Anyway, the article says nothing about Stark having designed the hull, which he didn't.
Do you know this? And should it be the case, why are you operating under the assumption that the superstructure has nothing whatsoever to do with hydrodynamics?
It looks gorgeous. As someone pointed out above, take a look at the video -- a lump in the throat is guaranteed.
My only quibble: I would have preferred black in place of the Norwegian wood color (although that looks beautiful too),
Having a quibble is better than it giving you Norwegian wood.
And you know, that's just a GarageBand loop. The very first chord hit, and I thought to myself, "Aww, a GarageBand loop?"… But it fit. And that was Steve, you know? It's who he was, what he was, and what he made others to be. Now, I'm not saying that Steve Jobs personally listened to every single loop in every single Jam Pack they put out. But I'll bet he listened to the "songs" they included therein (this was one of them), and I'll bet he listened to the music for iMovie Trailers.
Music's big for me, and when I first found GarageBand and Logic, I went through and I listened to every loop. Or near enough. I may have heard most of them just once, but whenever I hear one of those Apple loop show up in a commercial, a video, and—heaven forbid—an actual movie soundtrack, it sort of bugs me. I guess it's just from a 'laziness' perspective, but it's probably more that I can't put into words or don't have concrete in my mind.
But I don't think Steve would be like that. I mean, he picked (or trained people to know how to pick) things that had an emotion behind them. Loops that would either inspire people to create their own music like it or to say, "That's it," and use the loop itself. And this had piano, cello…
Gosh dang it, it's not a standard loop. Must be in a Jam Pack, and I don't have them reinstalled here yet. I was going to comment on its name and see if it was appropriate, too. Well, good a reason as any to finally reinstall them.
That's interesting. I now see why it sounded familiar!
That said, I always judge music by its context -- how apt it is for the setting, and whether, given that, it moves me. For example, when I used to take my kids to a concert to hear the stuff that resonated for them, I never judged it against John Coltrane or John McLaughlin.
Whether it was 'lazy' is not relevant. Only whether it fits.
More than anything else, this yacht symbolizes a very powerful and motivating philosophy. That one should derive passion and enjoyment out of the journey itself, rather than just at the destination.
Jobs knew that there was a good chance he would never live to see the yacht completed, but still went ahead with the process - and had fun with the process itself.
There are many of us lesser mortals who could probably benefit from this philosophy. Not just in the face of death, but also in the face of failure. There's many times when we stop ourselves from doing something, saying "what's the point". This example and the philosophy would make a great difference if we could imbibe the essence of it.
Do you know this? And should it be the case, why are you operating under the assumption that the superstructure has nothing whatsoever to do with this sort of thing?
If you had even the slightest knowledge of this subject you would not have to ask such obvious questions.
Yes, I do know he didn't design the hull. I also know he didn't design the power plant, drive train, structural elements, sub systems etc. etc. etc. I assure you he did no hydrostatic or hydrodynamic calculations on this yacht. He's had no training in naval engineering or architecture. His original design interest was with inflatable chairs etc. He did a number of small household products and became a "superstar designer" which is to say, he gets to take credit for "designing" things (some of which he actually does "all" of the design on.) He's a product designer who has become a brand.
To say he "designed" this yacht is not quite (but but almost) as silly as saying interior designers "build" houses.
Okay. Do you really know this? And what on the iPhone didn't Jonathan Ive design?
I also know he didn't design the power plant, drive train, structural elements, sub systems etc. etc. etc.
Of course not. But in saying this, you're stating something else: the shape of the vessel isn't the only factor in its ability to weather waves.
I assure you he did no hydrostatic or hydrodynamic calculations on this yacht. He's had no training in naval engineering or architecture. His original design interest was with inflatable chairs etc.
And Jonathan Ive designed toilets. Obviously nothing has changed, and he's still just designing toilets with screens in them.
Come on, really? The article says the shape of the thing is what gives it that property. Are you claiming the article is lying, that the shape has nothing at all to do with the property (which is a separate point), or something else entirely?
"Venus," the Philippe Starck-designed super yacht commissioned by late Apple cofounder Steve Jobs... the wheelhouse uses seven 27-inch iMacs running navigation, systems control and other seafaring software to assist in operating Venus...
Interested to know more about the use of Macs in these applications. Anyone have experience?
Not only do we have a bunch of lawyers on AI commenting on every legal case Apple is involved in, but now we're also blessed with yacht designers who can give us their professional opinion on what's wrong with this yacht.
And the only reason there's something "wrong" with it is because it's associated with Jobs and Apple.
Jonny Ive is a product designer who designs products. He is responsible for the ultimate form of products he designs. He doesn't do the engineering on Apple devices, nor does anyone assume he does. He doesn't claim to have designed everything that comes out of Apple, he takes credit for being the head of design. Although he is approaching superstar designer status, he doesn't slap his own name on anything out of apple, and he doesn't claim credit for designing things he hasn't.
Stark, as is often the case with self promoting artists and designers, has become a brand. He lays claim to have individually designed whole blocks of apartment buildings although he's not an architect. He's claimed to have designed a Ducati motorcycle, although he has little mechanical experience. If you think this is design, great! If you think Stark designed that yacht, great! If you think this is the same thing as Apple saying Jonny Ive is their head designer, then go ahead and believe it!
Just don't be surprised if designers aren't buying it and don't listen to you.
Jonny Ive is a product designer who designs products. He is responsible for the ultimate form of products he designs. He doesn't do the engineering on Apple devices, nor does anyone assume he does. He doesn't claim to have designed everything that comes out of Apple, he takes credit for being the head of design. Although he is approaching superstar designer status, he doesn't slap his own name on anything out of apple, and he doesn't claim credit for designing things he hasn't.
Stark, as is often the case with self promoting artists and designers, has become a brand. He lays claim to have individually designed whole blocks of apartment buildings although he's not an architect. He's claimed to have designed a Ducati motorcycle, although he has little mechanical experience. If you think this is design, great! If you think Stark designed that yacht, great! If you think this is the same thing as Apple saying Jonny Ive is their head designer, then go ahead and believe it!
Just don't be surprised if designers aren't buying it and don't listen to you.
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Originally Posted by DESuserIGN
Anyway, the article says nothing about Stark having designed the hull, which he didn't.
Do you know this? And should it be the case, why are you operating under the assumption that the superstructure has nothing whatsoever to do with hydrodynamics?
Having a quibble is better than it giving you Norwegian wood.
That's interesting. I now see why it sounded familiar!
That said, I always judge music by its context -- how apt it is for the setting, and whether, given that, it moves me. For example, when I used to take my kids to a concert to hear the stuff that resonated for them, I never judged it against John Coltrane or John McLaughlin.
Whether it was 'lazy' is not relevant. Only whether it fits.
Judging by my reaction, it did.
Jobs knew that there was a good chance he would never live to see the yacht completed, but still went ahead with the process - and had fun with the process itself.
There are many of us lesser mortals who could probably benefit from this philosophy. Not just in the face of death, but also in the face of failure. There's many times when we stop ourselves from doing something, saying "what's the point". This example and the philosophy would make a great difference if we could imbibe the essence of it.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Do you know this? And should it be the case, why are you operating under the assumption that the superstructure has nothing whatsoever to do with this sort of thing?
If you had even the slightest knowledge of this subject you would not have to ask such obvious questions.
Yes, I do know he didn't design the hull. I also know he didn't design the power plant, drive train, structural elements, sub systems etc. etc. etc. I assure you he did no hydrostatic or hydrodynamic calculations on this yacht. He's had no training in naval engineering or architecture. His original design interest was with inflatable chairs etc. He did a number of small household products and became a "superstar designer" which is to say, he gets to take credit for "designing" things (some of which he actually does "all" of the design on.) He's a product designer who has become a brand.
To say he "designed" this yacht is not quite (but but almost) as silly as saying interior designers "build" houses.
There's a room on this thing dedicated purely to storing spinning beach-balls.
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Originally Posted by bigpics
He's not an arbiter of my taste, thank you.
Mine either. I meant that "in quotes." ;-)
Originally Posted by DESuserIGN
Yes, I do know he didn't design the hull.
Okay. Do you really know this? And what on the iPhone didn't Jonathan Ive design?
I also know he didn't design the power plant, drive train, structural elements, sub systems etc. etc. etc.
Of course not. But in saying this, you're stating something else: the shape of the vessel isn't the only factor in its ability to weather waves.
I assure you he did no hydrostatic or hydrodynamic calculations on this yacht. He's had no training in naval engineering or architecture. His original design interest was with inflatable chairs etc.
And Jonathan Ive designed toilets. Obviously nothing has changed, and he's still just designing toilets with screens in them.
Come on, really? The article says the shape of the thing is what gives it that property. Are you claiming the article is lying, that the shape has nothing at all to do with the property (which is a separate point), or something else entirely?
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
Having a quibble is better than it giving you Norwegian wood.
Ah, I probably should have said 'maple.'
As far as wood color is concerned, I am more of an oak/cherry/teak kind of guy.
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider
"Venus," the Philippe Starck-designed super yacht commissioned by late Apple cofounder Steve Jobs... the wheelhouse uses seven 27-inch iMacs running navigation, systems control and other seafaring software to assist in operating Venus...
Interested to know more about the use of Macs in these applications. Anyone have experience?
All the best.
Not only do we have a bunch of lawyers on AI commenting on every legal case Apple is involved in, but now we're also blessed with yacht designers who can give us their professional opinion on what's wrong with this yacht.
And the only reason there's something "wrong" with it is because it's associated with Jobs and Apple.
Jonny Ive is a product designer who designs products. He is responsible for the ultimate form of products he designs. He doesn't do the engineering on Apple devices, nor does anyone assume he does. He doesn't claim to have designed everything that comes out of Apple, he takes credit for being the head of design. Although he is approaching superstar designer status, he doesn't slap his own name on anything out of apple, and he doesn't claim credit for designing things he hasn't.
Stark, as is often the case with self promoting artists and designers, has become a brand. He lays claim to have individually designed whole blocks of apartment buildings although he's not an architect. He's claimed to have designed a Ducati motorcycle, although he has little mechanical experience. If you think this is design, great! If you think Stark designed that yacht, great! If you think this is the same thing as Apple saying Jonny Ive is their head designer, then go ahead and believe it!
Just don't be surprised if designers aren't buying it and don't listen to you.
Hotels, restaurants, furniture, ships, cars, motorcycles...... www.starck.com
They couldn't launch the boat until Microsoft finally released Win 8. Those seven iMacs are running Windows 8 under Bootcamp.
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Ha ha, Now Samsung has to get into the boat business or be left in Apple's wake!!
"According to reports, the roughly 80-meter long hull of the ship is made completely of aluminum..."
Gee I wonder if that was one single piece...like a unibody???
Originally Posted by Commodification
Only iPod shuffles for the craftsmen who built that super expensive yacht?
Yeah, they also got paid to do it.
Come the heck on. I was really hoping this nonsense wouldn't spill over from 9to5.
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Originally Posted by Macky the Macky
Ha ha, Now Samsung has to get into the boat business or be left in Apple's wake!!
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Yeah, they also got paid to do it.
Come the heck on. I was really hoping this nonsense wouldn't spill over from 9to5.
I think he may have been joking...
I saw the photo flicking by and before going back to it my head started singing: Frank Lloyd Wright meets the sea.