Apple doesn't list know issues with other software. So the only way to know if a major ap like Fusion is suddenly broken with no fix, is to upgrade to lion. Switching back is time consuming which is lost money to a professional. If you think it's acceptable for manor apps other than Apple software to be broken with new OS, than you're basically saying you're fine with sticking with the apple OS being an expensive time sucking experiment to see of a pro-level machine has just bend rendered useless for much more than status updates about a sandwich you ate and pics of your drunk friends from the last happy hour you went to uploaded to facebook.
It would be ridiculous to expect that Apple tests thousands of apps for compatibility, particularly since things may exhibit more subtle bugs, and then Apple would be liable when cursory testing didn't reveal a flaw.
The point is "regular" apps will usually just work, unless they are apps from developers notorious for being lazy and using ancient, long deprecated APIs.
However, an app that is close to the iron, such as Fusion or any emulator that tries to squese the most performance out of a system, or anything that requires kernel extensions, has a good chance of failing with each OS update. It's up to the user to identify what's mission critical for them, and visit the publisher's web site and read release notes and other announcements to determine if a given app will be compatible with the latest OS version.
There's a reason why it's been called the "bleeding edge" if people try to always be the first to update to a new release, and that's why any company has a test lab, and why you can boot any Mac from an external drive: it's not that difficult to get a cheap external drive and do a test install of a new OS on that, to see what is or isn't working.
Another intriguing fact is that although 32-bit EFI machines (that still run 64-bit apps, just not the 64-bit kernel) can run Mac OS X 10.7.4, you can no longer buy it. If you haven't upgraded these machines from Snow Leopard, you can't - they're frozen at 10.6.8. Lion was the first App Store-only version of the OS, so you can't just drop in your 10.7 Family Pack DVD and install. Those apps like Avid Media Composer 6.0.1 that work best on 10.7, and aren't qualified for 10.8, are effectively off limits to anyone who hasn't yet got Lion, because you can't go there any more.
It's starting to feel like although I've bought my machines, Apple still owns them... as someone will surely pedantically point out, they work as well as they did then, so I can really only rely on what they ran when I bought them... Mac OS X 10.4.9 Tiger, and Avid Media Composer 3.0.
So Cloud amnesia is setting in, and here's the first instance of it. Machines forced into obsolescence due to updaters that vanish, because their copyright holders are entitled to withdraw and destroy them.
As for "faster and more responsive" . . . guess what's the best way of finding out?
At the very least, it's a better Lion *already.* That much we can be sure about.
It's $20. Every review out there is telling you you can't go wrong. I'd just install it for the sheer fact that it's the latest, and I'm completely current. It doesn't make things any worse.
Really? PDFs are a huge deal for consumers and Pros alike. Anything that makes working them easier and more flexible is very welcome. Preview is pretty much your built-on viewer for everything that is not video.
which in fact, are the big draws for *everyone else.*
At some point you'll need to reconcile yourself with the direction in which Apple is moving. Otherwise I'm sure you'll see yourself having these same conversations for the next several years.
Actually, your usage habits seem a bit antiquated, to be honest. Not very progressive.
Firstly, I am the customer, so Apple responds to me, and not the other way around.
Secondly, I am very 'progressive' as you call it, when it adds value and usability for me. I ditch disk drives, etc. and embrace new ports whenever they add value. A buggy, net connection and power dependent iCloud that messes up my contacts impacts my use negatively. I recently had a talk with other IT people (I work in IT) and one made a great comment: "You should get the shoe that fits you instead of trying to fit the wrong shoe." The same is with software and (IT) services. I don't know how 'always connected' you are, but I am not. Network connections go down or you lose it on your iPhone, and then what? For me 'Cloud' creates a HUGE dependency. Put everything in the cloud and when the cloud has a bad day, you're into your neck in shit. Also, the application dependency of files that Ars mentions is a HUGE usability issue that Apple will have to solve.
You call Notifications a BIG draw for people to upgrade. Notifications? What is so big about it?
Preview I seemingly misunderstood to be preview in the Finder. When it's the Preview App (my system is in Dutch, we have a localised name for it ), then I may find it of more value. But... Preview is an application, not what I'd call 'core OS'. Preview is already superiour to many Windows PDF viewers (I just started a new job today and the PDF viewer there even doesn't support 2 page view side-by-side), so I am already very happy with it.
About the reviews, actually some things that people post here ARE mixed, so it's not all sunshine. I think the Ars review gives a good insight, and it still gives me little reason to upgrade.
Consider that, just as my opinion is not the one and almighty truth, the same is for your opinion. As a long life Apple user and follower and admirer of Jobs in many ways, I have applauded Apple and its choices 98% of the time. I have deep respect for that. So if you jump for joy about Notification center and iCloud, be my guest. Just don't expect that *everyone else* shares your opinion. It is your view.
And calling me antiquated... Who's the one being a Quadra?
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It would be ridiculous to expect that Apple tests thousands of apps for compatibility, particularly since things may exhibit more subtle bugs, and then Apple would be liable when cursory testing didn't reveal a flaw.
The point is "regular" apps will usually just work, unless they are apps from developers notorious for being lazy and using ancient, long deprecated APIs.
However, an app that is close to the iron, such as Fusion or any emulator that tries to squese the most performance out of a system, or anything that requires kernel extensions, has a good chance of failing with each OS update. It's up to the user to identify what's mission critical for them, and visit the publisher's web site and read release notes and other announcements to determine if a given app will be compatible with the latest OS version.
There's a reason why it's been called the "bleeding edge" if people try to always be the first to update to a new release, and that's why any company has a test lab, and why you can boot any Mac from an external drive: it's not that difficult to get a cheap external drive and do a test install of a new OS on that, to see what is or isn't working.
Another intriguing fact is that although 32-bit EFI machines (that still run 64-bit apps, just not the 64-bit kernel) can run Mac OS X 10.7.4, you can no longer buy it. If you haven't upgraded these machines from Snow Leopard, you can't - they're frozen at 10.6.8. Lion was the first App Store-only version of the OS, so you can't just drop in your 10.7 Family Pack DVD and install. Those apps like Avid Media Composer 6.0.1 that work best on 10.7, and aren't qualified for 10.8, are effectively off limits to anyone who hasn't yet got Lion, because you can't go there any more.
It's starting to feel like although I've bought my machines, Apple still owns them... as someone will surely pedantically point out, they work as well as they did then, so I can really only rely on what they ran when I bought them... Mac OS X 10.4.9 Tiger, and Avid Media Composer 3.0.
So Cloud amnesia is setting in, and here's the first instance of it. Machines forced into obsolescence due to updaters that vanish, because their copyright holders are entitled to withdraw and destroy them.
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Then we don't have much to discuss, now do we?
As for "faster and more responsive" . . . guess what's the best way of finding out?
At the very least, it's a better Lion *already.* That much we can be sure about.
It's $20. Every review out there is telling you you can't go wrong. I'd just install it for the sheer fact that it's the latest, and I'm completely current. It doesn't make things any worse.
Really? PDFs are a huge deal for consumers and Pros alike. Anything that makes working them easier and more flexible is very welcome. Preview is pretty much your built-on viewer for everything that is not video.
which in fact, are the big draws for *everyone else.*
At some point you'll need to reconcile yourself with the direction in which Apple is moving. Otherwise I'm sure you'll see yourself having these same conversations for the next several years.
Actually, your usage habits seem a bit antiquated, to be honest. Not very progressive.
Firstly, I am the customer, so Apple responds to me, and not the other way around.
Secondly, I am very 'progressive' as you call it, when it adds value and usability for me. I ditch disk drives, etc. and embrace new ports whenever they add value. A buggy, net connection and power dependent iCloud that messes up my contacts impacts my use negatively. I recently had a talk with other IT people (I work in IT) and one made a great comment: "You should get the shoe that fits you instead of trying to fit the wrong shoe." The same is with software and (IT) services. I don't know how 'always connected' you are, but I am not. Network connections go down or you lose it on your iPhone, and then what? For me 'Cloud' creates a HUGE dependency. Put everything in the cloud and when the cloud has a bad day, you're into your neck in shit. Also, the application dependency of files that Ars mentions is a HUGE usability issue that Apple will have to solve.
You call Notifications a BIG draw for people to upgrade. Notifications? What is so big about it?
Preview I seemingly misunderstood to be preview in the Finder. When it's the Preview App (my system is in Dutch, we have a localised name for it
About the reviews, actually some things that people post here ARE mixed, so it's not all sunshine. I think the Ars review gives a good insight, and it still gives me little reason to upgrade.
Consider that, just as my opinion is not the one and almighty truth, the same is for your opinion. As a long life Apple user and follower and admirer of Jobs in many ways, I have applauded Apple and its choices 98% of the time. I have deep respect for that. So if you jump for joy about Notification center and iCloud, be my guest. Just don't expect that *everyone else* shares your opinion. It is your view.
And calling me antiquated... Who's the one being a Quadra?