I think a lot of people who have an iPhone 4 do not feel the need to upgrade since the 4S looks the same. I personally am in the market for a new laptop but just because the current generation Macbook Pro looks the same as my 2009 Macbook Pro, I refuse to upgrade until the design changes. Maybe a 13 inch Macbook Pro with Retina display will do it for me.
Lets not forget that apple beat there own guidance again, the only disappointment here is the pundits are upset there stupid forecasts did not pan out so they immediately call it a miss. The miss was not on apples part they did what they promised and more, it was on the stupid pundits part who cant forecast anything about apple right.
If Apple ever fails to meet their own highly conservative estimates then they really will be in trouble. Nobody believes those estimates.
I'm sick of hearing about bigger phone = innovation. Android OEM's are clearly beholden to the telecoms more than Apple. The telecoms are pushing LTE. Android OEM's said "sign me up". LTE requires bigger battery which require bigger phone. Telecoms marketed the crap out of these phones and now 4"+ screens equal innovation in the eyes of the media. In Walter Isaacson's book Jony Ive said he and Steve played around with 20 ipad prototypes before they settled on the current size. Do people really think Apple doesn't have a 4"+ phone or 7" iPad because they're stagnant and can't innovate? Obviously Apple didn't jump on LTE right away because of battery concerns. And with the iPad they felt a 10" device was the better form factor for a tablet. Apple sold 17M iPads this quarter. I'll bet right now the Nexus 7 doesn't come close to that.
Most economists expect the global economic crisis to get worse before it gets better and continue on towards the end of this decade. Europe is on the verge of meltdown. The US national debt is at startling levels and continues to rise, even the BRIC economies such as China are starting to slow down considerably with thousands of Chinese workers being laid off every day believe it or not.
I would be amazed if those insane results came back anytime soon.
Sorry, thats garbage. Apple has proven itself immune to the global economy, over and over again. The current iPhone is 8 months old, 26 million a quarter is pretty damn impressive in that sense, and they smashed their iPad records. Yes, we will see insane numbers, more insane then we've ever seen during the quarter of the next iPhone launch. Look at what the 4S did, being a device physically identical to the 4S, and deemed a massive dissapointment by the tech community. The next iPhone will be completely redesigned, and will fuel an unheard of amount of sales, regardless of the state of the economy.
I think a lot of people who have an iPhone 4 do not feel the need to upgrade since the 4S looks the same. I personally am in the market for a new laptop but just because the current generation Macbook Pro looks the same as my 2009 Macbook Pro, I refuse to upgrade until the design changes. Maybe a 13 inch Macbook Pro with Retina display will do it for me.
Outside of retina display why does the design need to change? What's wrong with the current design except that you might be bored with it? What does it have to do with how you use the device?
I find it comical that Apple is blaming the economy for sluggish sales given how Apple products have been always proven recession proof, perhaps not. Perhaps users are smart enough this time around to wait for the iP5 or iP6 or New iPhone or Next iPhone or whatever its going to be called due to the rumored NFC, LTE and larger screen. Can we be blamed for NOT wanting to spend money on a model that is outdated in 3 months and be old and a year of obsolesence built into it.
Sorry, thats garbage. Apple has proven itself immune to the global economy, over and over again. The current iPhone is 8 months old, 26 million a quarter is pretty damn impressive in that sense, and they smashed their iPad records. Yes, we will see insane numbers, more insane then we've ever seen during the quarter of the next iPhone launch. Look at what the 4S did, being a device physically identical to the 4S, and deemed a massive dissapointment by the tech community. The next iPhone will be completely redesigned, and will fuel an unheard of amount of sales, regardless of the state of the economy.
Sorry, no one is immune to the global economy. well, maybe except for arms merchants.
next year could be very bad - for everybody. worst case, Apple sales growth goes flat, or even down some. worse for Samsung. RIM and Nokia die. big drops for MS and the rest.
Yep I think broader economic issues caused the bad quarter moreso than people fleeing iPhone for Samsung. Dow was down over 100 points today, there's talk about another recession coming. Maybe some on wall street thought Apple was immune to all of that. They're finding out now it's not.
I think talk about a new extended recession in the US may be true. After the election, expect another terrible crash in the market no matter who is elected. If Obama, it will crash because quantitative easing will end and Obama will be a lame duck president. If Romney is elected, it will collapse because the criminals in charge now will face being replaced with a whole new gang of criminals.
Samsung sells 10 million GSIII's in 2 months and everyone is blown away.
Apple sells 26 million iPhones in 3 months and it's their worst quarter in years. And let's not even discuss tablet sales.
Yup, Apple is sure doomed
It's amazing what a little perspective can do.
Apple is growing like crazy year after year. Even with an allegedly weak product offering this year, look what they have *still* accomplished, in both Mac sales and especially iPad sales. 17 Million iPads. That is mind-boggling, to say the least.
Unless Germany reintroduces the mark, we can safely say that Apple is going to continue its rise and financial success. We have proof of this, given that they posted record quarters every single quarter during the recent recession.
I'm curious what they think Steve Jobs would have done differently these past 10 months had he been around. I have my reservations about Cook (I think he's more of an operations guy than a product guy) but its way to early to be digging his grave.
Sorry, no one is immune to the global economy. well, maybe except for arms merchants.
Even the arms manufacturers are laying off thousands of people here in the UK as the UK defence budget is slashed. They are closing one of the UK's oldest tank factories just down the road from me because apparently nobody is buying tanks. I think people are living in cloud cuckoo land if they think Apple will somehow remain immune from all this.
I think people are living in cloud cuckoo land if they think Apple will somehow remain immune from all this.
Well, again, they have been for the past four years. Unless this intensifies drastically (like the example I gave), nothing is going to change with Apple. They know what they're doing.
People are accustomed to Apple blowing everyone away 7 times over.
It's only 4 times over this time.
That said, Apple doesn't need to give any reasons for any "slowdown." Why call attention to it? It's APPLE. This slowdown will be a faint memory a few quarters from now, when they'll be back to posting insane results.
I agree but let's not forget Apple beat their own guidance. Apple took all these things into account. The fact Wall Street cannot get anything correct isn't Apple's fault.
Even the arms manufacturers are laying off thousands of people here in the UK as the UK defence budget is slashed. They are closing one of the UK's oldest tank factories just down the road from me because apparently nobody is buying tanks. I think people are living in cloud cuckoo land if they think Apple will somehow remain immune from all this.
well i guess that's the silver lining on the gathering global economic storm clouds.
next year will be worse economically worldwide. the only question is how much worse.
I think a lot of people who have an iPhone 4 do not feel the need to upgrade since the 4S looks the same. I personally am in the market for a new laptop but just because the current generation Macbook Pro looks the same as my 2009 Macbook Pro, I refuse to upgrade until the design changes. Maybe a 13 inch Macbook Pro with Retina display will do it for me.
Do you realize how stupid that sounds? First the design has changed considerablely with the retina MBP and what makes the MBP the MBP has changed dramtically in the 2012 models. Randomly changing the design of a MBP makes about as much sense as changing the design on a deck of cards. In both cases they are tools through which one exercises skills. They are not fashion accessories.
well, IMHO i expect the wider/longer screen plus 4G for #5 will generate a lot of consumer enthusiasm
What I find frustrating as someone who has invested in an Apple ecosystem is the WAIT for features others seem to bring to market so much more quickly and easily. I'm not excited that a future iPhone may finally have 4G capability, I'm embarrassed that there STILL isn't one NOW when EVERY competitor not only already offers that, but has for a long time now. Even *rumoured* products fall short of features other suppliers already include, like near-field RF.
What the market is responding to may well be the paradigm shift that has Apple playing catch-up instead of leading. Has ANYONE (besides fanboys) EVER actually bought an Apple product because it had a "Retina" display? Would the time, money and attention spent pursuing that be better spent on features that make a more significant contribution to the user experience than "Oh yes, I suppose that *does* look pretty, doesn't it?"
Do you realize how stupid that sounds? First the design has changed considerablely with the retina MBP and what makes the MBP the MBP has changed dramtically in the 2012 models. Randomly changing the design of a MBP makes about as much sense as changing the design on a deck of cards. In both cases they are tools through which one exercises skills. They are not fashion accessories.
No it does not sound stupid at all. Why would I go pay $1600 for a new Macbook Pro that looks exactly the same as my 2009 model. When the design does change, it will make my laptop appear outdated and I'll be forced to upgrade. So I am basically waiting for a new design to upgrade. And unless you are blind, the Retina Display Macbook Pro isn't a complete redesign.
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I think a lot of people who have an iPhone 4 do not feel the need to upgrade since the 4S looks the same. I personally am in the market for a new laptop but just because the current generation Macbook Pro looks the same as my 2009 Macbook Pro, I refuse to upgrade until the design changes. Maybe a 13 inch Macbook Pro with Retina display will do it for me.
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Lets not forget that apple beat there own guidance again, the only disappointment here is the pundits are upset there stupid forecasts did not pan out so they immediately call it a miss. The miss was not on apples part they did what they promised and more, it was on the stupid pundits part who cant forecast anything about apple right.
If Apple ever fails to meet their own highly conservative estimates then they really will be in trouble. Nobody believes those estimates.
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Most economists expect the global economic crisis to get worse before it gets better and continue on towards the end of this decade. Europe is on the verge of meltdown. The US national debt is at startling levels and continues to rise, even the BRIC economies such as China are starting to slow down considerably with thousands of Chinese workers being laid off every day believe it or not.
I would be amazed if those insane results came back anytime soon.
Sorry, thats garbage. Apple has proven itself immune to the global economy, over and over again. The current iPhone is 8 months old, 26 million a quarter is pretty damn impressive in that sense, and they smashed their iPad records. Yes, we will see insane numbers, more insane then we've ever seen during the quarter of the next iPhone launch. Look at what the 4S did, being a device physically identical to the 4S, and deemed a massive dissapointment by the tech community. The next iPhone will be completely redesigned, and will fuel an unheard of amount of sales, regardless of the state of the economy.
I find it comical that Apple is blaming the economy for sluggish sales given how Apple products have been always proven recession proof, perhaps not. Perhaps users are smart enough this time around to wait for the iP5 or iP6 or New iPhone or Next iPhone or whatever its going to be called due to the rumored NFC, LTE and larger screen. Can we be blamed for NOT wanting to spend money on a model that is outdated in 3 months and be old and a year of obsolesence built into it.
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Sorry, thats garbage. Apple has proven itself immune to the global economy, over and over again. The current iPhone is 8 months old, 26 million a quarter is pretty damn impressive in that sense, and they smashed their iPad records. Yes, we will see insane numbers, more insane then we've ever seen during the quarter of the next iPhone launch. Look at what the 4S did, being a device physically identical to the 4S, and deemed a massive dissapointment by the tech community. The next iPhone will be completely redesigned, and will fuel an unheard of amount of sales, regardless of the state of the economy.
Sorry, no one is immune to the global economy. well, maybe except for arms merchants.
next year could be very bad - for everybody. worst case, Apple sales growth goes flat, or even down some. worse for Samsung. RIM and Nokia die. big drops for MS and the rest.
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Yep I think broader economic issues caused the bad quarter moreso than people fleeing iPhone for Samsung. Dow was down over 100 points today, there's talk about another recession coming. Maybe some on wall street thought Apple was immune to all of that. They're finding out now it's not.
I think talk about a new extended recession in the US may be true. After the election, expect another terrible crash in the market no matter who is elected. If Obama, it will crash because quantitative easing will end and Obama will be a lame duck president. If Romney is elected, it will collapse because the criminals in charge now will face being replaced with a whole new gang of criminals.
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Samsung sells 10 million GSIII's in 2 months and everyone is blown away.
Apple sells 26 million iPhones in 3 months and it's their worst quarter in years. And let's not even discuss tablet sales.
Yup, Apple is sure doomed
It's amazing what a little perspective can do.
Apple is growing like crazy year after year. Even with an allegedly weak product offering this year, look what they have *still* accomplished, in both Mac sales and especially iPad sales. 17 Million iPads. That is mind-boggling, to say the least.
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Apple has proven itself immune to the global economy, over and over again.
We'll see.
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We'll see.
Unless Germany reintroduces the mark, we can safely say that Apple is going to continue its rise and financial success. We have proof of this, given that they posted record quarters every single quarter during the recent recession.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/greatspeculations/2012/07/24/steve-jobs-shoes-look-too-big-to-fill-after-apples-second-miss-under-cook/?partner=yahoofeed
I'm curious what they think Steve Jobs would have done differently these past 10 months had he been around. I have my reservations about Cook (I think he's more of an operations guy than a product guy) but its way to early to be digging his grave.
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Sorry, no one is immune to the global economy. well, maybe except for arms merchants.
Even the arms manufacturers are laying off thousands of people here in the UK as the UK defence budget is slashed. They are closing one of the UK's oldest tank factories just down the road from me because apparently nobody is buying tanks. I think people are living in cloud cuckoo land if they think Apple will somehow remain immune from all this.
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I think people are living in cloud cuckoo land if they think Apple will somehow remain immune from all this.
Well, again, they have been for the past four years. Unless this intensifies drastically (like the example I gave), nothing is going to change with Apple. They know what they're doing.
I agree but let's not forget Apple beat their own guidance. Apple took all these things into account. The fact Wall Street cannot get anything correct isn't Apple's fault.
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Originally Posted by Shaun, UK
Even the arms manufacturers are laying off thousands of people here in the UK as the UK defence budget is slashed. They are closing one of the UK's oldest tank factories just down the road from me because apparently nobody is buying tanks. I think people are living in cloud cuckoo land if they think Apple will somehow remain immune from all this.
well i guess that's the silver lining on the gathering global economic storm clouds.
next year will be worse economically worldwide. the only question is how much worse.
Do you realize how stupid that sounds? First the design has changed considerablely with the retina MBP and what makes the MBP the MBP has changed dramtically in the 2012 models. Randomly changing the design of a MBP makes about as much sense as changing the design on a deck of cards. In both cases they are tools through which one exercises skills. They are not fashion accessories.
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next year will be worse economically worldwide. the only question is how much worse.
Depends on the corn.
And there are no ears on the cornstalks where I live.
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well, IMHO i expect the wider/longer screen plus 4G for #5 will generate a lot of consumer enthusiasm
What I find frustrating as someone who has invested in an Apple ecosystem is the WAIT for features others seem to bring to market so much more quickly and easily. I'm not excited that a future iPhone may finally have 4G capability, I'm embarrassed that there STILL isn't one NOW when EVERY competitor not only already offers that, but has for a long time now. Even *rumoured* products fall short of features other suppliers already include, like near-field RF.
What the market is responding to may well be the paradigm shift that has Apple playing catch-up instead of leading. Has ANYONE (besides fanboys) EVER actually bought an Apple product because it had a "Retina" display? Would the time, money and attention spent pursuing that be better spent on features that make a more significant contribution to the user experience than "Oh yes, I suppose that *does* look pretty, doesn't it?"
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Do you realize how stupid that sounds? First the design has changed considerablely with the retina MBP and what makes the MBP the MBP has changed dramtically in the 2012 models. Randomly changing the design of a MBP makes about as much sense as changing the design on a deck of cards. In both cases they are tools through which one exercises skills. They are not fashion accessories.
No it does not sound stupid at all. Why would I go pay $1600 for a new Macbook Pro that looks exactly the same as my 2009 model. When the design does change, it will make my laptop appear outdated and I'll be forced to upgrade. So I am basically waiting for a new design to upgrade. And unless you are blind, the Retina Display Macbook Pro isn't a complete redesign.