Looks as though the Fusion drive in the 27" has a 7200 RPM HDD component, according to the purchase page. Perhaps Apple will cough up the 27" earlier than expected, as someone on the AI forums suggested; page says "ships in 2-3 weeks".
Not exactly what the rest of the world thinks about their products released lately, but then again, that world might be smaller.
Post, you mean.
In your case, the sooner the better. For us too, actually.
We have a taker! Yes, I meant pre-Steve-Jobs Apple. When things were, not that great for Apple. Apple has made a slight shift back to those days.
Look, I know I will rub people the wrong way but I've always been incendiary on these forums. You know, when debating, you don't take the side of "I think I am on this side somewhat". An alternative viewpoint is important, even if it is highly grating.
I'm just alerting people to the shift in what's happening, and I'm not the only one noticing.
The thing is yes, 2012-2013 will still see some great products, because they are the final products Steve had a close involvement with.
But in terms of staff management, product line management, iOS, launches (paper and real), retail store management... These things have taken a slight detour from the usual spit and polish we have all come to expect from Apple, which used to give us great joy and comfort... But now we know how hard it is to do something so simple and beautiful.
You also gotta be aware that Android is now hitting its stride in the 4" to 7" space, particularly with 4.1 and 4.2. We're seeing smooth performance, decent apps, very interesting gaming opportunities, and much more. This places important constraints on Apple's operations and narrows the margin of error, especially since we might not see any "one more thing" out of Apple besides perhaps the AppleTV... I mean we had iPod, iPhone and iPad in the space of just 10 years. Can Apple do the same in 2012-2022? Maybe, maybe not.
I wonder how much of a deal it is though, maybe the assumption is buyers of the basic model probably aren't going to push the limits of the machine as much.
What is also nice about the 27" model is that if you do get one with 16GB RAM it comes as 2x8GB sticks with 2 slot still free; not 4x4GB sticks.
I suppose, but for the cost of Apple's 16GB memory, which really only adds an additional 8GB on top of the base model, you can buy 32GB outright of a reputable brand of memory supplier.
I suppose, but for the cost of Apple's 16GB memory, which really only adds an additional 8GB on top of the base model, you can buy 32GB outright of a reputable brand of memory supplier.
I have yet to see any RAM that that equal to what Apple uses. The closest I've seen is 4x8GB DDR3 1333MHz PC3 10600 RAM on Newegg for $150. Granted, for that price it's worth the hit in performance but it's still a hit in performance and any issues you may have with the RAM will require you to ship back the RAM at your expense and wait for however long it takes to replace it.
I have yet to see any RAM that that equal to what Apple uses. The closest I've seen is 4x8GB DDR3 1333MHz PC3 10600 RAM on Newegg for $150. Granted, for that price it's worth the hit in performance but it's still a hit in performance and any issues you may have with the RAM will require you to ship back the RAM at your expense and wait for however long it takes to replace it.
Newegg has DDR3 1600MHz memory SODIMMs for about that price.
I don't remember ever getting a bad memory module. They happen, but sticking to a reputable brand is a good start.
Yep. Just about to post that. I made the mistake of only looking under Mac Memory whilst at the Apple Store. Their most expensive is KIngston HyperX for a 16GB (2x8GB) kit. Still half the price that Apple charges for 32GB. It has the lowest latency but I'm not sure what advantage it would have besides that.
As for bad RAM, I've dealt with plenty across many vendors. A vendor can have stricter testing but it's still a mass produced piece. The real benefit with going with Apple is that it's covered by your Mac's warranty and so there is no additional cost, something I've found to be a huge hassle with other vendors where I need to dig up and print/copy receipts, fill out forms after searching for the right ones online, talk to their tech support, mailing back the bad component on my dime, and then waiting for a response.
Segue... speaking of warranties, if you buy Apple's in-ear headphones and have an iDevice (maybe a Mac, too) under warranty they will cover the headphones under that warranty.
Yep. Just about to post that. I made the mistake of only looking under Mac Memory whilst at the Apple Store. Their most expensive is KIngston HyperX for a 16GB (2x8GB) kit. Still half the price that Apple charges for 32GB. It has the lowest latency but I'm not sure what advantage it would have besides that.
As for bad RAM, I've dealt with plenty across many vendors. A vendor can have stricter testing but it's still a mass produced piece. The real benefit with going with Apple is that it's covered by your Mac's warranty and so there is no additional cost, something I've found to be a huge hassle with other vendors where I need to dig up and print/copy receipts, fill out forms after searching for the right ones online, talk to their tech support, mailing back the bad component on my dime, and then waiting for a response.
Segue... speaking of warranties, if you buy Apple's in-ear headphones and have an iDevice (maybe a Mac, too) under warranty they will cover the headphones under that warranty.
Kingston Apple is my first bet for non-Apple RAM. That said, to be safe I would always go with something from an Apple Store. Makes everything easy.
Kingston Apple is my first bet for non-Apple RAM. That said, to be safe I would always go with something from an Apple Store. Makes everything easy.
1) It's double what others are charging but I'll likely go with the Kingston RAM they show. The only reason the reviews aren't at 5 stars was because they removed the heat spreaders that were shown in earlier images.
2) I'll never understand why people will take the price of an upsell from an vendor and then compare it to the absolute lowest price on a site like Newegg. Newegg sells components. Apple sells the installation, adds the warranty, and likely isn't using the lowest grade component manufacturer that a company like Newegg buys components from. I want the 9 CAS Latency and a vendor I have had a good experience with so I will pay the $300 for 4x8GB RAM instead of paying $115 for the 11 CAS Latency from ADATA Premier Series, a vendor I've never heard of. I don't think Apple charging double what Kingston RAM would cost for uninstalled RAM is an unwieldy at all.
Yep. Just about to post that. I made the mistake of only looking under Mac Memory whilst at the Apple Store. Their most expensive is KIngston HyperX for a 16GB (2x8GB) kit. Still half the price that Apple charges for 32GB. It has the lowest latency but I'm not sure what advantage it would have besides that.
As for bad RAM, I've dealt with plenty across many vendors. A vendor can have stricter testing but it's still a mass produced piece. The real benefit with going with Apple is that it's covered by your Mac's warranty and so there is no additional cost, something I've found to be a huge hassle with other vendors where I need to dig up and print/copy receipts, fill out forms after searching for the right ones online, talk to their tech support, mailing back the bad component on my dime, and then waiting for a response.
Segue... speaking of warranties, if you buy Apple's in-ear headphones and have an iDevice (maybe a Mac, too) under warranty they will cover the headphones under that warranty.
OK. The only warranty replacements I've needed on add-on computer parts are hard drives, and they just went based on the manufacture date, they were replaced without hassle. I did have to bring in a Mac Pro to the Apple Store so they'd replace their graphics card, I was without the computer for about a week.
Have you had any experience with OWC (MacSales)? They don't offer a kit for the new iMacs yet, but I understand their service is very good. I think I bought my last three upgrade kits from them.
1) It's double what others are charging but I'll likely go with the Kingston RAM they show. The only reason the reviews aren't at 5 stars was because they removed the heat spreaders that were shown in earlier images.
2) I'll never understand why people will take the price of an upsell from an vendor and then compare it to the absolute lowest price on a site like Newegg. Newegg sells components. Apple sells the installation, adds the warranty, and likely isn't using the lowest grade component manufacturer that a company like Newegg buys components from. I want the 9 CAS Latency and a vendor I have had a good experience with so I will pay the $300 for 4x8GB RAM instead of paying $115 for the 11 CAS Latency from ADATA Premier Series, a vendor I've never heard of. I don't think Apple charging double what Kingston RAM would cost for uninstalled RAM is an unwieldy at all.
Have you had any experience with OWC (MacSales)? They don't offer a kit for the new iMacs yet, but I understand their service is very good. I think I bought my last three upgrade kits from them.
Not for awhile. I've been using Newegg for most of my 3rd-party components.
I thought I saw 3 RAM kits on OWC for the new iMacs, but all with CAS 11.
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Not exactly what the rest of the world thinks about their products released lately, but then again, that world might be smaller.
Post, you mean.
In your case, the sooner the better. For us too, actually.
We have a taker! Yes, I meant pre-Steve-Jobs Apple. When things were, not that great for Apple. Apple has made a slight shift back to those days.
Look, I know I will rub people the wrong way but I've always been incendiary on these forums. You know, when debating, you don't take the side of "I think I am on this side somewhat". An alternative viewpoint is important, even if it is highly grating.
I'm just alerting people to the shift in what's happening, and I'm not the only one noticing.
The thing is yes, 2012-2013 will still see some great products, because they are the final products Steve had a close involvement with.
But in terms of staff management, product line management, iOS, launches (paper and real), retail store management... These things have taken a slight detour from the usual spit and polish we have all come to expect from Apple, which used to give us great joy and comfort... But now we know how hard it is to do something so simple and beautiful.
You also gotta be aware that Android is now hitting its stride in the 4" to 7" space, particularly with 4.1 and 4.2. We're seeing smooth performance, decent apps, very interesting gaming opportunities, and much more. This places important constraints on Apple's operations and narrows the margin of error, especially since we might not see any "one more thing" out of Apple besides perhaps the AppleTV... I mean we had iPod, iPhone and iPad in the space of just 10 years. Can Apple do the same in 2012-2022? Maybe, maybe not.
Originally Posted by PhilBoogie
Post, you mean.
Since Steve came back, I guess he really means twixt.
Young Steve
Twixt Steve
Old Steve
Post Steve
Past Steve
We're not to the 5th stage yet, but it's very valid.
Yeah, that's a bit much, especially given how it's impractical to upgrade these machines. (edit: 21" models)
The 27" iMac looks to be easy to add more RAM.
Yeah, I meant the 21" model.
I wonder how much of a deal it is though, maybe the assumption is buyers of the basic model probably aren't going to push the limits of the machine as much.
What is also nice about the 27" model is that if you do get one with 16GB RAM it comes as 2x8GB sticks with 2 slot still free; not 4x4GB sticks.
I suppose, but for the cost of Apple's 16GB memory, which really only adds an additional 8GB on top of the base model, you can buy 32GB outright of a reputable brand of memory supplier.
I have yet to see any RAM that that equal to what Apple uses. The closest I've seen is 4x8GB DDR3 1333MHz PC3 10600 RAM on Newegg for $150. Granted, for that price it's worth the hit in performance but it's still a hit in performance and any issues you may have with the RAM will require you to ship back the RAM at your expense and wait for however long it takes to replace it.
Newegg has DDR3 1600MHz memory SODIMMs for about that price.
I don't remember ever getting a bad memory module. They happen, but sticking to a reputable brand is a good start.
There's several brands here, pick a reputable one, get four modules, and you're probably set:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007609 600006178 600000410 600213066&IsNodeId=1&name=8GB
Yep. Just about to post that. I made the mistake of only looking under Mac Memory whilst at the Apple Store. Their most expensive is KIngston HyperX for a 16GB (2x8GB) kit. Still half the price that Apple charges for 32GB. It has the lowest latency but I'm not sure what advantage it would have besides that.
As for bad RAM, I've dealt with plenty across many vendors. A vendor can have stricter testing but it's still a mass produced piece. The real benefit with going with Apple is that it's covered by your Mac's warranty and so there is no additional cost, something I've found to be a huge hassle with other vendors where I need to dig up and print/copy receipts, fill out forms after searching for the right ones online, talk to their tech support, mailing back the bad component on my dime, and then waiting for a response.
Segue... speaking of warranties, if you buy Apple's in-ear headphones and have an iDevice (maybe a Mac, too) under warranty they will cover the headphones under that warranty.
Kingston Apple is my first bet for non-Apple RAM. That said, to be safe I would always go with something from an Apple Store. Makes everything easy.
1) It's double what others are charging but I'll likely go with the Kingston RAM they show. The only reason the reviews aren't at 5 stars was because they removed the heat spreaders that were shown in earlier images.
2) I'll never understand why people will take the price of an upsell from an vendor and then compare it to the absolute lowest price on a site like Newegg. Newegg sells components. Apple sells the installation, adds the warranty, and likely isn't using the lowest grade component manufacturer that a company like Newegg buys components from. I want the 9 CAS Latency and a vendor I have had a good experience with so I will pay the $300 for 4x8GB RAM instead of paying $115 for the 11 CAS Latency from ADATA Premier Series, a vendor I've never heard of. I don't think Apple charging double what Kingston RAM would cost for uninstalled RAM is an unwieldy at all.
I'll see if they mention anywhere if the adhesive is still good or if the tape needs to be replaced.
http://blog.macsales.com/15932-what-does-it-take-to-upgrade-a-2012-imac-21-5
OK. The only warranty replacements I've needed on add-on computer parts are hard drives, and they just went based on the manufacture date, they were replaced without hassle. I did have to bring in a Mac Pro to the Apple Store so they'd replace their graphics card, I was without the computer for about a week.
Have you had any experience with OWC (MacSales)? They don't offer a kit for the new iMacs yet, but I understand their service is very good. I think I bought my last three upgrade kits from them.
Agreed.
Not for awhile. I've been using Newegg for most of my 3rd-party components.
I thought I saw 3 RAM kits on OWC for the new iMacs, but all with CAS 11.
Yeah, I saw that. That was disappointing.