I wouldn't lump Samsung's phone business with the rest of their businesses, which make everything under the sun. They are a conglomerate and they are very good at what they do with technology advancements.
This is huge in the US, yes. But, elsewhere? I don't think the impact will be that big. Different countries always mean different jurisdictions. Although, many, if not all, of Android phone makers will try harder to make sure that their phones are not infringing Apple's patents just to avoid of being hassled or haggled in the court of law by Apple anywhere on the planet. You have to remember that the huge and ever growing market for smartphones is actually outside of the US as the US smartphone market is getting close to saturation point.
We'll see how Apple plays its cards. Perhaps, as I suspected, Apple is playing this win for leveraging against its weak position in the possible upcoming war over implementations of 4G LTE standards which its competitors and foes own the majority of the patents of and are far ahead in the game. Apple already lost one battle against Nokia on this front.
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Originally Posted by jragosta
This is HUGE. Aside from the monetary damages, it sends a clear message. More importantly, it establishes a precedent that Apple can use against other infringers.
No, the Cnet liveblog was wrong and has now corrected itself. The total is $1.051 billion
Originally Posted by jragosta
There's more involved. The Verge was also reporting as the numbers were read and reported $1.5 B just for the Tab. The numbers must have been reduced for some reason. Either that or the $2.3 B reported was for all three Samsung companies while the $1.05 B being reported now is just for one of the three.
It will take a while for things to settle.
Thanks for the corrections, then!
Originally Posted by majjo
wasn't the only claim aganist the tablets the D'889 patent? I thought they ruled that it didn't infringe on that one
Yeah, I don't understand how it could get damages for not infringing. But I'll take it!
Apple just got a $1 Billion discount on parts...nothing more.
So how much of it do the lawyers get?
Oh no. Not at all. This wasn't for the money. This was for the message that was sent by this entire affair, courtesy of Apple. Apple wasn't here for the money. They were here to put certain "ideas" other companies may have (especially ones with less time and money), right to bed.
It was all to set an example and to set precedent.
wasn't the only claim aganist the tablets the D'889 patent? I thought they ruled that it didn't infringe on that one
No. That was the only design patent against the Tab - and Samsung won on the question of whether they infringed on the design patent. Apple's utility patents applied to the Tab and they were upheld. The Tab damages would be for infringing the utility patents.
Well that is a very specific verdict. Line by line, patent by patent, device by device. Apple did not win on every item or every device. That to me shows the jury gave some thought to their decision.
The interesting thing will be how and what Samsung tries to appeal and on what justification. Questioning the juries verdict on individual items would be hard. It would seem Samsung will need to show some issue with the process of how the trial was run, the evidence permitted, etc.
From the beginning, legal experts and Wall Street analysts viewed Samsung as the underdog in the case. Apple's headquarters is a mere 10 miles from the courthouse, and jurors were picked from the heart of Silicon Valley where Apple's late founder Steve Jobs is a revered technological pioneer.
So where's the judge that tells Samsung they have to post a year long portion of text on their website that says"
"We're sorry for copying Apple. We're sorry for copying Apple. We're sorry for copying Apple. We're sorry for copying Apple. We're sorry for copying Apple. We're sorry for copying Apple. We're sorry for copying Apple. We're sorry for copying Apple. We're sorry for copying Apple. We're sorry for copying Apple..."
I mean, if things are going to be fair here...
LOL
Note to big business:
It's not OK to steal.
Note to Samsung:
Hire and R&D department and make real products please.
For those on this forum (you know who you are), I'd like to say, in your face! I told you Judge Koh was biased against Apple and she tried to trick Apple into last minute settlement by saying that if the trial went to Jury the result wouldn't be favourable for either party. And look what we have here, Apple wins and is awarded $1.05 billion in damages. That Judge Koh is shady!
Give me a break. Juries are unpredictable. Settlement is the right way to go most times. Further, a settlement would have shut down the amount of time both parties are going to face with an appeal.
Two possible reasons. First, they weren't expecting a verdict today. Second, they get paid by the hour. Do they really need to be there?
Nobody was expecting a verdict today. I read that one of Apple's lawyers showed up in a polo shirt. They were obviously not expecting to be in any courtroom today.
I am a US expat living in China for 5+ years. Local manufacturers in Asia throughout will copy anything without considering intellectual rights. To them there is no right or wrong, only money in the pocket! Copying is most wide spread in the fashion industry as there is few patents. For that reason I never understand why most readers would support Samsung, a foreign conglomerate whose Chairman was once jailed for bribing the Korean President.
I had the exact same experience in Korea and China (though not really in Japan) ...they will commonly steal everything from high tech engine designs to designer clothes to food labels to the Starbucks logo on local coffee shops to western pop songs which are then marketed throughout Asia (albeit even worse sounding) as 'K-pop'. Then they'll turn around and tell the world how smart and creative they are. I reckon it stems from their Confucianist system where a relatively small number of innovators (a few domestic but usually foreign) are copied, and copied, and copied. Copying there is seen as the greatest form of flattery and originality is far less important than simply getting something that will sell at all costs. Unfortunately for them western companies don't see it that way.
There have been endless complaints about Tim Cook and arguments that he's not fit for the job and that he couldn't accomplish anything.
He's just finished his 1 year anniversary and Apple stock is up about $270 billion from when he took over. Under his tenure, Apple just one one of the biggest lawsuits ever in the mobile phone industry.
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I wouldn't lump Samsung's phone business with the rest of their businesses, which make everything under the sun. They are a conglomerate and they are very good at what they do with technology advancements.
This is huge in the US, yes. But, elsewhere? I don't think the impact will be that big. Different countries always mean different jurisdictions. Although, many, if not all, of Android phone makers will try harder to make sure that their phones are not infringing Apple's patents just to avoid of being hassled or haggled in the court of law by Apple anywhere on the planet. You have to remember that the huge and ever growing market for smartphones is actually outside of the US as the US smartphone market is getting close to saturation point.
We'll see how Apple plays its cards. Perhaps, as I suspected, Apple is playing this win for leveraging against its weak position in the possible upcoming war over implementations of 4G LTE standards which its competitors and foes own the majority of the patents of and are far ahead in the game. Apple already lost one battle against Nokia on this front.
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Originally Posted by jragosta
This is HUGE. Aside from the monetary damages, it sends a clear message. More importantly, it establishes a precedent that Apple can use against other infringers.
In ten minutes Samsung's allotted 30 minute review time will be up.
Originally Posted by Mr. H
No, the Cnet liveblog was wrong and has now corrected itself. The total is $1.051 billion
Originally Posted by jragosta
There's more involved. The Verge was also reporting as the numbers were read and reported $1.5 B just for the Tab. The numbers must have been reduced for some reason. Either that or the $2.3 B reported was for all three Samsung companies while the $1.05 B being reported now is just for one of the three.
It will take a while for things to settle.
Thanks for the corrections, then!
Originally Posted by majjo
wasn't the only claim aganist the tablets the D'889 patent? I thought they ruled that it didn't infringe on that one
Yeah, I don't understand how it could get damages for not infringing. But I'll take it!
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Originally Posted by markbyrn
Ouch.
Awesome news. Now Samsung will think 1 billion times before copying Apple again.
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Originally Posted by logandigges
"Apple vs. Samsung Case Done"
"developing"
It went "smooth."
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Originally Posted by Asim Soofi
Apple just got a $1 Billion discount on parts...nothing more.
So how much of it do the lawyers get?
Oh no. Not at all. This wasn't for the money. This was for the message that was sent by this entire affair, courtesy of Apple. Apple wasn't here for the money. They were here to put certain "ideas" other companies may have (especially ones with less time and money), right to bed.
It was all to set an example and to set precedent.
From CNET,
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Apple will ask the judge for an injunction. If granted, Samsung products will be pulled from the shelves.
No. That was the only design patent against the Tab - and Samsung won on the question of whether they infringed on the design patent. Apple's utility patents applied to the Tab and they were upheld. The Tab damages would be for infringing the utility patents.
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Originally Posted by e_veritas
How is it possible that Apple's two top lawyers are not present for the verdict reading??? McElhinny and Lee are both not present....
Two possible reasons. First, they weren't expecting a verdict today. Second, they get paid by the hour. Do they really need to be there?
Well that is a very specific verdict. Line by line, patent by patent, device by device. Apple did not win on every item or every device. That to me shows the jury gave some thought to their decision.
The interesting thing will be how and what Samsung tries to appeal and on what justification. Questioning the juries verdict on individual items would be hard. It would seem Samsung will need to show some issue with the process of how the trial was run, the evidence permitted, etc.
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Originally Posted by mcrs
But, elsewhere? I don't think the impact will be that big.
You're severely underestimating the importance that the US has upon other markets.
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From the beginning, legal experts and Wall Street analysts viewed Samsung as the underdog in the case. Apple's headquarters is a mere 10 miles from the courthouse, and jurors were picked from the heart of Silicon Valley where Apple's late founder Steve Jobs is a revered technological pioneer.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2012/08/24/jury-reaches-verdict-in-apple-vs-samsung-case/#ixzz24VgpTqfp
*rolls eyes*
So where's the judge that tells Samsung they have to post a year long portion of text on their website that says"
"We're sorry for copying Apple. We're sorry for copying Apple. We're sorry for copying Apple. We're sorry for copying Apple. We're sorry for copying Apple. We're sorry for copying Apple. We're sorry for copying Apple. We're sorry for copying Apple. We're sorry for copying Apple. We're sorry for copying Apple..."
I mean, if things are going to be fair here...
LOL
Note to big business:
It's not OK to steal.
Note to Samsung:
Hire and R&D department and make real products please.
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Originally Posted by Ewan
For those on this forum (you know who you are), I'd like to say, in your face! I told you Judge Koh was biased against Apple and she tried to trick Apple into last minute settlement by saying that if the trial went to Jury the result wouldn't be favourable for either party. And look what we have here, Apple wins and is awarded $1.05 billion in damages. That Judge Koh is shady!
Give me a break. Juries are unpredictable. Settlement is the right way to go most times. Further, a settlement would have shut down the amount of time both parties are going to face with an appeal.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
As the late Steve Jobs would say, "Boom!"
nice touch Tsar Bomba that was about what happened in this case (huge ip nuke lol)
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Originally Posted by TBell
Two possible reasons. First, they weren't expecting a verdict today. Second, they get paid by the hour. Do they really need to be there?
Nobody was expecting a verdict today. I read that one of Apple's lawyers showed up in a polo shirt. They were obviously not expecting to be in any courtroom today.
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Originally Posted by rlirph
It is a great day for a US company. I LOVE IT!
I am a US expat living in China for 5+ years. Local manufacturers in Asia throughout will copy anything without considering intellectual rights. To them there is no right or wrong, only money in the pocket! Copying is most wide spread in the fashion industry as there is few patents. For that reason I never understand why most readers would support Samsung, a foreign conglomerate whose Chairman was once jailed for bribing the Korean President.
I had the exact same experience in Korea and China (though not really in Japan) ...they will commonly steal everything from high tech engine designs to designer clothes to food labels to the Starbucks logo on local coffee shops to western pop songs which are then marketed throughout Asia (albeit even worse sounding) as 'K-pop'. Then they'll turn around and tell the world how smart and creative they are. I reckon it stems from their Confucianist system where a relatively small number of innovators (a few domestic but usually foreign) are copied, and copied, and copied. Copying there is seen as the greatest form of flattery and originality is far less important than simply getting something that will sell at all costs. Unfortunately for them western companies don't see it that way.
There have been endless complaints about Tim Cook and arguments that he's not fit for the job and that he couldn't accomplish anything.
He's just finished his 1 year anniversary and Apple stock is up about $270 billion from when he took over. Under his tenure, Apple just one one of the biggest lawsuits ever in the mobile phone industry.
Congratulations are in order for Tim Cook.