I use Safari for Windows XP at work (yup...still on XP. That's the way education is going right now with budget cuts). The memory leaks are HORRENDOUS. There is one task that takes up an obscene amount of memory when Safari runs--webkit2webprocess.exe. Nothing works in terms of rectifying the problem.
Mine on W7 run perfectly even w/ tons of extensions... True about Safari on XP though. AVOID!!!
Are there any stats to back that up? Last I knew, Windows was around 90% market penetration. How do you square that with Windows "failiing"?
Plenty of stats. We've seen Windows desktop marketshare drop in favour of the Mac for years; helps along by the Get A Mac campaign. Then we've seen OEM-based and then MS's Zune, which all run Windows CE not take hold as people favoured the iPod. After that we saw Windows Mobile drop year after year because of the iPhone's presence. Now we're seeing another major hit to Windows desktop as the iPad's success to reversing WinPC sales. The iPad has been so effective in this that it's even slowing Mac sales and has forced MS's hand to create the Surface in a vain attempt to stem the iPad's future success at chipping away at Windows desktop dominance.
For one job I was told that my Apple Safari browser on my Intel Mac would work at the company web site. It does sometimes. My boss told me that everything works best with IE8 or newer. The ORACLE software for logging time and doing training does screw up using other browser so I'm forced to use IE, and even that one doesn't always work with the servers. I'm stuck with Windows for now. I only boot it for this job and Netflix.
Apple should be bolder about the decision to not update Safari for Windows. In any search for Safari for Windows there should be a page to answer questions. It should say something like; Thank you for wanting to try Safari for your Windows machine. Frankly we recognize your wise choice because the Safari browser is indeed superior and gives a much better experience. Since you are willing to try another browser other than Windows we recommend that you just take another step forward on your journey to a better computing experience and buy a Mac. Imagine not cursing at your computer. Imagine easy access to everything you need. Imaging not needing to tweak your system to get it to function properly. Imagine leaving your computer on for days at a time without it slowing down and needing to be restarted. Imagine updates for your computer that don't require you to restart it multiple times. If you can imaging those things then you can see how your life with a Mac will be much better.
Bit of a bummer. Since they had been supporting it for so long I was hoping they'd keep it up. When in Windows I used it just for the top sites page (which I like).
It was the 32 bit version though (it didn't get that big speed and stability boost when Mac safari went 64 bit) and was rickety (earlier releases used to crash in XP and Vista very easily), although recent releases had made it pretty stable (it continues to be a resource hog though).
This is a low key bummer though - I liked it and used it. Guess I'll be keeping the current version and making sure I download the latest installer before its gone from the web.
I'm another person that is forced to use Windows at work. I only use IE when I ***absolutely*** have to.
The rest of the time I use Safari for Windows.
When that doesn't work I use Firefox.
When that doesn't work I use Chrome.
When that doesn't work I use IE.
I really don't want to remove Safari from the list. The rest don't have the fonts that I'm very used to and want to keep. Yes I could figure out mostly how to get the same fonts and look in Firefox (or another browser) but I'm hoping that I don't have to. I hope Apple just doesn't have Safari 6 for Windows ready yet and so they are hiding all versions.
I also know that I could get used to Firefox or Chrome (but never IE which is worse than the idea of dating your own sister or brother - no thanks) if I use them enough. Again, I like the brand I like. I don't want to use another brand until it is *** MY *** choice to switch. PS: I do have my Retina iPad with me at work. I do use it (along with my Apple bluetooth keyboard that I use with my iPad) sometimes but with five 24" monitors, well one dedicated to Safari (MOSTly for work related work) it is a lot easier to read than the smaller iPad screen. But if pushed and shoved off Safari on Windows I'm more likely to do more of my browsing, even work related things, on my iPad.
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Written and edited on my iPad.
Why so many browsers? This just seems silly. Firefox has fallen a bit behind, but I'll never voluntarily install the spyware that is Chrome.
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Originally Posted by Gazoobee
Well, "Windows 8" is really Windows 7 with Metro stuck on top, so the browser would run exactly the same. Apple supporting Metro by making a Metro browser would be a bad idea too.
I think this is primarily about the fact that with Chrome on Windows, there's no real reason to have Safari (as the article notes), but also because at this point, making the OS X desktop required for some of the more advanced iOS integration is only going to make Windows look bad and drive more people towards the Mac.
Windows as a consumer OS is definitely failing. Even people who like Windows and have no problem with it would probably seriously consider switching to OS X if the desktop OS doesn't integrate with their iOS devices now.
I think Apple is really trying hard to drive the emergent perception that "Windows is for work/corporate use" and OS X is for home/consumer use, and I think it's working.
It's not "as" dominant, yet I think you're buying into the site narrative a bit too much. If you do too much of your reading on here, you're likely to believe that Microsoft is on the verge of bankruptcy. Their problem is one of balancing the issues of stability for large corporate clients that do not like to update constantly with the problem of stagnation. Beyond that they always seem to jump on things late, which is a typical problem with large top heavy companies. Apple is at a point where they have to buy into many things as well via their acquisitions of smaller companies (itunes, ipod, siri, multitouch, etc.), but their track record has been much better.
Until Apple formally announces it, all of this is just rumor and speculation... which Tim Cook loves, by the way.
You're right about it being speculation - although with the mention of Windows support removed from the Safari web page the likelihood that this is for real is probably pretty high.
As to Apple formally announcing it - Apple often doesn't announce changes, they just happen.... If Apple is dropping it, I doubt we'll see or hear a thing (unless it becomes a big deal and they have to say something).
[quote]However, while adoption of Safari among PC users has been limited, Google's free Chrome browser, based on the same WebKit engine as Safari, has achieved wide distribution, virtually erasing the need for Apple to develop and support its own browser for Windows.[/quote]
Lol? Nice desperate spin on that one... Google taking revenues coming from a browser successful on the scale of the windows market share sure erase any Apple need to have one... That's perfectly nonsensical.
I found turning off all RSS Feed updates cleared up my most problematic WebKit2WebProcess.exe issues.
It's still a bit resource hungry, especially on websites that like to 'Auto-Refresh' the page every X seconds, but is much more stable. Comparing it to Thunderbird which I use as my Email Client, the memory usage is no more extreme than Thunderbird.
Er, how? They just give you a copy of it. Google keeps everything.
And that doesn't address the actual point; the taking of the data in the first place.
Nope you can erase it all on the available services, and you can of course enable/disable many privacy options in Chrome, but you should have noticed if you were not so bent on spreading FUD and lies.
Edit: I almost forgot, here you can monitor all that data "stolen" from you:
Nope you can erase it all on the available services, and you can of course enable/disable many privacy options in Chrome, but you should have noticed if you were not so bent on spreading FUD and lies.
Edit: I almost forgot, here you can monitor all that data "stolen" from you:
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I use Safari for Windows XP at work (yup...still on XP. That's the way education is going right now with budget cuts). The memory leaks are HORRENDOUS. There is one task that takes up an obscene amount of memory when Safari runs--webkit2webprocess.exe. Nothing works in terms of rectifying the problem.
Mine on W7 run perfectly even w/ tons of extensions... True about Safari on XP though. AVOID!!!Plenty of stats. We've seen Windows desktop marketshare drop in favour of the Mac for years; helps along by the Get A Mac campaign. Then we've seen OEM-based and then MS's Zune, which all run Windows CE not take hold as people favoured the iPod. After that we saw Windows Mobile drop year after year because of the iPhone's presence. Now we're seeing another major hit to Windows desktop as the iPad's success to reversing WinPC sales. The iPad has been so effective in this that it's even slowing Mac sales and has forced MS's hand to create the Surface in a vain attempt to stem the iPad's future success at chipping away at Windows desktop dominance.
For one job I was told that my Apple Safari browser on my Intel Mac would work at the company web site. It does sometimes. My boss told me that everything works best with IE8 or newer. The ORACLE software for logging time and doing training does screw up using other browser so I'm forced to use IE, and even that one doesn't always work with the servers. I'm stuck with Windows for now. I only boot it for this job and Netflix.
Apple should be bolder about the decision to not update Safari for Windows. In any search for Safari for Windows there should be a page to answer questions. It should say something like; Thank you for wanting to try Safari for your Windows machine. Frankly we recognize your wise choice because the Safari browser is indeed superior and gives a much better experience. Since you are willing to try another browser other than Windows we recommend that you just take another step forward on your journey to a better computing experience and buy a Mac. Imagine not cursing at your computer. Imagine easy access to everything you need. Imaging not needing to tweak your system to get it to function properly. Imagine leaving your computer on for days at a time without it slowing down and needing to be restarted. Imagine updates for your computer that don't require you to restart it multiple times. If you can imaging those things then you can see how your life with a Mac will be much better.
Until Apple formally announces it, all of this is just rumor and speculation... which Tim Cook loves, by the way.
Bit of a bummer. Since they had been supporting it for so long I was hoping they'd keep it up. When in Windows I used it just for the top sites page (which I like).
It was the 32 bit version though (it didn't get that big speed and stability boost when Mac safari went 64 bit) and was rickety (earlier releases used to crash in XP and Vista very easily), although recent releases had made it pretty stable (it continues to be a resource hog though).
This is a low key bummer though - I liked it and used it. Guess I'll be keeping the current version and making sure I download the latest installer before its gone from the web.
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Originally Posted by Sabon
I'm another person that is forced to use Windows at work. I only use IE when I ***absolutely*** have to.
The rest of the time I use Safari for Windows.
When that doesn't work I use Firefox.
When that doesn't work I use Chrome.
When that doesn't work I use IE.
I really don't want to remove Safari from the list. The rest don't have the fonts that I'm very used to and want to keep. Yes I could figure out mostly how to get the same fonts and look in Firefox (or another browser) but I'm hoping that I don't have to. I hope Apple just doesn't have Safari 6 for Windows ready yet and so they are hiding all versions.
I also know that I could get used to Firefox or Chrome (but never IE which is worse than the idea of dating your own sister or brother - no thanks) if I use them enough. Again, I like the brand I like. I don't want to use another brand until it is *** MY *** choice to switch.
PS: I do have my Retina iPad with me at work. I do use it (along with my Apple bluetooth keyboard that I use with my iPad) sometimes but with five 24" monitors, well one dedicated to Safari (MOSTly for work related work) it is a lot easier to read than the smaller iPad screen. But if pushed and shoved off Safari on Windows I'm more likely to do more of my browsing, even work related things, on my iPad.
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Written and edited on my iPad.
Why so many browsers? This just seems silly. Firefox has fallen a bit behind, but I'll never voluntarily install the spyware that is Chrome.
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Originally Posted by Gazoobee
Well, "Windows 8" is really Windows 7 with Metro stuck on top, so the browser would run exactly the same. Apple supporting Metro by making a Metro browser would be a bad idea too.
I think this is primarily about the fact that with Chrome on Windows, there's no real reason to have Safari (as the article notes), but also because at this point, making the OS X desktop required for some of the more advanced iOS integration is only going to make Windows look bad and drive more people towards the Mac.
Windows as a consumer OS is definitely failing. Even people who like Windows and have no problem with it would probably seriously consider switching to OS X if the desktop OS doesn't integrate with their iOS devices now.
I think Apple is really trying hard to drive the emergent perception that "Windows is for work/corporate use" and OS X is for home/consumer use, and I think it's working.
It's not "as" dominant, yet I think you're buying into the site narrative a bit too much. If you do too much of your reading on here, you're likely to believe that Microsoft is on the verge of bankruptcy. Their problem is one of balancing the issues of stability for large corporate clients that do not like to update constantly with the problem of stagnation. Beyond that they always seem to jump on things late, which is a typical problem with large top heavy companies. Apple is at a point where they have to buy into many things as well via their acquisitions of smaller companies (itunes, ipod, siri, multitouch, etc.), but their track record has been much better.
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Originally Posted by Cpsro
Until Apple formally announces it, all of this is just rumor and speculation... which Tim Cook loves, by the way.
You're right about it being speculation - although with the mention of Windows support removed from the Safari web page the likelihood that this is for real is probably pretty high.
As to Apple formally announcing it - Apple often doesn't announce changes, they just happen.... If Apple is dropping it, I doubt we'll see or hear a thing (unless it becomes a big deal and they have to say something).
Farewell Safari on Windows...you will be missed.
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Originally Posted by Market_Player
I happen to love Safari on my Windows machines.
This is bad news for me.
Same here
Lol? Nice desperate spin on that one... Google taking revenues coming from a browser successful on the scale of the windows market share sure erase any Apple need to have one... That's perfectly nonsensical.
BTW feel free to erase all this Google personal data at will:
http://www.dataliberation.org/
https://www.google.com/takeout/
Defamation of browser? That's a thing?
I found turning off all RSS Feed updates cleared up my most problematic WebKit2WebProcess.exe issues.
It's still a bit resource hungry, especially on websites that like to 'Auto-Refresh' the page every X seconds, but is much more stable. Comparing it to Thunderbird which I use as my Email Client, the memory usage is no more extreme than Thunderbird.
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Originally Posted by Sensi
BTW feel free to erase all this Google personal data at will:
http://www.dataliberation.org/
https://www.google.com/takeout/
Er, how? They just give you a copy of it. Google keeps everything.
And that doesn't address the actual point; the taking of the data in the first place.
Edit: I almost forgot, here you can monitor all that data "stolen" from you:
http://www.google.com/dashboard
also https://www.google.com/history/
I hope Apple keeps Safari for Windows. They shouldn't leave a market unserved.
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Originally Posted by Sensi
Nope you can erase it all on the available services, and you can of course enable/disable many privacy options in Chrome, but you should have noticed if you were not so bent on spreading FUD and lies.
Edit: I almost forgot, here you can monitor all that data "stolen" from you:
http://www.google.com/dashboard
also https://www.google.com/history/
Prove Google actually deletes anything.
And another one
No. Safari is the only browser I use on Windows. Chrome is a good alternative but I can hardly bring myself to say Goo...
Please don't force us to use IE or, gah, Firefox!
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Originally Posted by John.B
Prove Google actually deletes anything.
and that god exists whilst you're about it.