So you bought something from Apple for convenience and reliability of the service agreement...
That's not what I said. I said I bought from Apple for the convenience and so that they couldn't use a tired old excuse for avoiding tech support issues. In the past they have refused to help because one of the devices involved in the process wasn't theirs. I paid extra to close that loophole. I *DO* believe that it was overpriced, but don't believe I had a choice. Well, okay, I had a choice between paying an exorbitant price for an optical drive or giving up any hope of support for optical read/write issues.
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
[...] It's not likely you needed that ODD as soon as you got your Mac.
Wrong again. That particular machine was purchased for the sole purpose of ingesting from and spitting out to optical media. That's all it does. I would have VERY much preferred a machine with a built-in ODD just for convenience, but since Apple no longer offered them in the Mini I couldn't. Since the primary function of the machine is optical disc input/output, I sure as hell wasn't going to let Apple refuse to honor the AppleCare agreement just because the optical drive came from a third party.
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
Let me quote someone here. "...take the comment in CONTEXT, as opposed to tearing down any statement into tiny little bite-size pieces that obviously don't hold up in isolation..."
I did. His implication, taken in context, was NOT what you said, nor was there anything in the context of the thread to imply that he meant what you think it should mean.
Perhaps you should click the button that will prevent my posts from showing up in your feed...
Great idea! Next .. put what on the thumb drive? lol Anyone that technologically backward has to running XP! So how do I explain they watch the content of said thumb drive on their 60" TV in HD?
I have decided to take my iPad and an Apple TV and an AE plus an HDMI cable to their house and show them the 21st Century and see what happens
Awesome! Technology marches on:
2005 : $69 DVD player + $0.50 burned CD with jpegs on it played pictures on everyone's TVs
2013 : $500 tablet, $99 Apple TV, $99 Airport Extreme = plays pictures on TV
Why didn't you just burn an ISO 9660 CD/DVD with jpegs in a folder. Most any dvd player would/could play a slideshow of the files.
I've got a hand gesture for these "innovators" that want to make computing as foolish as sic-fi movies.
Were I a gesture interface creator, I'd build that directly into control of the OS so that whenever the user did it, the application currently in focus would restart.
Performance wise I agree. I, however, think Apple made a few questionable design decisions here. Unlike a notebook, tablet, or phone, a desktop doesn't benefit from being horribly thin. The last iMac design was fine. There has been some stories popping up how this new Mac doesn't allow for some things like being wall mounted, which was possible with previous models.
You want to hang your iMac on the wall? Really? It's work of art for sure, but I can't really see a reason to hang it on the wall. It looks prettier standing on a desk or table. Even the old version - the ports were on the back, including the power chord.
A desktop benefits from being thin because it makes it more beautiful and everything benefits from being more beautiful. I can't really see where they can go from here. (I am actually beginning to think we are moving towards an iMac that can be pivoted down to horizontal position with a touch screen. - Yes, TS, I'm beginning to lean your way - If that is where the iMac is going then thin is definitely better)
IMO, there are some real possibilities for a larger tablet / desktop hybrid...
At today's state of the art, I don't think that "mobile" is the correct way to go -- though thin and light are moves in the right direction... More like "semi-stationary" than "mobile", for now".
Except that it can't lie flat because it's a bowl. That's why some argue that a better design might be to make a machine that's a consistent depth all the way across rather than thin at the edges and fat in the middle. This would then have the spin-off benefit of creating an edge space for ports on the side where they're easier to get at rather than on the back where they're less visible but also less accessible, and would actually impede laying it flat.
Of course, since the current version is NOT a touch-capable device all of that is irrelevant at the moment. Perhaps if/when they are, the design will change.
The lie-flat case is in the future, as well as the hang-on-the-wall case. It's just that we can see the trend now, where we couldn't with the previous inch-thick iMacs. The bulge may disappear when the HDD goes away.
paxman's point about perception is the key, and perception of mass is all about the view from the side.
The slots on the side for cards and discs are gone for good. Less is better, I guess.
I've got a hand gesture for these "innovators" that want to make computing as foolish as sic-fi movies.
Were I a gesture interface creator, I'd build that directly into control of the OS so that whenever the user did it, the application currently in focus would restart.
Seems like the most appropriate use therefor.
Ha!
Last night we had a nice rack of lamb dinner to celebrate the return of my 16-year-old granddaughter from a church retreat.
My youngest grandson asked why the lamb "chops" had a "handle" of exposed bone and no meat -- kind of like a lollipop.
I explained that the thin layer of meat and fat was cut/scraped away from that portion of the bone because the meat was very thin there -- and would only burn, anyway...
I mentioned that the technique was called "Frenching"...
My granddaughter jumped in and said "I thought Frenching was:" and made a series of gestures with her face, lips, tongue and mouth -- that resembled someone French-Kissing the air...
Everyone at the table lost it.... One of the funniest things I've ever seen!
I decided not to mention the "pants/panties" they sometimes put on rack of lamb.
IMO, there are some real possibilities for a larger tablet / desktop hybrid...
At today's state of the art, I don't think that "mobile" is the correct way to go -- though thin and light are moves in the right direction... More like "semi-stationary" than "mobile", for now".
Wow! That's pretty impressive. I am not sure about such a large screen being used like that. It is just looks too heavy and clunky. Also it would need to be very strong to withstand being stepped on and being spilled coffee on. The moment in the video that seeds doubt is when you see the woman carry the thing. Having said that it offers a real glimpse into a possible future. I think a large (27") kneelable all in one touch device can be a usefull both at home and professionally. A 'splitable' tablet/laptop also. But the Lenovo tries to do everything, too early for commercial success. But it is not a commercial product, right? It's exciting.
Then you have the aesthetics of the device. This is a beautiful machine. I could buy the old style 27" iMac to save money right now but I want this new one. I think my decision has a lot to do with it's look (and because I couldn't find a 2011 iMac with the SSD+HDD on Apple's refurb site.)
Did you already order your 27"? I know you were wanting to take the plunge and get a desktop rig. If not, what are you waiting for?
IMO, there are some real possibilities for a larger tablet / desktop hybrid...
At today's state of the art, I don't think that "mobile" is the correct way to go -- though thin and light are moves in the right direction... More like "semi-stationary" than "mobile", for now".
Wow! That's pretty impressive. I am not sure about such a large screen being used like that. It is just looks too heavy and clunky. Also it would need to be very strong to withstand being stepped on and being spilled coffee on. The moment in the video that seeds doubt is when you see the woman carry the thing. Having said that it offers a real glimpse into a possible future. I think a large (27") kneelable all in one touch device can be a usefull both at home and professionally. A 'splitable' tablet/laptop also. But the Lenovo tries to do everything, too early for commercial success. But it is not a commercial product, right? It's exciting.
According to the article link, it is a commercial product:
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We've been anticipating the dawn of the tabletop PC since 2008, when Microsoft unveiled a 30-inch machine called the Surface -- not to be confused with the recently released Surface tablet. Like the Horizon, it featured an interface straight out of Minority Report and made us wonder just what we could do with a giant horizontal screen. But since each Microsoft Surface machine cost tens of thousands of dollars, not many people were able to take them home and experiment. Features aside, the Horizon stands out for its relatively reasonable price starting at $1,699, the price of about three iPads.
Waiting for a new Mac Pro myself with high powered GPU. Anorexic and unupgradeable is not for me. A heat gun to get inside? Give me a break. Is this the new direction at Apple. (User since the Apple II).
WICKED cool! I'm impressed by both the UI design and the ability to integrate physical objects.
Now, gimme that with Mac OSX and an app for controlling Pro Tools and I will sell my car to have it! That's just about the perfect size for a console-equivalent controller.
There is a reason why one of these are doing very well in the market and the other isn't. Can you spot the difference?
To be fair I think they used 10' cords on everything they hooked up to that Dell. Also I believe that picture was taken in 2006, it's safe to say most of that stuff is wireless these days.
The issue I have with the new iMacs is the screen. I would say the yellow issue is as bad if not worse than previous models. From what I have read it appears Apple is still using the "luck of the draw" LG panels. You can't see it unless you have a full white screen open but honestly it's pretty bad along with light bleed around the edges.
In the Atlanta/North Georgia area they are not in short supply so I have seen the issue both at Best Buy and the Apple Store. Just my opinion, not sure if anyone else has seen the same issue.
This is a example however I believe this person got a really bad one.
To be fair I think they used 10' cords on everything they hooked up to that Dell. Also I believe that picture was taken in 2006, it's safe to say most of that stuff is wireless these days
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Sure, but the point is the appeal or a simpler machine. Dell et al. could have gone down this route in 2006 or before but they had their focus elsewhere. As for less cables, there are less cables but still a lot. You still see PCs with separate displays with a separate cable setup, separate webcams that you attach like it was an afterthought.
The issue I have with the new iMacs is the screen. I would say the yellow issue is as bad if not worse than previous models. From what I have read it appears Apple is still using the "luck of the draw" LG panels. You can't see it unless you have a full white screen open but honestly it's pretty bad along with light bleed around the edges.
That's a legitimate complaint. I would expect to see that on the 21.5" iMac more than the 27" iMacs just from the larger model having a more stringent QC process since, I assume, those are more likely used for professional work that require a quality display.
To be fair I think they used 10' cords on everything they hooked up to that Dell.
Standard cords that shipped with each item.
Also I believe that picture was taken in 2006, it's safe to say most of that stuff is wireless these days.
The keyboard and mouse, sure! Not the webcam, monitor, IR port, or speakers (though there's probably one of those stupid nub-dongles you plug into a USB port for those).
WICKED cool! I'm impressed by both the UI design and the ability to integrate physical objects.
Now, gimme that with Mac OSX and an app for controlling Pro Tools and I will sell my car to have it! That's just about the perfect size for a console-equivalent controller.
Yeah... It appears that the physical objects have an unique fingerprint that is recognizable by the software.... I could see that being a puck on a CAD or drafting system.
I would buy that instantly if you could run Final Cut Pro X on it -- there are some things you can do better by getting your "hands dirty" -- rather than through the indirection of a mouse and keyboard. I also like the ability to work standing or sitting as your mood/need arises.
[...] The issue I have with the new iMacs is the screen. I would say the yellow issue is as bad if not worse than previous models. From what I have read it appears Apple is still using the "luck of the draw" LG panels. You can't see it unless you have a full white screen open but honestly it's pretty bad along with light bleed around the edges.
So is this a recognized "issue" that Apple is working to correct or that's just the way it is, either live with it or don't buy it?
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
So you bought something from Apple for convenience and reliability of the service agreement...
That's not what I said. I said I bought from Apple for the convenience and so that they couldn't use a tired old excuse for avoiding tech support issues. In the past they have refused to help because one of the devices involved in the process wasn't theirs. I paid extra to close that loophole. I *DO* believe that it was overpriced, but don't believe I had a choice. Well, okay, I had a choice between paying an exorbitant price for an optical drive or giving up any hope of support for optical read/write issues.
Quote:
Originally Posted by SolipsismX
[...] It's not likely you needed that ODD as soon as you got your Mac.
Wrong again. That particular machine was purchased for the sole purpose of ingesting from and spitting out to optical media. That's all it does. I would have VERY much preferred a machine with a built-in ODD just for convenience, but since Apple no longer offered them in the Mini I couldn't. Since the primary function of the machine is optical disc input/output, I sure as hell wasn't going to let Apple refuse to honor the AppleCare agreement just because the optical drive came from a third party.
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
Let me quote someone here. "...take the comment in CONTEXT, as opposed to tearing down any statement into tiny little bite-size pieces that obviously don't hold up in isolation..."
I did. His implication, taken in context, was NOT what you said, nor was there anything in the context of the thread to imply that he meant what you think it should mean.
Perhaps you should click the button that will prevent my posts from showing up in your feed...
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Originally Posted by digitalclips
Great idea! Next .. put what on the thumb drive? lol Anyone that technologically backward has to running XP!
I have decided to take my iPad and an Apple TV and an AE plus an HDMI cable to their house and show them the 21st Century and see what happens
Awesome! Technology marches on:
2005 : $69 DVD player + $0.50 burned CD with jpegs on it played pictures on everyone's TVs
2013 : $500 tablet, $99 Apple TV, $99 Airport Extreme = plays pictures on TV
Why didn't you just burn an ISO 9660 CD/DVD with jpegs in a folder. Most any dvd player would/could play a slideshow of the files.
Originally Posted by v5v
That particular machine was purchased for the sole purpose of ingesting from and spitting out to optical media. That's all it does.
So now you'll buy computers from someone other than Apple. Sounds like a simple answer.
I've got a hand gesture for these "innovators" that want to make computing as foolish as sic-fi movies.
Originally Posted by SolipsismX
I've got a hand gesture for these "innovators" that want to make computing as foolish as sic-fi movies.
Were I a gesture interface creator, I'd build that directly into control of the OS so that whenever the user did it, the application currently in focus would restart.
Seems like the most appropriate use therefor.
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Originally Posted by paxman
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Originally Posted by TBell
Performance wise I agree. I, however, think Apple made a few questionable design decisions here. Unlike a notebook, tablet, or phone, a desktop doesn't benefit from being horribly thin. The last iMac design was fine. There has been some stories popping up how this new Mac doesn't allow for some things like being wall mounted, which was possible with previous models.
You want to hang your iMac on the wall? Really? It's work of art for sure, but I can't really see a reason to hang it on the wall. It looks prettier standing on a desk or table. Even the old version - the ports were on the back, including the power chord.
A desktop benefits from being thin because it makes it more beautiful and everything benefits from being more beautiful. I can't really see where they can go from here. (I am actually beginning to think we are moving towards an iMac that can be pivoted down to horizontal position with a touch screen. - Yes, TS, I'm beginning to lean your way - If that is where the iMac is going then thin is definitely better)
Have a look at this video:
And the article:
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/technology/2013/01/lenovos-new-coffee-table-computer-one-big-gigantic-ipad/60650/
IMO, there are some real possibilities for a larger tablet / desktop hybrid...
At today's state of the art, I don't think that "mobile" is the correct way to go -- though thin and light are moves in the right direction... More like "semi-stationary" than "mobile", for now".
The lie-flat case is in the future, as well as the hang-on-the-wall case. It's just that we can see the trend now, where we couldn't with the previous inch-thick iMacs. The bulge may disappear when the HDD goes away.
paxman's point about perception is the key, and perception of mass is all about the view from the side.
The slots on the side for cards and discs are gone for good. Less is better, I guess.
The way to embed the video is to remove the extraneous &feature= content in the URL.
[VIDEO]
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Originally Posted by SolipsismX
I've got a hand gesture for these "innovators" that want to make computing as foolish as sic-fi movies.
Were I a gesture interface creator, I'd build that directly into control of the OS so that whenever the user did it, the application currently in focus would restart.
Seems like the most appropriate use therefor.
Ha!
Last night we had a nice rack of lamb dinner to celebrate the return of my 16-year-old granddaughter from a church retreat.
My youngest grandson asked why the lamb "chops" had a "handle" of exposed bone and no meat -- kind of like a lollipop.
I explained that the thin layer of meat and fat was cut/scraped away from that portion of the bone because the meat was very thin there -- and would only burn, anyway...
I mentioned that the technique was called "Frenching"...
My granddaughter jumped in and said "I thought Frenching was:" and made a series of gestures with her face, lips, tongue and mouth -- that resembled someone French-Kissing the air...
Everyone at the table lost it.... One of the funniest things I've ever seen!
I decided not to mention the "pants/panties" they sometimes put on rack of lamb.
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum
Have a look at this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C59VqSUPM2Y&feature=player_detailpage
The way to embed the video is to remove the extraneous &feature= content in the URL.
Thanks for the tip... these computer thingies are really confusing, sometimes...
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum
Have a look at this video:
And the article:
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/technology/2013/01/lenovos-new-coffee-table-computer-one-big-gigantic-ipad/60650/
IMO, there are some real possibilities for a larger tablet / desktop hybrid...
At today's state of the art, I don't think that "mobile" is the correct way to go -- though thin and light are moves in the right direction... More like "semi-stationary" than "mobile", for now".
Wow! That's pretty impressive. I am not sure about such a large screen being used like that. It is just looks too heavy and clunky. Also it would need to be very strong to withstand being stepped on and being spilled coffee on. The moment in the video that seeds doubt is when you see the woman carry the thing. Having said that it offers a real glimpse into a possible future. I think a large (27") kneelable all in one touch device can be a usefull both at home and professionally. A 'splitable' tablet/laptop also. But the Lenovo tries to do everything, too early for commercial success. But it is not a commercial product, right? It's exciting.
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
Then you have the aesthetics of the device. This is a beautiful machine. I could buy the old style 27" iMac to save money right now but I want this new one. I think my decision has a lot to do with it's look (and because I couldn't find a 2011 iMac with the SSD+HDD on Apple's refurb site.)
Did you already order your 27"? I know you were wanting to take the plunge and get a desktop rig. If not, what are you waiting for?
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Originally Posted by paxman
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum
Have a look at this video:
And the article:
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/technology/2013/01/lenovos-new-coffee-table-computer-one-big-gigantic-ipad/60650/
IMO, there are some real possibilities for a larger tablet / desktop hybrid...
At today's state of the art, I don't think that "mobile" is the correct way to go -- though thin and light are moves in the right direction... More like "semi-stationary" than "mobile", for now".
Wow! That's pretty impressive. I am not sure about such a large screen being used like that. It is just looks too heavy and clunky. Also it would need to be very strong to withstand being stepped on and being spilled coffee on. The moment in the video that seeds doubt is when you see the woman carry the thing. Having said that it offers a real glimpse into a possible future. I think a large (27") kneelable all in one touch device can be a usefull both at home and professionally. A 'splitable' tablet/laptop also. But the Lenovo tries to do everything, too early for commercial success. But it is not a commercial product, right? It's exciting.
According to the article link, it is a commercial product:
Quote:
We've been anticipating the dawn of the tabletop PC since 2008, when Microsoft unveiled a 30-inch machine called the Surface -- not to be confused with the recently released Surface tablet. Like the Horizon, it featured an interface straight out of Minority Report and made us wonder just what we could do with a giant horizontal screen. But since each Microsoft Surface machine cost tens of thousands of dollars, not many people were able to take them home and experiment. Features aside, the Horizon stands out for its relatively reasonable price starting at $1,699, the price of about three iPads.
Waiting for a new Mac Pro myself with high powered GPU. Anorexic and unupgradeable is not for me. A heat gun to get inside? Give me a break. Is this the new direction at Apple. (User since the Apple II).
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum
Have a look at this video:
WICKED cool! I'm impressed by both the UI design and the ability to integrate physical objects.
Now, gimme that with Mac OSX and an app for controlling Pro Tools and I will sell my car to have it!
Quote:
Originally Posted by SolipsismX
There is a reason why one of these are doing very well in the market and the other isn't. Can you spot the difference?
To be fair I think they used 10' cords on everything they hooked up to that Dell. Also I believe that picture was taken in 2006, it's safe to say most of that stuff is wireless these days.
The issue I have with the new iMacs is the screen. I would say the yellow issue is as bad if not worse than previous models. From what I have read it appears Apple is still using the "luck of the draw" LG panels. You can't see it unless you have a full white screen open but honestly it's pretty bad along with light bleed around the edges.
In the Atlanta/North Georgia area they are not in short supply so I have seen the issue both at Best Buy and the Apple Store. Just my opinion, not sure if anyone else has seen the same issue.
This is a example however I believe this person got a really bad one.
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/4559479?start=0&tstart=0
Sure, but the point is the appeal or a simpler machine. Dell et al. could have gone down this route in 2006 or before but they had their focus elsewhere. As for less cables, there are less cables but still a lot. You still see PCs with separate displays with a separate cable setup, separate webcams that you attach like it was an afterthought.
That's a legitimate complaint. I would expect to see that on the 21.5" iMac more than the 27" iMacs just from the larger model having a more stringent QC process since, I assume, those are more likely used for professional work that require a quality display.
Originally Posted by extremeskater
To be fair I think they used 10' cords on everything they hooked up to that Dell.
Standard cords that shipped with each item.
Also I believe that picture was taken in 2006, it's safe to say most of that stuff is wireless these days.
The keyboard and mouse, sure! Not the webcam, monitor, IR port, or speakers (though there's probably one of those stupid nub-dongles you plug into a USB port for those).
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Originally Posted by v5v
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum
Have a look at this video:
WICKED cool! I'm impressed by both the UI design and the ability to integrate physical objects.
Now, gimme that with Mac OSX and an app for controlling Pro Tools and I will sell my car to have it!
Yeah... It appears that the physical objects have an unique fingerprint that is recognizable by the software.... I could see that being a puck on a CAD or drafting system.
I would buy that instantly if you could run Final Cut Pro X on it -- there are some things you can do better by getting your "hands dirty" -- rather than through the indirection of a mouse and keyboard. I also like the ability to work standing or sitting as your mood/need arises.
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Originally Posted by extremeskater
[...] The issue I have with the new iMacs is the screen. I would say the yellow issue is as bad if not worse than previous models. From what I have read it appears Apple is still using the "luck of the draw" LG panels. You can't see it unless you have a full white screen open but honestly it's pretty bad along with light bleed around the edges.
So is this a recognized "issue" that Apple is working to correct or that's just the way it is, either live with it or don't buy it?