Since Apple sued Samsung and others, its shares have fallen by over $100+, Sales have fallen all over the world and samsung is beating them in sales...
Sales have fallen? Where?! That would be big news if it were true.
Since Apple sued Samsung and others, its shares have fallen by over $100+, Sales have fallen all over the world and samsung is beating them in sales, Apple is also losing cases against everyone in court that sues them... Companies are lining up to sue Apple.
I saw this coming when Apple shares were over $700.
I just hope Apple realize that they need to make more than one phone model/design to beat the market. one cannot rule them all anymore as people want different styles or bigger screens
Since Apple sued Samsung and others, its shares have fallen by over $100+, Sales have fallen all over the world and samsung is beating them in sales, Apple is also losing cases against everyone in court that sues them... Companies are lining up to sue Apple.
I saw this coming when Apple shares were over $700.
I just hope Apple realize that they need to make more than one phone model/design to beat the market. one cannot rule them all anymore as people want different styles or bigger screens
Given your first lead in sentence is an outright lie, I question the validity of he entire rest of he post.
Not sure how great this deal is. On one hand it shows that Apple is willing to license out and cross license patents with other mobile manufacturers, but on the flip side this protects HTC and gives them free reign with Android for the next 10 years which i'm sure is something Steve Jobs would have never done.
If HTC continues on it's current path they might not be around in 10 yrs.
Maybe that's why Apple did the deal. They want HTC to turn around their business and give Samsung for the Android money. If HTC sales climbs again, it will be at Samsung's expense rather than Apple's.
Since Apple sued Samsung and others, its shares have fallen by over $100+, Sales have fallen all over the world and samsung is beating them in sales, Apple is also losing cases against everyone in court that sues them... Companies are lining up to sue Apple.
Apple's shares and sales are both higher since the case started.
Most of the cases against Apple haven't been settled yet. However, I think Apple is losing most of the battles, but may have already won the war:
…thus planting a seed of doubt regarding Samsung's attitude in the mind of any judge.
Except the UK ones, I guess, to which this should have been readily apparent upon the release of their first post-iPhone/Pad products…
TS. Don't let your RDF get in the way of sanity. For one thing, Apple's settlement is just one of a number of ongoing litigations. For another it comes so late that one may easily reach the conclusion that if the court puts enough pressure on the parties then they will settle out-of-court. There is a good deal of evidence that the courts are just getting pissed by apple's self-righteousness and continual gaming of the system. Outside the US that has already swung against apple. (Don't place too much emphasis/credibility on the Duesseldorf court in Germany. It is the equivalent of East Texas).
You might also be wise to bear in mind that even the epochal Billion-Dollar Judgement is years and years away from becoming final. It may well not survive at all, or be substantially reduced. The appeals court (9-th Circuit) has ALREADY called Lucy Koh to order on a couple of points before the appeal has even been considered in full by that court, so it is by no means clear that Apple has good cards at that level. As they say, the show is not over until the fat lady sings.
It seems to have escaped a lot of readers here that while "not as cool" in reference to a Samsung product may be amusing. "Lack of Integrity" in relation to Apple itself is a pretty scathing comment. It does not bode well for Apple in the EU courts. Other Judges will read that judgement. Even US Judges do.
Apple's proven track record of stealing IP from others will not go down well. (Motorola (FRAND Patents), SysnetX, SB (clock)) are just some that come to mind.
My point is, that Apple is amazingly hypocritical in their accusations while not recognizing their own transgressions.
Stereotyping Koreans is SOP in the business community. The conformist nature of the culture and the acceptance of corruption as a natural part of business are not stereotypes, they are established facts about the culture. This is not a new culture or one that will change easily. A business partner of mine who visited Korea, this year, was shown an 800 year old village as part of his visit. The guide pointed out a rope hanging from the door of the largest house in the village. He explained that it was used by the Master of the house to lift himself up so his servants could change his shoes without allowing the Master to accidentally bow to anyone else in the village. Obviously, this culture has changed in 800 years, but it has not lost all of it's authoritarian nature either. It is no small coincidence that North Korea has resisted change even while it's larger neighbor and ally China has changed dramatically. Stereotypes that are negative can indeed make for a weak argument. On the other hand, ignoring know facts about a culture is not a good plan either.
In America, the melting pot has offered many individuals a chance to escape from the limits of their native culture or to merely broaden their knowledge of the world. Not all cultures are this open or unbound by tribalism, the daily struggle merely to survive, and religious doctrine. It is no small coincidence that America continues to lead the world culturally and scientifically because of our open and mixed culture with far less ancient animosity between subcultures. One of the weaknesses of American foreign policy is the assumption of our electorate and leaders that the rest of the world can easily have our cultural flexibility and openness. Iraq, Afghanistan, and Viet Nam are examples of our pride blinding us to this difficult truth.
Galbi's tone of comment does not give any confidence that he has spent any serious time thinking about Korea. He is in my opinion, wrong in spirit, but factually correct.
But the details will be made available to some court at some injunction hearing, offered as proof that Apple can be made whole with money rather than a sales ban on some competitors product. It will also probably be redacted so that the public doesn't know the licensing details.
Maybe that's why Apple did the deal. They want HTC to turn around their business and give Samsung for the Android money. If HTC sales climbs again, it will be at Samsung's expense rather than Apple's.
Now HTC needs to do is release a flagship device on all carriers, the One X would've sold nicely on multiple carriers.
Now HTC needs to do is release a flagship device on all carriers, the One X would've sold nicely on multiple carriers.
The One X that ruled them all.
But seriously, it's about leverage. Apple has it because of the cachet of iPhone. Samsung is gaining more (I could be wrong but it seems they have more freedom in product naming). HTC simply doesn't have it right now. Carriers demand branding of the phones, making it hard for HTC to create a meaningful identity. Some outside-the-box marketing is required.
Maybe that's why Apple did the deal. They want HTC to turn around their business and give Samsung for the Android money. If HTC sales climbs again, it will be at Samsung's expense rather than Apple's.
Wouldn't it get interesting if Google were to buy HTC ? Is that even possible?
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Originally Posted by Markussd
Since Apple sued Samsung and others, its shares have fallen by over $100+, Sales have fallen all over the world and samsung is beating them in sales...
Sales have fallen? Where?! That would be big news if it were true.
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Originally Posted by Markussd
Since Apple sued Samsung and others, its shares have fallen by over $100+, Sales have fallen all over the world and samsung is beating them in sales, Apple is also losing cases against everyone in court that sues them... Companies are lining up to sue Apple.
I saw this coming when Apple shares were over $700.
I just hope Apple realize that they need to make more than one phone model/design to beat the market. one cannot rule them all anymore as people want different styles or bigger screens
Really? This all started with this: http://images.apple.com/pr/pdf/110415samsungcomplaint.pdf on the 15th April 2011.
Share price then: 327.46
Share price now: 547.06
That sure is a drastic fall...isn't it?
Given your first lead in sentence is an outright lie, I question the validity of he entire rest of he post.
Not sure how great this deal is. On one hand it shows that Apple is willing to license out and cross license patents with other mobile manufacturers, but on the flip side this protects HTC and gives them free reign with Android for the next 10 years which i'm sure is something Steve Jobs would have never done.
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Originally Posted by Galbi
HTC settled because they are not making moolahs.
Samsung, on the other hand, will probably go all the way.
Koreans dont like to give in.
By all means, let's stereotype. Always a sure sign of intelligence.
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Originally Posted by dasanman69
If HTC continues on it's current path they might not be around in 10 yrs.
Maybe that's why Apple did the deal. They want HTC to turn around their business and give Samsung for the Android money. If HTC sales climbs again, it will be at Samsung's expense rather than Apple's.
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Originally Posted by Kr00
This is a must read.
And people think that copying Apple is a serious crime ....
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Originally Posted by Markussd
Since Apple sued Samsung and others, its shares have fallen by over $100+, Sales have fallen all over the world and samsung is beating them in sales, Apple is also losing cases against everyone in court that sues them... Companies are lining up to sue Apple.
Apple's shares and sales are both higher since the case started.
Most of the cases against Apple haven't been settled yet. However, I think Apple is losing most of the battles, but may have already won the war:
http://www.fastcodesign.com/1665235/how-samsung-designed-its-new-galaxy-nexus-to-skirt-apples-ip
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Originally Posted by AnalogJack
…thus planting a seed of doubt regarding Samsung's attitude in the mind of any judge.
Except the UK ones, I guess, to which this should have been readily apparent upon the release of their first post-iPhone/Pad products…
TS. Don't let your RDF get in the way of sanity. For one thing, Apple's settlement is just one of a number of ongoing litigations. For another it comes so late that one may easily reach the conclusion that if the court puts enough pressure on the parties then they will settle out-of-court. There is a good deal of evidence that the courts are just getting pissed by apple's self-righteousness and continual gaming of the system. Outside the US that has already swung against apple. (Don't place too much emphasis/credibility on the Duesseldorf court in Germany. It is the equivalent of East Texas).
You might also be wise to bear in mind that even the epochal Billion-Dollar Judgement is years and years away from becoming final. It may well not survive at all, or be substantially reduced. The appeals court (9-th Circuit) has ALREADY called Lucy Koh to order on a couple of points before the appeal has even been considered in full by that court, so it is by no means clear that Apple has good cards at that level. As they say, the show is not over until the fat lady sings.
It seems to have escaped a lot of readers here that while "not as cool" in reference to a Samsung product may be amusing. "Lack of Integrity" in relation to Apple itself is a pretty scathing comment. It does not bode well for Apple in the EU courts. Other Judges will read that judgement. Even US Judges do.
Apple's proven track record of stealing IP from others will not go down well. (Motorola (FRAND Patents), SysnetX, SB (clock)) are just some that come to mind.
My point is, that Apple is amazingly hypocritical in their accusations while not recognizing their own transgressions.
Entertainment value :-)
Originally Posted by Taniwha
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So… more anti-Apple whining and continued lies about things that are quite evidently true.
Keep it up. No, really. ????
Stereotyping Koreans is SOP in the business community. The conformist nature of the culture and the acceptance of corruption as a natural part of business are not stereotypes, they are established facts about the culture. This is not a new culture or one that will change easily. A business partner of mine who visited Korea, this year, was shown an 800 year old village as part of his visit. The guide pointed out a rope hanging from the door of the largest house in the village. He explained that it was used by the Master of the house to lift himself up so his servants could change his shoes without allowing the Master to accidentally bow to anyone else in the village. Obviously, this culture has changed in 800 years, but it has not lost all of it's authoritarian nature either. It is no small coincidence that North Korea has resisted change even while it's larger neighbor and ally China has changed dramatically. Stereotypes that are negative can indeed make for a weak argument. On the other hand, ignoring know facts about a culture is not a good plan either.
In America, the melting pot has offered many individuals a chance to escape from the limits of their native culture or to merely broaden their knowledge of the world. Not all cultures are this open or unbound by tribalism, the daily struggle merely to survive, and religious doctrine. It is no small coincidence that America continues to lead the world culturally and scientifically because of our open and mixed culture with far less ancient animosity between subcultures. One of the weaknesses of American foreign policy is the assumption of our electorate and leaders that the rest of the world can easily have our cultural flexibility and openness. Iraq, Afghanistan, and Viet Nam are examples of our pride blinding us to this difficult truth.
Galbi's tone of comment does not give any confidence that he has spent any serious time thinking about Korea. He is in my opinion, wrong in spirit, but factually correct.
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Originally Posted by ifij775
I wonder if they will announce the details at the next quarterly conference call.
No
But the details will be made available to some court at some injunction hearing, offered as proof that Apple can be made whole with money rather than a sales ban on some competitors product. It will also probably be redacted so that the public
Now HTC needs to do is release a flagship device on all carriers, the One X would've sold nicely on multiple carriers.
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Originally Posted by dasanman69
Now HTC needs to do is release a flagship device on all carriers, the One X would've sold nicely on multiple carriers.
The One X that ruled them all.
But seriously, it's about leverage. Apple has it because of the cachet of iPhone. Samsung is gaining more (I could be wrong but it seems they have more freedom in product naming). HTC simply doesn't have it right now. Carriers demand branding of the phones, making it hard for HTC to create a meaningful identity. Some outside-the-box marketing is required.
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Originally Posted by ankleskater
Maybe that's why Apple did the deal. They want HTC to turn around their business and give Samsung for the Android money. If HTC sales climbs again, it will be at Samsung's expense rather than Apple's.
Wouldn't it get interesting if Google were to buy HTC ? Is that even possible?
Why? Does Google need to spend another $12.5 billion?
You mean the 8X.