Really?? Take a picture with your camera pointing directly to the sun and post it - unmodified. I'll be you're blowing smoke.
I think boredumb was making a self-deprecating joke...it was a play on the words "flare" and "flair". Unless you were responding with humor and then I missed it.
I don't have this or other problems I see in articles. I'm sure a few might have problems but this happens with most new devices. Search Samsung problems for the Galaxy 3, they had more than a few. I'm sure the problems that any have will be taken care of. I don't use Maps so I don't care about those, I haven't looked at them because we have a GPS built into our Jeep with voice. We don't need a phone for that.
I think the haters need to get a new hobby honestly. It's a lousy thing to do, flooding any article about an Apple product. We have Apple, Android and Windows devices. We have 7 in our home and a pile of phones, and devices. I don't dash to other brands of devices and rant. It's not cool.
...I recall that the iPhone camera lens is a 5 element one. Two or three of these lenses are probably cemented as a chromatic aberration correcting doublet or triplet (achromate), which can be expensive. If so, Apple has done about all that can be done in a compact lens system. The design of these lenses and their parameters are so well understood that it is unimaginable that the lens is sub-optimal in this respect but limited instead by physics.
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Originally Posted by opticsguy
A correction to your article. The iPhone camera and virtually all other cell phone cameras use aspheric lenses - usually molded plastic. There are many patents which describe the lenses used in cell phones. They are amazingly small do perform quite well but because of their small size it is not possible to put in light baffles and apertures to control scattered light in the lens.
Large professional quality lenses do a lot internally to control flare. In addition to baffles and apertures they also use much higher quality surfaces for less scattered light and better anti reflection coatings.
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Originally Posted by montefuego
You don't need a hasselblad. A nikon or Canon with a good lens will be fine.
Some queries then:
If the lens is a 5-element (f/2.4 aperture I believe) design, is it likely to be plastic?
Is it likely to incorporate an achromate (doublet or triplet)?
Would there be some room then for one or more baffles?
Is the image it creates worse than expected for such a geometry?
If everyone has this many issues over a phone and it is that life-shattering, then they need to return their device and get something else. It is one thing to complain about a major flaw in the design, but I think this is getting out of control. Just exchange it for a Windows or Android phone and be done with it. Pictures a little purple? I like to give people the benefit of the doubt, but all of these articles are just one big whine-fest. Get something else or learn to take a picture, but quit crying.
Might be a good idea, to not shoot a pic with a strong light source behind it. Hell, I remember my Brownie starflash took terrible pics, if the sun was behind the subject. (now that dates me)
If the lens is a 5-element (f/2.4 aperture I believe) design, is it likely to be plastic?
Is it likely to incorporate an achromate (doublet or triplet)?
Would there be some room then for one or more baffles?
Is the image it creates worse than expected for such a geometry?
All the best.
It can be any of those. But a Canon 'L' lens or Nikon pro lens will likely incorporate very expensive glass with nano coatings that will greatly reduce flare. A single lens of the type I use costs way more than the entire iPhone. And even such a lens can exhibit some flare in such extreme circumstances as pointing at the sun. The details don't matter, suffice it to say that the results are noticeable. Good luck.
It can be any of those. But a Canon 'L' lens or Nikon pro lens will likely incorporate very expensive glass with nano coatings that will greatly reduce flare. A single lens of the type I use costs way more than the entire iPhone. And even such a lens can exhibit some flare in such extreme circumstances as pointing at the sun. The details don't matter, suffice it to say that the results are noticeable. Good luck.
Plus you can also add UV, polarising and other filters to those lenses which will further reduce lens flare.
I sometimes get this with my 2000 dollar lens. As someone pointed out if you point a lens at the sun you are going to get some interesting results. I am quite sure the iPhone lenses aren't nano-coated. People need something to complain about.
That's not chromatic aberration, it's a simple case of lens flare: light scattering from surfaces in the lens array. Violet the shortest wavelength in the visible and is scattered the most. The smaller the lens the greater the flare per surface. The sapphire lens covering might be part of the problem (if indeed there is a greater one, versus say the iP4S) because is had a high refractive index (1.8).
Looking at the examples it any worse than typical in compact cameras. As noted by others, SLRs have much larger lens elements and are less affected. It's possible Apple could reduce the observed flare in the software. (After all, there's an iPhone app that adds flare).
I have NO idea why you're trying to explain this to me.
Excuse me while I kiss the sky.
This is a non- issue , seen with the best of cameras and in Hollywood movies.
Bad lighting- point the camera different or change your lighting. Problem solved.
Yeah, this is lens flare. What is it about Apple products and people trying to find every little thing to complain about?
Apple has revolutionized so many technologies, and a majority of them have been distilled into the iPhone. The unfortunate side effect is that there are many people who don't know where to draw the line with regards to their expectations of the iPhone's capabilities.
It's certainly not limited to the sun. I get a large purple flare in shots with an 8000 lm soft box just out of frame. It might seem silly to complain about this effect in 2012, considering the popularity of intentional-picture-f*cker-upper Instagram, but serious shots with the iPhone 5 will require more deliberate composition.
Vaelian
The only strange part to me is that if this was actually violet, the iPhone would see a blue haze since it can't see violet (at least the 4S can't).
Confusing violet with ultraviolet? I'm pretty sure 4S pictures include the color purple.
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So I'm assuming this'll get picked up (unjustifiably) by the tech media en masse tomorrow.
That's a pretty strong effect, not too easy. there likely wouldn't be a high quality image 'behind' the flare.
You don't need a hasselblad. A nikon or Canon with a good lens will be fine.
I don't have this or other problems I see in articles. I'm sure a few might have problems but this happens with most new devices. Search Samsung problems for the Galaxy 3, they had more than a few. I'm sure the problems that any have will be taken care of. I don't use Maps so I don't care about those, I haven't looked at them because we have a GPS built into our Jeep with voice. We don't need a phone for that.
I think the haters need to get a new hobby honestly. It's a lousy thing to do, flooding any article about an Apple product. We have Apple, Android and Windows devices. We have 7 in our home and a pile of phones, and devices. I don't dash to other brands of devices and rant. It's not cool.
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Originally Posted by IQatEdo
...I recall that the iPhone camera lens is a 5 element one. Two or three of these lenses are probably cemented as a chromatic aberration correcting doublet or triplet (achromate), which can be expensive. If so, Apple has done about all that can be done in a compact lens system. The design of these lenses and their parameters are so well understood that it is unimaginable that the lens is sub-optimal in this respect but limited instead by physics.
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Originally Posted by opticsguy
A correction to your article. The iPhone camera and virtually all other cell phone cameras use aspheric lenses - usually molded plastic. There are many patents which describe the lenses used in cell phones. They are amazingly small do perform quite well but because of their small size it is not possible to put in light baffles and apertures to control scattered light in the lens.
Large professional quality lenses do a lot internally to control flare. In addition to baffles and apertures they also use much higher quality surfaces for less scattered light and better anti reflection coatings.
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Originally Posted by montefuego
You don't need a hasselblad. A nikon or Canon with a good lens will be fine.
Some queries then:
If the lens is a 5-element (f/2.4 aperture I believe) design, is it likely to be plastic?
Is it likely to incorporate an achromate (doublet or triplet)?
Would there be some room then for one or more baffles?
Is the image it creates worse than expected for such a geometry?
All the best.
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Originally Posted by Rot'nApple
Free Jimi Hendrix ringtone to all affected.
Excuse me, while I kiss the sky!
EDIT: Rats! Hill60 beat me to it, but great satirical minds thinks alike!...
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/
Fires up Garageband...
...ome Purple Haze ringtone coming right up.
If everyone has this many issues over a phone and it is that life-shattering, then they need to return their device and get something else. It is one thing to complain about a major flaw in the design, but I think this is getting out of control. Just exchange it for a Windows or Android phone and be done with it. Pictures a little purple? I like to give people the benefit of the doubt, but all of these articles are just one big whine-fest. Get something else or learn to take a picture, but quit crying.
Quote:
Originally Posted by IQatEdo
Some queries then:
If the lens is a 5-element (f/2.4 aperture I believe) design, is it likely to be plastic?
Is it likely to incorporate an achromate (doublet or triplet)?
Would there be some room then for one or more baffles?
Is the image it creates worse than expected for such a geometry?
All the best.
It can be any of those. But a Canon 'L' lens or Nikon pro lens will likely incorporate very expensive glass with nano coatings that will greatly reduce flare. A single lens of the type I use costs way more than the entire iPhone. And even such a lens can exhibit some flare in such extreme circumstances as pointing at the sun. The details don't matter, suffice it to say that the results are noticeable. Good luck.
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Originally Posted by montefuego
It can be any of those. But a Canon 'L' lens or Nikon pro lens will likely incorporate very expensive glass with nano coatings that will greatly reduce flare. A single lens of the type I use costs way more than the entire iPhone. And even such a lens can exhibit some flare in such extreme circumstances as pointing at the sun. The details don't matter, suffice it to say that the results are noticeable. Good luck.
Plus you can also add UV, polarising and other filters to those lenses which will further reduce lens flare.
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Originally Posted by hill60
Plus you can also add UV, polarising and other filters to those lenses which will further reduce lens flare.
you actually need those flower-type hoods to reduce flare...
...and then everyone is crying about iHaters iHating on Apple on the iDevices the iHaters purchased...iGuess for the sole purpose of iHating on Apple?
Anywho, as others who weren't so super quick to get defensive as if someone just smacked their mothers, seems like a giant non-issue to me.
Looking at the examples it any worse than typical in compact cameras. As noted by others, SLRs have much larger lens elements and are less affected. It's possible Apple could reduce the observed flare in the software. (After all, there's an iPhone app that adds flare).
Excuse me while I kiss the sky.
This is a non- issue , seen with the best of cameras and in Hollywood movies.
Bad lighting- point the camera different or change your lighting. Problem solved.
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Originally Posted by zorinlynx
Yeah, this is lens flare. What is it about Apple products and people trying to find every little thing to complain about?
Apple has revolutionized so many technologies, and a majority of them have been distilled into the iPhone. The unfortunate side effect is that there are many people who don't know where to draw the line with regards to their expectations of the iPhone's capabilities.
It's certainly not limited to the sun. I get a large purple flare in shots with an 8000 lm soft box just out of frame. It might seem silly to complain about this effect in 2012, considering the popularity of intentional-picture-f*cker-upper Instagram, but serious shots with the iPhone 5 will require more deliberate composition.
Vaelian
The only strange part to me is that if this was actually violet, the iPhone would see a blue haze since it can't see violet (at least the 4S can't).
Confusing violet with ultraviolet? I'm pretty sure 4S pictures include the color purple.