I'd like to point out that this very article said Samsung alone sold 63 million smartphones and Apple sold 48 million. That's quite a massive about more than Apple and it's only one company using Google's software. IDK how you define winning, but that's hard to argue with.
Honestly, this person has way too much time, and he did say he is a pro, meaning he is a pro at trying every new product on the market. I too am a pro but my time is worth more than the time it take to keep learning new products and how to use them. I have switch from one product to another and I measure success on how long it takes me to learn how to use it. So if I can pick it up and use it immediately without learning anything about it then It was a very successful product. Simple point of this every Android phone and software version required a few minutes just to figure how to make a call, and I am on my 4 android phone and have used ever version of Android software. That is just learning how to make a call forget about all the other things. So that is a failure in itself.
Also, Android sell lots since they are given away, and people are just replacing an otherwise useless android phone just to be replace with another one since the old one can not be upgrade to the new software. Android took a lesson out of M$ playbook, add new software features which required hardware to be updated, thus helping your hardware partners make more sales.
So, you tell me how long does it take people to move from one phone to the next and how long does it take for you to get everything from the old phone to the new one.
You can not measure success on someone who gets off on challenge of changing hardware every time something new comes out.
Why does Apple have to compete for the low-end smartphone market? Samsung sells a lot of cheap phones, so what? The race isn't for the most, it's for the best and Apple knows that. It's the crazy analysts who think all smartphones are equal. They aren't.
I totally agree. Apple has said many times its mission is to provide its users the best experiences. It will be difficult to impossible to do so with the low-end cheap phones.
"Today's sermon will be taken from a passage in the Book of Digitimes, chapter 2, verse 1."
"1But Truth, you see, Truth is flighty. Truth is not a definite thing, nor is it assured. 2One cannot come upon Truth by search through information. 3Truth can only come from exploring every option and reporting every permutation thereof."
I wish the next iPhone is waterproof like this one. Very very cool feature - no more special camera/case needed for snorkeling, waterfall, or extreme sports shots.
If you guys don't think market share is important I have an old Mac to sell you. Seriously it is a very big deal. If developers suddenly find a way to make good money on Android software development will dry up. Just look at the hoops MicroSoft has jumped through to try to attract developer to its platform or for that matter old line phone makers.
This is why I see it as imperative that Apple create a rational product line up. That doesn't mean cheap crap but rather hardware that can be offered up at reasonable prices in alternative markets. They also need to continue to expand iOS functionality and as much as possible make sure new features run everywhere.
The incredible thing is that these aren't just claims, it's the truth. I've went up to their booths (and other carriers) a few times pretending to be a potential customer to see what happens. EVERY SINGLE TIME I got recommended the S3. When I ask about the iPhone, the general response I get is 'yeah i guess its a good phone if you like apple, but doesnt have near as many features as the SAMSUNG GALAXY S3." They they go on about screen size and start listing all the touchwiz gimmicks, as if they're Samsung employees. Never in my life have I seen a phone that has been advertised and pushed so, so heavily. Massive banners in every mall/store I go to, constant radio ads by the carriers, prominently displayed on all their brochures, never-ending TV ads, etc. Compared to the level of iPhone 5 advertising, the S3 is in another universe. Which makes iPhone sales in the US all the more impressive and stunning.
I guess Apple Stores are to be given credit, one of the smartest and most forwarding thinking moves SJ did.
AT&T and Verizon sales people have been pushing terrible phones since the beginning, and I can only imagine them having a party when the Maps kerfuffle started.
I'm basically one of the users you'd reference. Long time iOS user, had a Galaxy Nexus from work for over a year on Gingerbread which I didn't like, but once I got Jellybean (after a long delay from Canadian carriers, more on this in a bit), I really liked it. I bought my own Nexus 7 a few months ago before the iPad mini came out and I'm starting to 'get' Android now. I'd say if I were to choose from nothing, I'd lean towards Android but it's not enough to switch over from iOS, both have very strong advantages. It just seemed like both were making big updates every year and now Android is finally not frustrating to use, while iOS didn't make any leaps overall with the last version.
It'll be very hard for Android to fix the upgrade process. Many of the device still user carrier specific builds which the carrier generally has to approve (and pay) for the upgrades (from what I've learned), unless the users root their phones. Since the sale on the hardware is already made, there is little incentive for the carrier to oblige. Apple has more control and has a much easier time getting updates out. It took many more months for me to get JB on my Nexus because of stupid Canadian carrier requirements for the device (JB build provided by Samsung, not Google for the Canadian Galaxy Nexus), but I still laugh when my co-workers try to tout Android as better than iOS when they're running Gingerbread with no manufacturer upgrade path (they have GS2's) compared to iOS updates.
OrigionalG, you are correct this is exactly what I am talking about. Current IOS users are probably not going to jump ship (However I do know some that did), but with someone coming in completely new, the current version of Android is very good. For the price difference it is probably good enough for the masses.
I also agree that I do not see how Google is going to fix the upgrade process, but they seem to be tightening up on the Android hardware requirements to try and stop the fragmentation problem. It is not hard to believe that they are also looking at the upgrade problem too. Regardless of your opinion of Google they are not fools.
Yes! I remember when Samsung had that press conference and showed off its touch sensitive phone and Apple had to throw stuff together just to get into the market. I mean, it was all Samsung for a year, right? Samsung's touch sensitive phone with an App store and integrated maps. With a good mobile browser. All Samsung. Thank god for their innovation.
It's not petty theft, but if you look back and see Steve introduce the iPhone, and read all the people who said it was dumb and would fail, and a year later when everyone else 'invents' one, it should inform your opinion. I wouldn't call it stealing. I'd just call it a lack of imagination on many other companies parts. Someone showed them how to do it right.
All this will change again in 5 years. Android vs iOS may not matter at that point anymore than having access to Tolkien Ring networks matter now. This area is changing faster and faster. Do you think in 20 years you will run the same OS on anything you have now? From the same companies? The future will belong to the company that invents the next thing. This isn't a war. It's already a documentary on one little technology battle.
Final sales numbers were not listed; however, it did say it was a record for smartphones in general and iPhones specifically. Since they sold 7.6 million iPhones last year, it is not a stretch to infer they sold 8 million plus iPhones. I guess logic is too hard for some people
An important note:
AT&T did NOT sell 7.6 million iPhones last year in that quarter. AT&T does not release actual iPhone sales figures.
AT&T only gives iPhone ACTIVATION numbers, which includes resold and hand-me-down iPhones. It sounds more impressive that way.
Old iPhone activations have previously accounted for anywhere from 10% to 25% of total iPhone activations, depending on how hot the new model was. The more desirable it is, the more old iPhones that end up being reactivated by a different owner and included in the total.
If you guys don't think market share is important I have an old Mac to sell you. Seriously it is a very big deal. If developers suddenly find a way to make good money on Android software development will dry up. Just look at the hoops MicroSoft has jumped through to try to attract developer to its platform or for that matter old line phone makers.
This is why I see it as imperative that Apple create a rational product line up. That doesn't mean cheap crap but rather hardware that can be offered up at reasonable prices in alternative markets. They also need to continue to expand iOS functionality and as much as possible make sure new features run everywhere.
I used to develop for Android/iOS. I gave up on Android as it's a mess. They have more market share but that means nothing when most of those devices are cheap phones without the power to run any quality App.
I'm not going to waste time developing for a phone with a 320x240 screen and a processor slower than my solar powered calculator. Once you remove these devices from the Android side then suddenly the market share favors Apple. iOS has more market share of high-end devices. iOS totally dominates tablets. Developers aren't going to be jumping ship anytime soon.
And even when Android starts to sell more high end devices do you actually think developers will suddenly stop developing for a market if several hundred million iOS users all with iTunes accounts willing to spend money? Seriously?
right.. because AT&T is the only wireless carrier in the world.. LOL
8 out of 10 for ATT
6 out of 10 for verizon
7 or 8 out of 10 for sprint
And some people think android is ahead on the US.
Then you have other countries where Apple has the first, second and sometimes third best selling phone AND YOU GUYS ARE TALKING LIKE IF APPLE IS ALMOST DYING. WHY?
Then, that criminal at samsung, goes on to stage and says that samsung has the best selling smartphone. lol
AT&T did NOT sell 7.6 million iPhones last year in that quarter. AT&T does not release actual iPhone sales figures.
AT&T only gives iPhone ACTIVATION numbers, which includes resold and hand-me-down iPhones. It sounds more impressive that way.
Old iPhone activations have previously accounted for anywhere from 10% to 25% of total iPhone activations, depending on how hot the new model was. The more desirable it is, the more old iPhones that end up being reactivated by a different owner and included in the total.
Sorry, the search engine link to our story on this is broken. Title's correct; link goes to an article from 2006.
You want banned? I'm sick of this pathetic nonsense.
You cited an article from a year ago on profits from Apple. A lot has changed in a year.
I was not talking about revenue. Unlike you, I was addressing the original posters comments about "scaring developers away" Clearly this can not be the case because there are just as many apps on Android as on iOS.
And being banned shows you are scared to have a real conversation. I am saying nothing offense or breaking any forum rules.
So eight out of ten smartphones sold by AT&T were iPhones yet there were claims that AT&T stores were actively trying to steer customers away from it?
And by the way, Android is WINNING!
Samsung was probably paying sales reps $25 per Galaxy phone because they are hard up for sales as their quarterly sales are actually declining for the S III. They actually sold only 15 Million down from 18 Million for the Sept quarter.
Samsung did a record $8 Billion in Net profits. Another RECORD. Apple did $8 Billion in Apple's slowest quarter Sept for the year.
Samsung is WINNING!!
I can't wait to see what Apple did for the Dec quarter.
You cited an article from a year ago on profits from Apple. A lot has changed in a year.
I was not talking about revenue. Unlike you, I was addressing the original posters comments about "scaring developers away" Clearly this can not be the case because there are just as many apps on Android as on iOS.
And being banned shows you are scared to have a real conversation. I am saying nothing offense or breaking any forum rules.
This is just not true.
First of all, most android apps are launchers AND skins, icons, wallpapers, fart apps etc. A skin is an app. (lol)
Them, iOS has a lot of native apps, that doesn't happens with Android. at best they are html5.
I wish the next iPhone is waterproof like this one. Very very cool feature - no more special camera/case needed for snorkeling, waterfall, or extreme sports shots.
Unfortunately carriers and phone makers make way too much money off of people who damage their phones and have to replace them off contract.
And FYI. The Motorola Raza Maxx comes with this already. Not sure why it isn't advertised more. Probably would make a good selling point but Verizon Droid marketing is horrible.
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Originally Posted by NexusPhan
I'd like to point out that this very article said Samsung alone sold 63 million smartphones and Apple sold 48 million. That's quite a massive about more than Apple and it's only one company using Google's software. IDK how you define winning, but that's hard to argue with.
The real winning is this article: http://gizmodo.com/5973073/an-iphone-lovers-confession-i-switched-to-the-nexus-4-completely
Honestly, this person has way too much time, and he did say he is a pro, meaning he is a pro at trying every new product on the market. I too am a pro but my time is worth more than the time it take to keep learning new products and how to use them. I have switch from one product to another and I measure success on how long it takes me to learn how to use it. So if I can pick it up and use it immediately without learning anything about it then It was a very successful product. Simple point of this every Android phone and software version required a few minutes just to figure how to make a call, and I am on my 4 android phone and have used ever version of Android software. That is just learning how to make a call forget about all the other things. So that is a failure in itself.
Also, Android sell lots since they are given away, and people are just replacing an otherwise useless android phone just to be replace with another one since the old one can not be upgrade to the new software. Android took a lesson out of M$ playbook, add new software features which required hardware to be updated, thus helping your hardware partners make more sales.
So, you tell me how long does it take people to move from one phone to the next and how long does it take for you to get everything from the old phone to the new one.
You can not measure success on someone who gets off on challenge of changing hardware every time something new comes out.
Originally Posted by smalM
Munster maybe a member of the "Church of Market Share" as John Gruber names it.
Every religion needs a symbol. Wonder what that one would be.
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Originally Posted by rob53
Why does Apple have to compete for the low-end smartphone market? Samsung sells a lot of cheap phones, so what? The race isn't for the most, it's for the best and Apple knows that. It's the crazy analysts who think all smartphones are equal. They aren't.
I totally agree. Apple has said many times its mission is to provide its users the best experiences. It will be difficult to impossible to do so with the low-end cheap phones.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Every religion needs a symbol. Wonder what that one would be.
"Today's sermon will be taken from a passage in the Book of Digitimes, chapter 2, verse 1."
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Originally Posted by Apple ][
Congratulations to the Apple shorts!
It seems like whenever there is some positive news, AAPL goes down.
From their point of view that only means there are now less positive news left in Apples future
Originally Posted by allenbf
"Today's sermon will be taken from a passage in the Book of Digitimes, chapter 2, verse 1."
"1But Truth, you see, Truth is flighty. Truth is not a definite thing, nor is it assured. 2One cannot come upon Truth by search through information. 3Truth can only come from exploring every option and reporting every permutation thereof."
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Originally Posted by lkrupp
So eight out of ten smartphones sold by AT&T were iPhones yet there were claims that AT&T stores were actively trying to steer customers away from it?
And by the way, Android is WINNING!
right.. because AT&T is the only wireless carrier in the world.. LOL
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Originally Posted by IronTed
The world's best smartphone ever is here... the new Xperia Z from Sony: http://www.xperiablog.net/2013/01/08/xperia-z-and-xperia-zl-promo-videos/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook
I wish the next iPhone is waterproof like this one. Very very cool feature - no more special camera/case needed for snorkeling, waterfall, or extreme sports shots.
This is why I see it as imperative that Apple create a rational product line up. That doesn't mean cheap crap but rather hardware that can be offered up at reasonable prices in alternative markets. They also need to continue to expand iOS functionality and as much as possible make sure new features run everywhere.
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Originally Posted by Slurpy
The incredible thing is that these aren't just claims, it's the truth. I've went up to their booths (and other carriers) a few times pretending to be a potential customer to see what happens. EVERY SINGLE TIME I got recommended the S3. When I ask about the iPhone, the general response I get is 'yeah i guess its a good phone if you like apple, but doesnt have near as many features as the SAMSUNG GALAXY S3." They they go on about screen size and start listing all the touchwiz gimmicks, as if they're Samsung employees. Never in my life have I seen a phone that has been advertised and pushed so, so heavily. Massive banners in every mall/store I go to, constant radio ads by the carriers, prominently displayed on all their brochures, never-ending TV ads, etc. Compared to the level of iPhone 5 advertising, the S3 is in another universe. Which makes iPhone sales in the US all the more impressive and stunning.
I guess Apple Stores are to be given credit, one of the smartest and most forwarding thinking moves SJ did.
AT&T and Verizon sales people have been pushing terrible phones since the beginning, and I can only imagine them having a party when the Maps kerfuffle started.
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Originally Posted by OriginalG
I'm basically one of the users you'd reference. Long time iOS user, had a Galaxy Nexus from work for over a year on Gingerbread which I didn't like, but once I got Jellybean (after a long delay from Canadian carriers, more on this in a bit), I really liked it. I bought my own Nexus 7 a few months ago before the iPad mini came out and I'm starting to 'get' Android now. I'd say if I were to choose from nothing, I'd lean towards Android but it's not enough to switch over from iOS, both have very strong advantages. It just seemed like both were making big updates every year and now Android is finally not frustrating to use, while iOS didn't make any leaps overall with the last version.
It'll be very hard for Android to fix the upgrade process. Many of the device still user carrier specific builds which the carrier generally has to approve (and pay) for the upgrades (from what I've learned), unless the users root their phones. Since the sale on the hardware is already made, there is little incentive for the carrier to oblige. Apple has more control and has a much easier time getting updates out. It took many more months for me to get JB on my Nexus because of stupid Canadian carrier requirements for the device (JB build provided by Samsung, not Google for the Canadian Galaxy Nexus), but I still laugh when my co-workers try to tout Android as better than iOS when they're running Gingerbread with no manufacturer upgrade path (they have GS2's) compared to iOS updates.
OrigionalG, you are correct this is exactly what I am talking about. Current IOS users are probably not going to jump ship (However I do know some that did), but with someone coming in completely new, the current version of Android is very good. For the price difference it is probably good enough for the masses.
I also agree that I do not see how Google is going to fix the upgrade process, but they seem to be tightening up on the Android hardware requirements to try and stop the fragmentation problem. It is not hard to believe that they are also looking at the upgrade problem too. Regardless of your opinion of Google they are not fools.
Yes! I remember when Samsung had that press conference and showed off its touch sensitive phone and Apple had to throw stuff together just to get into the market. I mean, it was all Samsung for a year, right? Samsung's touch sensitive phone with an App store and integrated maps. With a good mobile browser. All Samsung. Thank god for their innovation.
It's not petty theft, but if you look back and see Steve introduce the iPhone, and read all the people who said it was dumb and would fail, and a year later when everyone else 'invents' one, it should inform your opinion. I wouldn't call it stealing. I'd just call it a lack of imagination on many other companies parts. Someone showed them how to do it right.
All this will change again in 5 years. Android vs iOS may not matter at that point anymore than having access to Tolkien Ring networks matter now. This area is changing faster and faster. Do you think in 20 years you will run the same OS on anything you have now? From the same companies? The future will belong to the company that invents the next thing. This isn't a war. It's already a documentary on one little technology battle.
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Originally Posted by ndirishfan1975
Final sales numbers were not listed; however, it did say it was a record for smartphones in general and iPhones specifically. Since they sold 7.6 million iPhones last year, it is not a stretch to infer they sold 8 million plus iPhones. I guess logic is too hard for some people
An important note:
AT&T did NOT sell 7.6 million iPhones last year in that quarter. AT&T does not release actual iPhone sales figures.
AT&T only gives iPhone ACTIVATION numbers, which includes resold and hand-me-down iPhones. It sounds more impressive that way.
Old iPhone activations have previously accounted for anywhere from 10% to 25% of total iPhone activations, depending on how hot the new model was. The more desirable it is, the more old iPhones that end up being reactivated by a different owner and included in the total.
I'm not going to waste time developing for a phone with a 320x240 screen and a processor slower than my solar powered calculator. Once you remove these devices from the Android side then suddenly the market share favors Apple. iOS has more market share of high-end devices. iOS totally dominates tablets. Developers aren't going to be jumping ship anytime soon.
And even when Android starts to sell more high end devices do you actually think developers will suddenly stop developing for a market if several hundred million iOS users all with iTunes accounts willing to spend money? Seriously?
Originally Posted by tooltalk
right.. because AT&T is the only wireless carrier in the world.. LOL
8 out of 10 for ATT
6 out of 10 for verizon
7 or 8 out of 10 for sprint
And some people think android is ahead on the US.
Then you have other countries where Apple has the first, second and sometimes third best selling phone AND YOU GUYS ARE TALKING LIKE IF APPLE IS ALMOST DYING. WHY?
Then, that criminal at samsung, goes on to stage and says that samsung has the best selling smartphone. lol
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Originally Posted by KDarling
An important note:
AT&T did NOT sell 7.6 million iPhones last year in that quarter. AT&T does not release actual iPhone sales figures.
AT&T only gives iPhone ACTIVATION numbers, which includes resold and hand-me-down iPhones. It sounds more impressive that way.
Old iPhone activations have previously accounted for anywhere from 10% to 25% of total iPhone activations, depending on how hot the new model was. The more desirable it is, the more old iPhones that end up being reactivated by a different owner and included in the total.
Same with Android phones, idiot.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
http://appleinsider.com/articles/12/02/03/apples_iphone_takes_75_mobile_phone_profits_with_just_9_of_units_sold.html
Last year, even: http://appleinsider.com/articles/11/12/13/ios_apps_bring_in_300_more_revenue_than_android_counterparts
http://appleinsider.com/articles/11/09/08/android_app_volume_to_pass_ios_app_store_but_apple_developers_lead_in_revenues
http://www.cultofmac.com/180345/android-piracy-is-so-bad-you-cant-even-charge-for-apps-anymore/
Sorry, the search engine link to our story on this is broken. Title's correct; link goes to an article from 2006.
You want banned? I'm sick of this pathetic nonsense.
You cited an article from a year ago on profits from Apple. A lot has changed in a year.
I was not talking about revenue. Unlike you, I was addressing the original posters comments about "scaring developers away" Clearly this can not be the case because there are just as many apps on Android as on iOS.
And being banned shows you are scared to have a real conversation. I am saying nothing offense or breaking any forum rules.
Quote:
Originally Posted by lkrupp
So eight out of ten smartphones sold by AT&T were iPhones yet there were claims that AT&T stores were actively trying to steer customers away from it?
And by the way, Android is WINNING!
Samsung was probably paying sales reps $25 per Galaxy phone because they are hard up for sales as their quarterly sales are actually declining for the S III. They actually sold only 15 Million down from 18 Million for the Sept quarter.
Samsung did a record $8 Billion in Net profits. Another RECORD. Apple did $8 Billion in Apple's slowest quarter Sept for the year.
Samsung is WINNING!!
I can't wait to see what Apple did for the Dec quarter.
Quote:
Originally Posted by NexusPhan
You cited an article from a year ago on profits from Apple. A lot has changed in a year.
I was not talking about revenue. Unlike you, I was addressing the original posters comments about "scaring developers away" Clearly this can not be the case because there are just as many apps on Android as on iOS.
And being banned shows you are scared to have a real conversation. I am saying nothing offense or breaking any forum rules.
This is just not true.
First of all, most android apps are launchers AND skins, icons, wallpapers, fart apps etc. A skin is an app. (lol)
Them, iOS has a lot of native apps, that doesn't happens with Android. at best they are html5.
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Originally Posted by jason98
I wish the next iPhone is waterproof like this one. Very very cool feature - no more special camera/case needed for snorkeling, waterfall, or extreme sports shots.
Unfortunately carriers and phone makers make way too much money off of people who damage their phones and have to replace them off contract.
And FYI. The Motorola Raza Maxx comes with this already. Not sure why it isn't advertised more. Probably would make a good selling point but Verizon Droid marketing is horrible.