To be fair, there's more than one ruling. Samsung has been convicted of bribing the South Korean president, for example. They have a long history of breaking the law - and their behavior in this case confirms that they don't think the law applies to them. Four sanctions, violation of direct orders, going around the judge and hoping to get to the jury by the backdoor, and so on.
Sure, there is plenty they've been found guilty of in this case and others but none of that means they are some cartoonishly evil Dr. Evil type company and that Apple is somehow free of all guilt on any subject for any reason at any time. You simply can't make such sweeping statements about any one time from the data we have.
His comments are as pathetic as those that claimed Apple was stifling innovation yada yada yada because a UK judge found no issues with Samsung's designs.
PS: You can't reasonably say that Samsung doesn't think the law doesn't apply to them. If it didn't they wouldn't have even bothered with showing up in court as that is a part of the legal system. I think all you can say is that they took a risk by stealing Apple's IP and they were found guilty. Now, was that risk worth it? At a penalty of $1 billion dollars and the fact that Samsung is the only Android-based vendor making any decent profit in the handset market and it's a profit that far exceeds $1 billion per quarter it would seem, unfortunately, that their risk has made off.
Sure, there is plenty they've been found guilty of in this case and others but none of that means they are some cartoonishly evil Dr. Evil type company and that Apple is somehow free of all guilt on any subject for any reason at any time. You simply can't make such sweeping statements about any one time from the data we have.
His comments are as pathetic as those that claimed Apple was stifling innovation yada yada yada because a UK judge found no issues with Samsung's designs.
People and companies are responsible for their actions, and yes, whoever is in charge of Samsung is a wannabe Dr. Evil type. How else could you explain their blatant ripoffs and disregard for other's property?
People and companies are responsible for their actions, and yes, whoever is in charge of Samsung is a wannabe Dr. Evil type. How else could you explain their blatant ripoffs and disregard for other's property?
Hmmm one thing to be fanboy, its another to make over the top statements about company that took a gamble and losted.No Dr. Evil or stupid references to that effect are needed.
Act like Mr. Cook in face of victory and stop the name calling.
Steve Jobs has done some taking of people's designs and called it his own, so lets not try act holier than thou.
Before you go into triad attack on me, take 10 deep breaths and look up Xerox designs that Apple used in early 80s.
Edit: actually visit was 1979 to Xerox, which Steve Jobs had one of his distortion reality field and GUI for apple was born.
P.S. I love Apple, but not going to be native and think there are holier than thou!
Solipsism X, I can't understand your support for Samsung at this time.
Samsung do make other things - but those divisions of Samsung are not the issue here.
Whoever is sanctioning Samsung's terribly ill judged statements are either unaware of copyright and patent law.
Or they seem to want to ally themselves NOT with business partners and clients, but with ignorant and loud mouthed 'Android fans' that think this is about Apple bullying companies for no good reason.
They should be careful here. 'Android fans' does not necessarily mean 'Samsung fans'.
I hear Android support, I hear Apple hate, I'm not hearing support for Samsung from anyone (except you).
Solipsism X, I can't understand your support for Samsung at this time.
Samsung do make other things - but those divisions of Samsung are not the issue here.
Whoever is sanctioning Samsung's terribly ill judged statements are either unaware of copyright and patent law.
Or they seem to want to ally themselves NOT with business partners and clients, but with ignorant and loud mouthed 'Android fans' that think this is about Apple bullying companies for no good reason.
They should be careful here. 'Android fans' does not necessarily mean 'Samsung fans'.
I hear Android support, I hear Apple hate, I'm not hearing support for Samsung from anyone (except you).
1) I have certainly not supported Samsung, I disagreed with an excessive and over the top comment that has no basis in fact.
2) Based on the statements I was responding to the head of Samsung is an issue because it ultimately controls Samsung Electronics.
Solipsism X, I can't understand your support for Samsung at this time.
Samsung do make other things - but those divisions of Samsung are not the issue here.
Whoever is sanctioning Samsung's terribly ill judged statements are either unaware of copyright and patent law.
Or they seem to want to ally themselves NOT with business partners and clients, but with ignorant and loud mouthed 'Android fans' that think this is about Apple bullying companies for no good reason.
They should be careful here. 'Android fans' does not necessarily mean 'Samsung fans'.
I hear Android support, I hear Apple hate, I'm not hearing support for Samsung from anyone (except you).
Actually if Solipsism is supporting Samsung, so must and I am more Apple, then you ever be. Actually Solipsism is probably more Apple Fanboy, then you and I will ever be. He is like me thinking rationally. Actually If you think he is showing support, please read his comments again.
Emotions run high and sometimes, people are not reading with rational head.
It's easy to say they copy everything. It's easy to offer up plenty of evidence thereof. But they have done some decent work in component research, and it's certainly improper to sling insults of a nationalistic or racial nature around, blanketing the whole company.
I think they ought to just drop out of the product business entirely and focus on fulfilling requests from other companies. They're spectacular at copying; they can copy others' designs in the component orders they receive.
Sure, there is plenty they've been found guilty of in this case and others but none of that means they are some cartoonishly evil Dr. Evil type company and that Apple is somehow free of all guilt on any subject for any reason at any time. You simply can't make such sweeping statements about any one time from the data we have.
And I didn't. I simply pointed out the error in your statement that there was only one data point against Samsung.
Before you go into triad attack on me, take 10 deep breaths and look up Xerox designs that Apple used in early 80s.
Anybody who claims to know anything about Apple knows about Xerox, and Apple didn't sneak their way in to Xerox, Xerox agreed to let them in!
Maybe Xerox were a bunch of idiots for agreeing, but that is their problem. You can't possibly compare Apple and Xerox to what Samsung has done. I do often see ignorant people bring up Apple and Xerox from time to time, and these people should know the facts better, before trying to make a ridiculous comparison.
And I didn't. I simply pointed out the error in your statement that there was only one data point against Samsung.
I never said that there was only one data point. I stated that Apple ][ used on one data point to come to his conclusion. If he used all the known data points there is still no evidence that Samsung is the Dr. Evil run conglomerate that will prefer to steal than to do any legitimate business as Apple ][ claims.
Anybody who claims to know anything about Apple knows about Xerox, and Apple didn't sneak their way in to Xerox, Xerox agreed to let them in!
Maybe Xerox were a bunch of idiots for agreeing, but that is their problem. You can't possibly compare Apple and Xerox to what Samsung has done. I do often see ignorant people bring up Apple and Xerox from time to time, and these people should know the facts better, before trying to make a ridiculous comparison.
You need to calm down and chill! Your words read like the world coming to end because I dare to say something seems negative against apple
If you read my post slowly and I mean slowly, you note my comment about Steve.
Btw the facts of Xerox are not clear and it was not comparison, just stating that no one is holier than thou.
I am not ignorant person, just see the story from both sides, not from 'I love Apple perspective, can do no wrong, with blinds over my eyes'
Lastly Let's not call Xerox people bunch of idiots, since those idiots help to give us Apple today (remember just small piece of the greatness)
Edit: Do you think the Apple lawyers had a meal, like the end of Avengers..
OH crap Neil Armstrong has just died....another humble person, who did great things!
Why? Certainly after all we have been apprised on Steve's character, particularly since his return to Apple, the evidence is to the contrary.
What evidence to the contrary? Steve had no problem calling out people for their BS, remember the interview he did along side bill gates and his "giving people in hell a glass of ice water comment?" He said that to bills face and thats certainly not an isolated incident. I think if he were here today hed be absolutely doing a victory dance.
I never said that there was only one data point. I stated that Apple ][ used on one data point to come to his conclusion. If he used all the known data points there is still no evidence that Samsung is the Dr. Evil run conglomerate that will prefer to steal than to do any legitimate business as Apple ][ claims.
All of the evidence that I've seen so far tells me that Samsung is not a good company. Is the head of Apple, Tim Cook, a convicted criminal, guilty of stealing millions? Did Apple ever bribe any judges or politicians?
Samsung is a “chaebol” – one of the family-run conglomerates that dominate South Korean society. Almost Mafia-like in their obsessive secrecy and reach, chaebols have influence in most markets and industries in the country and wield huge political influence.
They have also not been shy of using underhand methods to maintain their position. In 1997, South Korean journalist, Sang-ho Lee, obtained secretly recorded audiotapes of conversations between Haksoo Lee, the vice-chairman of the Samsung Group, and Seokhyun Hong, the Korean ambassador to the US and then publisher of the Joongang Daily, a major Korean newspaper affiliated with Samsung.
The recordings were made by Korean’s secret intelligence agency, the NIS, itself implicated repeatedly in bribery, corruption and money-laundering.
They revealed that Haksoo Lee and Hong were planning to deliver upwards of 3 billion won – around £2 million – to presidential candidates ahead of South Korea’s elections. Sang-ho Lee’s investigation, which became know as the “X-File”, had a significant impact.
Tim Cook was eloquent and restrained in his memo regarding the victory. Steve Jobs would have played it differently. Just reading the venom Jobs had for Google, I'm guessing his feelings with Samsung would be similar.
There are a lot of myths out there about Apple and Xerox PARC. Apple didn't steal anything from Xerox. Stock options were exchanged for the preview. In Addition, Apple made dramatic improvements to the Xerox GUI. Steven Levy covers this in his fascinating book, Insanely Great.
I found two quotes from Steve Jobs in the Good Artists Copy, Great Artists Steal vein:
"We have always been shameless about stealing great ideas."
But then, later:
"We can sit by and watch competitors steal our patented inventions, or we can do something about it. We've decided to do something about it. We think competition is healthy, but competitors should create their own original technology, not steal ours."
I think Apple would argue they steal good ideas as a starting point but then sprinkle their magic fairy dust upon them to create something entirely new and better.
Tim Cook was eloquent and restrained in his memo regarding the victory. Steve Jobs would have played it differently. Just reading the venom Jobs had for Google, I'm guessing his feelings with Samsung would be similar.
There are a lot of myths out there about Apple and Xerox PARC. Apple didn't steal anything from Xerox. Stock options were exchanged for the preview. In Addition, Apple made dramatic improvements to the Xerox GUI. Steven Levy covers this in his fascinating book, Insanely Great.
I found two quotes from Steve Jobs in the Good Artists Copy, Great Artists Steal vein:
"We have always been shameless about stealing great ideas."
But then, later:
"We can sit by and watch competitors steal our patented inventions, or we can do something about it. We've decided to do something about it. We think competition is healthy, but competitors should create their own original technology, not steal ours."
I think Apple would argue they steal good ideas as a starting point but then sprinkle their magic fairy dust upon them to create something entirely new and better.
As I said Steve Jobs "distortion Reality Field' comes into play with Xerox PARC chain of events!
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Sure, there is plenty they've been found guilty of in this case and others but none of that means they are some cartoonishly evil Dr. Evil type company and that Apple is somehow free of all guilt on any subject for any reason at any time. You simply can't make such sweeping statements about any one time from the data we have.
His comments are as pathetic as those that claimed Apple was stifling innovation yada yada yada because a UK judge found no issues with Samsung's designs.
PS: You can't reasonably say that Samsung doesn't think the law doesn't apply to them. If it didn't they wouldn't have even bothered with showing up in court as that is a part of the legal system. I think all you can say is that they took a risk by stealing Apple's IP and they were found guilty. Now, was that risk worth it? At a penalty of $1 billion dollars and the fact that Samsung is the only Android-based vendor making any decent profit in the handset market and it's a profit that far exceeds $1 billion per quarter it would seem, unfortunately, that their risk has made off.
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
Sure, there is plenty they've been found guilty of in this case and others but none of that means they are some cartoonishly evil Dr. Evil type company and that Apple is somehow free of all guilt on any subject for any reason at any time. You simply can't make such sweeping statements about any one time from the data we have.
His comments are as pathetic as those that claimed Apple was stifling innovation yada yada yada because a UK judge found no issues with Samsung's designs.
People and companies are responsible for their actions, and yes, whoever is in charge of Samsung is a wannabe Dr. Evil type. How else could you explain their blatant ripoffs and disregard for other's property?
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Originally Posted by Apple ][
People and companies are responsible for their actions, and yes, whoever is in charge of Samsung is a wannabe Dr. Evil type. How else could you explain their blatant ripoffs and disregard for other's property?
Hmmm one thing to be fanboy, its another to make over the top statements about company that took a gamble and losted.No Dr. Evil or stupid references to that effect are needed.
Act like Mr. Cook in face of victory and stop the name calling.
Steve Jobs has done some taking of people's designs and called it his own, so lets not try act holier than thou.
Before you go into triad attack on me, take 10 deep breaths and look up Xerox designs that Apple used in early 80s.
Edit: actually visit was 1979 to Xerox, which Steve Jobs had one of his distortion reality field and GUI for apple was born.
P.S. I love Apple, but not going to be native and think there are holier than thou!
Solipsism X, I can't understand your support for Samsung at this time.
Samsung do make other things - but those divisions of Samsung are not the issue here.
Whoever is sanctioning Samsung's terribly ill judged statements are either unaware of copyright and patent law.
Or they seem to want to ally themselves NOT with business partners and clients, but with ignorant and loud mouthed 'Android fans' that think this is about Apple bullying companies for no good reason.
They should be careful here. 'Android fans' does not necessarily mean 'Samsung fans'.
I hear Android support, I hear Apple hate, I'm not hearing support for Samsung from anyone (except you).
1) I have certainly not supported Samsung, I disagreed with an excessive and over the top comment that has no basis in fact.
2) Based on the statements I was responding to the head of Samsung is an issue because it ultimately controls Samsung Electronics.
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Originally Posted by amoradala
Solipsism X, I can't understand your support for Samsung at this time.
Samsung do make other things - but those divisions of Samsung are not the issue here.
Whoever is sanctioning Samsung's terribly ill judged statements are either unaware of copyright and patent law.
Or they seem to want to ally themselves NOT with business partners and clients, but with ignorant and loud mouthed 'Android fans' that think this is about Apple bullying companies for no good reason.
They should be careful here. 'Android fans' does not necessarily mean 'Samsung fans'.
I hear Android support, I hear Apple hate, I'm not hearing support for Samsung from anyone (except you).
Actually if Solipsism is supporting Samsung, so must and I am more Apple, then you ever be. Actually Solipsism is probably more Apple Fanboy, then you and I will ever be. He is like me thinking rationally. Actually If you think he is showing support, please read his comments again.
Emotions run high and sometimes, people are not reading with rational head.
It's easy to say they copy everything. It's easy to offer up plenty of evidence thereof. But they have done some decent work in component research, and it's certainly improper to sling insults of a nationalistic or racial nature around, blanketing the whole company.
I think they ought to just drop out of the product business entirely and focus on fulfilling requests from other companies. They're spectacular at copying; they can copy others' designs in the component orders they receive.
And I didn't. I simply pointed out the error in your statement that there was only one data point against Samsung.
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Originally Posted by souliisoul
Before you go into triad attack on me, take 10 deep breaths and look up Xerox designs that Apple used in early 80s.
Anybody who claims to know anything about Apple knows about Xerox, and Apple didn't sneak their way in to Xerox, Xerox agreed to let them in!
Maybe Xerox were a bunch of idiots for agreeing, but that is their problem. You can't possibly compare Apple and Xerox to what Samsung has done. I do often see ignorant people bring up Apple and Xerox from time to time, and these people should know the facts better, before trying to make a ridiculous comparison.
I never said that there was only one data point. I stated that Apple ][ used on one data point to come to his conclusion. If he used all the known data points there is still no evidence that Samsung is the Dr. Evil run conglomerate that will prefer to steal than to do any legitimate business as Apple ][ claims.
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Originally Posted by Apple ][
Anybody who claims to know anything about Apple knows about Xerox, and Apple didn't sneak their way in to Xerox, Xerox agreed to let them in!
Maybe Xerox were a bunch of idiots for agreeing, but that is their problem. You can't possibly compare Apple and Xerox to what Samsung has done. I do often see ignorant people bring up Apple and Xerox from time to time, and these people should know the facts better, before trying to make a ridiculous comparison.
You need to calm down and chill! Your words read like the world coming to end because I dare to say something seems negative against apple
If you read my post slowly and I mean slowly, you note my comment about Steve.
Btw the facts of Xerox are not clear and it was not comparison, just stating that no one is holier than thou.
I am not ignorant person, just see the story from both sides, not from 'I love Apple perspective, can do no wrong, with blinds over my eyes'
Lastly Let's not call Xerox people bunch of idiots, since those idiots help to give us Apple today (remember just small piece of the greatness)
Edit: Do you think the Apple lawyers had a meal, like the end of Avengers..
OH crap Neil Armstrong has just died....another humble person, who did great things!
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Originally Posted by Onhka
Why? Certainly after all we have been apprised on Steve's character, particularly since his return to Apple, the evidence is to the contrary.
What evidence to the contrary? Steve had no problem calling out people for their BS, remember the interview he did along side bill gates and his "giving people in hell a glass of ice water comment?" He said that to bills face and thats certainly not an isolated incident. I think if he were here today hed be absolutely doing a victory dance.
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Originally Posted by souliisoul
Lastly Let's not call Xerox people bunch of idiots, since those idiots help to give us Apple today (remember just small piece of the greatness)
The leadership at Xerox at the time were clearly a bunch of idiots, because they didn't see the potential in their own designs.
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Originally Posted by Apple ][
The leadership at Xerox at the time were clearly a bunch of idiots, because they didn't see the potential in their own designs.
So easy to call it from sidelines player and especially after the fact! Another sideline boardroom player in forum..lol
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
I never said that there was only one data point. I stated that Apple ][ used on one data point to come to his conclusion. If he used all the known data points there is still no evidence that Samsung is the Dr. Evil run conglomerate that will prefer to steal than to do any legitimate business as Apple ][ claims.
All of the evidence that I've seen so far tells me that Samsung is not a good company. Is the head of Apple, Tim Cook, a convicted criminal, guilty of stealing millions? Did Apple ever bribe any judges or politicians?
Samsung is a “chaebol” – one of the family-run conglomerates that dominate South Korean society. Almost Mafia-like in their obsessive secrecy and reach, chaebols have influence in most markets and industries in the country and wield huge political influence.
They have also not been shy of using underhand methods to maintain their position. In 1997, South Korean journalist, Sang-ho Lee, obtained secretly recorded audiotapes of conversations between Haksoo Lee, the vice-chairman of the Samsung Group, and Seokhyun Hong, the Korean ambassador to the US and then publisher of the Joongang Daily, a major Korean newspaper affiliated with Samsung.
The recordings were made by Korean’s secret intelligence agency, the NIS, itself implicated repeatedly in bribery, corruption and money-laundering.
They revealed that Haksoo Lee and Hong were planning to deliver upwards of 3 billion won – around £2 million – to presidential candidates ahead of South Korea’s elections. Sang-ho Lee’s investigation, which became know as the “X-File”, had a significant impact.
http://www.kernelmag.com/features/report/3028/samsung-power-corruption-and-lies/
Originally Posted by xRCx
I think if he were here today hed be absolutely doing a victory dance.
I contemplated bringing this image out of retirement the first time I saw this mentioned. Now that I've seen it again…
Whoa, did they fix GIFs? Is that animated for everyone else?
Tim Cook was eloquent and restrained in his memo regarding the victory. Steve Jobs would have played it differently. Just reading the venom Jobs had for Google, I'm guessing his feelings with Samsung would be similar.
There are a lot of myths out there about Apple and Xerox PARC. Apple didn't steal anything from Xerox. Stock options were exchanged for the preview. In Addition, Apple made dramatic improvements to the Xerox GUI. Steven Levy covers this in his fascinating book, Insanely Great.
I found two quotes from Steve Jobs in the Good Artists Copy, Great Artists Steal vein:
"We have always been shameless about stealing great ideas."
But then, later:
"We can sit by and watch competitors steal our patented inventions, or we can do something about it. We've decided to do something about it. We think competition is healthy, but competitors should create their own original technology, not steal ours."
I think Apple would argue they steal good ideas as a starting point but then sprinkle their magic fairy dust upon them to create something entirely new and better.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
I contemplated bringing this image out of retirement the first time I saw this mentioned. Now that I've seen it again…
Whoa, did they fix GIFs? Is that animated for everyone else?
Oh he's dancing! Baby is he ever dancing!
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Originally Posted by bugsnw
Tim Cook was eloquent and restrained in his memo regarding the victory. Steve Jobs would have played it differently. Just reading the venom Jobs had for Google, I'm guessing his feelings with Samsung would be similar.
There are a lot of myths out there about Apple and Xerox PARC. Apple didn't steal anything from Xerox. Stock options were exchanged for the preview. In Addition, Apple made dramatic improvements to the Xerox GUI. Steven Levy covers this in his fascinating book, Insanely Great.
I found two quotes from Steve Jobs in the Good Artists Copy, Great Artists Steal vein:
"We have always been shameless about stealing great ideas."
But then, later:
"We can sit by and watch competitors steal our patented inventions, or we can do something about it. We've decided to do something about it. We think competition is healthy, but competitors should create their own original technology, not steal ours."
I think Apple would argue they steal good ideas as a starting point but then sprinkle their magic fairy dust upon them to create something entirely new and better.
As I said Steve Jobs "distortion Reality Field' comes into play with Xerox PARC chain of events!