IMO There is only one thing Apple might have made a mistake on with iPhone 5 and that's NFC. ...
NFC is still a mostly useless technology, and adding it to the iPhone would have just been a case of shoving a useless component into an otherwise carefully thought out package. Why? To "future proof" it? Yeah, that's always a great strategy.
I remember a decade or so ago when Speed Pass was introduced by Mobil. I used it a few times but eventually they made you enter in your zip code anyway so it sort of defeated the purpose. Other trials were done by McDonald's but eventually canceled.
Just like Speed Pass, which was eventually hacked, what would happen if the the encryption on a phone got hacked? It is not like a 10 cent piece of plastic that can be replaced. Who's going to replace your phone? Plus if your phone RFID did get canceled by Visa or Master Card, the resale value of used phones would be difficult to determine and complicated to reset to a new owner. It is just one more thing to deal with when upgrading your phone to have to replace your RFID at the bank. People say you won't have to carry a wallet. Well, unlike with cash or plastic, if your phone accidentally gets wet you would be unable to purchase anything. And how do you buy something online or over the phone? You have to wait until you get home to find the your credit card in some drawer that hopefully is still there so long as one of your kids or their friends, or the housekeeper didn't steal it while it was not secure in your possession. I have on occasion given my credit card to my secretary or relative to go buy something. Without a wallet I would need to give them my phone. Not too practical.
I know I'm just rambling but I can see why Apple may be thinking that NFC just creates more problems than it solves.
The GS3 standby time is quite impressive. That's the only feature I'm at all envious of.
Why is any standby time impressive? Really does it matter how long the battery lasts if you NEVER USE THE PHONE? Who is this useful for? And if this is really what you need a phone for, wouldn't you be better off with a feature phone? I don't know about you, but I use my phone all day long - that's what makes my battery go down. Also, it seems like they are taking both sides of the argument when they tout both long battery life and removable batteries.
Samsung started developing PDAs almost 20 years ago, Google their ALPS project. I visited their industrial and UX design studio in Palo Alto over 15 years ago almost, and even then, they were doing some cool stuff.
Do you mean "cool stuff" like stealing technology from Kodak, Sharp, Pioneer, etc. or do you mean licensing ARM (England) chip designs and throwing together them in an ugly plastic enclosure with early versions of Windows? Now they do it with newer software they didn't code either and slap it together in an ugly plastic thing called a Galaxy. I guess innovation never was their strong point.
"in what appears to be a highly subjective comparison"
hmm, it will be interesting to see how "subjective" phone customers will find features like replaceable batteries and memory cards on the new
Samsung.
Or, a high resolution display, OR perhaps a phone that doesn't go dead as quickly. Got stuck in an emergency in the mountains, or somewhere with no power? Which phone would you want to have? The iphone with 9 days standby, or the Samsung with 30? You see, the chances of your phone being fully charged after playing angry birds while gabbing for hours is about nill. And that's subjective? I'd be willing to bet that if samsung's near 30 day standby time were an iphone 5 feature, apple fans would gloat about it. I mean does anyone think they'd not like this on an iphone?
I think the standard plug is much better approach. It's a shame that die hard apple fans like tallest skil can't understand that regardless of what adapters were used in the past, the ad is talking about Samsung's newest offering which is standard. I'd also be willing to bet most of their past ones are also standard. Yes, there is one plug for the apple, BUT that's so apple can over charge and control the market on plugs. Just as they do with their batteries which are not changeable without apple's help. Apple's approach to everything is to try and take over, then make a proprietary plug or format so they can lock everything down in greed, then pretend it's "innovative". Remember MP3's? Superior in every way, as a sound engineer I know they are and more convenient if I could not have access to pure data. Apple changed that format for ONE reason. To control people and dip into money that artist could maybe have made. No other company dared to be so controlling, proving it wasn't needed.
That's why apple's initial fanbase were mostly young and naive. Because mommy and daddy's credit cards weren't far away and their attitude, "who cares". So again, where is the standard USB power cord that the entire world is pretty much using? Leave it to apple to take something that's practically ubiquitous and redo it. I'd rather take a USB cord off another device be forced into apple's.
Wait a minute. Isn't the 5S made by the same company that just claimed that Samsung stole their "innovative" new round corners? Seems to me that Apple messed with the wrong company. I mean, to sue someone over that? Oh wait, I get it. If they sue then much of it's credulous fanbase will believe round corners are what make apple so "innovative". It's sad that they are so proud over something so lame. Maybe apple should go into the automotive industry and then patent the steering wheel along with round wheels because the others didn't think of doing that. Toyota, Ford, Gm and others will then need to manufacture this new thing called "the triangle wheel", and mount squares for tires for fear of a lawsuit. Or they could use octagons. And this is same one who's slow, over priced computers easily got infected by mac defender, mac flashback and many more, AFTER pretending they were impervious. Their one supposed advantage and even that failed them. Yep, I think I'm seeing a pattern here...
The worst phone I EVER owned was a Samsung. The battery would not even last a day within 6 months of purchase. I guess that is why they need the replaceable battery feature. If Samsung was not copying Apple designs, they would be... well, still copying RIM.
You just watch, Samsung will be trying to copy the new connector soon as they realize the USB connectors make their device thicker and heaver. Just a matter of time. The connector that does not require a specific orientation is an improvement. You can keep your USB connectors, slower and harder to use.
This has gotten dull. Either way, it's going to boil down to what people want. If all they want is the apple logo regardless of what it does, then that's the way it will be. At least samsung is creating competition that improves products. Oh well, onto better things.
If Samsung invented something, it would be competition. They are just attempting to clone the iPhone, that is not competition.
Apple offers iOS updates for their phones for at least 2 years, often 3 years. For Android, OTOH, it is common that even a brand new phone doesn't have any Android upgrades available. Heck, my daughter bought an Android 2.2 phone after ICS was already out and there is no chance that it will ever be upgradeable.
Originally Posted by jfanning
Why do you harp on about this when it doesn't carry the weight you try to place on it.
Unlike Apple, Google routinely updates their applications and releases them as updates (mail etc), you don't need to wait for an OS upgrade to get a new version. She purchased (no one forced her to) a 2.2 based phone?
I purchased a 3GS in 2009, it came with iOS 3. It will be upgraded to iOS 6 next week.
I purchased an Archos 48 media player in 2011. It came with Android 1.4. It can't be officially upgraded beyond 1.6. There are numerous apps which can't be installed, notably Skype and Google Drive.
I purchased a Samsung Galaxy Y April this year. It can't be officially upgraded beyond Android 2.3 (Not that it bothers me anymore, the model I purchased and its replacement were returned as they each went onto endless reboots. What's the point of a phone you can't use).
I swapped for the Sony Xperia tipi which with Android 4.0.3 is so far so good.
But my main phone will remain an iPhone.
It is deceptive to be promoting all the wonderful things about Android, talking about how the handsets are cheaper when the consumer can buy brand new Android handsets with the old limited versions of Android.
The consumer who buys a new iPhone today gets the current iOS. With Android it's very much let the consumer beware, as jfanning illustrates by chastising someone who purchased a new handset with Android 2.2. The consumer has to be knowledgable about which phone comes with what version of Android and whether it can be upgraded or not. Extra time and harassment for the knowledgable purchaser.
Future disappointment and confusion for those not in the know when an app doesn't work on their brand new 2.3 handset but works on a friend's year old device with 4.0.
I think when you "shake to update" the removable battery flies out....
...perfect for our etch-a-sketch candidate...
Update what? My friend's S III STILL doesn't have 4.1. No matter how much she shakes it, the damn thing won't update the OS from 4.0.4 to 4.1.
Did Samsung figure out a way to fix bugs by updating the OS by shaking it? I remember when we had CRT TVs and when you didn't get good reception, we would bang on the TV set and that would sometimes fix it. I think they using the same concept, only shaking it.
I wonder if hitting the thing with a hammer is going to increase the processor speed. LOL.
What's funny is Google doesn't have to field all of the support calls when the user shakes their S III and thing won't update.
Google was smart. Hey lets put out a crappy OS, let anyone use it for free and let someone else handle the support issues. These hardware mfg will buy into that business model.
Hey, we'll let the Community to handle all of the support issues.
I was actually surprised to see the screen resolution was less than the Samsung. But then I went online to discover that Apple's choice was specifically to support smoother scaling, which is far more important than displaying 1:1 pixel mapped 1080p. However, even though Samsung's screen is larger, with greater resolution, doesn't that mean that they have something similar to a retina display? If so, then it's kind of misleading advertising (well misleading either way), but either way it's kind of a wash.
I was actually surprised to see the screen resolution was less than the Samsung. But then I went online to discover that Apple's choice was specifically to support smoother scaling, which is far more important than displaying 1:1 pixel mapped 1080p. However, even though Samsung's screen is larger, with greater resolution, doesn't that mean that they have something similar to a retina display? If so, then it's kind of misleading advertising (well misleading either way), but either way it's kind of a wash.
It's 306 PPI with the specs given, but remember that it's PenTile. That means it's pixels are RG BG instead of RGB RGB which means there are 33% less sub pixels because they are only using 2 per pixel instead of the standard 3 sub pixels.
Not only does that mean the quality of the image isn't as good for a given resolution it means that each sub pixel on the S3 is significantly larger for a given resolution with PenTile. It's a clever solution to reduce power usage but it doesn't result in a great image. It's surprising that Samsung, in 2012, would push this type of display in their flagship device.
It's technically a Retina Display when you factor in the distance you'd hold it from your eyes and factor in the pixel density, but that does not mean it's a good display. Take the 4th gen iPod Touch. It had the same resolution and PPI display as the iPhone 4, however, it was still a TN panel, not IPS, which made it far inferior to the iPhone 4 display*.
* It appears the new iPod Touch will be getting the exact same display as the iPhone this time around.
It doesn't take a genius to see that Samsung brazenly ripped off Apple designs and Apple technology in order to maintain market share and a competitive edge that would unjustly carry the company forward to the position of market strength it enjoys today. Instead of public insults, Samsung owes Apple a huge debt of gratitude and hopefully has earned itself a gigantic smack down well in excess of $1B in punitive damages alone.
It's 306 PPI with the specs given, but remember that it's PenTile. That means it's pixels are RG BG instead of RGB RGB which means there are 33% less sub pixels because they are only using 2 per pixel instead of the standard 3 sub pixels.
Not only does that mean the quality of the image isn't as good for a given resolution it means that each sub pixel on the S3 is significantly larger for a given resolution with PenTile. It's a clever solution to reduce power usage but it doesn't result in a great image.
Samsung AMOLED(+) displays are also vibrant but exhibit poor color accuracy. For instance, people often look sunburned. There is a reason Samsung (and other AMOLED vendor) ads typically show computer generated imagery and avoid showing skin.
Why do you harp on about this when it doesn't carry the weight you try to place on it.
Unlike Apple, Google routinely updates their applications and releases them as updates (mail etc), you don't need to wait for an OS upgrade to get a new version.
Please outline every application your daughter has not been able to install etc because she purchased (no one forced her to) a 2.2 based phone?
So you're arguing that the OS is irrelevant and all the OS improvements that you Android shills brag about are meaningless?
You can't have it both ways. Please choose one and stop talking out of both sides of your mouth:
1. The fact that Android OS upgrades are rare is a serious problem that limits Android users' capabilities after they purchase a phone.
or
2. All the Android OS upgrades are irrelevant and don't do anything for the end user.
So which is it?
The fact is that with iOS, you get upgrades for years. With Android phones, it is likely that you'll NEVER get upgrades and if you do, it will be only for a very short time.
It was the same as todays USB connector. I can charge the firewire charged iPob with any modern USB based connector. One charger works for everything.
No it wasn't, the original iPods (still within the 10 years he claimed) had firewire only charging, the other end of the plug was a firewire port, that isn't the same as USB
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Originally Posted by Rogifan
IMO There is only one thing Apple might have made a mistake on with iPhone 5 and that's NFC. ...
NFC is still a mostly useless technology, and adding it to the iPhone would have just been a case of shoving a useless component into an otherwise carefully thought out package. Why? To "future proof" it? Yeah, that's always a great strategy.
I remember a decade or so ago when Speed Pass was introduced by Mobil. I used it a few times but eventually they made you enter in your zip code anyway so it sort of defeated the purpose. Other trials were done by McDonald's but eventually canceled.
Just like Speed Pass, which was eventually hacked, what would happen if the the encryption on a phone got hacked? It is not like a 10 cent piece of plastic that can be replaced. Who's going to replace your phone? Plus if your phone RFID did get canceled by Visa or Master Card, the resale value of used phones would be difficult to determine and complicated to reset to a new owner. It is just one more thing to deal with when upgrading your phone to have to replace your RFID at the bank. People say you won't have to carry a wallet. Well, unlike with cash or plastic, if your phone accidentally gets wet you would be unable to purchase anything. And how do you buy something online or over the phone? You have to wait until you get home to find the your credit card in some drawer that hopefully is still there so long as one of your kids or their friends, or the housekeeper didn't steal it while it was not secure in your possession. I have on occasion given my credit card to my secretary or relative to go buy something. Without a wallet I would need to give them my phone. Not too practical.
I know I'm just rambling but I can see why Apple may be thinking that NFC just creates more problems than it solves.
The Galaxy thing looks like an oversized plastic toy next to the iPhone.
Plus it runs on BLAndroid" (TM) or BLANDroid (TM) if you prefer.
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Originally Posted by jfanning
What about the fact that the original iPods had firewire only charging?
It was the same as todays USB connector. I can charge the firewire charged iPob with any modern USB based connector. One charger works for everything.
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Originally Posted by Oflife
Samsung started developing PDAs almost 20 years ago, Google their ALPS project. I visited their industrial and UX design studio in Palo Alto over 15 years ago almost, and even then, they were doing some cool stuff.
Do you mean "cool stuff" like stealing technology from Kodak, Sharp, Pioneer, etc. or do you mean licensing ARM (England) chip designs and throwing together them in an ugly plastic enclosure with early versions of Windows? Now they do it with newer software they didn't code either and slap it together in an ugly plastic thing called a Galaxy. I guess innovation never was their strong point.
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Originally Posted by moonskate
"in what appears to be a highly subjective comparison"
hmm, it will be interesting to see how "subjective" phone customers will find features like replaceable batteries and memory cards on the new
Samsung.
Or, a high resolution display, OR perhaps a phone that doesn't go dead as quickly. Got stuck in an emergency in the mountains, or somewhere with no power? Which phone would you want to have? The iphone with 9 days standby, or the Samsung with 30? You see, the chances of your phone being fully charged after playing angry birds while gabbing for hours is about nill. And that's subjective? I'd be willing to bet that if samsung's near 30 day standby time were an iphone 5 feature, apple fans would gloat about it. I mean does anyone think they'd not like this on an iphone?
I think the standard plug is much better approach. It's a shame that die hard apple fans like tallest skil can't understand that regardless of what adapters were used in the past, the ad is talking about Samsung's newest offering which is standard. I'd also be willing to bet most of their past ones are also standard. Yes, there is one plug for the apple, BUT that's so apple can over charge and control the market on plugs. Just as they do with their batteries which are not changeable without apple's help. Apple's approach to everything is to try and take over, then make a proprietary plug or format so they can lock everything down in greed, then pretend it's "innovative". Remember MP3's? Superior in every way, as a sound engineer I know they are and more convenient if I could not have access to pure data. Apple changed that format for ONE reason. To control people and dip into money that artist could maybe have made. No other company dared to be so controlling, proving it wasn't needed.
That's why apple's initial fanbase were mostly young and naive. Because mommy and daddy's credit cards weren't far away and their attitude, "who cares". So again, where is the standard USB power cord that the entire world is pretty much using? Leave it to apple to take something that's practically ubiquitous and redo it. I'd rather take a USB cord off another device be forced into apple's.
Wait a minute. Isn't the 5S made by the same company that just claimed that Samsung stole their "innovative" new round corners? Seems to me that Apple messed with the wrong company. I mean, to sue someone over that? Oh wait, I get it. If they sue then much of it's credulous fanbase will believe round corners are what make apple so "innovative". It's sad that they are so proud over something so lame. Maybe apple should go into the automotive industry and then patent the steering wheel along with round wheels because the others didn't think of doing that. Toyota, Ford, Gm and others will then need to manufacture this new thing called "the triangle wheel", and mount squares for tires for fear of a lawsuit. Or they could use octagons. And this is same one who's slow, over priced computers easily got infected by mac defender, mac flashback and many more, AFTER pretending they were impervious. Their one supposed advantage and even that failed them. Yep, I think I'm seeing a pattern here...
The worst phone I EVER owned was a Samsung. The battery would not even last a day within 6 months of purchase. I guess that is why they need the replaceable battery feature. If Samsung was not copying Apple designs, they would be... well, still copying RIM.
You just watch, Samsung will be trying to copy the new connector soon as they realize the USB connectors make their device thicker and heaver. Just a matter of time. The connector that does not require a specific orientation is an improvement. You can keep your USB connectors, slower and harder to use.
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Originally Posted by moonskate
This has gotten dull. Either way, it's going to boil down to what people want. If all they want is the apple logo regardless of what it does, then that's the way it will be. At least samsung is creating competition that improves products. Oh well, onto better things.
If Samsung invented something, it would be competition. They are just attempting to clone the iPhone, that is not competition.
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Originally Posted by jragosta
Apple offers iOS updates for their phones for at least 2 years, often 3 years. For Android, OTOH, it is common that even a brand new phone doesn't have any Android upgrades available. Heck, my daughter bought an Android 2.2 phone after ICS was already out and there is no chance that it will ever be upgradeable.
Originally Posted by jfanning
Why do you harp on about this when it doesn't carry the weight you try to place on it.
Unlike Apple, Google routinely updates their applications and releases them as updates (mail etc), you don't need to wait for an OS upgrade to get a new version. She purchased (no one forced her to) a 2.2 based phone?
I purchased a 3GS in 2009, it came with iOS 3. It will be upgraded to iOS 6 next week.
I purchased an Archos 48 media player in 2011. It came with Android 1.4. It can't be officially upgraded beyond 1.6. There are numerous apps which can't be installed, notably Skype and Google Drive.
I purchased a Samsung Galaxy Y April this year. It can't be officially upgraded beyond Android 2.3 (Not that it bothers me anymore, the model I purchased and its replacement were returned as they each went onto endless reboots. What's the point of a phone you can't use).
I swapped for the Sony Xperia tipi which with Android 4.0.3 is so far so good.
But my main phone will remain an iPhone.
It is deceptive to be promoting all the wonderful things about Android, talking about how the handsets are cheaper when the consumer can buy brand new Android handsets with the old limited versions of Android.
The consumer who buys a new iPhone today gets the current iOS. With Android it's very much let the consumer beware, as jfanning illustrates by chastising someone who purchased a new handset with Android 2.2. The consumer has to be knowledgable about which phone comes with what version of Android and whether it can be upgraded or not. Extra time and harassment for the knowledgable purchaser.
Future disappointment and confusion for those not in the know when an app doesn't work on their brand new 2.3 handset but works on a friend's year old device with 4.0.
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Samdung can list all the components, elements, and contents of manure, but it's STILL manure.
Yeah, but they certainly do have a lot of it.
I'm surprised they didn't mention.
"But we have widgets and animations and we support Flash"
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Originally Posted by Macky the Macky
I think when you "shake to update" the removable battery flies out....
...perfect for our etch-a-sketch candidate...
Update what? My friend's S III STILL doesn't have 4.1. No matter how much she shakes it, the damn thing won't update the OS from 4.0.4 to 4.1.
Did Samsung figure out a way to fix bugs by updating the OS by shaking it? I remember when we had CRT TVs and when you didn't get good reception, we would bang on the TV set and that would sometimes fix it. I think they using the same concept, only shaking it.
I wonder if hitting the thing with a hammer is going to increase the processor speed. LOL.
What's funny is Google doesn't have to field all of the support calls when the user shakes their S III and thing won't update.
Google was smart. Hey lets put out a crappy OS, let anyone use it for free and let someone else handle the support issues. These hardware mfg will buy into that business model.
Hey, we'll let the Community to handle all of the support issues.
It's 306 PPI with the specs given, but remember that it's PenTile. That means it's pixels are RG BG instead of RGB RGB which means there are 33% less sub pixels because they are only using 2 per pixel instead of the standard 3 sub pixels.
Not only does that mean the quality of the image isn't as good for a given resolution it means that each sub pixel on the S3 is significantly larger for a given resolution with PenTile. It's a clever solution to reduce power usage but it doesn't result in a great image. It's surprising that Samsung, in 2012, would push this type of display in their flagship device.
It's technically a Retina Display when you factor in the distance you'd hold it from your eyes and factor in the pixel density, but that does not mean it's a good display. Take the 4th gen iPod Touch. It had the same resolution and PPI display as the iPhone 4, however, it was still a TN panel, not IPS, which made it far inferior to the iPhone 4 display*.
* It appears the new iPod Touch will be getting the exact same display as the iPhone this time around.
It doesn't take a genius to see that Samsung brazenly ripped off Apple designs and Apple technology in order to maintain market share and a competitive edge that would unjustly carry the company forward to the position of market strength it enjoys today. Instead of public insults, Samsung owes Apple a huge debt of gratitude and hopefully has earned itself a gigantic smack down well in excess of $1B in punitive damages alone.
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
It's 306 PPI with the specs given, but remember that it's PenTile. That means it's pixels are RG BG instead of RGB RGB which means there are 33% less sub pixels because they are only using 2 per pixel instead of the standard 3 sub pixels.
Not only does that mean the quality of the image isn't as good for a given resolution it means that each sub pixel on the S3 is significantly larger for a given resolution with PenTile. It's a clever solution to reduce power usage but it doesn't result in a great image.
Samsung AMOLED(+) displays are also vibrant but exhibit poor color accuracy. For instance, people often look sunburned. There is a reason Samsung (and other AMOLED vendor) ads typically show computer generated imagery and avoid showing skin.
So you're arguing that the OS is irrelevant and all the OS improvements that you Android shills brag about are meaningless?
You can't have it both ways. Please choose one and stop talking out of both sides of your mouth:
1. The fact that Android OS upgrades are rare is a serious problem that limits Android users' capabilities after they purchase a phone.
or
2. All the Android OS upgrades are irrelevant and don't do anything for the end user.
So which is it?
The fact is that with iOS, you get upgrades for years. With Android phones, it is likely that you'll NEVER get upgrades and if you do, it will be only for a very short time.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Ah, but by making their phone white and the competitor's black, theirs pops out of the advertisement more and catches attention.
… That's the only intelligent thing marketing-wise they seem to have done here.
Agreed. And just to add to that as well...
In marketing 101: White=Good Guy, Black=Bad Guy
I would also say that based on the "faked" glass reflection, this is more than likely a Photoshop mockup of the iPhone 5.
Poor execution...poor taste...poor Samsung. Pack up and go home with your tail between your legs.
Oh right.
No it wasn't, the original iPods (still within the 10 years he claimed) had firewire only charging, the other end of the plug was a firewire port, that isn't the same as USB