Interesting, if true, that they would introduce a retina device and a new non-retina device at the same event.
One would think that one would make the other look bad, unless there were some redeeming feature of the new device's screen. Or can they just assert that 163 ppi looks great on our new pocketable iPad?
I haven't anticipated a new device so much since the original iPad. So many unknowns in such a crucial product category . . .
Exactly!!
They wouldn't do this.
Even of they just quietly release the MBP 13" retina on the Apple Store the same day, the tech blogs will immediately begin pointing out this disparity should the mini-tablet not have a retina-like display. My guess is it won't show up until at least November, possibly with just a press release, unless of course the mini-tablet display is on par with MBP retina in some equal or unique way.
Eh, that might work. But relegating their best selling laptop to Mac Mini levels of recognition is something I'd rather not see.
In terms of sales I'd suspect the iPad Mini is more important to Apple at this event just before the holidays. MBPs sell year round as of course will a new iPad too but I feel it merits more hyping just before to the holidays as is a perfect stocking stuffer for mums, dads, kids, grandparents not to mention the cat (the only excuse I can think of as I already have an iPad). /wink
Eh, that might work. But relegating their best selling laptop to Mac Mini levels of recognition is something I'd rather not see.
The only reason to think about having an event would be if it goes Retina. But it might not. The 'delay' rumors could be bunk and the reason only the 15 went that was is that Apple knew the price would only fly with Pros and companies and they don't tend to get the 13 inch. So until the price can come down A LOT there's no advantage to a 13 inch Retina.
Personally I'm hoping for a new Apple Cinema Display. It's the Apple device that I spend the most time looking at and it's really overdue for a redesign.
Up the physical size options, res, refresh rate and add HDMI and it is 'real' Apple TV
Interesting, if true, that they would introduce a retina device and a new non-retina device at the same event.
One would think that one would make the other look bad, unless there were some redeeming feature of the new device's screen. Or can they just assert that 163 ppi looks great on our new pocketable iPad?
I haven't anticipated a new device so much since the original iPad. So many unknowns in such a crucial product category . . .
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Originally Posted by Mac_128
Exactly!!
They wouldn't do this.
Even of they just quietly release the MBP 13" retina on the Apple Store the same day, the tech blogs will immediately begin pointing out this disparity should the mini-tablet not have a retina-like display. My guess is it won't show up until at least November, possibly with just a press release, unless of course the mini-tablet display is on par with MBP retina in some equal or unique way.
Seriously you guys are worring me. I dont see any problem for Apple to launch a retina MBP, iMac and an non retina ipad mini at the same event. But even with a non retina screen, it will still have better pixel per inch than the ipad 2 because the screen is smaller.
Half the people I talk to are unable to tell the difference between the ipad 2 screen and the retina ipad3... price on the other hand is something they see right away. A better than ipad2 screen for the mini will be more than enough for the people buying a low price tablet.
And I like the multiple choice leak from germany, Apple is making sure it gets its margin even if the mini outsell the regular ipad.
Now if only Apple could send the damn event invitations so we can talk about something that as a remote chance of not being complete vaporware.
Hey- everybody get really excited about the MacBook event and iPad mini event next week that was predicted to happen this week... and then moved back after it didn't happen to next week.... and then....
Why not. That's what they did with the 15 inch MBP
Ah, but there's a difference there. The 15" rMBP was a retina device released into an ecosystem of nothing but non-retina devices. The iPad mini is a non-retina device being released into an ecosystem of nothing but retina devices.
Now combine the two. In one event, they're releasing a new product (13" rMBP) that goes against its ecosystem positively, and a new product (iPad mini) that goes against its ecosystem negatively.
What sort of message does that send?
Originally Posted by jongrall
Personally I'm hoping for a new Apple Cinema Display. It's the Apple device that I spend the most time looking at and it's really overdue for a redesign.
If you actually spent the most time looking at it, you'd see that its design is LITERALLY this:
Screen.
Border.
Unless you spend the most time looking at the back of your boss' display as he chastises you for looking at the back of his display too often, there's really nothing to "redesign" about it.
Originally Posted by jfanning
The late 2008 Unibody 13" has a nvidia 9400M GPU
That shares RAM with the system, so it's not really considered dedicated.
If you actually spent the most time looking at it, you'd see that its design is LITERALLY this:
Screen.
Border.
Unless you spend the most time looking at the back of your boss' display as he chastises you for looking at the back of his display too often, there's really nothing to "redesign" about it.
Ugh, must you always be so antagonistic? Anyway, your logic is flawed. If there is nothing to redesign because it is "screen and border" then there would be no reason to redesign iPhone's, iPad's, iMac's, TV's or anything else that is mostly screen and border.
In addition to a smaller iPad, Apple also reportedly plans to unveil a 13-inch MacBook Pro with Retina display at a media event next week.
I like the way the products to be launched next week are being discussed when no launch has yet been announced. But regardless, there is no way an iPad mini and an 13"mbp will be announced at the same event. The mbp may, as has been suggested, slip in to the inventory with little fanfare, but it will not be mentioned at the iPad launch. The Apple launches are flashy marketing events and to dilute the message would be a mistake. I am sure the iPad will be launched in conjunction with some other service directly related to the new form factor. They'll want to contextualize the iPad and by so doing give every newspaper, tech-site and blogger free copy to spread for general consumption.
If there is nothing to redesign because it is "screen and border" then there would be no reason to redesign iPhone's, iPad's, iMac's, TV's or anything else that is mostly screen and border.
I agree. The reasons to re-design are many. There is a commercial need to refresh in order not to stagnate (move backwards), but Apple has always emphasized the relationship the user has with their device on an emotional level. Design can and in Apple's case does, change that relationship fundamentally. The lighter, the thinner, the longer the battery lasts and the less cables are involved the less 'technological' and more personal a device becomes.
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They wouldn't do this.
Even of they just quietly release the MBP 13" retina on the Apple Store the same day, the tech blogs will immediately begin pointing out this disparity should the mini-tablet not have a retina-like display. My guess is it won't show up until at least November, possibly with just a press release, unless of course the mini-tablet display is on par with MBP retina in some equal or unique way.
Agreed. This is one bit of history I think they will keep.
It is more likely the event is about one set (mobile or computer) and the other is either bunk or will just be a silent release off the site.
Or perhaps both are bunk and the event is literally a media event. Bringing in he media to talk about media (ie iTunes Store stuff)
In terms of sales I'd suspect the iPad Mini is more important to Apple at this event just before the holidays. MBPs sell year round as of course will a new iPad too but I feel it merits more hyping just before to the holidays as is a perfect stocking stuffer for mums, dads, kids, grandparents not to mention the cat (the only excuse I can think of as I already have an iPad). /wink
The only reason to think about having an event would be if it goes Retina. But it might not. The 'delay' rumors could be bunk and the reason only the 15 went that was is that Apple knew the price would only fly with Pros and companies and they don't tend to get the 13 inch. So until the price can come down A LOT there's no advantage to a 13 inch Retina.
Why not. That's what they did with the 15 inch MBP
Nah. Edward is going to come introduce the new iPad Twilight. It comes preloaded with the books, movies etc. and it sparkles in the sunlight.
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Also, a pink unicorn will be unveiled by Apple next week.
I already have one of those. Totally overrated.
Up the physical size options, res, refresh rate and add HDMI and it is 'real' Apple TV
The late 2008 Unibody 13" has a nvidia 9400M GPU
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Originally Posted by Flaneur
Interesting, if true, that they would introduce a retina device and a new non-retina device at the same event.
One would think that one would make the other look bad, unless there were some redeeming feature of the new device's screen. Or can they just assert that 163 ppi looks great on our new pocketable iPad?
I haven't anticipated a new device so much since the original iPad. So many unknowns in such a crucial product category . . .
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Originally Posted by Mac_128
Exactly!!
They wouldn't do this.
Even of they just quietly release the MBP 13" retina on the Apple Store the same day, the tech blogs will immediately begin pointing out this disparity should the mini-tablet not have a retina-like display. My guess is it won't show up until at least November, possibly with just a press release, unless of course the mini-tablet display is on par with MBP retina in some equal or unique way.
Seriously you guys are worring me. I dont see any problem for Apple to launch a retina MBP, iMac and an non retina ipad mini at the same event. But even with a non retina screen, it will still have better pixel per inch than the ipad 2 because the screen is smaller.
Half the people I talk to are unable to tell the difference between the ipad 2 screen and the retina ipad3... price on the other hand is something they see right away. A better than ipad2 screen for the mini will be more than enough for the people buying a low price tablet.
And I like the multiple choice leak from germany, Apple is making sure it gets its margin even if the mini outsell the regular ipad.
Now if only Apple could send the damn event invitations so we can talk about something that as a remote chance of not being complete vaporware.
Hey- everybody get really excited about the MacBook event and iPad mini event next week that was predicted to happen this week... and then moved back after it didn't happen to next week.... and then....
But seriously- get your hopes up.
Originally Posted by charlituna
Why not. That's what they did with the 15 inch MBP
Ah, but there's a difference there. The 15" rMBP was a retina device released into an ecosystem of nothing but non-retina devices. The iPad mini is a non-retina device being released into an ecosystem of nothing but retina devices.
Now combine the two. In one event, they're releasing a new product (13" rMBP) that goes against its ecosystem positively, and a new product (iPad mini) that goes against its ecosystem negatively.
What sort of message does that send?
Originally Posted by jongrall
Personally I'm hoping for a new Apple Cinema Display. It's the Apple device that I spend the most time looking at and it's really overdue for a redesign.
If you actually spent the most time looking at it, you'd see that its design is LITERALLY this:
Screen.
Border.
Unless you spend the most time looking at the back of your boss' display as he chastises you for looking at the back of his display too often, there's really nothing to "redesign" about it.
Originally Posted by jfanning
The late 2008 Unibody 13" has a nvidia 9400M GPU
That shares RAM with the system, so it's not really considered dedicated.
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Originally Posted by jfanning
The late 2008 Unibody 13" has a nvidia 9400M GPU
That is integrated graphics (like the Intel HD 4000 in the current 13").
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I hope you're wrong. I'd kind of like an iPad mini if the specs are right.
I hope he's wrong too, but he's not. There will be no iPad mini this year. I'll gladly eat crow if there is one (and also buy one- a mini, not a crow)
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
If you actually spent the most time looking at it, you'd see that its design is LITERALLY this:
Screen.
Border.
Unless you spend the most time looking at the back of your boss' display as he chastises you for looking at the back of his display too often, there's really nothing to "redesign" about it.
Ugh, must you always be so antagonistic? Anyway, your logic is flawed. If there is nothing to redesign because it is "screen and border" then there would be no reason to redesign iPhone's, iPad's, iMac's, TV's or anything else that is mostly screen and border.
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider
In addition to a smaller iPad, Apple also reportedly plans to unveil a 13-inch MacBook Pro with Retina display at a media event next week.
I like the way the products to be launched next week are being discussed when no launch has yet been announced. But regardless, there is no way an iPad mini and an 13"mbp will be announced at the same event. The mbp may, as has been suggested, slip in to the inventory with little fanfare, but it will not be mentioned at the iPad launch. The Apple launches are flashy marketing events and to dilute the message would be a mistake. I am sure the iPad will be launched in conjunction with some other service directly related to the new form factor. They'll want to contextualize the iPad and by so doing give every newspaper, tech-site and blogger free copy to spread for general consumption.
Originally Posted by oneaburns
…there would be no reason to redesign iPhone's, iPad's, iMac's, TV's or anything else that is mostly screen and border.
That's hardly a similar comparison.
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Originally Posted by oneaburns
If there is nothing to redesign because it is "screen and border" then there would be no reason to redesign iPhone's, iPad's, iMac's, TV's or anything else that is mostly screen and border.
I agree. The reasons to re-design are many. There is a commercial need to refresh in order not to stagnate (move backwards), but Apple has always emphasized the relationship the user has with their device on an emotional level. Design can and in Apple's case does, change that relationship fundamentally. The lighter, the thinner, the longer the battery lasts and the less cables are involved the less 'technological' and more personal a device becomes.