But since Samsung is doing it out of retaliation, Apple's first move makes them the bigger @ssholes.....right?
No, no. It's OK when people sue Apple, even if they are suing them for FRAND patents Apple is trying to pay fairly for or when they are planning to sue them for a currently unannounced device based on rumours. It's all perfectly reasonable.
I thought that these patents were paid for in the price of the chips Apple bought from the manufacturer. If so, how can Samsung sue them when they already paid? If not, can someone tell me which LTE patents Samsung owns that are not part of the chip price and are not FRAND/SEP? Thanks in advance.
No, no one here can tell you those answers. Sorry. Become a lawyer and get a job for either Samsung or Apple, and then you might be able to get your answer in about 15 years.
This really is getting ri-god-damn-diculous. If it were an actual war, I'd think it'd be time for Apple to nuke Samsung from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
Not only are most of these patents FRAND patents which should by contract have a very low fee, most of them are also 'exhausted'. That means that the chip maker (Qualcomm for example) has ALREADY paid the patent fee, so Apple should not need to pay it again.
This apple-Samsung thing is shaping up to be a problem between USA and south Korea. There is already talk of Apple making this an issue in regards to USA-south Korea FTA. If this is the case korea and Samsung will both throw in the towel. No country in the world is gonna mess with USA.
"Apple may have a tougher than expected challenge persuading a US court to invalidate HTC LTE patents, with the trade judge presiding over the trial already agreeing with HTC on key issues of ownership. Justice Thomas Pender said he would likely dismiss Apple arguments that HTC does not correctly own the two patents in question, Businessweek reports, telling the Cupertino firm’s lawyer that “I don’t care if they bought these patents to sue you or not.”
This apple-Samsung thing is shaping up to be a problem between USA and south Korea. There is already talk of Apple making this an issue in regards to USA-south Korea FTA. If this is the case korea and Samsung will both throw in the towel. No country in the world is gonna mess with USA.
"This isn’t the only threat against the iPhone 5 actually making it to market this month. Last week a Chinese company managed to patent the design of GooPhone i5, which looks incredibly similar to the leaked images of the iPhone 5. If the iPhone 5 does indeed look like the leaked shots, Apple will most likely be facing a new lawsuit in China accusing them of design infringement."
I love how Samsung claim they 'Innovate, not litigate', now they're preparing litigation over something which they don't even know exactly what they're litigating for
Yeah, if Apple are "litigators, not innovators", then Samsung can't help but copy that too. <wink>
I hope Samsung sues, because when they lose, it'll show just how petty and hollow their case was.
If I run into you with my car and then you call the cops to report it, who shoulders the blame for the unpleasantness that follows?
Allow me to clarify my comment, of which Solip knew exactly what I meant given his recollection of DaHarder's post I am poking fun at. You see, DaHarder, during the latest Apple/Samsung $1B award trial, was saying that Apple are, essentially, a-holes for suing Samsung over rounded rectangles and that they are bullying and taking the patent suit too far. Now that Samsung is the aggressor, it's justified because Apple opened the can of worms. Hopefully Solip is right where the LTE patent royalties that are due Samsung were already covered on the component side in the purchase cost of the broadband chip. Samsung is trying to double dip, just like Motorola did about 18 months ago, and charge Apple again on the front end based on the net price of the iPhone.
When it starts in November, the Moto/Apple trial should be open and shut and since Apple paid Qualcomm (the presumed baseband chip supplier) for the LTE chip, this (looming) Samsung case should be open and shut, also.
Whatever. Samsung's butt is still raw from getting spanked to the tune of a bit more than a Billion dollars.
If in fact Apple is using Samsung's technology, it'll get sorted out in court. Considering the LTE tech that Apple owns, I doubt that it'll be much of a problem if at all. Samsung is trying to make this into waaaay more than it'll likely turn out to be.
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If that is true, Apple will have the paperwork to file a motion to dismiss due to patent exhaustion. End of game
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Originally Posted by DaHarder
Looks like two can play the (rather senseless) litigation game...
But since Samsung is doing it out of retaliation, Apple's first move makes them the bigger @ssholes.....right?
No, no. It's OK when people sue Apple, even if they are suing them for FRAND patents Apple is trying to pay fairly for or when they are planning to sue them for a currently unannounced device based on rumours. It's all perfectly reasonable.
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Originally Posted by iSteelers
I thought that these patents were paid for in the price of the chips Apple bought from the manufacturer. If so, how can Samsung sue them when they already paid? If not, can someone tell me which LTE patents Samsung owns that are not part of the chip price and are not FRAND/SEP? Thanks in advance.
No, no one here can tell you those answers. Sorry. Become a lawyer and get a job for either Samsung or Apple, and then you might be able to get your answer in about 15 years.
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Originally Posted by Dickprinter
But since Samsung is doing it out of retaliation, Apple's first move makes them the bigger @ssholes.....right?
I'm not sure you know the meaning of the word "first".
The first person to sue is not the first person to act. The first offense was the copying that Samsung was found dramatically guilty of.
That's a good point but I think he meant it as first move in regards to 'it' is legal action, not first move in all.
This really is getting ri-god-damn-diculous. If it were an actual war, I'd think it'd be time for Apple to nuke Samsung from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
That's assuming that Samsung needs to use any of Apple's patents.
Another brilliant legal move by Samsung.
/s
Apple's likely already 10 steps ahead.
Not only are most of these patents FRAND patents which should by contract have a very low fee, most of them are also 'exhausted'. That means that the chip maker (Qualcomm for example) has ALREADY paid the patent fee, so Apple should not need to pay it again.
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That's a good point but I think he meant it as first move in regards to 'it' is legal action, not first move in all.
Clearly, but that's absurd.
If I run into you with my car and then you call the cops to report it, who shoulders the blame for the unpleasantness that follows?
Meanwhile...
"Apple may have a tougher than expected challenge persuading a US court to invalidate HTC LTE patents, with the trade judge presiding over the trial already agreeing with HTC on key issues of ownership. Justice Thomas Pender said he would likely dismiss Apple arguments that HTC does not correctly own the two patents in question, Businessweek reports, telling the Cupertino firm’s lawyer that “I don’t care if they bought these patents to sue you or not.”
Maybe HTC will end up avenging Samsung...
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Originally Posted by 69ergoo
This apple-Samsung thing is shaping up to be a problem between USA and south Korea. There is already talk of Apple making this an issue in regards to USA-south Korea FTA. If this is the case korea and Samsung will both throw in the towel. No country in the world is gonna mess with USA.
China? Russia?
Oh oh.
"This isn’t the only threat against the iPhone 5 actually making it to market this month. Last week a Chinese company managed to patent the design of GooPhone i5, which looks incredibly similar to the leaked images of the iPhone 5. If the iPhone 5 does indeed look like the leaked shots, Apple will most likely be facing a new lawsuit in China accusing them of design infringement."
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Originally Posted by geoadm
I love how Samsung claim they 'Innovate, not litigate', now they're preparing litigation over something which they don't even know exactly what they're litigating for
Yeah, if Apple are "litigators, not innovators", then Samsung can't help but copy that too. <wink>
I hope Samsung sues, because when they lose, it'll show just how petty and hollow their case was.
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Originally Posted by cameronj
Clearly, but that's absurd.
If I run into you with my car and then you call the cops to report it, who shoulders the blame for the unpleasantness that follows?
Allow me to clarify my comment, of which Solip knew exactly what I meant given his recollection of DaHarder's post I am poking fun at. You see, DaHarder, during the latest Apple/Samsung $1B award trial, was saying that Apple are, essentially, a-holes for suing Samsung over rounded rectangles and that they are bullying and taking the patent suit too far. Now that Samsung is the aggressor, it's justified because Apple opened the can of worms. Hopefully Solip is right where the LTE patent royalties that are due Samsung were already covered on the component side in the purchase cost of the broadband chip. Samsung is trying to double dip, just like Motorola did about 18 months ago, and charge Apple again on the front end based on the net price of the iPhone.
When it starts in November, the Moto/Apple trial should be open and shut and since Apple paid Qualcomm (the presumed baseband chip supplier) for the LTE chip, this (looming) Samsung case should be open and shut, also.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57492514-37/apple-scores-courtroom-wins-in-motorola-frand-case/
Your pronoun 'it' is clearly choosing who is at fault while his pronoun 'it' is talking about legal action. I know you know the difference.
If in fact Apple is using Samsung's technology, it'll get sorted out in court. Considering the LTE tech that Apple owns, I doubt that it'll be much of a problem if at all. Samsung is trying to make this into waaaay more than it'll likely turn out to be.
Samsung, save the drama for your mama!