Why should it cost $50 less ($60 less in the education store) to upgrade a low-end configuration than to start with the better-configured system?
I noticed this last night also! To build the same system starting with the low end model it is cheaper! This is clearly a mistake on their part that won't last long.
Right, but that wasn't my point. They have an 8GB and a 16GB option for soldered RAM. Why would I want to take the 8GB? Wouldn't I want to take the highest amount of RAM possible since I'll be stuck with that amount for the life of the product I own and we all know how memory consumption seems to creep up over time?
you can upgrade the RAM yourself...there are videos on youtube that show you how..do not buy the upgrade from Apple because they charge you a high premium
Wanted to check out all these wrinkles - wouldn't be the first time that configuration upgrade pricing for the basic model didn't quite match the initial price of the premium model,
so I'm not so sure they will correct it,
but, right now, the Store seems to be flummoxed - can't see configure pages because the group product pages have so select buttons, at the moment.
Or, I get an "Oops" message from the store.
Otherwise, I might have thought it was one of the many 'blessings' of Safari 6...
you can upgrade the RAM yourself...there are videos on youtube that show you how..do not buy the upgrade from Apple because they charge you a high premium
you can upgrade the RAM yourself...there are videos on youtube that show you how..do not buy the upgrade from Apple because they charge you a high premium
You can with the non-retina Macbook Pros but you cannot upgrade anything in the Retina Macbook Pro. In the Retina MBP everything, including the RAM, is soldered to the Logic Board (aka motherboard).
Edit: It seems the SSD is not soldered but uses proprietary connector.
If anyone can drive down costs of SSD Apple can by adoption on this scale.
I installed SSD as my boot drive in a 2010 MBP i7 (Replaced the optical, added Trim Enabler) and it is like using an iPad now for speed, it totally shocked me how fast it is now. HDs are the new floppy, they have to go!
I did replace my MBP HDD with SSD few weeks ago as well. I was setting up a new MBP with HDD for a family member (upgrade to ML and add other apps). The process was painfully slow compared to my MBP with SSD! Never going back to HDD again
The matte (antiglare) option has been added now to the new MacBook Pro 13-inch, but not to the MacBook Pro Retina. No matte, no purchase, because this is a serious health and productivity issue for many people. MacMatte.
The matte (antiglare) option has been added now to the new MacBook Pro 13-inch, but not to the MacBook Pro Retina. No matte, no purchase, because this is a serious health and productivity issue for many people. MacMatte.
My (Wall Street) Powerbook G3 250 (mhz) configured with a 13-inch display (1024x768), 32mb RAM, and a 2GB HD (two!) cost me around $4000.- in 1988 which would be the approximate equivalent to 5 grand today.
Someone will be able to be more exact but bang for buck there's never been a better time than right now!
The matte (antiglare) option has been added now to the new MacBook Pro 13-inch, but not to the MacBook Pro Retina. No matte, no purchase, because this is a serious health and productivity issue for many people. MacMatte.
BTW - Where do you see this? I tried to look at store.apple.com/us but I can't find antiglare for the MBP13?
Why would I want to buy a lower end Retina Macbook with soldered RAM that I can't upgrade later? Such a configuration feels like a big win for Apple, but not for the consumer.
Because most people never upgrade the hardware in their laptop after purchase. You are in a very, very small minority. It's neither a win, nor a loss for the consumer. Like it or not, soldering the ram, ssd chips increases reliability. It also makes for a lighter and thinner footprint since Apple doesn't have to install components which allows for ram cards, or SSD hookups.
They still sell the non-Retina MBP that lets you do that. So buy one while you still can if you feel the need. I would bet that most people will consider it a non-issue and that older MBP will be no longer available within a year.
I ordered a low-end MBP with 16GB Ram. Case closed. Sure I can get the memory elsewhere for cheaper, I don't want the headaches of trying to install it, I like the thinner profile provided with soldered chips, and I know I will never open the case to bump anything up. Most consumers will think the exact same way. They won't even care (or know) that the chips are soldered since they will never upgrade anything anyways.
My (Wall Street) Powerbook G3 250 (mhz) configured with a 13-inch display (1024x768), 32mb RAM, and a 2GB HD (two!) cost me around $4000.- in 1988 which would be the approximate equivalent to 5 grand today.
Someone will be able to be more exact but bang for buck there's never been a better time than right now!
;-)
Really? Luckily my insurance company paid for that lovely machine. For me to pay 7 grand for a computer today would be unthinkable.
Just noticed (and so should you have!) - the G3 Powerbook came out in 98, not 88 - according to the westegg website the equivalent would in fact be 5300.
Why would I want to buy a lower end Retina Macbook with soldered RAM that I can't upgrade later? Such a configuration feels like a big win for Apple, but not for the consumer.
Not sure why YOU would. But apparently, many indeed would, as evidenced by Apple's trouble in fulfilling demand for this notebook. I don't remember the last time I updated RAM in any computer, times have changed, and its not as necessary as it once was. Yes, reuirements change over time, but even the lowest end model has 8GB of RAM which I think for 95% of people would be more than sufficient for a few years to come. I do absolutely everything on my Macbook Air, including heavy design work, and so far 4GB has handled everything incredibly well. You're really generalizing when you state this is bad for the consumer, the pros of having a thinner/lighter/more reliable soldered RAM for every single person that buys the laptop seems to outweigh the cons of a very small percentage of purchasers wanting to up the RAM down the line. Also, I'd think those who put down that kind of money on a MBP would be making an educated decision about what they need and don't need.
The matte (antiglare) option has been added now to the new MacBook Pro 13-inch, but not to the MacBook Pro Retina. No matte, no purchase, because this is a serious health and productivity issue for many people. MacMatte.
I don't think they'll add an anti-glare option because the Retina model has reduced the glare to the point that it won't be distracting:
You can see the difference is huge here, even on pure black, which is where it is the worst:
While there are still some reflections, they are very dull and it's pretty much the best compromise between the two they can make. I've long been against glossy displays but I'd have no problems with a Retina MBP.
I don't think they'll add an anti-glare option because the Retina model has reduced the glare to the point that it won't be distracting:
You can see the difference is huge here, even on pure black, which is where it is the worst:
While there are still some reflections, they are very dull and it's pretty much the best compromise between the two they can make. I've long been against glossy displays but I'd have no problems with a Retina MBP.
Agreed - I always paid the extra $50 for matte, and clearly the Retina is MORE glossy than the older anti-glare option - true - but it aint much, and i find the Retina to be a very good compromise between the older glossy and matte. Im using it now in a car, IN bright sunshine -
200 bucks for an additional 8 gigs of ram, which can be purchased from Newegg for 43 dollars right now? That's insane, even for Apple's standards.
Apple can keep their Retina display nonsense, just stick the higher resolution screen that the 13" MBA ships with into the 13" MBP (or at least give me the damn option to upgrade at purchase) and I'd be happy. I'm getting ready to upgrade from a 2009 MBP, and as much as I love that higher resolution screen in the MBA, the shallow keyboard would annoy the hell out of me if I had to type on it on a daily basis.
Eh, maybe I'll just hold off and wait to see if they release a thinner 13" MBP with the higher res screen in the fall like rumors say they will. Fingers crossed it won't be a bloated overpriced glued down piece of proprietary junk the 15" model turned out to be.
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram
Can you explain why, for us lay people?
The GT 650M is a mid-range GPU; not sure i would label the news as huge because the MacBook Pro line is high-end, relatively speaking.
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Originally Posted by Cpsro
Why should it cost $50 less ($60 less in the education store) to upgrade a low-end configuration than to start with the better-configured system?
I noticed this last night also! To build the same system starting with the low end model it is cheaper! This is clearly a mistake on their part that won't last long.
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Originally Posted by tikiman
Right, but that wasn't my point. They have an 8GB and a 16GB option for soldered RAM. Why would I want to take the 8GB? Wouldn't I want to take the highest amount of RAM possible since I'll be stuck with that amount for the life of the product I own and we all know how memory consumption seems to creep up over time?
you can upgrade the RAM yourself...there are videos on youtube that show you how..do not buy the upgrade from Apple because they charge you a high premium
Wanted to check out all these wrinkles - wouldn't be the first time that configuration upgrade pricing for the basic model didn't quite match the initial price of the premium model,
so I'm not so sure they will correct it,
but, right now, the Store seems to be flummoxed - can't see configure pages because the group product pages have so select buttons, at the moment.
Or, I get an "Oops" message from the store.
Otherwise, I might have thought it was one of the many 'blessings' of Safari 6...
Please do some fact checking.
Originally Posted by daylove22
you can upgrade the RAM yourself…
No, you can't.
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Originally Posted by daylove22
you can upgrade the RAM yourself...there are videos on youtube that show you how..do not buy the upgrade from Apple because they charge you a high premium
You can with the non-retina Macbook Pros but you cannot upgrade anything in the Retina Macbook Pro. In the Retina MBP everything, including the RAM, is soldered to the Logic Board (aka motherboard).
Edit: It seems the SSD is not soldered but uses proprietary connector.
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Originally Posted by digitalclips
If anyone can drive down costs of SSD Apple can by adoption on this scale.
I installed SSD as my boot drive in a 2010 MBP i7 (Replaced the optical, added Trim Enabler) and it is like using an iPad now for speed, it totally shocked me how fast it is now. HDs are the new floppy, they have to go!
I did replace my MBP HDD with SSD few weeks ago as well. I was setting up a new MBP with HDD for a family member (upgrade to ML and add other apps). The process was painfully slow compared to my MBP with SSD! Never going back to HDD again
The matte (antiglare) option has been added now to the new MacBook Pro 13-inch, but not to the MacBook Pro Retina. No matte, no purchase, because this is a serious health and productivity issue for many people. MacMatte.
Originally Posted by zunx
The matte (antiglare) option has been added now to the new MacBook Pro 13-inch, but not to the MacBook Pro Retina. No matte, no purchase, because this is a serious health and productivity issue for many people. MacMatte.
Blah blah, FUD, lies, etc.
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Originally Posted by Xian Zhu Xuande
What did you think it would cost?
My (Wall Street) Powerbook G3 250 (mhz) configured with a 13-inch display (1024x768), 32mb RAM, and a 2GB HD (two!) cost me around $4000.- in 1988 which would be the approximate equivalent to 5 grand today.
Someone will be able to be more exact but bang for buck there's never been a better time than right now!
;-)
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Originally Posted by zunx
The matte (antiglare) option has been added now to the new MacBook Pro 13-inch, but not to the MacBook Pro Retina. No matte, no purchase, because this is a serious health and productivity issue for many people. MacMatte.
BTW - Where do you see this? I tried to look at store.apple.com/us but I can't find antiglare for the MBP13?
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Originally Posted by tikiman
Why would I want to buy a lower end Retina Macbook with soldered RAM that I can't upgrade later? Such a configuration feels like a big win for Apple, but not for the consumer.
Because most people never upgrade the hardware in their laptop after purchase. You are in a very, very small minority. It's neither a win, nor a loss for the consumer. Like it or not, soldering the ram, ssd chips increases reliability. It also makes for a lighter and thinner footprint since Apple doesn't have to install components which allows for ram cards, or SSD hookups.
They still sell the non-Retina MBP that lets you do that. So buy one while you still can if you feel the need. I would bet that most people will consider it a non-issue and that older MBP will be no longer available within a year.
I ordered a low-end MBP with 16GB Ram. Case closed. Sure I can get the memory elsewhere for cheaper, I don't want the headaches of trying to install it, I like the thinner profile provided with soldered chips, and I know I will never open the case to bump anything up. Most consumers will think the exact same way. They won't even care (or know) that the chips are soldered since they will never upgrade anything anyways.
$4,000 in 1988 was the equivalent of nearly $7300 in 2010 (the most recent year available on this particular calculator):
http://www.westegg.com/inflation/infl.cgi
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Originally Posted by jragosta
$4,000 in 1988 was the equivalent of nearly $7300 in 2010 (the most recent year available on this particular calculator):
http://www.westegg.com/inflation/infl.cgi
Really? Luckily my insurance company paid for that lovely machine. For me to pay 7 grand for a computer today would be unthinkable.
Just noticed (and so should you have!) - the G3 Powerbook came out in 98, not 88 - according to the westegg website the equivalent would in fact be 5300.
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Originally Posted by emacs72
The GT 650M is a mid-range GPU; not sure i would label the news as huge because the MacBook Pro line is high-end, relatively speaking.
The reason I brought this up was, I have the RMBP on order from about two weeks ago (8GB/512GB). I wonder if I should cancel and reorder.
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Originally Posted by tikiman
Why would I want to buy a lower end Retina Macbook with soldered RAM that I can't upgrade later? Such a configuration feels like a big win for Apple, but not for the consumer.
Not sure why YOU would. But apparently, many indeed would, as evidenced by Apple's trouble in fulfilling demand for this notebook. I don't remember the last time I updated RAM in any computer, times have changed, and its not as necessary as it once was. Yes, reuirements change over time, but even the lowest end model has 8GB of RAM which I think for 95% of people would be more than sufficient for a few years to come. I do absolutely everything on my Macbook Air, including heavy design work, and so far 4GB has handled everything incredibly well. You're really generalizing when you state this is bad for the consumer, the pros of having a thinner/lighter/more reliable soldered RAM for every single person that buys the laptop seems to outweigh the cons of a very small percentage of purchasers wanting to up the RAM down the line. Also, I'd think those who put down that kind of money on a MBP would be making an educated decision about what they need and don't need.
I don't think they'll add an anti-glare option because the Retina model has reduced the glare to the point that it won't be distracting:
You can see the difference is huge here, even on pure black, which is where it is the worst:
While there are still some reflections, they are very dull and it's pretty much the best compromise between the two they can make. I've long been against glossy displays but I'd have no problems with a Retina MBP.
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Originally Posted by Marvin
I don't think they'll add an anti-glare option because the Retina model has reduced the glare to the point that it won't be distracting:
You can see the difference is huge here, even on pure black, which is where it is the worst:
While there are still some reflections, they are very dull and it's pretty much the best compromise between the two they can make. I've long been against glossy displays but I'd have no problems with a Retina MBP.
Agreed - I always paid the extra $50 for matte, and clearly the Retina is MORE glossy than the older anti-glare option - true - but it aint much, and i find the Retina to be a very good compromise between the older glossy and matte. Im using it now in a car, IN bright sunshine -
200 bucks for an additional 8 gigs of ram, which can be purchased from Newegg for 43 dollars right now? That's insane, even for Apple's standards.
Apple can keep their Retina display nonsense, just stick the higher resolution screen that the 13" MBA ships with into the 13" MBP (or at least give me the damn option to upgrade at purchase) and I'd be happy. I'm getting ready to upgrade from a 2009 MBP, and as much as I love that higher resolution screen in the MBA, the shallow keyboard would annoy the hell out of me if I had to type on it on a daily basis.
Eh, maybe I'll just hold off and wait to see if they release a thinner 13" MBP with the higher res screen in the fall like rumors say they will. Fingers crossed it won't be a bloated overpriced glued down piece of proprietary junk the 15" model turned out to be.