Seems like it would be an awful sailing experience. Providing waves a flat surface means that the "Venus" will absorb nearly the complete force of each wave that hits it. The hull shape is a 'wedge' without a place to displace the upward energy of oncoming waves - which means that overall, not only will the crew and guests get to enjoy bouncing up and down, but they will also enjoy the sway of side to side - even in light to moderate seas.
Instead of calling it the "Venus", I think a more appropriate name would be the "Vomit". Conventional hulls are shaped the way they are shaped, for a reason. That reason is not that they are easier to make - but because HUMANS use them; something that SJ apparently completely forgot to consider.
THe front does have a curvature to it. It's kind of deceptive, but look closely at the front and there is a curve to it that resembles a traditional boat hull.
Seems like it would be an awful sailing experience. Providing waves a flat surface means that the "Venus" will absorb nearly the complete force of each wave that hits it. The hull shape is a 'wedge' without a place to displace the upward energy of oncoming waves - which means that overall, not only will the crew and guests get to enjoy bouncing up and down, but they will also enjoy the sway of side to side - even in light to moderate seas.
Instead of calling it the "Venus", I think a more appropriate name would be the "Vomit". Conventional hulls are shaped the way they are shaped, for a reason. That reason is not that they are easier to make - but because HUMANS use them; something that SJ apparently completely forgot to consider.
From what I can tell its the opposite. Looks like a deadrise bow, meaning its vertical. That will tend to cut the waves and be very smooth. The disadvantage is that a deadrise is too smooth, it will not rise to get out of the way of the wave. If a big enough wave hits it can swamp the boat, ie go over the top of the bow. The decks also do not look very seaworthy by the bow. Portholes down low and close to the bow, and big windows. Both of those are likely to be underwater in heavy seas.
The perpendicular bow angle is reminiscent of yachts from the late teens and 1920s. Consistent with that are the Frank Lloyd Wright style stacked offset flat roofs with deep overhangs. I'm not sold on the rather massive stern, but overall I find it distinctive and highly original. Modest in its lines compared to some of the floating monstrosities of the super rich. Refreshing. A boldly imagined amalgam of modern yacht technology with early 20th century minimalism. I like it. Very Steve, and a fitting floating monument to his single-minded artistic integrity.
Yes, especially that one (the other yacht he did the styling on.!)
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Sounds like he knows exactly what he's doing, and you don't.
Don't be ridiculous.
Although Hodar clearly knows little about yacht design, Stark knows little more than him. He's a "stylist" on the project, not really the "designer." Stack isn't an architect, much less a marine architect. He simply produces some sketches, then knowledgable marine architects design and engineer the yacht to reflect a practical, working interpretation of whatever Stark's brain farts out! He's an arbiter of taste and trend more than anything. The seaworthyness of the yacht is the responsibility of the architect/builders.
He simply produces some sketches, then knowledgable marine architects design and engineer the yacht to reflect a practical, working interpretation of whatever Stark's brain farts out!
Seems like it would be an awful sailing experience. Providing waves a flat surface means that the "Venus" will absorb nearly the complete force of each wave that hits it. The hull shape is a 'wedge' without a place to displace the upward energy of oncoming waves - which means that overall, not only will the crew and guests get to enjoy bouncing up and down, but they will also enjoy the sway of side to side - even in light to moderate seas.
Instead of calling it the "Venus", I think a more appropriate name would be the "Vomit". Conventional hulls are shaped the way they are shaped, for a reason. That reason is not that they are easier to make - but because HUMANS use them; something that SJ apparently completely forgot to consider.
Is there some obsession with tech sites talking about Engineering like they know what they are talking about because they use a computer? It's right up there with the car analogies.
I'm sure the boat designers had never thought about the computational fluid dynamic patterns of force that their geometry will produce and thus this thing will drop like the Titanic on her maiden voyage. Or perhaps if you noted the video you'll see the change in slope on three distinct nonlinear surfaces, never mind the subwater geometry we aren't privy to seeing that will keeping the buoyancy well maintained. You can see the base is wider than the sides front which is butted off slopes away from that buttress to nearly 70% of the boat's length as the body widens out.
More than likely this yacht will feel like you're gliding and carving through the waters with very little sway.
It looks gorgeous. As someone pointed out above, take a look at the video -- a lump in the throat is guaranteed.
And you know, that's just a GarageBand loop. The very first chord hit, and I thought to myself, "Aww, a GarageBand loop?"… But it fit. And that was Steve, you know? It's who he was, what he was, and what he made others to be. Now, I'm not saying that Steve Jobs personally listened to every single loop in every single Jam Pack they put out. But I'll bet he listened to the "songs" they included therein (this was one of them), and I'll bet he listened to the music for iMovie Trailers.
Music's big for me, and when I first found GarageBand and Logic, I went through and I listened to every loop. Or near enough. I may have heard most of them just once, but whenever I hear one of those Apple loop show up in a commercial, a video, and—heaven forbid—an actual movie soundtrack, it sort of bugs me. I guess it's just from a 'laziness' perspective, but it's probably more that I can't put into words or don't have concrete in my mind.
But I don't think Steve would be like that. I mean, he picked (or trained people to know how to pick) things that had an emotion behind them. Loops that would either inspire people to create their own music like it or to say, "That's it," and use the loop itself. And this had piano, cello…
Gosh dang it, it's not a standard loop. Must be in a Jam Pack, and I don't have them reinstalled here yet. I was going to comment on its name and see if it was appropriate, too. Well, good a reason as any to finally reinstall them.
Poor assumption. Of course I read it. But I read it with comprehension, which I assume you didn't (although anyone could be forgiven for not reading or understanding the article as it's a nearly incomprehensible mess. It's either terribly written or machine translated from some other language, or both.)
Anyway, the article says nothing about Stark having designed the hull, which he didn't.
He's a "stylist" on the project, not really the "designer." Stack isn't an architect, much less a marine architect. He simply produces some sketches, then knowledgable marine architects design and engineer the yacht to reflect a practical, working interpretation of whatever Stark's brain farts out! He's an arbiter of taste and trend more than anything. The seaworthyness of the yacht is the responsibility of the architect/builders.
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Originally Posted by Hodar
Seems like it would be an awful sailing experience. Providing waves a flat surface means that the "Venus" will absorb nearly the complete force of each wave that hits it. The hull shape is a 'wedge' without a place to displace the upward energy of oncoming waves - which means that overall, not only will the crew and guests get to enjoy bouncing up and down, but they will also enjoy the sway of side to side - even in light to moderate seas.
Instead of calling it the "Venus", I think a more appropriate name would be the "Vomit". Conventional hulls are shaped the way they are shaped, for a reason. That reason is not that they are easier to make - but because HUMANS use them; something that SJ apparently completely forgot to consider.
THe front does have a curvature to it. It's kind of deceptive, but look closely at the front and there is a curve to it that resembles a traditional boat hull.
Well, if you insist.
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Originally Posted by Hodar
Seems like it would be an awful sailing experience. Providing waves a flat surface means that the "Venus" will absorb nearly the complete force of each wave that hits it. The hull shape is a 'wedge' without a place to displace the upward energy of oncoming waves - which means that overall, not only will the crew and guests get to enjoy bouncing up and down, but they will also enjoy the sway of side to side - even in light to moderate seas.
Instead of calling it the "Venus", I think a more appropriate name would be the "Vomit". Conventional hulls are shaped the way they are shaped, for a reason. That reason is not that they are easier to make - but because HUMANS use them; something that SJ apparently completely forgot to consider.
From what I can tell its the opposite. Looks like a deadrise bow, meaning its vertical. That will tend to cut the waves and be very smooth. The disadvantage is that a deadrise is too smooth, it will not rise to get out of the way of the wave. If a big enough wave hits it can swamp the boat, ie go over the top of the bow. The decks also do not look very seaworthy by the bow. Portholes down low and close to the bow, and big windows. Both of those are likely to be underwater in heavy seas.
Just needs a big paddle wheel at the side and reminds of the paddle steamer from River M with a lot of Is, Ps and Ss..lol
I think the hull is what screws it up and other half looks great.
Meh, the boatmaking industry was headed in this direction anyways. What's new and exciting about this?
Uh oh, we're getting closer to "Steve Jobs wants us to believe he invented the boat" comments.
Originally Posted by SolipsismX
Uh oh, we're getting closer to "Steve Jobs wants us to believe he invented the boat" comments.
Xerox invented buoyancy, Steve Jobs invented the boat.
Damn that navigation with the 7 new iMacs looks insane. They seem to be floating.. I wonder how they're mounted? There's glass behind them.
Originally Posted by Slurpy
They seem to be floating..
Only seem to be, huh? Doesn't exactly inspire confidence.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
I really don't see how it differs from many other yachts.
Specifically, interestingly, this'n.
Yes, especially that one (the other yacht he did the styling on.!)
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Sounds like he knows exactly what he's doing, and you don't.
Don't be ridiculous.
Although Hodar clearly knows little about yacht design, Stark knows little more than him. He's a "stylist" on the project, not really the "designer." Stack isn't an architect, much less a marine architect. He simply produces some sketches, then knowledgable marine architects design and engineer the yacht to reflect a practical, working interpretation of whatever Stark's brain farts out! He's an arbiter of taste and trend more than anything. The seaworthyness of the yacht is the responsibility of the architect/builders.
I'm on a boat!
(Warning: Explicit language)
Originally Posted by DESuserIGN
…a marine architect.
George Costanza's dream job!
He simply produces some sketches, then knowledgable marine architects design and engineer the yacht to reflect a practical, working interpretation of whatever Stark's brain farts out!
So you didn't read the quote from the article.
My only quibble: I would have preferred black in place of the Norwegian wood color (although that looks beautiful too),
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Originally Posted by Hodar
Seems like it would be an awful sailing experience. Providing waves a flat surface means that the "Venus" will absorb nearly the complete force of each wave that hits it. The hull shape is a 'wedge' without a place to displace the upward energy of oncoming waves - which means that overall, not only will the crew and guests get to enjoy bouncing up and down, but they will also enjoy the sway of side to side - even in light to moderate seas.
Instead of calling it the "Venus", I think a more appropriate name would be the "Vomit". Conventional hulls are shaped the way they are shaped, for a reason. That reason is not that they are easier to make - but because HUMANS use them; something that SJ apparently completely forgot to consider.
Is there some obsession with tech sites talking about Engineering like they know what they are talking about because they use a computer? It's right up there with the car analogies.
I'm sure the boat designers had never thought about the computational fluid dynamic patterns of force that their geometry will produce and thus this thing will drop like the Titanic on her maiden voyage. Or perhaps if you noted the video you'll see the change in slope on three distinct nonlinear surfaces, never mind the subwater geometry we aren't privy to seeing that will keeping the buoyancy well maintained. You can see the base is wider than the sides front which is butted off slopes away from that buttress to nearly 70% of the boat's length as the body widens out.
More than likely this yacht will feel like you're gliding and carving through the waters with very little sway.
Originally Posted by anantksundaram
It looks gorgeous. As someone pointed out above, take a look at the video -- a lump in the throat is guaranteed.
And you know, that's just a GarageBand loop. The very first chord hit, and I thought to myself, "Aww, a GarageBand loop?"… But it fit. And that was Steve, you know? It's who he was, what he was, and what he made others to be. Now, I'm not saying that Steve Jobs personally listened to every single loop in every single Jam Pack they put out. But I'll bet he listened to the "songs" they included therein (this was one of them), and I'll bet he listened to the music for iMovie Trailers.
Music's big for me, and when I first found GarageBand and Logic, I went through and I listened to every loop. Or near enough. I may have heard most of them just once, but whenever I hear one of those Apple loop show up in a commercial, a video, and—heaven forbid—an actual movie soundtrack, it sort of bugs me. I guess it's just from a 'laziness' perspective, but it's probably more that I can't put into words or don't have concrete in my mind.
But I don't think Steve would be like that. I mean, he picked (or trained people to know how to pick) things that had an emotion behind them. Loops that would either inspire people to create their own music like it or to say, "That's it," and use the loop itself. And this had piano, cello…
Gosh dang it, it's not a standard loop. Must be in a Jam Pack, and I don't have them reinstalled here yet. I was going to comment on its name and see if it was appropriate, too. Well, good a reason as any to finally reinstall them.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
So you didn't read the quote from the article.
Poor assumption. Of course I read it. But I read it with comprehension, which I assume you didn't (although anyone could be forgiven for not reading or understanding the article as it's a nearly incomprehensible mess. It's either terribly written or machine translated from some other language, or both.)
Anyway, the article says nothing about Stark having designed the hull, which he didn't.
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Originally Posted by DESuserIGN
He's a "stylist" on the project, not really the "designer." Stack isn't an architect, much less a marine architect. He simply produces some sketches, then knowledgable marine architects design and engineer the yacht to reflect a practical, working interpretation of whatever Stark's brain farts out! He's an arbiter of taste and trend more than anything. The seaworthyness of the yacht is the responsibility of the architect/builders.
He's not an arbiter of my taste, thank you.