Samsung relies mostly on volume. Apple historically has not and relies on being first out of the gate. Nowadays other companes are wise to this strategy, and resist giving up content control and not giving in.
Apple is actually not first out of the gate. They usually have a nack for taking exisiting technology and making it work better. The iPod was not the first MP3 player, the iPhone was not the first smart phone or even the first touch phone, and the iPad was not the first tablet. They all had a markedly better user experience than anything that came before. That is what Apple has done better than anyone else the past decade.
I used to develop for Android/iOS. I gave up on Android as it's a mess. They have more market share but that means nothing when most of those devices are cheap phones without the power to run any quality App.
I'm not going to waste time developing for a phone with a 320x240 screen and a processor slower than my solar powered calculator. Once you remove these devices from the Android side then suddenly the market share favors Apple. iOS has more market share of high-end devices. iOS totally dominates tablets. Developers aren't going to be jumping ship anytime soon.
And even when Android starts to sell more high end devices do you actually think developers will suddenly stop developing for a market if several hundred million iOS users all with iTunes accounts willing to spend money? Seriously?
This just is true. iOS has fart apps too. It's pretty desperate needing to separate out apps like that. We could do the same with iPhone.
And how could you possible know what Google counts as an app and how many Android apps are native? 750,000 on each market is monumental.
Android and native do not coexist. Android is java-based, there's nothing native about it.
What I said is that Android has a lot of customization-related apps, and even a wallpaper or skin or new buttons are "apps". The difference in quality between ecosystems is huge, not to mention the difference in "experience" you can get by using apps on iOS. The app was designed for "that" phone, "that" OS. That doesn't happen on Android.
Android is about "me too", "sort of", "close enough", "who cares". HTML5 on the best cases. There's nothing to see there. Shmidt said last year (12 months ago) that in six months (happened six months ago) developers would choose Android ahead of IOS: Reports show that Shmidt couldn't be more wrong. Developers love iOS and the difference was never as big as it is now. it makes sense, after all.
AT&T did NOT sell 7.6 million iPhones last year in that quarter. AT&T does not release actual iPhone sales figures.
AT&T only gives iPhone ACTIVATION numbers, which includes resold and hand-me-down iPhones. It sounds more impressive that way.
Old iPhone activations have previously accounted for anywhere from 10% to 25% of total iPhone activations, depending on how hot the new model was. The more desirable it is, the more old iPhones that end up being reactivated by a different owner and included in the total.
Whether its sales figures or activation numbers I think it's well established that AT&T sells more iPhones than any other phone.
But you're right. Developers will continue to embrace both platforms for a long time to come. Anyone saying otherwise is pretty ignorant.
Great point.....the S3 was able to beat out a year old phone when everyone in the world knew that the next iPhone was right around the corner. VERY impressive. I'd say it was more impressive that the 4s held the crown for as long as it did against what was supposed to be a clearly supperior phone.
The iphone outsells every highend model put together at least 3 to one. Less than 14 million S3 SHIPPED this quarter...
You're totally right about shipped versus sold. Samsung just keeps making millions and millions of phones every month and posts record profits because they're not actually selling anything. Just shipping. We both know you're regurgitating what you've read on this site and we both know its more exaggerated that antennagate.
Great point.....the S3 was able to beat out a year old phone when everyone in the world knew that the next iPhone was right around the corner. VERY impressive. I'd say it was more impressive that the 4s held the crown for as long as it did against what was supposed to be a clearly supperior phone.
You Apple fans get on the defensive every second. Calm yourself down. I was only pointing out that "when android starts selling more high end devices" is way off the mark. I don't care who sells more or who has more apps. I just dislike people on these threads (and others) saying things that are no longer true. Have a real debate about the benefits/drawbacks of iOS/Android. Don't use old data and make misleading statements.
Great point.....the S3 was able to beat out a year old phone when everyone in the world knew that the next iPhone was right around the corner. VERY impressive. I'd say it was more impressive that the 4s held the crown for as long as it did against what was supposed to be a clearly supperior phone.
Honestly your post does not make sense if you really think about what you typed. 18million sold and the iPhone 5 was just around the corner; why did those 18 million not wait for the new iPhone?
Honestly your post does not make sense if you really think about what you typed. 18million sold and the iPhone 5 was just around the corner; why did those 18 million not wait for the new iPhone?
Honestly the post does make sense. Yes they sold 18 million but the only reason they sold more, and barely more at that, than the year old iPhone 4s is because people that were wanting to buy iPhones were in large numbers waiting for either the iPhone 5 or for the iPhone 4s to get its price chopped by $100.
Honestly the post does make sense. Yes they sold 18 million but the only reason they sold more, and barely more at that, than the year old iPhone 4s is because people that were wanting to buy iPhones were in large numbers waiting for either the iPhone 5 or for the iPhone 4s to get its price chopped by $100.
My point wasn't about it selling more than the iPhone. It was pointing out that the statement "even when Android starts to sell more high end devices" is completely off the mark. Stop being so defensive.
Honestly your post does not make sense if you really think about what you typed. 18million sold and the iPhone 5 was just around the corner; why did those 18 million not wait for the new iPhone?
His point is not that the 18M would have been affected, but the number of iPhones sold was down because of the waiting. e.g. if it was 15M iPhone 4Ss sold, it could have 20M, thereby beating out the S3. So iPhones sales were down the previous quarter than 'normal' but also higher this past quarter than 'normal' after the waiting was over. You'll then also get some people (including Apple) saying it would have even been higher if they could make them faster.
The incredible thing is that these aren't just claims, it's the truth. I've went up to their booths (and other carriers) a few times pretending to be a potential customer to see what happens. EVERY SINGLE TIME I got recommended the S3. When I ask about the iPhone, the general response I get is 'yeah i guess its a good phone if you like apple, but doesnt have near as many features as the SAMSUNG GALAXY S3."
I would just LOVE IT, if Apple were to negotiate a slightly better margin with, say Sprint...then offer Apple salespersons with higher commissions on iPhones and iPads that are signed up on the Sprint network. How would that go? Good I think.
The S3 overtook the iPhone for a very short period of time just before the iPhone 5 came out. Wait until next report when we find the iPhone 5 has sold more in a single quarter than the S3 has sold since it was launched.
Whether its sales figures or activation numbers I think it's well established that AT&T sells more iPhones than any other phone.
Yep, no doubt. Just pointing out that if AT&T says they sold 10 million smartphones and then says 8 million iPhones were activated, that doesn't mean 8 million were sold. Using past history, it could be as low as 6 million new phones actually sold, plus 2 million old phones reactivated by the next owners. (Which is still quite amazing. It's great how well iPhones do on the second hand market!)
As for comparing Apple sales with Samsung, it might make more sense to compare Apple's high end iPhone 5 sales, with Samsung's high end sales of both their S3 and the Note 2. All depends on what the point is.
The S3 overtook the iPhone for a very short period of time just before the iPhone 5 came out. Wait until next report when we find the iPhone 5 has sold more in a single quarter than the S3 has sold since it was launched.
Edit: Directed at phan
Man. I picked a terrible article for my point. I meant only to rebuff the "even when Android starts to sell more high end devices" If you look at that article, iPhone (4s + 5) sold more than the Galaxy S3 last quarter. That wasn't the purpose of posting the article. Sorry for the confusion.
What are you talking about, they are saying SIII sales will be around 60mil this quarter alone even the most optimistic Apple # won't likely surpass 60 mil...
And I don't get how good this news is suppose to be, 8mil give or take sounds like a very small number.
What are you talking about, they are saying SIII sales will be around 60mil this quarter alone even the most optimistic Apple # won't likely surpass 60 mil...
And I don't get how good this news is suppose to be, 8mil give or take sounds like a very small number.
Who is saying 60 million S3's were sold the quarter? Samsung? 8 million iPhones in one quarter on ONE carrier in the USA is not small. :rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by pedromartins
This is just not true.
First of all, most android apps are launchers AND skins, icons, wallpapers, fart apps etc. A skin is an app. (lol)
Them, iOS has a lot of native apps, that doesn't happens with Android. at best they are html5.
This just is true. iOS has fart apps too. It's pretty desperate needing to separate out apps like that. We could do the same with iPhone.
And how could you possible know what Google counts as an app and how many Android apps are native? 750,000 on each market is monumental.
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Originally Posted by Paul94544
Samsung relies mostly on volume. Apple historically has not and relies on being first out of the gate. Nowadays other companes are wise to this strategy, and resist giving up content control and not giving in.
Apple is actually not first out of the gate. They usually have a nack for taking exisiting technology and making it work better. The iPod was not the first MP3 player, the iPhone was not the first smart phone or even the first touch phone, and the iPad was not the first tablet. They all had a markedly better user experience than anything that came before. That is what Apple has done better than anyone else the past decade.
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Originally Posted by EricTheHalfBee
I used to develop for Android/iOS. I gave up on Android as it's a mess. They have more market share but that means nothing when most of those devices are cheap phones without the power to run any quality App.
I'm not going to waste time developing for a phone with a 320x240 screen and a processor slower than my solar powered calculator. Once you remove these devices from the Android side then suddenly the market share favors Apple. iOS has more market share of high-end devices. iOS totally dominates tablets. Developers aren't going to be jumping ship anytime soon.
And even when Android starts to sell more high end devices do you actually think developers will suddenly stop developing for a market if several hundred million iOS users all with iTunes accounts willing to spend money? Seriously?
Starts selling more high end devices? Hmm....
http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20121108005702/en/Strategy-Analytics-Samsung-Galaxy-S3-Worlds-Best-Selling
But you're right. Developers will continue to embrace both platforms for a long time to come. Anyone saying otherwise is pretty ignorant.
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Originally Posted by NexusPhan
This just is true. iOS has fart apps too. It's pretty desperate needing to separate out apps like that. We could do the same with iPhone.
And how could you possible know what Google counts as an app and how many Android apps are native? 750,000 on each market is monumental.
Android and native do not coexist. Android is java-based, there's nothing native about it.
What I said is that Android has a lot of customization-related apps, and even a wallpaper or skin or new buttons are "apps". The difference in quality between ecosystems is huge, not to mention the difference in "experience" you can get by using apps on iOS. The app was designed for "that" phone, "that" OS. That doesn't happen on Android.
Android is about "me too", "sort of", "close enough", "who cares". HTML5 on the best cases. There's nothing to see there. Shmidt said last year (12 months ago) that in six months (happened six months ago) developers would choose Android ahead of IOS: Reports show that Shmidt couldn't be more wrong. Developers love iOS and the difference was never as big as it is now. it makes sense, after all.
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Originally Posted by NexusPhan
Starts selling more high end devices? Hmm....
http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20121108005702/en/Strategy-Analytics-Samsung-Galaxy-S3-Worlds-Best-Selling
But you're right. Developers will continue to embrace both platforms for a long time to come. Anyone saying otherwise is pretty ignorant.
The iphone outsells every highend model put together at least 3 to one. Less than 14 million S3 SHIPPED this quarter...
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Originally Posted by NexusPhan
Starts selling more high end devices? Hmm....
http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20121108005702/en/Strategy-Analytics-Samsung-Galaxy-S3-Worlds-Best-Selling
But you're right. Developers will continue to embrace both platforms for a long time to come. Anyone saying otherwise is pretty ignorant.
Great point.....the S3 was able to beat out a year old phone when everyone in the world knew that the next iPhone was right around the corner. VERY impressive. I'd say it was more impressive that the 4s held the crown for as long as it did against what was supposed to be a clearly supperior phone.
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Originally Posted by pedromartins
The iphone outsells every highend model put together at least 3 to one. Less than 14 million S3 SHIPPED this quarter...
You're totally right about shipped versus sold. Samsung just keeps making millions and millions of phones every month and posts record profits because they're not actually selling anything. Just shipping. We both know you're regurgitating what you've read on this site and we both know its more exaggerated that antennagate.
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Originally Posted by ndirishfan1975
Great point.....the S3 was able to beat out a year old phone when everyone in the world knew that the next iPhone was right around the corner. VERY impressive. I'd say it was more impressive that the 4s held the crown for as long as it did against what was supposed to be a clearly supperior phone.
You Apple fans get on the defensive every second. Calm yourself down. I was only pointing out that "when android starts selling more high end devices" is way off the mark. I don't care who sells more or who has more apps. I just dislike people on these threads (and others) saying things that are no longer true. Have a real debate about the benefits/drawbacks of iOS/Android. Don't use old data and make misleading statements.
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Originally Posted by ndirishfan1975
Great point.....the S3 was able to beat out a year old phone when everyone in the world knew that the next iPhone was right around the corner. VERY impressive. I'd say it was more impressive that the 4s held the crown for as long as it did against what was supposed to be a clearly supperior phone.
Honestly your post does not make sense if you really think about what you typed. 18million sold and the iPhone 5 was just around the corner; why did those 18 million not wait for the new iPhone?
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Originally Posted by Ex iPhone Owner
Honestly your post does not make sense if you really think about what you typed. 18million sold and the iPhone 5 was just around the corner; why did those 18 million not wait for the new iPhone?
Honestly the post does make sense. Yes they sold 18 million but the only reason they sold more, and barely more at that, than the year old iPhone 4s is because people that were wanting to buy iPhones were in large numbers waiting for either the iPhone 5 or for the iPhone 4s to get its price chopped by $100.
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Originally Posted by ndirishfan1975
Honestly the post does make sense. Yes they sold 18 million but the only reason they sold more, and barely more at that, than the year old iPhone 4s is because people that were wanting to buy iPhones were in large numbers waiting for either the iPhone 5 or for the iPhone 4s to get its price chopped by $100.
My point wasn't about it selling more than the iPhone. It was pointing out that the statement "even when Android starts to sell more high end devices" is completely off the mark. Stop being so defensive.
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Originally Posted by Ex iPhone Owner
Honestly your post does not make sense if you really think about what you typed. 18million sold and the iPhone 5 was just around the corner; why did those 18 million not wait for the new iPhone?
His point is not that the 18M would have been affected, but the number of iPhones sold was down because of the waiting. e.g. if it was 15M iPhone 4Ss sold, it could have 20M, thereby beating out the S3. So iPhones sales were down the previous quarter than 'normal' but also higher this past quarter than 'normal' after the waiting was over. You'll then also get some people (including Apple) saying it would have even been higher if they could make them faster.
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Originally Posted by Slurpy
The incredible thing is that these aren't just claims, it's the truth. I've went up to their booths (and other carriers) a few times pretending to be a potential customer to see what happens. EVERY SINGLE TIME I got recommended the S3. When I ask about the iPhone, the general response I get is 'yeah i guess its a good phone if you like apple, but doesnt have near as many features as the SAMSUNG GALAXY S3."
I would just LOVE IT, if Apple were to negotiate a slightly better margin with, say Sprint...then offer Apple salespersons with higher commissions on iPhones and iPads that are signed up on the Sprint network. How would that go? Good I think.
Edit: Directed at phan
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Originally Posted by Rogifan
Whether its sales figures or activation numbers I think it's well established that AT&T sells more iPhones than any other phone.
Yep, no doubt. Just pointing out that if AT&T says they sold 10 million smartphones and then says 8 million iPhones were activated, that doesn't mean 8 million were sold. Using past history, it could be as low as 6 million new phones actually sold, plus 2 million old phones reactivated by the next owners. (Which is still quite amazing. It's great how well iPhones do on the second hand market!)
As for comparing Apple sales with Samsung, it might make more sense to compare Apple's high end iPhone 5 sales, with Samsung's high end sales of both their S3 and the Note 2. All depends on what the point is.
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Originally Posted by EricTheHalfBee
The S3 overtook the iPhone for a very short period of time just before the iPhone 5 came out. Wait until next report when we find the iPhone 5 has sold more in a single quarter than the S3 has sold since it was launched.
Edit: Directed at phan
Man. I picked a terrible article for my point. I meant only to rebuff the "even when Android starts to sell more high end devices" If you look at that article, iPhone (4s + 5) sold more than the Galaxy S3 last quarter. That wasn't the purpose of posting the article. Sorry for the confusion.
What are you talking about, they are saying SIII sales will be around 60mil this quarter alone even the most optimistic Apple # won't likely surpass 60 mil...
And I don't get how good this news is suppose to be, 8mil give or take sounds like a very small number.
http://www.zdnet.com/verizon-9-8-million-activations-during-q4-7000009582/