Apple 'likely' to unveil 'iPad mini' at event on Oct. 23 - report

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  • Reply 101 of 165
    19831983 Posts: 1,225member


    From all the rumors I've read on the matter, Apple wants to quickly move all its iOS devices to the Lightning connector including iPad 3 so if they're investing in that, why not incorporate those other upgrades to give it parity with the iPhone 5 and the iPad Mini? Of course they're all just that - rumors so it might not happen afterall. 


     


    I've always thought the A5x in the iPad 3 was a stop-gap solution because at the time they couldn't ramp up production up of the A6 for technical reasons, so they didn't incorporate it in the iPad 3. Remember the reviews at the time reporting that the new iPad got a lot hotter in use than previous generations? The A6 would solve that.

  • Reply 102 of 165


    Originally Posted by 1983 View Post

    From all the rumors I've read on the matter, Apple wants to quickly move all its iOS devices to the Lightning connector…


     


    And all those rumors were pretty much proven false when the iPod classic didn't get Lightning.






    I've always thought the A5x in the iPad 3 was a stop-gap solution…




     


    It wasn't.






    Remember the reviews at the time reporting that the new iPad got a lot hotter in use than previous generations?



     


    It also got faster in terms of CPU and GPU and became the fastest tablet on the market again. The iPad 3 was as much a "stop gap" as the iPhone 4S was a "stop gap" for the "real" "iPhone "5"".


     


    And yes, all those quotes are necessary. image

  • Reply 103 of 165
    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member

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      I see many similarities and it won't be backsliding, it will be making a product to suit a market.



    Google and Amazon already have the cheap customers. They can give away their devices because they plan to recover the actual profit by selling you content or advertising.


     


    Apple customers have never been the type to find a bargain. Apple should make the best quality at a fair price like they have always done. The market they should focus on is the discerning sophisticated customer who appreciates high quality and is willing to pay extra to get it. For students they can have the hand me down iPad 2 at a very inexpensive price. The only reason to continue to manufacture old technology is because the facilities are already tooled for the assembly line. If you are setting up a brand new manufacturing process and designing an all new device, why build it with old technology?

  • Reply 104 of 165

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    The iPad 2 is the younger brother to the New iPad.  The iPad Mini will be taking what everyone loved about the iPad 2, shrinking it down more, making it even lighter and thinner and selling it for even cheaper.  It isn't supposed to be the top of the line product again.  Look at the iPhone vs iPod Touch.  The Touch has an older processor, the Mini will have an older resolution.  I see many similarities and it won't be backsliding, it will be making a product to suit a market.





    +1...and it's been what I've been emphasizing all along as the most probable strategy.  Some will be dissatisfied with the "quality" (it's crap!) and some will be dissatisfied with the price (too expensive!), but by and large, there is a market desiring what you've inferred above!

  • Reply 105 of 165
    herbapouherbapou Posts: 2,228member

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    Ok but you didn't explain why Apple can't release a smaller iPad with retina now. What are the technical reasons it won't work? Or is it not technical but price?


     


    If you want retina so bad why dont you buy the ipad3 now, because ... , its available right now and its not vaporware....

  • Reply 106 of 165
    herbapouherbapou Posts: 2,228member

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    That's the only reason I would maybe support non-retina. But after having a retina display its hard to go back to something that doesn't have it.


     


    Well an ipad mini at 1024x768 would have better DPI than the ipad 2 because of the smaller screen size, so it will look better even if its not retina.

  • Reply 107 of 165
    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member

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    Originally Posted by Rogifan View Post





    Ok but you didn't explain why Apple can't release a smaller iPad with retina now. What are the technical reasons it won't work? Or is it not technical but price?


     


    If you want retina so bad why dont you buy the ipad3 now, because ... , its available right now and its not vaporware....



    I already have a retina iPhone, a retina iPad, a retina MBP and I hope to have a retina iPad mini as well.

  • Reply 108 of 165
    rogifanrogifan Posts: 10,669member
    jlandd wrote: »

    I think a high quality non-retina display on the Mini would make perfect sense.  I wouldn't use it for media watching.  There's nothing visually about my current older iPod Touch that gets in the way of its use, except for the size.  Not the screen.  Why would it be stooping or not high quality?
    For me there's only two semi-feasible reasons the device wouldn't be retina. Either it would be too expensive or it would prevent the device from being super thin and light. But if Apple cripples the device just to compete with Amazon and Google on price that's a big mistake IMO. Make a superior device (and no I don't think iOS alone makes something superior) an people will pay more for it.
  • Reply 109 of 165

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    Lots of interesting possibilities. If AAPL wants to Kill It, they could price an iPad mini at $199 and destroy any competitors. Might not be a pleasing thing for shareholders to hear, as I can see AAPL losing money on each. (Yeah, I know...make it up in the volume.) But at that price could they make enough? They might be looking at higher prices simply to keep the deliveries doable.

    The new iPoad nano is clearly a nod to abandon the smart watch, at least for now. But the new nano form does sort of lend itself to being a new consumer device as well. If it ran full up iOS, would people carry them...like a phone without voice capability? Ask the kids these days...who talks on a phone anymore?




    I guess it's a possibility...but $199?...when the cow jumps over the moon.  No how, no way, will Apple sell hardware at a loss (or breakeven for that matter).


     


    I agree that the new nano iPod form factor is lending credit to the ultra portable market...mark my words, an iPhone nano iza'coming, maybe in the form of a flip phone, crippled iOS, but enough to text, email and call.  And it'll fit into all these new fangled shared data plans whilst lightening the data/$ usage of the common family (or organization).


     


    If there's a viable market, Apple will consider it VERY seriously...as long it makes money and is a gateway into the Apple ecosystem.

  • Reply 110 of 165
    19831983 Posts: 1,225member


    We'll see.

  • Reply 111 of 165

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    Originally Posted by Rogifan View Post





    For me there's only two semi-feasible reasons the device wouldn't be retina. Either it would be too expensive or it would prevent the device from being super thin and light. But if Apple cripples the device just to compete with Amazon and Google on price that's a big mistake IMO. Make a superior device (and no I don't think iOS alone makes something superior) an people will pay more for it.




    I think you underestimate the importance of 2 things: 1) there is a large market for an iPad Mini-sized device in the $300-$350 price range. 2) Apple is not so easily going to give up on this market just because of a philosophy that its devices have to be superior.


     


    Look at the iPhone 5.  It's not superior to the SIII.  It's may be a bit better, but not superior (and in fact some Droid folks would argue that the SIIII is better).  If what you're saying is true, then Apple should have released an iPhone 5 with superior specs/performance at a higher cost, but they didn't.


     


    I see your point and I don't 100% disagree, in fact, you may end up to be correct...but I fear for Apple's success if they stubbornly stick to that "superior device" manifesto.

  • Reply 112 of 165


    Originally Posted by Rogifan View Post

    But if Apple cripples the device just to compete with Amazon and Google on price that's a big mistake IMO. Make a superior device (and no I don't think iOS alone makes something superior) an people will pay more for it.


     


    They won't cripple it, but it likely won't be retina, and it'll be $399.

  • Reply 113 of 165
    rogifanrogifan Posts: 10,669member
    drewys808 wrote: »

    I think you underestimate the importance of 2 things: 1) there is a large market for an iPad Mini-sized device in the $300-$350 price range. 2) Apple is not so easily going to give up on this market just because of a philosophy that its devices have to be superior.

    Look at the iPhone 5.  It's not superior to the SIII.  It's may be a bit better, but not superior (and in fact some Droid folks would argue that the SIIII is better).  If what you're saying is true, then Apple should have released an iPhone 5 with superior specs/performance at a higher cost, but they didn't.

    I see your point and I don't 100% disagree, in fact, you may end up to be correct...but I fear for Apple's success if they stubbornly stick to that "superior device" manifesto.
    How in the world can Apple expect to sell a device for $300-$350 with specs that are inferior to a $199 device? Now I have no idea what the specs will be for a smaller iPad, just going off others speculations that they will be iPad 2-like. I'm not suggesting Apple give up on the market or price it at $199. What I am suggesting is releasing a device that has superior specs to kindle and nexus 7. And display is a big part of that since a lot of people use their iPads for reading and watching video. I think Apple can easily create a superior device that justifies the higher price tag.
  • Reply 114 of 165
    rogifanrogifan Posts: 10,669member
    They won't cripple it, but it likely won't be retina, and it'll be $399.
    And what besides iOS will make it better than a $199 nexus?
  • Reply 115 of 165


    Originally Posted by Rogifan View Post

    And what besides iOS will make it better than a $199 nexus?


     


    The rest of the hardware. And way the hardware and software work together. 


     


    The UX is just as important as either of them separately, and it's greater than the sum of the parts.

  • Reply 116 of 165

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    1024x768 like the ipad 1 and 2....  so 4:3


     


    Anyone is going to start the price debate again? Like that ultra fanboi bozo who was interview on CNBC who wants a high end ipad mini at 349$? 



    They could surprise with 2048x1536 like the new iPad. That would give a pixel density like the iPhone 4/5. In any case, yes, the ratio will be 4:3 and it will run all iPad apps unchanged.


     


    Something tells me that Apple won't want to make new products that don't have retina displays. However, in this case they need to keep the price point low so they should probably stick with the lower resolution and make the jump maybe next year.

  • Reply 117 of 165

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    The "iPhone nano" doesn't exist for many reasons, one of which being the regular iPhone can fill its market by sticking around at a lower price. 




    Why couldn't the same be true of the iPad?



    The iPad doesn't fit into a coat pocket. That's what the iPad mini is all about.

  • Reply 118 of 165


    Originally Posted by jonshf View Post

    The iPad doesn't fit into a coat pocket. That's what the iPad mini is all about.


     


    So the iPad mini is meant to be used four months out of the year, or year-round, but only if you live on the high ends of 42° north or south? Doesn't sound like a good deal.


     


    An iPad mini, and any other 7-8" tablet, is what I've taken to calling "deceptively portable". In that people keep claiming it's pocketable, but when they have to specify which kind of pockets, the air goes out of the balloon. In a majority of cases, the iPad mini is going to be held in your hand at your side, just like the regular iPad. Unless you expect everyone to start wearing jackets when it's 90? or carrying purses regardless of gender. But then you're still carrying something.

  • Reply 119 of 165


    I read somewhere it will have 3GS specs internally (i.e. cpu, etc.).  Look, rumors are rumors, and no one really knows except Apple.  I'm long apple stock but if this thing is released with specs like that it's gonna nose dive even more than the past couple weeks.  I'm waiting for iPhone 5 sales numbers anyways after Christmas and Q4 results and then I'm out most likely.  I like Apple and own a lot of Apple products, but the growth curve is starting to flatten.  And I never fall in love with a stock.  The problem is, finding another growth story like this one over the past 7 years will be difficult at best.  Hopefully the iPad mini will have decent specs.  Later.

  • Reply 120 of 165


    Originally Posted by jcdinkins View Post

    I read somewhere it will have 3GS specs internally (i.e. cpu, etc.).


     


    Nonsense! It would have at least an A5, if not an A6. 3GS is basically dead as a hardware platform.






    I like Apple and own a lot of Apple products, but the growth curve is starting to flatten.



     


    Oh boy, here we go… Not really.

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