what terminology you use as opposed to "fanboy."
It's simply that I don't believe the numbers that are regularly trotted out by people like you, since they are based on surmise and estimates rather than actual facts.
The numbers I quoted are in the main story - I don't have my own set of numbers.
I don't necessarily believe the numbers either - Samsung or Apple numbers. What's more useful is how they point to a trend - who's on the up and who's on the down.
I don't doubt that it's popular and will sell millons.
However, I have to question the sanity of a purchasing decision by someone whose main criterion is that they hate the competition. It must be really sad to be an Android fan and have no other reason to by your phone than "I hate Apple".
You might ask HP about that wrt the Touchpad.
It already has sold millions so I think that boat has sailed. That really doesn't bother me coz like I said before I doubt those people would have bought an iPhone anyway. It's like the MS Surface - even if it was a really good product I still wouldn't buy it over the iPad coz I've had so many bad experiences with MS stuff that I just don't want to know them anymore.
Samsung on Sunday crossed a company record by selling three million Galaxy S II phones in 55 days. The Android flagship hit its milestone 30 days faster than the original Galaxy S. At its peak, Galaxy S II phones have been selling at a rate of one every 1.5 seconds.
Much of that success comes from Europe, Samsung said. The dual-core device "dramatically increased' Samsung's phone market share in the continent. Austria and Switzerland were the highlights regardless of devices: at 30 percent and 36 percent of the smartphone market in each country, the Korean badge was out in front. Samsung has also been the top smartphone label in the UK for the past 17 weeks, although only a few of those could have been affected by the Galaxy S II.
The company now expects to get to the 10 million mark sooner than for the original Galaxy S. Its full hand also hasn't been played yet as the company is widely if unofficially known to be bringing the Galaxy S II to the US in the summer. A significant part of Samsung's international expansion for the phone also has yet to take root.
SEOUL, KOREA — Samsung Electronics' latest smartphone brand, 'Galaxy S' III LTE model set a new sales record in Korea on its first day of release. On 9, the largest IT company in Korea announced that more than 50,000 people began a new Galaxy experience via three biggest Korean telecommunication groups (LG U+, KT, and SKT), five and two times higher than each Galaxy S with 10,000 and Galaxy S II, 24,000 previsouly.
Customers stormed several mobile shops across the peninsula. but some had to return home Galaxy-less due to a technical jam and lack of sales staff.
I know from other forums that the S III is a very popular device with many people choosing them - so is the iPhone. The US is probably Apple's safest market. I am not surprised many AI posters do not have personal anecdotal evidence of the popularity of Samsung devices, as they do not have the same prominence in the US market that Apple has. Outside the US, Samsung phones are very popular. In my family there are three Samsung phones in use and one Nokia.
Are they called the same model? Are people aware of these differences?
The International version uses quad-core processors. Unfortunately those processors are not yet compatible with the US's LTE networks. Compatible processors should be available later this year. To be able to take advantage of our 4G networks they had to use dual-core Snapdragon's here.
Apparently you have made the false assumption that all companies operate the same as Apple and begin releasing their product immediately after they announce them. Even though the S3 launch date took place on the 3rd, they did not begin selling it until the EMEA region on the 29th.
Regardless of the actual launch date, instead of making a ridiculous assumption that sales will continue unchanged (keep in mind that they had 9 M preorders so a lot of those 6.5 M phones sold were actually ordered over a several month period), let's look at start up rates.
This article has nothing to do with sales, it has to do with units shipped. None of the preorders in the US were shipped in June and are just now being released. With how large the US consumer market is, it seems more than reasonable that the shortfall of 3.5M could be attributed to these delays.
What is so ridiculous about my assumptions on sales continuing unchanged? Considering that Samsung can STILL not keep up with demand, this seems more than reasonable. Apparently most analysts agree with me as well with an estimate of 15M units sold in Q3.
Originally Posted by jragosta
The iPhone 4S sold 4 M phones in the first weekend. The Galaxy SIII sold 6.5 M in the first 33 days to 2 months (whichever launch date is correct). So how in the world do you conclude that the SIII sold faster than the iPhone 4S?
I never suggested that the SIII sold faster than the iPhone 4S. I was merely correcting you for your GROSSLY understated numbers. It appears that the straw man argument is a very popular tactic for you as this is the second time you are being called out for it in this article alone!
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That's just it... there are no Samsung numbers... all we have are 3rd party analysts.
Are all the analysts pumping up their numbers from their surveys and channel checks?
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
Samsung is highly profitable in the handset market. Even pro Apple sites like Daring Fireball and Asymco have stated it. Just because you can't get an exact number on one metric doesn't mean general figures and trends can't be deduced. I'm not sure why you are so anti-Samsung here. You're usually more objective, yet i don't once recall you claiming that we can't know if the iPhone 4S is successful because Apple doesn't break out iPhone model numbers.
I truly wish you would read my responses to you more carefully. Sigh.
I am not going to repeat myself in too much detail except to say, again, that: (i) I neither like nor dislike Samsung; in fact, I have no opinion about them, because I don't particularly care; (ii) I like to deal with, and get into arguments over, facts; (iii) I don't know who Daring Fireball and Asymco are, but I am guessing they are not finance websites; (iv) Like I said, I don't know -- and I don't care about -- 4S's share.
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Originally Posted by Michael Scrip
That's just it... there are no Samsung numbers... all we have are 3rd party analysts.
Are all the analysts pumping up their numbers from their surveys and channel checks?
Hard to say. Depends on how Samsung and the retailers report the numbers. Don't get me wrong. Of course Samsung is selling quite a few phones but I honestly don't believe the numbers are anywhere close to what is being reported. It was shortly after Samsung got caught lying about the GT1 sales that they pulled their numbers reports.
By the way... spiffs at the high end of the chain can cause numbers to dramatically change. Some retailers have been known to hold inventory just to get a prize package from the manufacturer.
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Originally Posted by Michael Scrip
My point was.... every quarter Samsung produces new phones. If there were millions of unsold phones sitting around in carrier stores... the stores wouldn't order any more from Samsung. It's like that in every retail business. Samsung keeps "shipping" the phones to stores... so I tend to believe they are also "selling" those phones to consumers. Have you ever seen a Samsung phone out on the street? I've seen plenty.
That's why I have a hard time believing this notion of "Samsung ships but never sells..."
And it's also hard to believe that a brand new flagship phone like the GSIII is having difficulty being sold.
Isn't Samsung a Korean company? Maybe they don't have to report that stuff.
Why doesn't Amazon provide Kindle sales numbers? They're a US company. Can the SEC sue Amazon for not providing numbers?
Maybe Samsung... like Amazon... is afraid to publish those results?
I know you like audited numbers... but Samsung does not provide end-user sales.
That's neither good nor bad... it's just what they do.
We must rely on 3rd party analysts... and they all say Samsung is selling very well. So..... yeah.
Clap clap clap.
You finally got it.
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Originally Posted by e_veritas
Apparently you are the one in need a basic math lesson, so let me offer a helping hand.
First I will correct the odd way in which you calculate duration. When the S3 went on sale May 29th, and the quarter ended June 30th, that comes out to a duration of 33 days. 33 days does NOT equal "2 months" by any stretch of the imagination.
Does that count "9 million preorders"?
I appreciate the news cycle on this site, but **** if I know why I ever come to the forums. Hell, I like Apple, a ton, but not it's fanboys. One competitor does a quarter of the sales of the iPhone and you savages descend on it like a bunch of vultures.
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Originally Posted by Mac.World
That's fine. Close your eyes and cover your ears and go, "la la la la laaaaaa". Like I said, people like you choose to ignore the facts UNTIL they fit your reasoning, ideals, propogandized mind, whatever you want to call it... You can believe what you want. That's your choice. I never believed ignorance was bliss, but you are making me a believer.
You're very funny. Really.
You have no way of knowing how many are sold to customers. And they don't have to pile up in warehouses. It is quite conceivable that unsold phones end up getting returned to Samsung for credit or marked down and sold at a big discount.
For starters, you seem to be playing fast and loose with the launch date. The official date I saw was May 3:
http://www.littledoremi.com/officialgalaxy-siii-launch-event-on-3rd-may-2012/
Regardless of the actual launch date, instead of making a ridiculous assumption that sales will continue unchanged (keep in mind that they had 9 M preorders so a lot of those 6.5 M phones sold were actually ordered over a several month period), let's look at start up rates.
The iPhone 4S sold 4 M phones in the first weekend. The Galaxy SIII sold 6.5 M in the first 33 days to 2 months (whichever launch date is correct). So how in the world do you conclude that the SIII sold faster than the iPhone 4S?
Do you think that not a single retailer had a single SIII on the shelf at the end of June? If there were ANY on the shelf, then the number in consumers' hands were less than 6.5 M. Unfortunately, since Samsung is apparently so embarrassed about heir performance that they don't release numbers so we don't know how many were actually sold to consumers. For Apple, they report how many are in the channel at the end of each period, so we know exactly how many were sold to end users.
That's absolute BS! Last quarter they posted $5.15 billion for their electronics division. Within that they posted $3.8 billion for their handset division with an operating margins jumped to 18.4% that was from 12% the previous quarter. I think in their conference calls they specifically called out The Galaxy S line as being huge winners for the company.
If you think they can make that kind of coin and increase their margins YoY and QoQ by storing it all in warehouses before being returned to Samsung and then sold at a loss you, anantksundaram and whoever else needs to come up with an actual argument that can feasibly discredit their quarterly results.
I don't really think that any single Android phone will move numbers comparable with iPhone. Only if only one brand and only one model remain on the market... maybe. But as long as Android buyers have choice, sales of individual models will always be watered down by "in-house" competition.
Why is it inconceivable that Samsung sells a lot of phones?
Don't forget... Android has 50% of the worldwide smartphone market... and Samsung makes up the majority of that. Sorry... Samsung is a big deal... and I say this as an iPhone user...
As for unsold phones... any huge amount of returns would show up on their quarterly results. They'd have to give that money back... ya know.
It would be front page news if retailers were returning millions of unsold Samsung phones... but I haven't heard anything about that.
Jesus was a shepherd, and he shepherded a bunch of sheeps.
The six-feet-under turtlenecked SJ [could he be Super Jesus?] was an i-shepherd, and he i-shepherded a bunch of i-sheeps.
So, your answer is not "fanboy" but "i-sheep".
Pstt..., Super Jesus was their savior after being beaten up to pulps by BG's windows [yes..., that's Big God]. It's a blasphemy to say something bad about Super Jesus or his highness divinely inspired i-devices. Do you think the Church of Scientology is wacky and dangerous? You gotta wait until you see a bunch of i-sheeps camp, sometimes for days, outside their beloved highly commercial fruit company's temple and have a look how they react when they finally got their hands on their new bibl...,er..., i-devices.
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Originally Posted by mostcallmerob
Please enlighten me what terminology you use as opposed to "fanboy."
Jesus was a shepherd, and he shepherded a bunch of sheeps.
The six-feet-under turtlenecked SJ [could he be Super Jesus?] was an i-shepherd, and he i-shepherded a bunch of i-sheeps.
So, your answer is not "fanboy" but "i-sheep".
Pstt..., Super Jesus was their savior after being beaten up to pulps by BG's windows [yes..., that's Big God]. It's a blasphemy to say something bad about Super Jesus or his highness divinely inspired i-devices. Do you think the Church of Scientology is wacky and dangerous? You gotta wait until you see a bunch of i-sheeps camp, sometimes for days, outside their beloved highly commercial fruit company's temple and have a look how they react when they finally got their hands on their new bibl...,er..., i-devices.
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Originally Posted by mostcallmerob
Please enlighten me what terminology you use as opposed to "fanboy."
Sold to whom?
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram
It's simply that I don't believe the numbers that are regularly trotted out by people like you, since they are based on surmise and estimates rather than actual facts.
The numbers I quoted are in the main story - I don't have my own set of numbers.
I don't necessarily believe the numbers either - Samsung or Apple numbers. What's more useful is how they point to a trend - who's on the up and who's on the down.
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Originally Posted by jragosta
I don't doubt that it's popular and will sell millons.
However, I have to question the sanity of a purchasing decision by someone whose main criterion is that they hate the competition. It must be really sad to be an Android fan and have no other reason to by your phone than "I hate Apple".
You might ask HP about that wrt the Touchpad.
It already has sold millions so I think that boat has sailed. That really doesn't bother me coz like I said before I doubt those people would have bought an iPhone anyway. It's like the MS Surface - even if it was a really good product I still wouldn't buy it over the iPad coz I've had so many bad experiences with MS stuff that I just don't want to know them anymore.
Samsung claim the S III is selling well:
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Samsung Galaxy S II hits 3m sales in 55 days, boosts Europe
updated 01:30 am EDT, Sun July 3, 2011
Samsung breaks own record with Galaxy S II sales
Much of that success comes from Europe, Samsung said. The dual-core device "dramatically increased' Samsung's phone market share in the continent. Austria and Switzerland were the highlights regardless of devices: at 30 percent and 36 percent of the smartphone market in each country, the Korean badge was out in front. Samsung has also been the top smartphone label in the UK for the past 17 weeks, although only a few of those could have been affected by the Galaxy S II.Samsung on Sunday crossed a company record by selling three million Galaxy S II phones in 55 days. The Android flagship hit its milestone 30 days faster than the original Galaxy S. At its peak, Galaxy S II phones have been selling at a rate of one every 1.5 seconds.
The company now expects to get to the 10 million mark sooner than for the original Galaxy S. Its full hand also hasn't been played yet as the company is widely if unofficially known to be bringing the Galaxy S II to the US in the summer. A significant part of Samsung's international expansion for the phone also has yet to take root.
http://www.electronista.com/articles/11/07/03/samsung.breaks.own.record.with.galaxy.s.ii.sales/
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Samsung's Latest Galaxy S III Set New Record
Tuesday, July 10th, 2012
Korea IT Times (info@koreaittimes.com)
Park Jeong-jun (info@koreaittimes.com)
Galaxy S III Release
SEOUL, KOREA — Samsung Electronics' latest smartphone brand, 'Galaxy S' III LTE model set a new sales record in Korea on its first day of release. On 9, the largest IT company in Korea announced that more than 50,000 people began a new Galaxy experience via three biggest Korean telecommunication groups (LG U+, KT, and SKT), five and two times higher than each Galaxy S with 10,000 and Galaxy S II, 24,000 previsouly.
Customers stormed several mobile shops across the peninsula. but some had to return home Galaxy-less due to a technical jam and lack of sales staff.
I know from other forums that the S III is a very popular device with many people choosing them - so is the iPhone. The US is probably Apple's safest market. I am not surprised many AI posters do not have personal anecdotal evidence of the popularity of Samsung devices, as they do not have the same prominence in the US market that Apple has. Outside the US, Samsung phones are very popular. In my family there are three Samsung phones in use and one Nokia.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Whoa, wh… "some"?
Are they called the same model? Are people aware of these differences?
The International version uses quad-core processors. Unfortunately those processors are not yet compatible with the US's LTE networks. Compatible processors should be available later this year. To be able to take advantage of our 4G networks they had to use dual-core Snapdragon's here.
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Originally Posted by jragosta
For starters, you seem to be playing fast and loose with the launch date. The official date I saw was May 3:
http://www.littledoremi.com/officialgalaxy-siii-launch-event-on-3rd-may-2012/
Apparently you have made the false assumption that all companies operate the same as Apple and begin releasing their product immediately after they announce them. Even though the S3 launch date took place on the 3rd, they did not begin selling it until the EMEA region on the 29th.
http://www.phonesreview.co.uk/2012/05/29/samsung-galaxy-s3-big-launch-to-28-countries/
Originally Posted by jragosta
Regardless of the actual launch date, instead of making a ridiculous assumption that sales will continue unchanged (keep in mind that they had 9 M preorders so a lot of those 6.5 M phones sold were actually ordered over a several month period), let's look at start up rates.
This article has nothing to do with sales, it has to do with units shipped. None of the preorders in the US were shipped in June and are just now being released. With how large the US consumer market is, it seems more than reasonable that the shortfall of 3.5M could be attributed to these delays.
What is so ridiculous about my assumptions on sales continuing unchanged? Considering that Samsung can STILL not keep up with demand, this seems more than reasonable. Apparently most analysts agree with me as well with an estimate of 15M units sold in Q3.
Originally Posted by jragosta
The iPhone 4S sold 4 M phones in the first weekend. The Galaxy SIII sold 6.5 M in the first 33 days to 2 months (whichever launch date is correct). So how in the world do you conclude that the SIII sold faster than the iPhone 4S?
I never suggested that the SIII sold faster than the iPhone 4S. I was merely correcting you for your GROSSLY understated numbers. It appears that the straw man argument is a very popular tactic for you as this is the second time you are being called out for it in this article alone!