1/2 gb ram? It is still the fastest running smartphone on geek bench- better than the S3. So what if it had 2gb, but was slower- would that be better?
Tiny screen- ok. This will likely change.
NFC- what does that help with currently? Google wallet sucks. It's actually awful.
Sd/USB storage- what phone had that at all anymore?
Small non-removable battery- again what phone has that now? And when it runs 8 hours (as opposed to the competition's 4 hrs)- they need an extra battery.
Lte will also be coming- but didn't want to be introduced until infrastructure and battery friendly chips were out (which just came out)- hence the 8 hr battery life behind such a "tiny" screen.
Apple will bring stuff out and introduce it to their phone when it's going to be best received. I think the bigger screen could have come last year- but that's it. Everything else could've and shouldve waited. Companies like google who rush google wallet out can claim "they had it first"- but it sucks. The technology wasn't there- the vendors werent on board- the programming was clunky- the security measures weren't in place- etc. that's why it wasn't well received. I'd love for apple to bring it out with this next iPhone- but if they decide to wait until 2013, so they can add fingerprint technology as a security feature while using the app- fine by me- that's smart.
Being first isn't always best- we've witnessed that. Being finished and polished is best.
Why? According to Nielsen, Samsung had only 8% of the US smartphone market in Q2 2011; now it's 24%. Yes, that's 300% gain. Apple's share went from 28% to 31%; 10+% gain.
<span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:19px;">Most of the overseas</span>
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<span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:19px;">are used more like dumb flip phones</span>
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<span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:19px;">and they probably don't buy any apps or even surf that much on them. </span>
Even though I own 2 Macs and 2 iPads, to me the iPhone is a low end mass market smartphone: 1/2 GB RAM, tiny screen, no AMOLED, no NFC, no SD, no LTE, no USB storage, small non-removable battery, assembled in sweat shops...
Million dollar marketing hype though.
So you fell for the marketing hype and bought one anyway?
Even though I own 2 Macs and 2 iPads, to me the iPhone is a low end mass market smartphone: 1/2 GB RAM, tiny screen, no AMOLED, no NFC, no SD, no LTE, no USB storage, small non-removable battery, assembled in sweat shops...
Million dollar marketing hype though.
My perfect phone doesn't exist and probably never will. I want an iPhone the size of the Samsung Galaxy SIII screen but I want it to run iOS because I prefer it to Android, But then again I haven't played with the Jellybean release which is supposed to make the GUI a lot smoother and faster which was my main gripe. My last android phone ran 2.3.4 so I am sure a lot has changed. I am very loyal to Apple when it comes to computers and have been for several decades now but not so much with phones since it is so easy to change without losing anything. In 10 months I will be eligible for my upgrade pricing and I will buy the best phone on the market at that time which should be around the release of the Galaxy S4 so I may just go back and forth between iPhone and Android which keeps things interesting. It is easy to get bored on one platform.
Apple takes over one-third U.S. smartphone marketshare
I bet before you know it, Samsung will try to copy this, too...
Steve Ballmer has dibs on copying Apple from last moth moving forward. Personally, Monkey boy will get it screwed up and match the iMac sales with the WinPhone sales.
there, I found Nielson's Q2 2012 data.. so that's 8% in Q2, 2011 to 17% in Q2, 2012 - that's still 100+% gain. Apple's share increased from 28% in Q2, 2011 to 34% in Q2, 2012 - that is only 20+% gain. Nielsen's numbers are ased on # of US mobile subscribers.
In AI, they don't want platform agnostics around, such as yourself, even for just switching phones. Windows Phone 8 is another viable alternative. Although, some will say WP8 has an ecosystem problem, but that is too much of an exaggerations. At most, I will install maybe 30-50 apps, of which half probably free ones. All of these and more are already in WP marketplace, already counting more than 100K apps there. Everything else, well you can always synch it from your computer anyway, an extra step but very doable. When you are being tied up to an ecosystem, it's like selling your soul to the devil. It's very difficult to escape because you have to jump over so many hoops to get it done.
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Originally Posted by gwmac
My perfect phone doesn't exist and probably never will. I want an iPhone the size of the Samsung Galaxy SIII screen but I want it to run iOS because I prefer it to Android, But then again I haven't played with the Jellybean release which is supposed to make the GUI a lot smoother and faster which was my main gripe. My last android phone ran 2.3.4 so I am sure a lot has changed. I am very loyal to Apple when it comes to computers and have been for several decades now but not so much with phones since it is so easy to change without losing anything. In 10 months I will be eligible for my upgrade pricing and I will buy the best phone on the market at that time which should be around the release of the Galaxy S4 so I may just go back and forth between iPhone and Android which keeps things interesting. It is easy to get bored on one platform.
1/2 gb ram? It is still the fastest running smartphone on geek bench- better than the S3. So what if it had 2gb, but was slower- would that be better?
Tiny screen- ok. This will likely change.
NFC- what does that help with currently? Google wallet sucks. It's actually awful.
Sd/USB storage- what phone had that at all anymore?
Small non-removable battery- again what phone has that now? And when it runs 8 hours (as opposed to the competition's 4 hrs)- they need an extra battery.
Lte will also be coming- but didn't want to be introduced until infrastructure and battery friendly chips were out (which just came out)- hence the 8 hr battery life behind such a "tiny" screen.
Apple will bring stuff out and introduce it to their phone when it's going to be best received. I think the bigger screen could have come last year- but that's it. Everything else could've and shouldvewaited. Companies like google who rush google wallet out can claim "they had it first"- but it sucks. The technology wasn't there- the vendors werent on board- the programming was clunky- the security measures weren't in place- etc. that's why it wasn't well received. I'd love for apple to bring it out with this next iPhone- but if they decide to wait until 2013, so they can add fingerprint technology as a security feature while using the app- fine by me- that's smart.
Being first isn't always best- we've witnessed that. Being finished and polished is best.
- RAM affects multitasking not GPU speed. Real multitasking is non-existant on iphone anyway - part of the reason it does not have more RAM.
- screen "will change"? Speculations. 4 inch is still tiny. Samsung offers full range 3.2"-5.3" NOW and a year ago.
- SD/USB storage available on most high end Android phones including Galaxy S3. You did not know? Really?
- removable battery available on most high end Android phones including Galaxy S3
- "Apple will bring stuff"? Apple is always playing catchup (copypaste, pseudo multitasking, pseudo 4G, dualcore, LTE, voice control, notifications, widgets, "large screen") . They should deliver future proof phones, instead of offering obsolete phones.
"Being finished and polished is best" - yea, right, are you talking about the antenna fiasco? It took them 16 month to "polish" that
You should probably change your signature line in that case...
Yes, I probably should, my daughter is using the 4S. I paid $700+ for it with tax. The marketing hype and status symbol got her, she wanted one badly, what can I do? But for kids it's a good toy phone.
I used to own the iPhone 3G three year ago when it was more competitive. Now Apple lost its touch. Apple became cocky, lazy and stagnant.
You should probably change your signature line in that case...
Yes, the 4S is my daughter's. I used to own the iPhone 3G 3 year ago when it was more competitive. Now Apple lost its touch. Apple became lazy and stagnant.
As a consumer why should I care if Apple or another company makes the most profit? I only care to buy a good device that serve my needs. Please save us with the overseas comment that they used dumb phone..for your info overseas telecommunication systems and networks are several years ahead of the US.
So you've never been left in the lurch by a company that went bust and was unable to meet things like warranty obligations or other support services such as help lines, software updates and bug fixes.
I disagree. That was a pitiful attempt. We are usually used to a better class of...shall we say people who bend the truth...here in the forum. Usually when you make a post you don't put evidence that disproves your post in the same post. At least make us check your previous posts in incongruencies. If your not going to try, it's really not any fun.
Anyway, he's going to the block list as he has spent all his credibility - after that you can't take him seriously.
appleinsider reports "Apple takes over one-third U.S. smartphone marketshare, tops Samsung "
while pretty much at the same time, cnn runs a story about an IDC report where "Android races past Apple in smartphone market share" ... stating "More specifically, IDC pegged Android's gain "directly" to Samsung, "
Think of it like Ford diesel vehicles versus gasoline powered vehicles.
Manufacturer vs manufacturer is not the same as one manufacturer vs an OS.
Yes, I probably should, my daughter is using the 4S. I paid $700+ for it with tax. The marketing hype and status symbol got her, she wanted one badly, what can I do? But for kids it's a good toy phone.
I used to own the iPhone 3G three year ago when it was more competitive. Now Apple lost its touch. Apple became cocky, lazy and stagnant.
Yeah, it's no fun chasing superior specs, replacing one plastic Android toy for another, every six months so you can brag about having the most gigahertzzzes and most inches.
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Very true!!
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Originally Posted by DaHarder
That's 'Apple RDF Math'... the 'real world' tells a much different/more truthful story.
Can you get a hold on Bloomberg's numbers?
You can't even read the chart you linked to properly.
Nielsen and NPD are measuring different things. Installed base vs sales.
So that makes all your figures incorrect.
So you fell for the marketing hype and bought one anyway?
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Originally Posted by mercury99
Even though I own 2 Macs and 2 iPads, to me the iPhone is a low end mass market smartphone: 1/2 GB RAM, tiny screen, no AMOLED, no NFC, no SD, no LTE, no USB storage, small non-removable battery, assembled in sweat shops...
Million dollar marketing hype though.
My perfect phone doesn't exist and probably never will. I want an iPhone the size of the Samsung Galaxy SIII screen but I want it to run iOS because I prefer it to Android, But then again I haven't played with the Jellybean release which is supposed to make the GUI a lot smoother and faster which was my main gripe. My last android phone ran 2.3.4 so I am sure a lot has changed. I am very loyal to Apple when it comes to computers and have been for several decades now but not so much with phones since it is so easy to change without losing anything. In 10 months I will be eligible for my upgrade pricing and I will buy the best phone on the market at that time which should be around the release of the Galaxy S4 so I may just go back and forth between iPhone and Android which keeps things interesting. It is easy to get bored on one platform.
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Originally Posted by boredumb
Apple takes over one-third U.S. smartphone marketshare
I bet before you know it, Samsung will try to copy this, too...
Steve Ballmer has dibs on copying Apple from last moth moving forward. Personally, Monkey boy will get it screwed up and match the iMac sales with the WinPhone sales.
there, I found Nielson's Q2 2012 data.. so that's 8% in Q2, 2011 to 17% in Q2, 2012 - that's still 100+% gain. Apple's share increased from 28% in Q2, 2011 to 34% in Q2, 2012 - that is only 20+% gain. Nielsen's numbers are ased on # of US mobile subscribers.
In AI, they don't want platform agnostics around, such as yourself, even for just switching phones. Windows Phone 8 is another viable alternative. Although, some will say WP8 has an ecosystem problem, but that is too much of an exaggerations. At most, I will install maybe 30-50 apps, of which half probably free ones. All of these and more are already in WP marketplace, already counting more than 100K apps there. Everything else, well you can always synch it from your computer anyway, an extra step but very doable. When you are being tied up to an ecosystem, it's like selling your soul to the devil. It's very difficult to escape because you have to jump over so many hoops to get it done.
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Originally Posted by gwmac
My perfect phone doesn't exist and probably never will. I want an iPhone the size of the Samsung Galaxy SIII screen but I want it to run iOS because I prefer it to Android, But then again I haven't played with the Jellybean release which is supposed to make the GUI a lot smoother and faster which was my main gripe. My last android phone ran 2.3.4 so I am sure a lot has changed. I am very loyal to Apple when it comes to computers and have been for several decades now but not so much with phones since it is so easy to change without losing anything. In 10 months I will be eligible for my upgrade pricing and I will buy the best phone on the market at that time which should be around the release of the Galaxy S4 so I may just go back and forth between iPhone and Android which keeps things interesting. It is easy to get bored on one platform.
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Originally Posted by muppetry
So you fell for the marketing hype and bought one anyway?
no. I don't own iphone
You should probably change your signature line in that case...
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Originally Posted by Andysol
1/2 gb ram? It is still the fastest running smartphone on geek bench- better than the S3. So what if it had 2gb, but was slower- would that be better?
Tiny screen- ok. This will likely change.
NFC- what does that help with currently? Google wallet sucks. It's actually awful.
Sd/USB storage- what phone had that at all anymore?
Small non-removable battery- again what phone has that now? And when it runs 8 hours (as opposed to the competition's 4 hrs)- they need an extra battery.
Lte will also be coming- but didn't want to be introduced until infrastructure and battery friendly chips were out (which just came out)- hence the 8 hr battery life behind such a "tiny" screen.
Apple will bring stuff out and introduce it to their phone when it's going to be best received. I think the bigger screen could have come last year- but that's it. Everything else could've and shouldve waited. Companies like google who rush google wallet out can claim "they had it first"- but it sucks. The technology wasn't there- the vendors werent on board- the programming was clunky- the security measures weren't in place- etc. that's why it wasn't well received. I'd love for apple to bring it out with this next iPhone- but if they decide to wait until 2013, so they can add fingerprint technology as a security feature while using the app- fine by me- that's smart.
Being first isn't always best- we've witnessed that. Being finished and polished is best.
- RAM affects multitasking not GPU speed. Real multitasking is non-existant on iphone anyway - part of the reason it does not have more RAM.
- screen "will change"? Speculations. 4 inch is still tiny. Samsung offers full range 3.2"-5.3" NOW and a year ago.
- SD/USB storage available on most high end Android phones including Galaxy S3. You did not know? Really?
- removable battery available on most high end Android phones including Galaxy S3
- "Apple will bring stuff"? Apple is always playing catchup (copypaste, pseudo multitasking, pseudo 4G, dualcore, LTE, voice control, notifications, widgets, "large screen") . They should deliver future proof phones, instead of offering obsolete phones.
"Being finished and polished is best" - yea, right, are you talking about the antenna fiasco? It took them 16 month to "polish" that
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Originally Posted by muppetry
You should probably change your signature line in that case...
Yes, I probably should, my daughter is using the 4S. I paid $700+ for it with tax. The marketing hype and status symbol got her, she wanted one badly, what can I do?
I used to own the iPhone 3G three year ago when it was more competitive. Now Apple lost its touch. Apple became cocky, lazy and stagnant.
Nice try.
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Originally Posted by daylove22
As a consumer why should I care if Apple or another company makes the most profit? I only care to buy a good device that serve my needs. Please save us with the overseas comment that they used dumb phone..for your info overseas telecommunication systems and networks are several years ahead of the US.
So you've never been left in the lurch by a company that went bust and was unable to meet things like warranty obligations or other support services such as help lines, software updates and bug fixes.
Lucky you.
Anyway, he's going to the block list as he has spent all his credibility - after that you can't take him seriously.
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Originally Posted by Pooch
interesting stories:
appleinsider reports "Apple takes over one-third U.S. smartphone marketshare, tops Samsung "
while pretty much at the same time, cnn runs a story about an IDC report where "Android races past Apple in smartphone market share" ... stating "More specifically, IDC pegged Android's gain "directly" to Samsung, "
Think of it like Ford diesel vehicles versus gasoline powered vehicles.
Manufacturer vs manufacturer is not the same as one manufacturer vs an OS.
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Originally Posted by Quadra 610
Apple used the same strategy in the 80s and lost. No way they can continue to be successful.
/s
iPod & iTMS won in the 2000s. They're still successful.
not /s
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Originally Posted by mercury99
Yes, I probably should, my daughter is using the 4S. I paid $700+ for it with tax. The marketing hype and status symbol got her, she wanted one badly, what can I do?
I used to own the iPhone 3G three year ago when it was more competitive. Now Apple lost its touch. Apple became cocky, lazy and stagnant.
Yeah, it's no fun chasing superior specs, replacing one plastic Android toy for another, every six months so you can brag about having the most gigahertzzzes and most inches.
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Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton
Don't forget lying about how good they are, then rejoicing when an update fixes something the liars claimed wasn't broken in the first place.