Does Apple sue/settle with other companies based on whether they're a threat or not?
They've sued a lot of smaller companies. There was some non-profit company in NY that was sued for trademark reasons. There was NT-K.
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Originally Posted by Hiro
Disney was into CG well before Pixar took over. And it sucked. Bolt turned into a great little movie because in the 9 months after Disney bought Pixar they essentially did a complete rewrite. Bolt had been in production for 3 years prior to that.
Meet the Robinsons was probably their best CG movie prior to that, everything else was very forgettable.
The earliest I can think of would be Beauty and the Beast. I remember they used a small amount of CG animation used for a couple scenes in it. Pixar took a really interesting approach with their software. I always thought it was really cool.
Samsung is not afraid of anything because this is essentially a company backed by the S Korea government. Samsung will never go under. Well, unless the US is willing to go far and stop trading with them anyway.
I used to don't mind/care about Apple - now I openly hate it.
I used to don't mind/care about Samsung - now I openly support it.
I actually feel quite the opposite to you. I refuse to buy anything samsung because of their issues with Apple. There are plenty of adequate choices with products similar to those that Samsung make that you don't cut off your nose to spite your face.
There have been many people who buy products just because they are not Apple products. You are part of a sizable club. As long as what you buy fits your needs, that is what is most important. Occasionally, I would see someone buying a non Apple product that is not in their best interest. That is just being silly.
"The lawsuit alleges infringement of seven patents on the design of OLED panels, driver circuitry and device design, LG Display said Thursday. The company said it would seek damages and a permanent injunction against the sale in South Korea of infringing devices, including Samsung's latest smartphone, the Galaxy S III, as well as the Galaxy Tab 7.7 tablet computer and Galaxy Note hybrid phone-tablet."
Samsung does make quality components but they, along with a whole raft of tech companies, need to respect the importance of good design. Samsung is proud of its technological achievements but dismisses design as 'silly rectangles'. The difference in usability between what Samsung had before and what they have now due to the entire supporting framework of the minimalist design including gestures and UI came largely from Apple.
If you had to take Samsung's place though and you suddenly saw a dominating power emerging in a market you've sat in for 30 years, what would you do? You'd have to copy a lot of what they did to be competitive. Acknowledging that they were the market leader and inspiration by licensing is saying that they've done in 3 years what Samsung couldn't do in 30 years.
I don't think they'll come off worse for fighting it - Android users believe they are on the side of openness and freedom and they are standing behind Samsung in sales. Behind closed doors, the Samsung employees know the truth, Android users know the truth but they will fight to the death to avoid saying it publicly. I don't know why there is such a strong belief that Apple is an arrogant company and why there is such a refusal to acknowledge that they earned their success. When they shipped hardly any computers, consumers hated them for their price tags and yet would respect BMW or Volkswagen for the same thing. For years, there's been a sentiment like that. Perhaps it's because Apple has always stood separate from their competition and done things their own way but that's not something to be hated for.
There's no denying Samsung's tactics have paid off big-time. They own about 50% of the entire Android market now so they have no reason to back down. Whether they will be better off fighting than settling remains to be seen but I actually think riding on this anti-Apple sentiment will unfortunately serve them better. And quicker, easier, more seductive it is.
"The lawsuit alleges infringement of seven patents on the design of OLED panels, driver circuitry and device design, LG Display said Thursday. The company said it would seek damages and a permanent injunction against the sale in South Korea of infringing devices, including Samsung's latest smartphone, the Galaxy S III, as well as the Galaxy Tab 7.7 tablet computer and Galaxy Note hybrid phone-tablet."
I believe this is a counter-suit. LG is under a lot of pressure lately, having fallen behind Samsung in many crucial areas like display, nand, dram manufacturing and mobile biz. Just early this year, LG was also accused of stealing AMOLED manufacturing technologies from Samsung (ie, corporate espionage).
I used to don't mind/care about Apple - now I openly hate it.
I used to don't mind/care about Samsung - now I openly support it.
And you're here... why? I don't see any reason to believe that you're here for anything other than to defend Samsung and maybe causing trouble is a bonus. In short, I don't think your statement is fully true, I think you've been pro-Samsung all along, and anti-Apple once their interests diverged. And you're visiting a pro-Apple site with likely questionable motivations.
Samsung's positioning is nothing more than the typical, stereotypical even, saving face response. I would venture to guess that they'd make comments like this even while negotiating with Apple, as they seek to look like the stronger of the battling partners. It's not much different than what you see with the government of N. Korea making thinly veiled threats while seeking funding for humanitarian aide.
Sure, the California trial was a wake-up call. I just couldn't believe that Samsung was still open to cross-licensing until the very last moment and hoping to come amicable terms with Apple, one of their largest clients.
Nope, unlike Apple, Samsung is not generally known as a vexatious litigant in the industry. Whereas Samsung's survival very much depends on their manufacturing and technology (they couldn't care less about branding, so long as they get paid), Apple is all about their public image (or "saving face" to borrow your language). Apple needs to protect its perception of "innovator" to sell their gears and will continue on with their frivolous lawsuits to maintain that perception despite mounting legal losses all over the world.
This issue will be a test for Tim Cook. Every phone Samsung sells that looks like an iPhone, and due to Android acts sort of like an iPhone, is one less phone Apple sells. Apple as a corporation, has the same goal as any other corporation. They are responsible to their shareholders. While some may say that Apple's stock price was inflated, and had to come down to a reasonable level, others are looking at Apple's stock prices dropping to where they were in June and seeing that Apple can't protect their own products and likely won't be able to protect future products as well if they keep on this path. Their sales are being taken by the very company they depend on for parts.
So while I am furious with Samsung, and have never purchased any of their branded products, I am also disappointed in Apple for not seeing this disaster and avoiding it. Now Tim has to prove himself to investors. Some say he's a supply chain guru. If that's truly the case, this has to have been a punch in the gut for him and a wake up call that he's not adequately protecting Apple and it's products. This isn't just about the thievery that has occurred in the past since the iPhone came out, it's also about being able to protect your products (and future products) in court. Obviously Apple needs to work harder at protecting themselves if most of the world is deciding against them in court. Perhaps significant design and UI changes that Jony Ive brings into the fold will be held in secret until patents can be filed on everything. Apple once again needs to differentiate from the competition significantly, and do a far better job at protecting themselves.
It's up to Tim Cook to resolve this. This is on his shoulders now. How he handles it will define Apple.
The South has enough firepower to defend itself without the assistance of the US. The US has bases on that country only for its own self interest. I was stationed in Korea years back.
If the US was not there, the South would have been overrun long ago; it has no where near enough firepower to defend itself.
herb what are you smoking... Apple is still the #1 smartphone in sales.. it would be higher but has supply issues from Samsung.. wow that's a shocker...
Once Samsung is out of the picture then the supply issues will probably go away in addition you think its odd Samsung cancelled the building of there new facility soon as Apple announced they are dumping Samsung..
Samsung has been stealing technology from Apple for years and for free. Soon as this seperate happens then samsung will go down hard unless they give there phones aware for free or $100... I mean the S3 is already 99-149 some places so..
Uhh, Apple is not the #1 seller of smartphones, nor is the iphone the number 1 selling phone. Never has been, except in the US and on occasion the UK.
Someday Americans may realize that the world doesn't revolve around them.
And yes, the S3 is on sale for $99 to $149 in some places.! This was expected when the Note II was released and the S3 is a 6 month old phone. What's your excuse for the 4S pricing? Oh yeah, a new iphone got released. Duh.
I used to don't mind/care about Apple - now I openly hate it.
I used to don't mind/care about Samsung - now I openly support it.
Well, obviously since you are from South Korea. Samsung is loser company. They've been nailed more than once for price fixing, and now copying.
I notice that Samsung likes to copy other appliance mfg. Well, I for one, won't buy a Samsung branded product.
I like buying computer related products from a company that's a long time computer maker rather than buying computing products from a company that known for making TVs, dishwashers, washer/dryiers, and vacuum cleaners.
I guess i like a company that actually designs and develops their technology, especially the OS. Samsung to me is just another clone maker with just frivolous features that aren't always must have features.
Oh, BTW, it's too bad South Korean companies don't have respect for US based companies, especially since South Korea wouldn't still be South Korea without the US helping them in the ongoing war with North Korea and how the US helped rebuild South Korea after the Korean war. Yeah, REAL classy.
As far as I'm concerned, maybe the US military should step away from helping South Korea and let them get taken over the the North Koreans. See how that would feel.
If the US was not there, the South would have been overrun long ago; it has no where near enough firepower to defend itself.
Incorrect. On so many levels. The North can't feed their own soldiers without assistance from other countries. They only threaten the South with the threat of missile, not troops. Not to mention the largest mine field in the world seperating the North from the South.
Samsung copies a lot on the product side, but they are one of the best regarding panel's R&D and panels production. Apple has incell for now but Samsung could very well come up with panels innovation and cut off Apple from it. There latest research is on flexible panels.
Not really anymore going forward. Sharp has this new IGZO technology which is supposed to be much better. Samsung just had a slight edge, but to many people they actually still prefer some of the panels coming out of Sony, LG, and Panasonic (plasma), than Samsung. Samsung's OLED screens haven't done anything special. OLED was kind of more hype than anything.
I don't go by what a lot of magazine reviews say because a lot of them review products and give favorable reviews to their biggest advertisers. A practice that makes these various technology magazines a little untrustworthy. I talk to industry people that have no bias towards a particular brand when buying certain products, ESPECIALLY TV's and consumer grade home theater products. SInce it's the easiest to manipulate Joe consumer.
This issue will be a test for Tim Cook. Every phone Samsung sells that looks like an iPhone, and due to Android acts sort of like an iPhone, is one less phone Apple sells. Apple as a corporation, has the same goal as any other corporation. They are responsible to their shareholders. While some may say that Apple's stock price was inflated, and had to come down to a reasonable level, others are looking at Apple's stock prices dropping to where they were in June and seeing that Apple can't protect their own products and likely won't be able to protect future products as well if they keep on this path. Their sales are being taken by the very company they depend on for parts.
So while I am furious with Samsung, and have never purchased any of their branded products, I am also disappointed in Apple for not seeing this disaster and avoiding it. Now Tim has to prove himself to investors. Some say he's a supply chain guru. If that's truly the case, this has to have been a punch in the gut for him and a wake up call that he's not adequately protecting Apple and it's products. This isn't just about the thievery that has occurred in the past since the iPhone came out, it's also about being able to protect your products (and future products) in court. Obviously Apple needs to work harder at protecting themselves if most of the world is deciding against them in court. Perhaps significant design and UI changes that Jony Ive brings into the fold will be held in secret until patents can be filed on everything. Apple once again needs to differentiate from the competition significantly, and do a far better job at protecting themselves.
It's up to Tim Cook to resolve this. This is on his shoulders now. How he handles it will define Apple.
You have to understand component mfg. It takes the right chip mfg equipment, etc. to make these chips. did Apple envision their products selling as well as they are 4 or 5 years ago? NO. It literally takes at least 2 years to build these plants and get them operational. It also takes several BILLION dollars. Apple 3 or 4 years ago didn't have the sales to warrant forseeing this. Now they have enough demand to create their own plants. Apple, in hindsight, should have saw this coming, but Apple was trying to be the nice guy in dealing with Samsung, but it's hard to shift gears when it comes to fabricating custom chips. Some just don't have the mfg plants capable of making their chips due to the equipment used. At the time they started their relationship, Samsung was probably the only player in town to do it.
So, don't get too upset with Apple. Now Apple has a LOT more cash to play with and I think they should start their own fab plants in the US and EVENTUALLY have total control over the chip design and mfg.
We only get a superficial perspective on this stuff.
Not really anymore going forward. Sharp has this new IGZO technology which is supposed to be much better. Samsung just had a slight edge, but to many people they actually still prefer some of the panels coming out of Sony, LG, and Panasonic (plasma), than Samsung. Samsung's OLED screens haven't done anything special. OLED was kind of more hype than anything.
I don't go by what a lot of magazine reviews say because a lot of them review products and give favorable reviews to their biggest advertisers. A practice that makes these various technology magazines a little untrustworthy. I talk to industry people that have no bias towards a particular brand when buying certain products, ESPECIALLY TV's and consumer grade home theater products. SInce it's the easiest to manipulate Joe consumer.
Are OLEDs even available to consumers yet? Panasonic has been making great strides with plasma lately, they previewed 8K sets recently.
"The lawsuit alleges infringement of seven patents on the design of OLED panels, driver circuitry and device design, LG Display said Thursday. The company said it would seek damages and a permanent injunction against the sale in South Korea of infringing devices, including Samsung's latest smartphone, the Galaxy S III, as well as the Galaxy Tab 7.7 tablet computer and Galaxy Note hybrid phone-tablet."
Samsung does make quality components but they, along with a whole raft of tech companies, need to respect the importance of good design. Samsung is proud of its technological achievements but dismisses design as 'silly rectangles'. The difference in usability between what Samsung had before and what they have now due to the entire supporting framework of the minimalist design including gestures and UI came largely from Apple.
If you had to take Samsung's place though and you suddenly saw a dominating power emerging in a market you've sat in for 30 years, what would you do? You'd have to copy a lot of what they did to be competitive. Acknowledging that they were the market leader and inspiration by licensing is saying that they've done in 3 years what Samsung couldn't do in 30 years.
I don't think they'll come off worse for fighting it - Android users believe they are on the side of openness and freedom and they are standing behind Samsung in sales. Behind closed doors, the Samsung employees know the truth, Android users know the truth but they will fight to the death to avoid saying it publicly. I don't know why there is such a strong belief that Apple is an arrogant company and why there is such a refusal to acknowledge that they earned their success. When they shipped hardly any computers, consumers hated them for their price tags and yet would respect BMW or Volkswagen for the same thing. For years, there's been a sentiment like that. Perhaps it's because Apple has always stood separate from their competition and done things their own way but that's not something to be hated for.
There's no denying Samsung's tactics have paid off big-time. They own about 50% of the entire Android market now so they have no reason to back down. Whether they will be better off fighting than settling remains to be seen but I actually think riding on this anti-Apple sentiment will unfortunately serve them better. And quicker, easier, more seductive it is.
Samsung's probably the only company actually making a profit from it, but they really aren't making as much for all of the smartphones they make. I think they only retained about $7 or $8 billion a quarter from smartphone sales and for as many as they make, that's not that much. I think Apple still has some technology still yet to come, especially the authentic ID stuff. That will solidify a bunch of corporate/government/military business as far as I can tell.
All in all, Apple has to just stay focused and continue to bring out products that are well built, designed and supported. The media is really over hyping last quarter Android sales over iOS sales due to the pending announcements. That's all. The Apple Stores, as far as i can tell are jammed packed wall to wall people almost every day from the minute they open to the second they close.
Are OLEDs even available to consumers yet? Panasonic has been making great strides with plasma lately, they previewed 8K sets recently.
That's a good question. There were several large-scale OLED sets displayed at a show this summer, I think, but I don't know if they ever shipped. For a long time, it looked as if the technology couldn't scale up in panel size at a realistic price.
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Originally Posted by tooltalk
Furthermore, the North might drop a couple of nuclear bombs in the US coastal regions just for fun.
When they can't even get a rocket more than a mile in the air, I'm pretty sure this won't be happening.
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Originally Posted by Gatorguy
Does Apple sue/settle with other companies based on whether they're a threat or not?
They've sued a lot of smaller companies. There was some non-profit company in NY that was sued for trademark reasons. There was NT-K.
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Originally Posted by Hiro
Disney was into CG well before Pixar took over. And it sucked. Bolt turned into a great little movie because in the 9 months after Disney bought Pixar they essentially did a complete rewrite. Bolt had been in production for 3 years prior to that.
Meet the Robinsons was probably their best CG movie prior to that, everything else was very forgettable.
The earliest I can think of would be Beauty and the Beast. I remember they used a small amount of CG animation used for a couple scenes in it. Pixar took a really interesting approach with their software. I always thought it was really cool.
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Originally Posted by drobforever
Samsung is not afraid of anything because this is essentially a company backed by the S Korea government. Samsung will never go under. Well, unless the US is willing to go far and stop trading with them anyway.
Or pull our troops out.
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Originally Posted by Nathillien
I used to don't mind/care about Apple - now I openly hate it.
I used to don't mind/care about Samsung - now I openly support it.
I actually feel quite the opposite to you. I refuse to buy anything samsung because of their issues with Apple. There are plenty of adequate choices with products similar to those that Samsung make that you don't cut off your nose to spite your face.
There have been many people who buy products just because they are not Apple products. You are part of a sizable club. As long as what you buy fits your needs, that is what is most important. Occasionally, I would see someone buying a non Apple product that is not in their best interest. That is just being silly.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390443507204578021572847519276.html
"The lawsuit alleges infringement of seven patents on the design of OLED panels, driver circuitry and device design, LG Display said Thursday. The company said it would seek damages and a permanent injunction against the sale in South Korea of infringing devices, including Samsung's latest smartphone, the Galaxy S III, as well as the Galaxy Tab 7.7 tablet computer and Galaxy Note hybrid phone-tablet."
Samsung does make quality components but they, along with a whole raft of tech companies, need to respect the importance of good design. Samsung is proud of its technological achievements but dismisses design as 'silly rectangles'. The difference in usability between what Samsung had before and what they have now due to the entire supporting framework of the minimalist design including gestures and UI came largely from Apple.
If you had to take Samsung's place though and you suddenly saw a dominating power emerging in a market you've sat in for 30 years, what would you do? You'd have to copy a lot of what they did to be competitive. Acknowledging that they were the market leader and inspiration by licensing is saying that they've done in 3 years what Samsung couldn't do in 30 years.
I don't think they'll come off worse for fighting it - Android users believe they are on the side of openness and freedom and they are standing behind Samsung in sales. Behind closed doors, the Samsung employees know the truth, Android users know the truth but they will fight to the death to avoid saying it publicly. I don't know why there is such a strong belief that Apple is an arrogant company and why there is such a refusal to acknowledge that they earned their success. When they shipped hardly any computers, consumers hated them for their price tags and yet would respect BMW or Volkswagen for the same thing. For years, there's been a sentiment like that. Perhaps it's because Apple has always stood separate from their competition and done things their own way but that's not something to be hated for.
There's no denying Samsung's tactics have paid off big-time. They own about 50% of the entire Android market now so they have no reason to back down. Whether they will be better off fighting than settling remains to be seen but I actually think riding on this anti-Apple sentiment will unfortunately serve them better. And quicker, easier, more seductive it is.
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Originally Posted by Marvin
LG is getting in on some anti-Samsung action too:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390443507204578021572847519276.html
"The lawsuit alleges infringement of seven patents on the design of OLED panels, driver circuitry and device design, LG Display said Thursday. The company said it would seek damages and a permanent injunction against the sale in South Korea of infringing devices, including Samsung's latest smartphone, the Galaxy S III, as well as the Galaxy Tab 7.7 tablet computer and Galaxy Note hybrid phone-tablet."
I believe this is a counter-suit. LG is under a lot of pressure lately, having fallen behind Samsung in many crucial areas like display, nand, dram manufacturing and mobile biz. Just early this year, LG was also accused of stealing AMOLED manufacturing technologies from Samsung (ie, corporate espionage).
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
When they can't even get a rocket more than a mile in the air, I'm pretty sure this won't be happening.
There is more than one way to transport nuclear bombs. In any case, this simply won't happen.
They did settle with the Swiss railway over a clock design.
Is there a score card somewhere on the various Samsung v. Apple lawsuits? I can't keep track of it anymore.
And you're here... why? I don't see any reason to believe that you're here for anything other than to defend Samsung and maybe causing trouble is a bonus. In short, I don't think your statement is fully true, I think you've been pro-Samsung all along, and anti-Apple once their interests diverged. And you're visiting a pro-Apple site with likely questionable motivations.
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Originally Posted by jmgregory1
Samsung's positioning is nothing more than the typical, stereotypical even, saving face response. I would venture to guess that they'd make comments like this even while negotiating with Apple, as they seek to look like the stronger of the battling partners. It's not much different than what you see with the government of N. Korea making thinly veiled threats while seeking funding for humanitarian aide.
Sure, the California trial was a wake-up call. I just couldn't believe that Samsung was still open to cross-licensing until the very last moment and hoping to come amicable terms with Apple, one of their largest clients.
Nope, unlike Apple, Samsung is not generally known as a vexatious litigant in the industry. Whereas Samsung's survival very much depends on their manufacturing and technology (they couldn't care less about branding, so long as they get paid), Apple is all about their public image (or "saving face" to borrow your language). Apple needs to protect its perception of "innovator" to sell their gears and will continue on with their frivolous lawsuits to maintain that perception despite mounting legal losses all over the world.
(now, time to duck. see you all tomorrow
This issue will be a test for Tim Cook. Every phone Samsung sells that looks like an iPhone, and due to Android acts sort of like an iPhone, is one less phone Apple sells. Apple as a corporation, has the same goal as any other corporation. They are responsible to their shareholders. While some may say that Apple's stock price was inflated, and had to come down to a reasonable level, others are looking at Apple's stock prices dropping to where they were in June and seeing that Apple can't protect their own products and likely won't be able to protect future products as well if they keep on this path. Their sales are being taken by the very company they depend on for parts.
So while I am furious with Samsung, and have never purchased any of their branded products, I am also disappointed in Apple for not seeing this disaster and avoiding it. Now Tim has to prove himself to investors. Some say he's a supply chain guru. If that's truly the case, this has to have been a punch in the gut for him and a wake up call that he's not adequately protecting Apple and it's products. This isn't just about the thievery that has occurred in the past since the iPhone came out, it's also about being able to protect your products (and future products) in court. Obviously Apple needs to work harder at protecting themselves if most of the world is deciding against them in court. Perhaps significant design and UI changes that Jony Ive brings into the fold will be held in secret until patents can be filed on everything. Apple once again needs to differentiate from the competition significantly, and do a far better job at protecting themselves.
It's up to Tim Cook to resolve this. This is on his shoulders now. How he handles it will define Apple.
Because they want your cake and eat it.
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Originally Posted by Galbi
The South has enough firepower to defend itself without the assistance of the US. The US has bases on that country only for its own self interest. I was stationed in Korea years back.
If the US was not there, the South would have been overrun long ago; it has no where near enough firepower to defend itself.
Someday Americans may realize that the world doesn't revolve around them.
And yes, the S3 is on sale for $99 to $149 in some places.! This was expected when the Note II was released and the S3 is a 6 month old phone. What's your excuse for the 4S pricing? Oh yeah, a new iphone got released. Duh.
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Originally Posted by Nathillien
I used to don't mind/care about Apple - now I openly hate it.
I used to don't mind/care about Samsung - now I openly support it.
Well, obviously since you are from South Korea. Samsung is loser company. They've been nailed more than once for price fixing, and now copying.
I notice that Samsung likes to copy other appliance mfg. Well, I for one, won't buy a Samsung branded product.
I like buying computer related products from a company that's a long time computer maker rather than buying computing products from a company that known for making TVs, dishwashers, washer/dryiers, and vacuum cleaners.
I guess i like a company that actually designs and develops their technology, especially the OS. Samsung to me is just another clone maker with just frivolous features that aren't always must have features.
Oh, BTW, it's too bad South Korean companies don't have respect for US based companies, especially since South Korea wouldn't still be South Korea without the US helping them in the ongoing war with North Korea and how the US helped rebuild South Korea after the Korean war. Yeah, REAL classy.
As far as I'm concerned, maybe the US military should step away from helping South Korea and let them get taken over the the North Koreans. See how that would feel.
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Originally Posted by herbapou
Samsung copies a lot on the product side, but they are one of the best regarding panel's R&D and panels production. Apple has incell for now but Samsung could very well come up with panels innovation and cut off Apple from it. There latest research is on flexible panels.
Not really anymore going forward. Sharp has this new IGZO technology which is supposed to be much better. Samsung just had a slight edge, but to many people they actually still prefer some of the panels coming out of Sony, LG, and Panasonic (plasma), than Samsung. Samsung's OLED screens haven't done anything special. OLED was kind of more hype than anything.
I don't go by what a lot of magazine reviews say because a lot of them review products and give favorable reviews to their biggest advertisers. A practice that makes these various technology magazines a little untrustworthy. I talk to industry people that have no bias towards a particular brand when buying certain products, ESPECIALLY TV's and consumer grade home theater products. SInce it's the easiest to manipulate Joe consumer.
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Originally Posted by Brian Green
This issue will be a test for Tim Cook. Every phone Samsung sells that looks like an iPhone, and due to Android acts sort of like an iPhone, is one less phone Apple sells. Apple as a corporation, has the same goal as any other corporation. They are responsible to their shareholders. While some may say that Apple's stock price was inflated, and had to come down to a reasonable level, others are looking at Apple's stock prices dropping to where they were in June and seeing that Apple can't protect their own products and likely won't be able to protect future products as well if they keep on this path. Their sales are being taken by the very company they depend on for parts.
So while I am furious with Samsung, and have never purchased any of their branded products, I am also disappointed in Apple for not seeing this disaster and avoiding it. Now Tim has to prove himself to investors. Some say he's a supply chain guru. If that's truly the case, this has to have been a punch in the gut for him and a wake up call that he's not adequately protecting Apple and it's products. This isn't just about the thievery that has occurred in the past since the iPhone came out, it's also about being able to protect your products (and future products) in court. Obviously Apple needs to work harder at protecting themselves if most of the world is deciding against them in court. Perhaps significant design and UI changes that Jony Ive brings into the fold will be held in secret until patents can be filed on everything. Apple once again needs to differentiate from the competition significantly, and do a far better job at protecting themselves.
It's up to Tim Cook to resolve this. This is on his shoulders now. How he handles it will define Apple.
You have to understand component mfg. It takes the right chip mfg equipment, etc. to make these chips. did Apple envision their products selling as well as they are 4 or 5 years ago? NO. It literally takes at least 2 years to build these plants and get them operational. It also takes several BILLION dollars. Apple 3 or 4 years ago didn't have the sales to warrant forseeing this. Now they have enough demand to create their own plants. Apple, in hindsight, should have saw this coming, but Apple was trying to be the nice guy in dealing with Samsung, but it's hard to shift gears when it comes to fabricating custom chips. Some just don't have the mfg plants capable of making their chips due to the equipment used. At the time they started their relationship, Samsung was probably the only player in town to do it.
So, don't get too upset with Apple. Now Apple has a LOT more cash to play with and I think they should start their own fab plants in the US and EVENTUALLY have total control over the chip design and mfg.
We only get a superficial perspective on this stuff.
Are OLEDs even available to consumers yet? Panasonic has been making great strides with plasma lately, they previewed 8K sets recently.
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Originally Posted by Marvin
LG is getting in on some anti-Samsung action too:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390443507204578021572847519276.html
"The lawsuit alleges infringement of seven patents on the design of OLED panels, driver circuitry and device design, LG Display said Thursday. The company said it would seek damages and a permanent injunction against the sale in South Korea of infringing devices, including Samsung's latest smartphone, the Galaxy S III, as well as the Galaxy Tab 7.7 tablet computer and Galaxy Note hybrid phone-tablet."
Samsung does make quality components but they, along with a whole raft of tech companies, need to respect the importance of good design. Samsung is proud of its technological achievements but dismisses design as 'silly rectangles'. The difference in usability between what Samsung had before and what they have now due to the entire supporting framework of the minimalist design including gestures and UI came largely from Apple.
If you had to take Samsung's place though and you suddenly saw a dominating power emerging in a market you've sat in for 30 years, what would you do? You'd have to copy a lot of what they did to be competitive. Acknowledging that they were the market leader and inspiration by licensing is saying that they've done in 3 years what Samsung couldn't do in 30 years.
I don't think they'll come off worse for fighting it - Android users believe they are on the side of openness and freedom and they are standing behind Samsung in sales. Behind closed doors, the Samsung employees know the truth, Android users know the truth but they will fight to the death to avoid saying it publicly. I don't know why there is such a strong belief that Apple is an arrogant company and why there is such a refusal to acknowledge that they earned their success. When they shipped hardly any computers, consumers hated them for their price tags and yet would respect BMW or Volkswagen for the same thing. For years, there's been a sentiment like that. Perhaps it's because Apple has always stood separate from their competition and done things their own way but that's not something to be hated for.
There's no denying Samsung's tactics have paid off big-time. They own about 50% of the entire Android market now so they have no reason to back down. Whether they will be better off fighting than settling remains to be seen but I actually think riding on this anti-Apple sentiment will unfortunately serve them better. And quicker, easier, more seductive it is.
Samsung's probably the only company actually making a profit from it, but they really aren't making as much for all of the smartphones they make. I think they only retained about $7 or $8 billion a quarter from smartphone sales and for as many as they make, that's not that much. I think Apple still has some technology still yet to come, especially the authentic ID stuff. That will solidify a bunch of corporate/government/military business as far as I can tell.
All in all, Apple has to just stay focused and continue to bring out products that are well built, designed and supported. The media is really over hyping last quarter Android sales over iOS sales due to the pending announcements. That's all. The Apple Stores, as far as i can tell are jammed packed wall to wall people almost every day from the minute they open to the second they close.
Can't wait for the iMacs to start shipping.
That's a good question. There were several large-scale OLED sets displayed at a show this summer, I think, but I don't know if they ever shipped. For a long time, it looked as if the technology couldn't scale up in panel size at a realistic price.