They just cant develop successful new brands. So MS keeps falling back on Windows. I am suprise it wasn't WinPod music player, WinBox gaming console, Winmail, Winsearch. Even as a Mac fan, i am sometimes mad and disappointed that they are failing so bad.
That is because Microsoft only knows how to produce what they want you to have and what they think you need while Apple produces what consumers want (exceptions excluded).
I think it's because Ballmer is not the right person to lead Microsoft.
So people are going to try install and run a Windows app that's not available through the Windows store? Is that what you're saying people are going to try and do?
Do people really want to install OS X apps on their iPads? No?
Then why do people not seem to comprehend the reasoning behind RT? Its a tablet OS that shares certain usability features with Windows 8.
You need to understand that the average Windows customer is not the brightest bulb in the room...
MS could and should unify its ARM tablet, phone, and XBox OS all with the same consistent "Modern" UI. and totally leave out the legacy Windows UI crap they don't really use much anyway. that would be a well-defined ecosystem that would all reinforce each other and carve out some meaningful share of the overall markets.
The problem is that in order to sell any of these abortions they needed the lure of Office... and they borked the RT version of that so badly that they had to include the "legacy desktop mode" JUST to get office running on it. Originally RT wasn't meant to have desktop mode at all - in the end they were forced to include it just to support Office - no other apps will be able to use it as windows store apps are forced to use the ifkam (interface formally known as metro - I hate the phrase "modern ui").
The fact that Microsoft can't even get their own flagship office suite running in ifkam doesn't bode well for anyone else...
Does Rovio have to develop Angry Birds twice; for the RT and the 8 Surface?
It may not SOUND that much different than having to do it for iOS, then OS X, but it is.
If your game makes $ on iOS, it can pay for the follow-on OS X development if necessary.
Plus by now your people are iOS experts.
Here, Rovio must say, "Does it have a prayer of selling on either one?"
It seems bad for developers.
I have released several apps for Windows 8/RT now. It takes no extra work to develop for both. All you do is write the app once and for the target CPU just select all then build and it creates an app package that will work on Windows RT and Windows 8 32bit and 64bit.
Also say what you want about the platform but the development tools are excellent.
Originally RT wasn't meant to have desktop mode at all - in the end they were forced to include it just to support Office - no other apps will be able to use it as windows store apps are forced to use the ifkam (interface formally known as metro - I hate the phrase "modern ui").
The fact that Microsoft can't even get their own flagship office suite running in ifkam doesn't bode well for anyone else...
That's the fiefdom at work. The Office team has traditionally steered Windows UI; Windows Explorer does have a ribbon now...
qualar
I have released several apps for Windows 8/RT now. It takes no extra work to develop for both. All you do is write the app once and for the target CPU just select all then build and it creates an app package that will work on Windows RT and Windows 8 32bit and 64bit.
Also say what you want about the platform but the development tools are excellent.
That's fine for developers. Are users still required to choose which binary to download? As in:
32 bit for Windows XP SP3
32 bit for Windows Vista SP1, Windows 7
64 bit for Windows XP SP3
64 bit for Windows Vista SP1, Windows 7
32 bit for .NET Framework
etc, add on for Windows RT / Windows 8 / 32 / 64.
The goal should be to make that invisible to users. Mac OS X apps have been universal binary since 2005, containing up to four architectures in a single package (32/64 PPC/x86), silently executing the appropriate one. iOS is the same with iPad/iPhone binaries, for the most part; There are still a handful of games that use the old 'App' vs 'App HD' model.
I don't understand how anyone could be confused, the pattern is obvious. Much more logical than the whole sequential numbering system Apple uses for Mac OS X.
I have released several apps for Windows 8/RT now. It takes no extra work to develop for both. All you do is write the app once and for the target CPU just select all then build and it creates an app package that will work on Windows RT and Windows 8 32bit and 64bit.
[...]
And how's that Windows Phone 7 + Windows Phone 8 + Surface with RT + Surface with Windows 8 Pro write-once thing going?
Yeah, thought so. Sucks, doesn't it?
It's easy to build universal apps for iPhone + iPod touch + iPad + iPad mini. For iOS 5 and 6.
You should try it some time. Save you a lot of hassle. And there's a vastly bigger user base.
The general public usually refers to Microsoft's next console as "XBox 720," but one wonders what odd naming convention it will actually bring to the table next year. XBox RT?
My money is on a focus group being paid an exorbitant sum to find a word representing today's modern hardcore casual youthful mature gamer, and tack it onto the brand name. Add a dash of riding Apple's recent branding coattails, and you have the "XBox Storm."
Then we add various configurations, each with their own variation:
"XBox Storm with Eye Of The Storm Kinect v2.0"
"XBox Hurricane Storm 4K," supporting the next generation of HDTVs.
"XBox Sprinkle" is the 360 Arcade model's successor, equally crippled with 4GB of storage.
Finally, "XBox Tornado," the smaller hardware variant that comes two years later, once they work all the bugs out.
SockRolid
And don't forget Windows NT, 98SE, 2000, and ME.
Well, I had managed to forget Windows ME until now. Thanks a lot, you ruined m'day.
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They just cant develop successful new brands. So MS keeps falling back on Windows. I am suprise it wasn't WinPod music player, WinBox gaming console, Winmail, Winsearch. Even as a Mac fan, i am sometimes mad and disappointed that they are failing so bad.
Losers
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Originally Posted by umrk_lab
Very good point. But MicroSoft Motto is "Win-Dows-Eve-Ry-Where". Repeat after me ".....
... "Stupid is as stupid does."
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Originally Posted by icoco3
That is because Microsoft only knows how to produce what they want you to have and what they think you need while Apple produces what consumers want (exceptions excluded).
I think it's because Ballmer is not the right person to lead Microsoft.
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Originally Posted by rhyde
I'm wondering why this is any different from Windows CE?
With Windows CE, Microsoft actually looked viable. Now they look like clowns.
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Originally Posted by island hermit
I think it's because Ballmer is not the right person to lead Microsoft.
May Uncle Fester remain at the helm for a long long time...
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Originally Posted by Xplatformer
So people are going to try install and run a Windows app that's not available through the Windows store? Is that what you're saying people are going to try and do?
Do people really want to install OS X apps on their iPads? No?
Then why do people not seem to comprehend the reasoning behind RT? Its a tablet OS that shares certain usability features with Windows 8.
You need to understand that the average Windows customer is not the brightest bulb in the room...
Originally Posted by FreeRange
Windows RT =
Reaching, Tragically.
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Originally Posted by Alfiejr
MS could and should unify its ARM tablet, phone, and XBox OS all with the same consistent "Modern" UI. and totally leave out the legacy Windows UI crap they don't really use much anyway. that would be a well-defined ecosystem that would all reinforce each other and carve out some meaningful share of the overall markets.
The problem is that in order to sell any of these abortions they needed the lure of Office... and they borked the RT version of that so badly that they had to include the "legacy desktop mode" JUST to get office running on it. Originally RT wasn't meant to have desktop mode at all - in the end they were forced to include it just to support Office - no other apps will be able to use it as windows store apps are forced to use the ifkam (interface formally known as metro - I hate the phrase "modern ui").
The fact that Microsoft can't even get their own flagship office suite running in ifkam doesn't bode well for anyone else...
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Originally Posted by aelegg
Does Rovio have to develop Angry Birds twice; for the RT and the 8 Surface?
It may not SOUND that much different than having to do it for iOS, then OS X, but it is.
If your game makes $ on iOS, it can pay for the follow-on OS X development if necessary.
Plus by now your people are iOS experts.
Here, Rovio must say, "Does it have a prayer of selling on either one?"
It seems bad for developers.
I have released several apps for Windows 8/RT now. It takes no extra work to develop for both. All you do is write the app once and for the target CPU just select all then build and it creates an app package that will work on Windows RT and Windows 8 32bit and 64bit.
Also say what you want about the platform but the development tools are excellent.
DaveMcM76
Originally RT wasn't meant to have desktop mode at all - in the end they were forced to include it just to support Office - no other apps will be able to use it as windows store apps are forced to use the ifkam (interface formally known as metro - I hate the phrase "modern ui").
The fact that Microsoft can't even get their own flagship office suite running in ifkam doesn't bode well for anyone else...
That's the fiefdom at work. The Office team has traditionally steered Windows UI; Windows Explorer does have a ribbon now...
qualar
I have released several apps for Windows 8/RT now. It takes no extra work to develop for both. All you do is write the app once and for the target CPU just select all then build and it creates an app package that will work on Windows RT and Windows 8 32bit and 64bit.
Also say what you want about the platform but the development tools are excellent.
That's fine for developers. Are users still required to choose which binary to download? As in:
32 bit for Windows XP SP3
32 bit for Windows Vista SP1, Windows 7
64 bit for Windows XP SP3
64 bit for Windows Vista SP1, Windows 7
32 bit for .NET Framework
etc, add on for Windows RT / Windows 8 / 32 / 64.
The goal should be to make that invisible to users. Mac OS X apps have been universal binary since 2005, containing up to four architectures in a single package (32/64 PPC/x86), silently executing the appropriate one. iOS is the same with iPad/iPhone binaries, for the most part; There are still a handful of games that use the old 'App' vs 'App HD' model.
I don't understand how anyone could be confused, the pattern is obvious. Much more logical than the whole sequential numbering system Apple uses for Mac OS X.
Originally Posted by Creek0512
Windows 95, 98, XP, Vista, 7, 8 (and RT, too!)
It's more of a cheesy 1980s cartoon sidekick than a real operating system.
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Windows 95, 98, XP, Vista, 7, RT
I don't understand how anyone could be confused, the pattern is obvious. ...
LOL. And don't forget Windows NT, 98SE, 2000, and ME.
Must be a method in the madness. Somewhere.
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Originally Posted by qualar
I have released several apps for Windows 8/RT now. It takes no extra work to develop for both. All you do is write the app once and for the target CPU just select all then build and it creates an app package that will work on Windows RT and Windows 8 32bit and 64bit.
[...]
And how's that Windows Phone 7 + Windows Phone 8 + Surface with RT + Surface with Windows 8 Pro write-once thing going?
Yeah, thought so. Sucks, doesn't it?
It's easy to build universal apps for iPhone + iPod touch + iPad + iPad mini. For iOS 5 and 6.
You should try it some time. Save you a lot of hassle. And there's a vastly bigger user base.
The general public usually refers to Microsoft's next console as "XBox 720," but one wonders what odd naming convention it will actually bring to the table next year. XBox RT?
My money is on a focus group being paid an exorbitant sum to find a word representing today's modern hardcore casual youthful mature gamer, and tack it onto the brand name. Add a dash of riding Apple's recent branding coattails, and you have the "XBox Storm."
Then we add various configurations, each with their own variation:
"XBox Storm with Eye Of The Storm Kinect v2.0"
"XBox Hurricane Storm 4K," supporting the next generation of HDTVs.
"XBox Sprinkle" is the 360 Arcade model's successor, equally crippled with 4GB of storage.
Finally, "XBox Tornado," the smaller hardware variant that comes two years later, once they work all the bugs out.
SockRolid
And don't forget Windows NT, 98SE, 2000, and ME.
Well, I had managed to forget Windows ME until now. Thanks a lot, you ruined m'day.
Originally Posted by Vorsos
Finally, "XBox Tornado," the smaller hardware variant that comes two years later, once they work all the bugs out.
And which still red rings.
What a wonderful naming scheme you've created: it's probably the most accurate of any before.
"Xbox Storm wreaks havoc on Microsoft's servers." "Xbox Tornado is a devastating failure." "Xbox Hurricane floods call center with problems."