Not "upgrading" from snow leopard. Not now, not ever. First they took away the damn mouse button on the laptops, now they remove the save button in the OS. Oh you like back to my mac? You'll have to "upgrade" to get it back, oh and we've changed some other things too, sucker. Want a Retina display? You'll have to give up your optical drive and ethernet port for one of those. Next comes facebook and twitter. They're turning the mac into a social appliance / fashion accessory for teenagers. Nooooo thanks!
Not "upgrading" from snow leopard. Not now, not ever. First they took away the damn mouse button on the laptops, now they remove the save button in the OS. Oh you like back to my mac? You'll have to "upgrade" to get it back, oh and we've changed some other things too, sucker. Want a Retina display? You'll have to give up your optical drive and ethernet port for one of those. Next comes facebook and twitter. They're turning the mac into a social appliance / fashion accessory for teenagers. Nooooo thanks!
Enjoy being lost in the stone age. You remind me of the people who would never upgrade from their Altair and then later who didn't think that "newfangled mouse" was any good for a computer.
They should also factor in all of us who would upgrade, but can't because the App Store won't let us because our computer is too old. I'm rocking eight cores at 3GHz apiece, but to them, I'm on an ancient computer.
Why not? The Mac doesn't fall apart like say a Dell or HP. My old late 2006 MBP is running just fine, though the battery starts wheezing when I push it for a long spell without feeding it some power.
BTW, the MBP replaced a 1997 Mac I was using daily too.
It's just silly to replace something that is doing the job you bought it for. However, being able to back everything up in the iCloud is fantastic and will likely make me replace my venerable 2006 MBP so I can sync automatically between iDevices and Macs.
I think a lot of decisions in regard to using either more or less Apple services depends on your usage patterns. Personally, I have completely abandoned iCloud, sans MobileMe, in favor of other solutions. I have always loved my Macs but I'm not liking the new Apple as much. I would rather have more independence and less mandated compliance. I am running all kinds of different OS X versions as well as Windows, Linux and Solaris. Being part of the Apple fold is like joining a fraternity in college. You are not allowed to date non- sorority women.
Why not? The Mac doesn't fall apart like say a Dell or HP. My old late 2006 MBP is running just fine, though the battery starts wheezing when I push it for a long spell without feeding it some power.
BTW, the MBP replaced a 1997 Mac I was using daily too.
It's just silly to replace something that is doing the job you bought it for. However, being able to back everything up in the iCloud is fantastic and will likely make me replace my venerable 2006 MBP so I can sync automatically between iDevices and Macs.
I think a lot of decisions in regard to using either more or less Apple services depends on your usage patterns. Personally. I have completely abandoned iCloud, sans MobileMe, in favor of other solutions. I have always loved my Macs but I'm not liking the new Apple as much. I would rather have more independence and less mandated compliance. I am running all kinds of different OS X versions as well as Windows, Linux and Solaris. Being part of the Apple fold is like joining a fraternity in college. You are not allowed to date non- sorority women.
Mandated compliance with what? Is there something in particular that you are now not able to do?
They should also factor in all of us who would upgrade, but can't because the App Store won't let us because our computer is too old. I'm rocking eight cores at 3GHz apiece, but to them, I'm on an ancient computer.
MHz mean nothing at that point. You have to have a machine that's 64-bit across the board now. This has been a long time coming with gradual steps. The only real shocker is that Lion was only released a year ago and no one outside Apple had a whiff about Mountain Lion being released this year, instead of 2013, until Apple told us.
Also consider cost to profit. Are we talking about 6 month old product they sell 5 million per quarter or a SKU they were lucky to push 3k in a quarter 3 years ago?
They should also factor in all of us who would upgrade, but can't because the App Store won't let us because our computer is too old. I'm rocking eight cores at 3GHz apiece, but to them, I'm on an ancient computer.
Yeah... that sucks.
I understand that Apple can only support so much based on their software model.
That said, your machine would rock Windows 8 pretty well, if you're willing to install it.
And that would be? I have enjoying iCloud for taking notes which I still do like to do in TextEdit. It's autosaved to iCloud with no hassle.
I have a long list of complaints but I don't want to upset the troops and rally them into defense so I'll leave it at I don't like Apple's methodical restriction and control tactics. It displeases me, the direction that things are going with their market dominance obsession.
Mandated compliance with what? Is there something in particular that you are now not able to do?
Yes! Back to my Mac between SL and Lion among many other annoyances.
I see. I've never used it. Fundamentally you are getting at the incompatibility between < 10.7 and iCloud. That seems less a compliance issue and more a legacy support issue. I'm in a similar situation in that I have a Mac Pro 1,1 running SL and other machines on ML, but if I'm off my home LAN then I just use Dropbox to share files. Probably not as elegant though.
I have a long list of complaints but I don't want to upset the troops and rally them into defense so I'll leave it at I don't like Apple's methodical restriction and control tactics. It displeases me, the direction that things are going with their market dominance obsession.
I have absolutely no idea what you mean. I see no restrictions on usability in Mac OS that you can't do know that you could before outside of getting rid of antiquated code. If you're still using PPC-based apps now it's hard to see how it's Apple fault for still not supporting something they made public over 7 years ago.
I have absolutely no idea what you mean. I see no restrictions on usability in Mac OS that you can't do know that you could before outside of getting rid of antiquated code. If you're still using PPC-based apps now it's hard to see how it's Apple fault for still not supporting something they made public over 7 years ago.
Sorry no that is not at all what I'm complaining about, I could care less about PPC. Unfortunately I have a minor software emergency I need to attend to at this moment so I have to go and perhaps we can revisit the discussion at a later date although I will be on the road this holiday. I might get a chance to PM you later.
Sorry no that is not at all what I'm complaining about, I could care less about PPC. Unfortunately I have a minor software emergency I need to attend to at this moment so I have to go and perhaps we can revisit the discussion at a later date although I will be on the road this holiday. I might get a chance to PM you later.
No worries. I'm sure there will be another thread that is apropos. To be clear, I ask because I do value your input. That isn't to say I'll agree with your input but I do value it. :D
Only because you posted this, I felt compelled to chime in, to give another point of feedback.
I too am using WMWare (v4.1.3) under OS X 10.8.1 without ANY issues whatsoever. I run trusty old XP Pro, though I also have Windows 8 Evaluation copy installed, on a 2009 Mac mini.
I use it every day for 9+ hours to run Quickbooks (ties back to a windows corporate environment), Taxwise (Windows Only Industry Standard Tax Application) and A proprietary windows only Distribution/Shipping application. I mention these three because they rely 100% on reliable Internet connectivity.
Again, not a single glitch at all. Super smooth.
Sometimes we need to look within, to solve our issues.
Just sayin'
I have countless folks using OSX/VMware. I'm also the one that purposely is the guinea pig so that what happens (if anything) with my setup, it won't happen to my other clients which therefore makes my life much easier. So not much need to look within. I know what I'm seeing and I work closely with VMware and on occasion with Apple to iron them out so they get resolved and I can test, and upgrade everyone.
I've ran OSX 10.7 w/Fustion 4.1.3 for ages (& Win7x64 & XP) with zero issues. Super stable. Upgraded everyone, they've been happy too.
I upgraded to 10.8 w/Fusion 4.1.3 with zero problems too since OSX 10.8 was introduced. Very solid, one (minor) quirk in Windows 7x64 just with dragging windows around. Very minor.
I upgraded to 10.8.1 & Fusion 5.0 within one day of each other. I normally would not do both at the same time but I'm also testing a retina MBP and Fusion 5.0 had items related to retina displays that I wanted to test. Since then on both an MBA and a rMBP, issues have cropped up. They're random irritants mainly, but if the network connection hiccups at the wrong time, it means a session-disconnect at a very bad time.
There are always folks that will preach to never use a first release of anything. I say, "If you don't, who will? Someone always has to try, otherwise no one will know what might come up."
I'm digging all the syncing of iCloud notes and reminders. I've seen a lot less spinning beach balls when working with large projects on Adobe illustrator, it feels to me to even open faster. I for one am digging ML.
And who gives a rats ass about the facebook or twitter, if you don't like then don't sign in. That simple.
I'll wait about a year after CS6, because Adobe is always wonky, but the iCloud being added will be awesome.
I'm digging all the syncing of iCloud notes and reminders.
I had forgotten about Notes and Reminders syncing via iCloud. It's such a great way to set up things and use my Mac or iPhone to save sync and read information across devices. Siri makes this so much easier for reminders, too.
I see. I've never used it. Fundamentally you are getting at the incompatibility between < 10.7 and iCloud. That seems less a compliance issue and more a legacy support issue. I'm in a similar situation in that I have a Mac Pro 1,1 running SL and other machines on ML, but if I'm off my home LAN then I just use Dropbox to share files. Probably not as elegant though.
Really briefly, before they killed MM we could BTMM seamlessly between SL and Lion. It was not an incompatibility between the OSs but a conscious decision by Apple to not allow it anymore. After MM we were not allowed to use iDisk to save Autocad or Maya or PPT files because those were not sanctioned applications, hence restrictive measures instituted to make users comply with Apple's new rules of only App Store application with the most current apis and the most current hardware and software were allowed to use online storage.
No surprise of course. I'm just still wondering when Apple will drop the bomb and just have one OS. Microsoft always flubs it up. Apple knows not to do it in haste. At some point they will make the decision to cut OSX off. Maybe after 10.9. There just isn't a lot of excitement in the desktop OS market as we can see.
When Apple sells their own TV we'll know that OSX is on its last leg. When people are carrying either an iPhone or iPad and then come home to a iBoobTube then why will they need their iMac anymore?
My company is half Macs and half Windows desktops, but those days are numbered. Eventually tablets will take over then it is iPad or wannabe. For the high end Apple can pack a lot of power into a Mini case and run the iOS with all the power apps people want. iOS and all the iWork and iLife apps that Apple will update with it will be telling where Apple is placing its bets. Besides the minor upgrade of iWork to integrate with iCloud, iWork hasn't been upgraded for a darn long time on the Mac. That should give folks a clue.
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Originally Posted by Inside_line
Not "upgrading" from snow leopard. Not now, not ever. First they took away the damn mouse button on the laptops, now they remove the save button in the OS. Oh you like back to my mac? You'll have to "upgrade" to get it back, oh and we've changed some other things too, sucker. Want a Retina display? You'll have to give up your optical drive and ethernet port for one of those. Next comes facebook and twitter. They're turning the mac into a social appliance / fashion accessory for teenagers. Nooooo thanks!
Enjoy being lost in the stone age. You remind me of the people who would never upgrade from their Altair and then later who didn't think that "newfangled mouse" was any good for a computer.
Come on, man.
They should also factor in all of us who would upgrade, but can't because the App Store won't let us because our computer is too old. I'm rocking eight cores at 3GHz apiece, but to them, I'm on an ancient computer.
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Originally Posted by Macky the Macky
Why not? The Mac doesn't fall apart like say a Dell or HP. My old late 2006 MBP is running just fine, though the battery starts wheezing when I push it for a long spell without feeding it some power.
BTW, the MBP replaced a 1997 Mac I was using daily too.
It's just silly to replace something that is doing the job you bought it for. However, being able to back everything up in the iCloud is fantastic and will likely make me replace my venerable 2006 MBP so I can sync automatically between iDevices and Macs.
I think a lot of decisions in regard to using either more or less Apple services depends on your usage patterns. Personally, I have completely abandoned iCloud, sans MobileMe, in favor of other solutions. I have always loved my Macs but I'm not liking the new Apple as much. I would rather have more independence and less mandated compliance. I am running all kinds of different OS X versions as well as Windows, Linux and Solaris. Being part of the Apple fold is like joining a fraternity in college. You are not allowed to date non- sorority women.
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Originally Posted by mstone
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Originally Posted by Macky the Macky
Why not? The Mac doesn't fall apart like say a Dell or HP. My old late 2006 MBP is running just fine, though the battery starts wheezing when I push it for a long spell without feeding it some power.
BTW, the MBP replaced a 1997 Mac I was using daily too.
It's just silly to replace something that is doing the job you bought it for. However, being able to back everything up in the iCloud is fantastic and will likely make me replace my venerable 2006 MBP so I can sync automatically between iDevices and Macs.
I think a lot of decisions in regard to using either more or less Apple services depends on your usage patterns. Personally. I have completely abandoned iCloud, sans MobileMe, in favor of other solutions. I have always loved my Macs but I'm not liking the new Apple as much. I would rather have more independence and less mandated compliance. I am running all kinds of different OS X versions as well as Windows, Linux and Solaris. Being part of the Apple fold is like joining a fraternity in college. You are not allowed to date non- sorority women.
Mandated compliance with what? Is there something in particular that you are now not able to do?
MHz mean nothing at that point. You have to have a machine that's 64-bit across the board now. This has been a long time coming with gradual steps. The only real shocker is that Lion was only released a year ago and no one outside Apple had a whiff about Mountain Lion being released this year, instead of 2013, until Apple told us.
Also consider cost to profit. Are we talking about 6 month old product they sell 5 million per quarter or a SKU they were lucky to push 3k in a quarter 3 years ago?
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Originally Posted by muppetry
Mandated compliance with what? Is there something in particular that you are now not able to do?
Yes! Back to my Mac between SL and Lion among many other annoyances.
And that would be? I have enjoying iCloud for taking notes which I still do like to do in TextEdit. It's autosaved to iCloud with no hassle.
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Originally Posted by Brian Green
They should also factor in all of us who would upgrade, but can't because the App Store won't let us because our computer is too old. I'm rocking eight cores at 3GHz apiece, but to them, I'm on an ancient computer.
Yeah... that sucks.
I understand that Apple can only support so much based on their software model.
That said, your machine would rock Windows 8 pretty well, if you're willing to install it.
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
And that would be? I have enjoying iCloud for taking notes which I still do like to do in TextEdit. It's autosaved to iCloud with no hassle.
I have a long list of complaints but I don't want to upset the troops and rally them into defense so I'll leave it at I don't like Apple's methodical restriction and control tactics. It displeases me, the direction that things are going with their market dominance obsession.
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Originally Posted by mstone
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Originally Posted by muppetry
Mandated compliance with what? Is there something in particular that you are now not able to do?
Yes! Back to my Mac between SL and Lion among many other annoyances.
I see. I've never used it. Fundamentally you are getting at the incompatibility between < 10.7 and iCloud. That seems less a compliance issue and more a legacy support issue. I'm in a similar situation in that I have a Mac Pro 1,1 running SL and other machines on ML, but if I'm off my home LAN then I just use Dropbox to share files. Probably not as elegant though.
I have absolutely no idea what you mean. I see no restrictions on usability in Mac OS that you can't do know that you could before outside of getting rid of antiquated code. If you're still using PPC-based apps now it's hard to see how it's Apple fault for still not supporting something they made public over 7 years ago.
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
I have absolutely no idea what you mean. I see no restrictions on usability in Mac OS that you can't do know that you could before outside of getting rid of antiquated code. If you're still using PPC-based apps now it's hard to see how it's Apple fault for still not supporting something they made public over 7 years ago.
Sorry no that is not at all what I'm complaining about, I could care less about PPC. Unfortunately I have a minor software emergency I need to attend to at this moment so I have to go and perhaps we can revisit the discussion at a later date although I will be on the road this holiday. I might get a chance to PM you later.
No worries. I'm sure there will be another thread that is apropos. To be clear, I ask because I do value your input. That isn't to say I'll agree with your input but I do value it. :D
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Originally Posted by BuffyzDead
Only because you posted this, I felt compelled to chime in, to give another point of feedback.
I too am using WMWare (v4.1.3) under OS X 10.8.1 without ANY issues whatsoever. I run trusty old XP Pro, though I also have Windows 8 Evaluation copy installed, on a 2009 Mac mini.
I use it every day for 9+ hours to run Quickbooks (ties back to a windows corporate environment), Taxwise (Windows Only Industry Standard Tax Application) and A proprietary windows only Distribution/Shipping application. I mention these three because they rely 100% on reliable Internet connectivity.
Again, not a single glitch at all. Super smooth.
Sometimes we need to look within, to solve our issues.
Just sayin'
I have countless folks using OSX/VMware. I'm also the one that purposely is the guinea pig so that what happens (if anything) with my setup, it won't happen to my other clients which therefore makes my life much easier. So not much need to look within. I know what I'm seeing and I work closely with VMware and on occasion with Apple to iron them out so they get resolved and I can test, and upgrade everyone.
I've ran OSX 10.7 w/Fustion 4.1.3 for ages (& Win7x64 & XP) with zero issues. Super stable. Upgraded everyone, they've been happy too.
I upgraded to 10.8 w/Fusion 4.1.3 with zero problems too since OSX 10.8 was introduced. Very solid, one (minor) quirk in Windows 7x64 just with dragging windows around. Very minor.
I upgraded to 10.8.1 & Fusion 5.0 within one day of each other. I normally would not do both at the same time but I'm also testing a retina MBP and Fusion 5.0 had items related to retina displays that I wanted to test. Since then on both an MBA and a rMBP, issues have cropped up. They're random irritants mainly, but if the network connection hiccups at the wrong time, it means a session-disconnect at a very bad time.
There are always folks that will preach to never use a first release of anything. I say, "If you don't, who will? Someone always has to try, otherwise no one will know what might come up."
I'm digging all the syncing of iCloud notes and reminders. I've seen a lot less spinning beach balls when working with large projects on Adobe illustrator, it feels to me to even open faster. I for one am digging ML.
And who gives a rats ass about the facebook or twitter, if you don't like then don't sign in. That simple.
I'll wait about a year after CS6, because Adobe is always wonky, but the iCloud being added will be awesome.
I had forgotten about Notes and Reminders syncing via iCloud. It's such a great way to set up things and use my Mac or iPhone to save sync and read information across devices. Siri makes this so much easier for reminders, too.
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Originally Posted by muppetry
I see. I've never used it. Fundamentally you are getting at the incompatibility between < 10.7 and iCloud. That seems less a compliance issue and more a legacy support issue. I'm in a similar situation in that I have a Mac Pro 1,1 running SL and other machines on ML, but if I'm off my home LAN then I just use Dropbox to share files. Probably not as elegant though.
Really briefly, before they killed MM we could BTMM seamlessly between SL and Lion. It was not an incompatibility between the OSs but a conscious decision by Apple to not allow it anymore. After MM we were not allowed to use iDisk to save Autocad or Maya or PPT files because those were not sanctioned applications, hence restrictive measures instituted to make users comply with Apple's new rules of only App Store application with the most current apis and the most current hardware and software were allowed to use online storage.
No surprise of course. I'm just still wondering when Apple will drop the bomb and just have one OS. Microsoft always flubs it up. Apple knows not to do it in haste. At some point they will make the decision to cut OSX off. Maybe after 10.9. There just isn't a lot of excitement in the desktop OS market as we can see.
When Apple sells their own TV we'll know that OSX is on its last leg. When people are carrying either an iPhone or iPad and then come home to a iBoobTube then why will they need their iMac anymore?
My company is half Macs and half Windows desktops, but those days are numbered. Eventually tablets will take over then it is iPad or wannabe. For the high end Apple can pack a lot of power into a Mini case and run the iOS with all the power apps people want. iOS and all the iWork and iLife apps that Apple will update with it will be telling where Apple is placing its bets. Besides the minor upgrade of iWork to integrate with iCloud, iWork hasn't been upgraded for a darn long time on the Mac. That should give folks a clue.
Originally Posted by MacTel
I'm just still wondering when Apple will drop the bomb and just have one OS.
2017.
When Apple sells their own TV we'll know that OSX is on its last leg.
And so will Apple be…
When people are carrying either an iPhone or iPad and then come home to a iBoobTube then why will they need their iMac anymore?
When you shut your mind off to watch TV, there will always be a market for turning your mind on.