Abject nonsense. So ten years from now when tablets are the exclusive means of mobile computing and multitouch desktops are the exclusive means of desktop computing, no one will be using anything but "toys" then. Uh huh.
Toys are legally uncool. Apple products are legally cool.
But I'd be happy to have that "fact" rendered invalid.
Some guy gets on a packed transit bus after the SF Giants parade, he's playing solitaire on his iPhone. He is so cool, he couldn't put away his solitaire on a packed bus for just a few minutes. Take away those games, music, movies and you can keep your mobile computing.
Some guy gets on a packed transit bus after the SF Giants parade, he's playing solitaire on his iPhone. He is so cool, he couldn't put away his solitaire on a packed bus for just a few minutes. Take away those games, music, movies and you can keep your mobile computing.
My rebuttal includes hundreds of millions of anecdotes of equal length pertaining to all professions in all businesses where iDevices have either irrevocably changed their workflows for the better or created the businesses themselves.
I'm no analyst (thank god), but I believe that Apple can sell even more than that, as long as they have sufficient stock to meet the demand. The iPad Mini is launching in 34 countries and the pre-orders did sell out fairly quickly.
I can pull random numbers out of my ass just as easily as any analyst can, and I'm going to say that Apple sells 2.3 Million iPad Minis over the launch weekend.
Exactly. I think Apple only released 1.5million to the public because its a new product category.
[" url="/t/153967/apple-expected-to-sell-up-to-1-5m-ipad-minis-over-launch-weekend#post_2225047"]The F and N lines from Queens seem to be running into Manhattan fine.
I think the lines will be very short or non-existent for the mini. I'm not sure why people would want the WiFi only model as the extra $130 seems worth the cost to get GPS and cellular. For me this will be a much more mobil device compared to my iPad 3rd gen which mostly stays at home. I ordered the cellular one which still says mid November in my order detail. I hope it is sooner rather than later as I'm leaving on an extended trip shortly and would rather take that device than my current iPad just for the weight difference.
$130 seems like a lot for GPS/Cell when I will using mostly from my couch. I don't lost there very often.
But is this counting the units they've already pre-sold or is this ADDITIONAL units?
Apple counts ALL units delivered to customers. So, yes, anyone who RECEIVES a pre-ordered unit this weekend will count towards how many were sold over the weekend.
I think the lines will be very short or non-existent for the mini. I'm not sure why people would want the WiFi only model as the extra $130 seems worth the cost to get GPS and cellular. For me this will be a much more mobil device compared to my iPad 3rd gen which mostly stays at home. I ordered the cellular one which still says mid November in my order detail. I hope it is sooner rather than later as I'm leaving on an extended trip shortly and would rather take that device than my current iPad just for the weight difference.
Yes, I would guess that very few would want the WiFi only version...maybe appealing to light users and those that already have a cellular plan to tether to?
That would mean that iPad Mini demand/sales will be MUCH LARGER for the 4G/LTE versions.
...oh, and also, many will want to play around with it at the Apple Store first then decide whether they'll buy the 7.9" or the 9.7".
Yes, I would guess that very few would want the WiFi only version...maybe appealing to light users and those that already have a cellular plan to tether to?
I have never tethered anything. I think you need an additional plan anyway on AT&T to do so, not sure. I do have a question about tethering though. if your iPad is tethered to your iPhone it thinks it is on wifi, right? So is there any chance that it might do some syncing in the background like photo stream, for example, that it normally wouldn't try to do when not connected? Might run up your data charges unexpectedly. I'm not sure how it works exactly.
I think the lines will be very short or non-existent for the mini. I'm not sure why people would want the WiFi only model as the extra $130 seems worth the cost to get GPS and cellular. For me this will be a much more mobil device compared to my iPad 3rd gen which mostly stays at home. I ordered the cellular one which still says mid November in my order detail. I hope it is sooner rather than later as I'm leaving on an extended trip shortly and would rather take that device than my current iPad just for the weight difference.
For me, I would go for WiFi only; I already have an iPhone and an iPad... I just want to help prop the stock price up!!
In all seriousness though, it really just depends on what you want to use it for. It would be a good bedside device and possibly a meeting note-taking device for me. Some people, it would just be to entertain the kids. Others might try and use it as a phone. What is clear for me though is that I don't want another cellular data plan on top of the fairly high (percentage wise) premium for the modem.
People called the iPad a "toy" when it first came out.
Strong sales don't mean they're wrong. The Xbox is a toy and it sells by the bazillions. Even if the iPad is *IS* a "toy," so what? If people like it and buy it and use it, who cares WHAT they call it? Calling it a toy doesn't affect what it can and cannot do any more than calling it a "Post-PC Personal Computing Device."
My rebuttal includes hundreds of millions of anecdotes of equal length pertaining to all professions in all businesses where iDevices have either irrevocably changed their workflows for the better or created the businesses themselves.
Your point, that I'm making things up, is sort of ruined by the number of iDevices purchased for business, commercial, and industrial use. This information is freely available virtually anywhere, so your refusal to pay attention to it isn't anyone else's problem.
BUT ASUS IS SELLING A MILLION NEXUS 7s EACH MO . . .
oh wait . .
But no one actually uses the product since it only has 8G of SSD storage, no camera to take photos/videos. I STILL have yet to see one in someone's hands actually using it in person. In fact, the only tablets I've seen people using are iPads. I see those all of the time. I guess Android tablets users are too scared to bring them out in public places for fear of getting laughed at.
Strong sales don't mean they're wrong. The Xbox is a toy and it sells by the bazillions. Even if the iPad is *IS* a "toy," so what? If people like it and buy it and use it, who cares WHAT they call it? Calling it a toy doesn't affect what it can and cannot do any more than calling it a "Post-PC Personal Computing Device."
Well, many people call Ferraris a toy, and quite frankly, I don't mind certain toys, just as long as the GUI isn't a gaming console GUi unless it's actually a gaming console.
People called the iPad a "toy" when it first came out. What moniker are they going to slap on this one that will make them look foolish in the end?
Before I read your comment I was thinking this release is shaping up to be a lot like the original iPad, except now people are saying that a full sized iPad makes more sense instead of saying a "proper" PC makes more sense.
I have never tethered anything. I think you need an additional plan anyway on AT&T to do so, not sure. I do have a question about tethering though. if your iPad is tethered to your iPhone it thinks it is on wifi, right? So is there any chance that it might do some syncing in the background like photo stream, for example, that it normally wouldn't try to do when not connected? Might run up your data charges unexpectedly. I'm not sure how it works exactly.
Most of the new Data Share plans (like on AT&T and Verizon) include talk, text, data AND tethering. But yes, it'll consume data from your pre-selected data package.
I believe that Verizon still offers free tethering from the iPad even without the Data Share plan...or not...the dang data plans keep changing.
The best way to tether is to jail break your iPhone (that is grandfathered with unlimited Data) and hope that the network doesn't threaten to throttle you...unless you have Sprint, which gives unlimited data.
Regardless, I would think that the vast majority would want the potential to use cellular coverage even if they don't use it very often. I can say that almost all of my friends (all 5 of them), who bought WiFi-only regret not getting the cellular model.
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All of the subway tunnels leading in and out of Manhattan are below 34 St. The only thing that I can think of is the tram from Roosevelt Island.
The F and N lines from Queens seem to be running into Manhattan fine.
You can see on this updated Subway Map.
http://www.mta.info/sites/default/files/pdf/HurricaneRecoveryMapOct312012.pdf
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Abject nonsense. So ten years from now when tablets are the exclusive means of mobile computing and multitouch desktops are the exclusive means of desktop computing, no one will be using anything but "toys" then. Uh huh.
Toys are legally uncool. Apple products are legally cool.
But I'd be happy to have that "fact" rendered invalid.
Some guy gets on a packed transit bus after the SF Giants parade, he's playing solitaire on his iPhone. He is so cool, he couldn't put away his solitaire on a packed bus for just a few minutes. Take away those games, music, movies and you can keep your mobile computing.
Originally Posted by pt123
Some guy gets on a packed transit bus after the SF Giants parade, he's playing solitaire on his iPhone. He is so cool, he couldn't put away his solitaire on a packed bus for just a few minutes. Take away those games, music, movies and you can keep your mobile computing.
My rebuttal includes hundreds of millions of anecdotes of equal length pertaining to all professions in all businesses where iDevices have either irrevocably changed their workflows for the better or created the businesses themselves.
Funny how cherry-picking to ignore doesn't work.
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I'm no analyst (thank god), but I believe that Apple can sell even more than that, as long as they have sufficient stock to meet the demand. The iPad Mini is launching in 34 countries and the pre-orders did sell out fairly quickly.
I can pull random numbers out of my ass just as easily as any analyst can, and I'm going to say that Apple sells 2.3 Million iPad Minis over the launch weekend.
Exactly. I think Apple only released 1.5million to the public because its a new product category.
Gotcha, those probably had minimal flooding.
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I think the lines will be very short or non-existent for the mini. I'm not sure why people would want the WiFi only model as the extra $130 seems worth the cost to get GPS and cellular. For me this will be a much more mobil device compared to my iPad 3rd gen which mostly stays at home. I ordered the cellular one which still says mid November in my order detail. I hope it is sooner rather than later as I'm leaving on an extended trip shortly and would rather take that device than my current iPad just for the weight difference.
$130 seems like a lot for GPS/Cell when I will using mostly from my couch. I don't lost there very often.
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But is this counting the units they've already pre-sold or is this ADDITIONAL units?
Apple counts ALL units delivered to customers. So, yes, anyone who RECEIVES a pre-ordered unit this weekend will count towards how many were sold over the weekend.
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Originally Posted by mstone
I think the lines will be very short or non-existent for the mini. I'm not sure why people would want the WiFi only model as the extra $130 seems worth the cost to get GPS and cellular. For me this will be a much more mobil device compared to my iPad 3rd gen which mostly stays at home. I ordered the cellular one which still says mid November in my order detail. I hope it is sooner rather than later as I'm leaving on an extended trip shortly and would rather take that device than my current iPad just for the weight difference.
Yes, I would guess that very few would want the WiFi only version...maybe appealing to light users and those that already have a cellular plan to tether to?
That would mean that iPad Mini demand/sales will be MUCH LARGER for the 4G/LTE versions.
...oh, and also, many will want to play around with it at the Apple Store first then decide whether they'll buy the 7.9" or the 9.7".
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Yes, I would guess that very few would want the WiFi only version...maybe appealing to light users and those that already have a cellular plan to tether to?
I have never tethered anything. I think you need an additional plan anyway on AT&T to do so, not sure. I do have a question about tethering though. if your iPad is tethered to your iPhone it thinks it is on wifi, right? So is there any chance that it might do some syncing in the background like photo stream, for example, that it normally wouldn't try to do when not connected? Might run up your data charges unexpectedly. I'm not sure how it works exactly.
For me, I would go for WiFi only; I already have an iPhone and an iPad... I just want to help prop the stock price up!!
In all seriousness though, it really just depends on what you want to use it for. It would be a good bedside device and possibly a meeting note-taking device for me. Some people, it would just be to entertain the kids. Others might try and use it as a phone. What is clear for me though is that I don't want another cellular data plan on top of the fairly high (percentage wise) premium for the modem.
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Originally Posted by sflocal
People called the iPad a "toy" when it first came out.
Strong sales don't mean they're wrong. The Xbox is a toy and it sells by the bazillions. Even if the iPad is *IS* a "toy," so what? If people like it and buy it and use it, who cares WHAT they call it? Calling it a toy doesn't affect what it can and cannot do any more than calling it a "Post-PC Personal Computing Device."
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
My rebuttal includes hundreds of millions of anecdotes of equal length pertaining to all professions in all businesses where iDevices have either irrevocably changed their workflows for the better or created the businesses themselves.
Funny how cherry-picking to ignore doesn't work.
Really, hundreds of millions? Or was it billions?
Originally Posted by pt123
Really, hundreds of millions? Or was it billions?
Your point, that I'm making things up, is sort of ruined by the number of iDevices purchased for business, commercial, and industrial use. This information is freely available virtually anywhere, so your refusal to pay attention to it isn't anyone else's problem.
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BUT ASUS IS SELLING A MILLION NEXUS 7s EACH MO . . .
oh wait . .
But no one actually uses the product since it only has 8G of SSD storage, no camera to take photos/videos. I STILL have yet to see one in someone's hands actually using it in person. In fact, the only tablets I've seen people using are iPads. I see those all of the time. I guess Android tablets users are too scared to bring them out in public places for fear of getting laughed at.
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Strong sales don't mean they're wrong. The Xbox is a toy and it sells by the bazillions. Even if the iPad is *IS* a "toy," so what? If people like it and buy it and use it, who cares WHAT they call it? Calling it a toy doesn't affect what it can and cannot do any more than calling it a "Post-PC Personal Computing Device."
Well, many people call Ferraris a toy, and quite frankly, I don't mind certain toys, just as long as the GUI isn't a gaming console GUi unless it's actually a gaming console.
Another words WIndows 8 = X Box.
They've pumped some out, AMTRAK is starting to phase in service:
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-11-01/amtrak-to-resume-limited-service-into-nyc-during-repairs
MTA has a recovery map:
http://www.mta.info/sites/default/files/pdf/SubwayRecoveryMap.pdf
Before I read your comment I was thinking this release is shaping up to be a lot like the original iPad, except now people are saying that a full sized iPad makes more sense instead of saying a "proper" PC makes more sense.
Stupidly,
Steve Ballmher
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Originally Posted by mstone
I have never tethered anything. I think you need an additional plan anyway on AT&T to do so, not sure. I do have a question about tethering though. if your iPad is tethered to your iPhone it thinks it is on wifi, right? So is there any chance that it might do some syncing in the background like photo stream, for example, that it normally wouldn't try to do when not connected? Might run up your data charges unexpectedly. I'm not sure how it works exactly.
Most of the new Data Share plans (like on AT&T and Verizon) include talk, text, data AND tethering. But yes, it'll consume data from your pre-selected data package.
I believe that Verizon still offers free tethering from the iPad even without the Data Share plan...or not...the dang data plans keep changing.
The best way to tether is to jail break your iPhone (that is grandfathered with unlimited Data) and hope that the network doesn't threaten to throttle you...unless you have Sprint, which gives unlimited data.
Regardless, I would think that the vast majority would want the potential to use cellular coverage even if they don't use it very often. I can say that almost all of my friends (all 5 of them), who bought WiFi-only regret not getting the cellular model.