Where in this story is the bowl of water reference mentioned? Typically awful AI story.
Park, a senior designer at Samsung, gave testimony claiming the design patents for the F700 were applied for in December of 2006, well before the first public announcement of Apple's iPhone. Most important are the designer's statements regarding the handset's design inspiration, which she claims came from a bowl of water and not from any Apple patents.
Yes, I definitely see the resemblance to a bowl of water..
Wait- what!??
Seriously Samsung needs to lay off with this F700 thing. It's embarrassing, especially since they seem to believe it's their strongest card. Quite the opposite, it utterly proves Apple's argument that Samsung was NOT working on anything like the iPhone before the iPhone, since this phone has nothing in common with the concept of the iPhone. It's black? Is that their argument? I don't get it. It has a damn slideout keyboard and the UI couldnt have looked more different than iOS. Nobody gives a shit what it was inspired by, because it's utterly irrelevant to their defence.
This just boggles the mind. So the short bus designer sees a bowl of water and creates that? Looks more like a urinal troff. Thats some grasping at straws right there.
Funny how the fandroids and Apple hating crowd on c|net, Engadget and the like claim this is about "rounded rectangles" when it seems to be more about software than anything else. If Samsung hadn't made TouchWiz look and act so much like iOS we might not be here right now. I do think some of their hardware mimicked Apple too but it's certainly about more than rounded rectangles.
I am searching for a funny comment about the design coming from a bowl of water but I simply can't ... Lies really are not funny I guess.
Actually, when the Sammy phone (or the original iPhone) is placed on a flat surface -- it does resemble a meniscus... the surface of water when you slowly overfill a glass of water -- where the surface is perfectly flat, but the edges curve downward to touch the glass.
The "bowl of water" could be a language difference... Like "smooth" sales.
Uh oh, the half empty, half filled water. Hack psychologists use that.
I think that an engineer is going to use a bowl that is filled with water because water is cheap enough.
But I am still trying to figure out why they simply just say that from the back of the phone it looks very much like the back of an iPhone 1st gen, only a lot thicker.
One thing about Apple product designs that become big sellers is that they are usually iconic, just like the early Motorola handsets that first came out were iconic during the 70's. Boy did everyone that had one seem cool and important.
What I laugh about are the people that use cell phones to look like they are doing some important business deal, when in fact, all they are really doing is find out if they can hear someone through the bad cell connection.
Yeah! The "iconic" expression of the iPhone is best illustrated by a neighbor's daughter, who when asked what kind of cell phone she wanted, said: "the one that [pinch zoom gesture]".
I think this is not fair to use pictures of Galaxy S vs Iphone 3G which were modified (like for tabs !)
Here is a real picture of the 2 devices on the main screen (and not in App Drawer for the Galaxy S) :
The design of the Galaxy S reminds the F700, but there is no doubt that they try to be closer than the Iphone 3G.
However, how a customer can make a mistake between the 2 devices ??
Samsung deserve to be punished (not in billion of dollars in my opinion), but that could be great, first of all, to see rules in terms of patent modified ! This system is broken since a long time now !
I read somewhere that Apple, in one of its approved iPhone patents, cited the F700 as prior art... thus admitting it exists and using the patent to illustrate how the iPhone differentiates itself from the F700... And, the Judge, therefore, considers it not to be relevant to this case.
I think this is not fair to use pictures of Galaxy S vs Iphone 3G which were modified (like for tabs !)
Here is a real picture of the 2 devices on the main screen (and not in App Drawer for the Galaxy S) :
The design of the Galaxy S reminds the F700, but there is no doubt that they try to be closer than the Iphone 3G.
However, how a customer can make a mistake between the 2 devices ??
Samsung deserve to be punished (not in billion of dollars in my opinion), but that could be great, first of all, to see rules in terms of patent modified ! This system is broken since a long time now !
Well seeing as how the "app drawer" view was how Samsung represented the Galaxy S in their marketing materials, then it really is quite relevant.
I notice that they have now changed that view, probably reacting to fanboy comments as they are wont to do.
she got her inspiration after hitting her head on a toilet bowl
Samsung manages to invent (steal) a flux capacitor, goes back in time and kills Steve Jobs before he creates Apple, and then heads back to the future only to find that the movie interpretation of higher dimensional theory is now long outdated and they're just right back where they started, sans stolen Iranian plutonium.
Originally Posted by Blitz1
Apple's point of view "The F700 does bot exist!"
Trolls' point of view: this is the best (only) argument we have left.
The bowl is always full... It's just half full/empty of water -- the other half is full of air.
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Originally Posted by lvri
I think this is not fair to use pictures of Galaxy S vs Iphone 3G which were modified (like for tabs !)
Here is a real picture of the 2 devices on the main screen (and not in App Drawer for the Galaxy S) :
The design of the Galaxy S reminds the F700, but there is no doubt that they try to be closer than the Iphone 3G.
However, how a customer can make a mistake between the 2 devices ??
Samsung deserve to be punished (not in billion of dollars in my opinion), but that could be great, first of all, to see rules in terms of patent modified ! This system is broken since a long time now !
The other main contention point here is how Samsung phones are displayed in-store. Surely human-interaction plays into this, but most of the Android phones I've seen in Best Buy have the App Drawer open... I have to assume this is an instruction from Samsung on how to best display their product (since all other companies typically include this kind of info with their products). Something I'm sure we'll hear discussed in this case at some point.
I think this is not fair to use pictures of Galaxy S vs Iphone 3G which were modified (like for tabs !)
Here is a real picture of the 2 devices on the main screen (and not in App Drawer for the Galaxy S) :
Aside from your point being without one and incorrect on its face, look at that screen. You can do exactly what the "app drawer" does on any of the home screens, which exist in the exact same manner as the iOS Springboard. You can't look at that and not notice that your argument holds no water.
Ooh. We now have a new meaning for the bolded above. I hope to see that get used more.
Samsung deserve to be punished (not in billion of dollars in my opinion), but that could be great, first of all, to see rules in terms of patent modified ! This system is broken since a long time now !
Blah blah, something about pretending that Samsung is in the wrong, blah blah, trying to use that to distract us and soften the blow of the real point of the sentence where we whine about how the patent system is broken, blah blah…
I guess that's the logical conclusion, though. Every single argument that every Samsung astroturfer on here has ever said is completely broken, so all they have left is to attack the very idea of being able to protect intellectual property at all.
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So, just for the record.
According to Samsung these AREN'T the same:
But these ARE:
Did I get that correct?
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Originally Posted by LizSandford
Where in this story is the bowl of water reference mentioned? Typically awful AI story.
Park, a senior designer at Samsung, gave testimony claiming the design patents for the F700 were applied for in December of 2006, well before the first public announcement of Apple's iPhone. Most important are the designer's statements regarding the handset's design inspiration, which she claims came from a bowl of water and not from any Apple patents.
And CNET:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57491367-37/samsung-our-phone-design-was-inspired-by-a-bowl-of-water/
Toilet Bowl is probably the case if it were true, but we know it's not.
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Originally Posted by LizSandford
Where in this story is the bowl of water reference mentioned? Typically awful AI story.
Do you have trouble reading, or are you just lazy?
Yes, I definitely see the resemblance to a bowl of water..
Wait- what!??
Seriously Samsung needs to lay off with this F700 thing. It's embarrassing, especially since they seem to believe it's their strongest card. Quite the opposite, it utterly proves Apple's argument that Samsung was NOT working on anything like the iPhone before the iPhone, since this phone has nothing in common with the concept of the iPhone. It's black? Is that their argument? I don't get it. It has a damn slideout keyboard and the UI couldnt have looked more different than iOS. Nobody gives a shit what it was inspired by, because it's utterly irrelevant to their defence.
Shouldn't that be Park Hyoung Shin?
This just boggles the mind. So the short bus designer sees a bowl of water and creates that? Looks more like a urinal troff. Thats some grasping at straws right there.
http://allthingsd.com/20120810/breaking-apple-offered-to-license-its-patents-to-samsung-for-30-per-smartphone-40-per-tablet/
Actually, when the Sammy phone (or the original iPhone) is placed on a flat surface -- it does resemble a meniscus... the surface of water when you slowly overfill a glass of water -- where the surface is perfectly flat, but the edges curve downward to touch the glass.
The "bowl of water" could be a language difference... Like "smooth" sales.
It does sound funny, though.
Yeah! The "iconic" expression of the iPhone is best illustrated by a neighbor's daughter, who when asked what kind of cell phone she wanted, said: "the one that [pinch zoom gesture]".
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I struggle to understand the strategy Samsung is employing here.
Is there some advantage to be gained by throwing the case? Perhaps they're looking for more time to present a better one?
I think this is not fair to use pictures of Galaxy S vs Iphone 3G which were modified (like for tabs !)
Here is a real picture of the 2 devices on the main screen (and not in App Drawer for the Galaxy S) :
The design of the Galaxy S reminds the F700, but there is no doubt that they try to be closer than the Iphone 3G.
However, how a customer can make a mistake between the 2 devices ??
Samsung deserve to be punished (not in billion of dollars in my opinion), but that could be great, first of all, to see rules in terms of patent modified ! This system is broken since a long time now !
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Originally Posted by Blitz1
Apple's point of view "The F700 does bot exist!"
I read somewhere that Apple, in one of its approved iPhone patents, cited the F700 as prior art... thus admitting it exists and using the patent to illustrate how the iPhone differentiates itself from the F700... And, the Judge, therefore, considers it not to be relevant to this case.
Quote:
Originally Posted by lvri
I think this is not fair to use pictures of Galaxy S vs Iphone 3G which were modified (like for tabs !)
Here is a real picture of the 2 devices on the main screen (and not in App Drawer for the Galaxy S) :
The design of the Galaxy S reminds the F700, but there is no doubt that they try to be closer than the Iphone 3G.
However, how a customer can make a mistake between the 2 devices ??
Samsung deserve to be punished (not in billion of dollars in my opinion), but that could be great, first of all, to see rules in terms of patent modified ! This system is broken since a long time now !
Well seeing as how the "app drawer" view was how Samsung represented the Galaxy S in their marketing materials, then it really is quite relevant.
I notice that they have now changed that view, probably reacting to fanboy comments as they are wont to do.
Originally Posted by jcallows
she got her inspiration after hitting her head on a toilet bowl
Samsung manages to invent (steal) a flux capacitor, goes back in time and kills Steve Jobs before he creates Apple, and then heads back to the future only to find that the movie interpretation of higher dimensional theory is now long outdated and they're just right back where they started, sans stolen Iranian plutonium.
Originally Posted by Blitz1
Apple's point of view "The F700 does bot exist!"
Trolls' point of view: this is the best (only) argument we have left.
Quote:
Originally Posted by DogCowabunga
Was the bowl of water half empty or half full?
The bowl is always full... It's just half full/empty of water -- the other half is full of air.
Quote:
Originally Posted by lvri
I think this is not fair to use pictures of Galaxy S vs Iphone 3G which were modified (like for tabs !)
Here is a real picture of the 2 devices on the main screen (and not in App Drawer for the Galaxy S) :
The design of the Galaxy S reminds the F700, but there is no doubt that they try to be closer than the Iphone 3G.
However, how a customer can make a mistake between the 2 devices ??
Samsung deserve to be punished (not in billion of dollars in my opinion), but that could be great, first of all, to see rules in terms of patent modified ! This system is broken since a long time now !
The other main contention point here is how Samsung phones are displayed in-store. Surely human-interaction plays into this, but most of the Android phones I've seen in Best Buy have the App Drawer open... I have to assume this is an instruction from Samsung on how to best display their product (since all other companies typically include this kind of info with their products). Something I'm sure we'll hear discussed in this case at some point.
Originally Posted by lvri
I think this is not fair to use pictures of Galaxy S vs Iphone 3G which were modified (like for tabs !)
Here is a real picture of the 2 devices on the main screen (and not in App Drawer for the Galaxy S) :
Aside from your point being without one and incorrect on its face, look at that screen. You can do exactly what the "app drawer" does on any of the home screens, which exist in the exact same manner as the iOS Springboard. You can't look at that and not notice that your argument holds no water.
Ooh. We now have a new meaning for the bolded above.
Samsung deserve to be punished (not in billion of dollars in my opinion), but that could be great, first of all, to see rules in terms of patent modified ! This system is broken since a long time now !
Blah blah, something about pretending that Samsung is in the wrong, blah blah, trying to use that to distract us and soften the blow of the real point of the sentence where we whine about how the patent system is broken, blah blah…
I guess that's the logical conclusion, though. Every single argument that every Samsung astroturfer on here has ever said is completely broken, so all they have left is to attack the very idea of being able to protect intellectual property at all.