but do you get that android = many many manufactures while iOS = 1 = Apple
Apple still has single most popular phone in the world
Does that really matter. If all the Android manufacturers collectively sell 100 million phones and Apple sells 26 million but is number one because the Android market is fragmented across many manufacturers does that make a difference.
People are accustomed to Apple blowing everyone away 7 times over.
It's only 4 times over this time.
That said, Apple doesn't need to give any reasons for any "slowdown." Why call attention to it? It's APPLE. This slowdown will be a faint memory a few quarters from now, when they'll be back to posting insane results.
Most economists expect the global economic crisis to get worse before it gets better and continue on towards the end of this decade. Europe is on the verge of meltdown. The US national debt is at startling levels and continues to rise, even the BRIC economies such as China are starting to slow down considerably with thousands of Chinese workers being laid off every day believe it or not.
I would be amazed if those insane results came back anytime soon.
Hate to be naysayer, but after owning the original, the 3G, the 3GS, and the 4, I think the iPhone is getting a little stale. More and more people are starting to look for something different, which is why phones like the Galaxy S series are becoming more and more successful. Especially since the recent leaked designs showing that it looks basically the same except with a longer screen are pretty underwhelming imho.
Hate to be naysayer, but after owning the original, the 3G, the 3GS, and the 4, I think the iPhone is getting a little stale. More and more people are starting to look for something different, which is why phones like the Galaxy S series are becoming more and more successful. Especially since the recent leaked designs showing that it looks basically the same except with a longer screen are pretty underwhelming imho.
What does the way a phone looks have to do with how you're going to use it? Seems to me the issue is iOS. And I didn't see anything at WWDC that really impressed me related to iOS. I think it's fair to say the retina MBP stole the show.
Hate to be naysayer, but after owning the original, the 3G, the 3GS, and the 4, I think the iPhone is getting a little stale.
So go buy a Samsung product. They become outdated in three months, but the new one is out in three months anyway, so you can keep up with your fixation on having a new case with no reason.
More and more people are starting to look for something different, which is why phones like the Galaxy S series are becoming more and more successful.
They want something different from an iPhone, so they go buy the phone whose design was stolen directly from the iPhone. I see.
Most economists expect the global economic crisis to get worse before it gets better and continue on towards the end of this decade. Europe is on the verge of meltdown. The US national debt is at startling levels and continues to rise, even the BRIC economies such as China are starting to slow down considerably with thousands of Chinese workers being laid off every day believe it or not.
I would be amazed if those insane results came back anytime soon.
Yep I think broader economic issues caused the bad quarter moreso than people fleeing iPhone for Samsung. Dow was down over 100 points today, there's talk about another recession coming. Maybe some on wall street thought Apple was immune to all of that. They're finding out now it's not.
What does the way a phone looks have to do with how you're going to use it? Seems to me the issue is iOS. And I didn't see anything at WWDC that really impressed me related to iOS. I think it's fair to say the retina MBP stole the show.
I think you're right about iOS also being stagnant in some ways. That's definitely also a factor. However, don't underestimate the importance of aesthetics. Jobs emphasized the importance of aesthetics in his products from day one.
So go buy a Samsung product. They become outdated in three months, but the new one is out in three months anyway, so you can keep up with your fixation on having a new case with no reason.
They want something different from an iPhone, so they go buy the phone whose design was stolen directly from the iPhone. I see.
Lol, sorry fanboy that you're so butthurt because of a dissenting opinion. Don't get me wrong. The iPhone doesn't "suck" like Android fanboys like to cry and continues to be a good product. But I do think there is a stagnation of sorts in both iOS and in the iPhone's design.
It's a bit lame to blame the rumours. We've had the same rumour mill around Apple products for many years.
I do have one criticism of Apple though. What I've noticed is that once one iOS device comes out the rumour mill shifts to the next likely upgrade. So in Jan/Feb it was all iPad rumours and then the March/April launch before things quietened down and the rumour mill moved on to the iPhone. If Apple had maintained it's annual update in June instead of Sept/Oct we would only have had one month's worth of rumours in May to put people off. But now we have May/June/July/Aug to stoke up all the rumours and put people off buying the current model. Four months instead of one. It's just a thought.
well, take it in stride. sales always boom in the Holidays, and always drop before in the months before the new model launch. both are skewed stats. just average it out - that is the true demand.
Apple should move forward the release date of the iPhone 5 with 4 inch screen. Does that mean Apple will be stuck with iPhone 5 and 5s with 4 inch screens for 2 years, during which the competition's 4.5 and 4.8 inches phones will be taking market share?
As of today, the competition's 7 inch tablets are selling like crazy while Apple's 7 inch tablet is still 3 months away, if they do indeed produce it.
... and rumors of new products were cited by executives as two of the biggest headwinds faced by Apple.
I waited almost a year to finally pick up a new MacBook this July. I'd imagine I'm not the only person. And, with new models and the school year looming, I would expect third quarter Mac sales to be much, much higher. But I'm no analyst
Actually, the odds of a Euro implosion are going up considerably, which would definitely affect European sales.
yes, there is a very real chance of a European "great recession" next year. that would definitely impact Apple - and everyone else too (for Nokia it could be fatal).
but then there is China to offset that. especially if Apple every makes that long-rumored deal with China Mobile.
I think you're right about iOS also being stagnant in some ways. That's definitely also a factor. However, don't underestimate the importance of aesthetics. Jobs emphasized the importance of aesthetics in his products from day one.
I agree, but I don't think Apple changes design just for the sake of it. I think we need to wait and see what the new phone will look like, All we have so far are rumors and photos of unfinished cases (that may or may not be legit). We know what iOS 6 looks like. I'm sure they're saving a few things for the iPhone launch but what we've seen so far is underwhelming.
Oh how large institutional investors like to manipulate APPL stock. Consensus is still over $900/share but even with such high profits it's not absurdly great so we'll tank the stock and then let the smaller twaddle buy it back up.
Hate to be naysayer, but after owning the original, the 3G, the 3GS, and the 4, I think the iPhone is getting a little stale. More and more people are starting to look for something different, which is why phones like the Galaxy S series are becoming more and more successful. Especially since the recent leaked designs showing that it looks basically the same except with a longer screen are pretty underwhelming imho.
well, IMHO i expect the wider/longer screen plus 4G for #5 will generate a lot of consumer enthusiasm. what do you want, iPod colors too?
Apple should move forward the release date of the iPhone 5 with 4 inch screen. Does that mean Apple will be stuck with iPhone 5 and 5s with 4 inch screens for 2 years, during which the competition's 4.5 and 4.8 inches phones will be taking market share?
As of today, the competition's 7 inch tablets are selling like crazy while Apple's 7 inch tablet is still 3 months away, if they do indeed produce it.
Can you supply some sales data that proves 7 inch tablets are "selling like crazy"? Like actual sales figures?
Apple should move forward the release date of the iPhone 5 with 4 inch screen. Does that mean Apple will be stuck with iPhone 5 and 5s with 4 inch screens for 2 years, during which the competition's 4.5 and 4.8 inches phones will be taking market share?
As of today, the competition's 7 inch tablets are selling like crazy while Apple's 7 inch tablet is still 3 months away, if they do indeed produce it.
Stick to not envisioning what Apple should or should not do. If you're an investor the stock will be humming right along during and after next quarters.
Oh how large institutional investors like to manipulate APPL stock. Consensus is still over $900/share but even with such high profits it's not absurdly great so we'll tank the stock and then let the smaller twaddle buy it back up.
I very much doubt the "smaller twaddle" have the collective strength to move the markets that much. I assume you're ignoring all the doubters and plowing all your savings into AAPL ready for that push to $900. When exactly was that due to happen - by the end of this year I believe many of the analysts predicted. Good luck with that.
Funny how so many people on here slate the analysts when they make product predictions but believe their share price predictions.
People are accustomed to Apple blowing everyone away 7 times over.
It's only 4 times over this time.
That said, Apple doesn't need to give any reasons for any "slowdown." Why call attention to it? It's APPLE. This slowdown will be a faint memory a few quarters from now, when they'll be back to posting insane results.
Lets not forget that apple beat there own guidance again, the only disappointment here is the pundits are upset there stupid forecasts did not pan out so they immediately call it a miss. The miss was not on apples part they did what they promised and more, it was on the stupid pundits part who cant forecast anything about apple right.
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Originally Posted by Just_Me
but do you get that android = many many manufactures while iOS = 1 = Apple
Apple still has single most popular phone in the world
Does that really matter. If all the Android manufacturers collectively sell 100 million phones and Apple sells 26 million but is number one because the Android market is fragmented across many manufacturers does that make a difference.
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Originally Posted by Quadra 610
People are accustomed to Apple blowing everyone away 7 times over.
It's only 4 times over this time.
That said, Apple doesn't need to give any reasons for any "slowdown." Why call attention to it? It's APPLE. This slowdown will be a faint memory a few quarters from now, when they'll be back to posting insane results.
Most economists expect the global economic crisis to get worse before it gets better and continue on towards the end of this decade. Europe is on the verge of meltdown. The US national debt is at startling levels and continues to rise, even the BRIC economies such as China are starting to slow down considerably with thousands of Chinese workers being laid off every day believe it or not.
I would be amazed if those insane results came back anytime soon.
Hate to be naysayer, but after owning the original, the 3G, the 3GS, and the 4, I think the iPhone is getting a little stale. More and more people are starting to look for something different, which is why phones like the Galaxy S series are becoming more and more successful. Especially since the recent leaked designs showing that it looks basically the same except with a longer screen are pretty underwhelming imho.
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Originally Posted by BuddyRevell
Hate to be naysayer, but after owning the original, the 3G, the 3GS, and the 4, I think the iPhone is getting a little stale.
So go buy a Samsung product. They become outdated in three months, but the new one is out in three months anyway, so you can keep up with your fixation on having a new case with no reason.
More and more people are starting to look for something different, which is why phones like the Galaxy S series are becoming more and more successful.
They want something different from an iPhone, so they go buy the phone whose design was stolen directly from the iPhone. I see.
Apple needs 4.5 inch phones and 7 inch tablets. As of now they are giving the competition the chance to make big money.
Macbook needs to be discounted just to improve slowing sales.
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Originally Posted by Rogifan
What does the way a phone looks have to do with how you're going to use it? Seems to me the issue is iOS. And I didn't see anything at WWDC that really impressed me related to iOS. I think it's fair to say the retina MBP stole the show.
I think you're right about iOS also being stagnant in some ways. That's definitely also a factor. However, don't underestimate the importance of aesthetics. Jobs emphasized the importance of aesthetics in his products from day one.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
So go buy a Samsung product. They become outdated in three months, but the new one is out in three months anyway, so you can keep up with your fixation on having a new case with no reason.
They want something different from an iPhone, so they go buy the phone whose design was stolen directly from the iPhone. I see.
Lol, sorry fanboy that you're so butthurt because of a dissenting opinion. Don't get me wrong. The iPhone doesn't "suck" like Android fanboys like to cry and continues to be a good product. But I do think there is a stagnation of sorts in both iOS and in the iPhone's design.
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Originally Posted by Shaun, UK
I would agree with you. I know - don't laugh lol.
It's a bit lame to blame the rumours. We've had the same rumour mill around Apple products for many years.
I do have one criticism of Apple though. What I've noticed is that once one iOS device comes out the rumour mill shifts to the next likely upgrade. So in Jan/Feb it was all iPad rumours and then the March/April launch before things quietened down and the rumour mill moved on to the iPhone. If Apple had maintained it's annual update in June instead of Sept/Oct we would only have had one month's worth of rumours in May to put people off. But now we have May/June/July/Aug to stoke up all the rumours and put people off buying the current model. Four months instead of one. It's just a thought.
well, take it in stride. sales always boom in the Holidays, and always drop before in the months before the new model launch. both are skewed stats. just average it out - that is the true demand.
Apple should move forward the release date of the iPhone 5 with 4 inch screen. Does that mean Apple will be stuck with iPhone 5 and 5s with 4 inch screens for 2 years, during which the competition's 4.5 and 4.8 inches phones will be taking market share?
As of today, the competition's 7 inch tablets are selling like crazy while Apple's 7 inch tablet is still 3 months away, if they do indeed produce it.
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider
... and rumors of new products were cited by executives as two of the biggest headwinds faced by Apple.
I waited almost a year to finally pick up a new MacBook this July. I'd imagine I'm not the only person. And, with new models and the school year looming, I would expect third quarter Mac sales to be much, much higher. But I'm no analyst
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Originally Posted by SpamSandwich
Actually, the odds of a Euro implosion are going up considerably, which would definitely affect European sales.
yes, there is a very real chance of a European "great recession" next year. that would definitely impact Apple - and everyone else too (for Nokia it could be fatal).
but then there is China to offset that. especially if Apple every makes that long-rumored deal with China Mobile.
Oh how large institutional investors like to manipulate APPL stock. Consensus is still over $900/share but even with such high profits it's not absurdly great so we'll tank the stock and then let the smaller twaddle buy it back up.
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Originally Posted by BuddyRevell
Hate to be naysayer, but after owning the original, the 3G, the 3GS, and the 4, I think the iPhone is getting a little stale. More and more people are starting to look for something different, which is why phones like the Galaxy S series are becoming more and more successful. Especially since the recent leaked designs showing that it looks basically the same except with a longer screen are pretty underwhelming imho.
well, IMHO i expect the wider/longer screen plus 4G for #5 will generate a lot of consumer enthusiasm. what do you want, iPod colors too?
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Originally Posted by peter236
Apple should move forward the release date of the iPhone 5 with 4 inch screen. Does that mean Apple will be stuck with iPhone 5 and 5s with 4 inch screens for 2 years, during which the competition's 4.5 and 4.8 inches phones will be taking market share?
As of today, the competition's 7 inch tablets are selling like crazy while Apple's 7 inch tablet is still 3 months away, if they do indeed produce it.
Stick to not envisioning what Apple should or should not do. If you're an investor the stock will be humming right along during and after next quarters.
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Originally Posted by mdriftmeyer
Oh how large institutional investors like to manipulate APPL stock. Consensus is still over $900/share but even with such high profits it's not absurdly great so we'll tank the stock and then let the smaller twaddle buy it back up.
I very much doubt the "smaller twaddle" have the collective strength to move the markets that much. I assume you're ignoring all the doubters and plowing all your savings into AAPL ready for that push to $900. When exactly was that due to happen - by the end of this year I believe many of the analysts predicted. Good luck with that.
Funny how so many people on here slate the analysts when they make product predictions but believe their share price predictions.
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Originally Posted by Quadra 610
People are accustomed to Apple blowing everyone away 7 times over.
It's only 4 times over this time.
That said, Apple doesn't need to give any reasons for any "slowdown." Why call attention to it? It's APPLE. This slowdown will be a faint memory a few quarters from now, when they'll be back to posting insane results.
Lets not forget that apple beat there own guidance again, the only disappointment here is the pundits are upset there stupid forecasts did not pan out so they immediately call it a miss. The miss was not on apples part they did what they promised and more, it was on the stupid pundits part who cant forecast anything about apple right.