Care to justify that sentence? I believe that what I wrote is pretty much backed of, if not by Apple-provided numbers, at least by enough life-experience to be worth at least a bit more than 4 words in response, TS...
As I've said, in my personnal, but non-entirely-negligible life experience, pirates are the general public, that doesn't have a stake (working in that field) or a moral ground (being passionate about software) in computing. It sounds perfectly logical that people who pirate are the ones that feel it easiest to justify that moral transgression (it's immaterial), and as for "you need to be a geek to pirate"... you just need to understand enough of computers to download pirated movies. Pirated software is the same click-away.
Purchased is easier, period. Apple has done what they set out to do: they've made the legal route more appealing from a standpoint of entropy than the pirated route.
Pirated software is not "one click" away. Not by a long shot.
I did. I did not just throw around a sentence. You did that, twice. That's troll behavior, which coming from a moderator is... deranging.
Purchased is easier, period. Apple has done what they set out to do: they've made the legal route more appealing from a standpoint of entropy than the pirated route.
I actually agree with that, and it's a very good thing. It has, indeed, made a lot of people I know turn back to legal software. However, as long as I will see a majority of Windows/Office/Photoshop that is PIRATED, your point is moot and only concerns a minority rich enough to own Apple and know it is better than the Windows alternative (probably geeks, actually).
Pirated software is not "one click" away. Not by a long shot.
Most definitely is. Even people who can't for the life of them install a HP printer which only requires a CD-backed driver install run pirated software... Type "name of software + pirate bay", in Google, click link, get told you need "bittorrent", search that in google, install that. From then on, it's just a matter of the first two steps (Type "name of software + pirate bay", in Google, click link). Install downloaded software the same way you install the normal software, doubleclick crack. It's not like you need to manipulate the registry editor, it's not 1995 anymore.
Purchased is easier, period. Apple has done what they set out to do: they've made the legal route more appealing from a standpoint of entropy than the pirated route.
Pirated software is not "one click" away. Not by a long shot.
Also, Windows users are known (see this same forum for articles dating back to this year) as much more likely to pirate. Geeks are much more likely to run UNIX than Windows, and the best looking UNIX is Mac, which makes them likely to run a Mac.
Care to justify that sentence? I believe that what I wrote is pretty much backed of, if not by Apple-provided numbers, at least by enough life-experience to be worth at least a bit more than 4 words in response, TS...
It depends on where you live.
In the US, it doesn't appear to be the majority. At least part of the reason is that so much software is purchased by businesses and the government has made a very serious attempt to punish software pirates. The amount of pirated software ranges from 20% (USA) to 93% (Armenia). While the actual numbers may not be completely correct, the trends probably are: http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_sof_pir_rat-crime-software-piracy-rate
The global weighted average is 59.9%, so your statement is probably more true than TS' if you're talking global statistics. If you're talking US, then his statement is clearly more true than yours.
In any event, it's a clear problem everywhere. Even a loss of 20% of revenues is a massive amount of money.
Anyway, I'm not going to go on fighting that forum war.
I, personally, based on my own experience, as well as data that even is available in part on AppleInsider, believe that geek users are more likely to use bought software, such as MacRabbit's Espresso or Apple's iWork than the general public. The general public, moreover, is more likely to run Microsoft Windows than Linux or Mac, in my opinion and as widely available data proves.
If you believe that my belief is mistaken, you're as allowed to do that as I am to stay set in my encrusted crappy ways and as much loved by God, if there is a God.
Have a fine day, Internet Forum Dweller, my e-brother
In the US, it doesn't appear to be the majority. At least part of the reason is that so much software is purchased by businesses and the government has made a very serious attempt to punish software pirates. The amount of pirated software ranges from 20% (USA) to 93% (Armenia). While the actual numbers may not be completely correct, the trends probably are:
The global weighted average is 59.9%, so your statement is probably more true than TS' if you're talking global statistics. If you're talking US, then his statement is clearly more true than yours.
In any event, it's a clear problem everywhere. Even a loss of 20% of revenues is a massive amount of money.
Thank you for the hard data and the intelligent analysis
I'd certainly like to see one. Usually they're blue.
Thanks, jragosta.
Why does it make more sense that the "common man" would pirate? How are they going to figure out what torrents are and how they work? On the other hand, "geeks" would "know these things".
The common man has an iPod touch or an iPad and some sort of desktop or laptop (virtually stationary) computer. He uses social networking, e-mail, and browses, occasionally buying something on iTunes.
It's the people that are too lazy to pay for anything who do the work to find out how piracy works.
It's the people that are too lazy who do the work.
The day I reach 1000 posts, that's the quote I want under my name...
Apart from that, I have a question that you people might know the answer to. My lady needs to have some database for her Doctorate in which she'll input objects (with fields such as "probably made under such or such King" or "was written about in such and such book"). She runs an iMac which has Windows and ML and an EEEpc which has Windows Professional.
I've made her a MySQL database with OpenOffice as a front-end, but I'm not happy with the fact it forces her to only use her EEE... which obviously is much less efficient than the iMac.
I'm wondering about writing her a small App for iPad (and getting her a Mini), which would sync via Dropbox to the equivalent on the iMac (I'd write that in Objective-C...). SQLite seems good enough for that, and while the SQLite databases tend to corrupt easily, I have a Time Capsule running that'd allow her to roll back in case of issue. However, maybe there already is some tool that offers the same type of functionnality (easy synch-ing, UI-oriented) and iPad/Mac based with a possible (ideally) synching to Windows?
I couldn't find one myself, but maybe one of you is aware of such a tool?
Might shock you to find out that most geeks actually run Apple software on Apple hardware, or legal Visual Studio on Dells. I live in three countries and work with a lot of them geeks. Also, just look at any big geek conference, at the hardware they use. I run MBA/iMac/MBP, most of my friends have the same type of hardware. I don't have one single piece of illegal software, nor do they.
Most un-geeks I know however run illegal software. Some don't even understand the bloody concept, they just had family install the software for them out of that well-known store, "Bittorrent"... Most of them perfectly know their software is pirated and don't give a shit. It annoys me a lot, because I make my living out of programming and I feel it's unfair to us geeks/developers that because our business is immaterial, people feel they can just steal our work. The public, however, seems very good at finding reasons why it's ok for them to pirate.
The public at large doesn't "actually buys legit copies". The public at large pirates. Real geeks "actually buy legit copies".
Cheap geeks, well, does that really exist? A geek is a passionate being. How could you be a passionate being and be cheap about your core interest? Would you be cheap about your parachute if you were into skydiving? Would you be cheap about your sailboat if you were into sailing? Would you be cheap about your destination if you were into travelling? Would you be cheap about your instrument if you were into music? I understand that some music geeks (say Brian May) even go so far as building their own instruments (say, a Red Special). Geeks are passionate, and geeks by definition cannot be "cheap", or they're just pretend-geeks (I'm such a geek, I even have Twitter! Yeah, sure...)
I don't believe a mere second into your core argument. Geeks are passionate, geeks pay for their software. The general public that is more interested into what the software gives them access to, rather than in the software itself, doesn't give a shit and just pirates it. That's what I've seen in several countries, with multiple social classes, over 20 years.
No, current geeks are idiots that do not matter for anything, like fandroids with their ROMs, people running cars, etc. That's not being passionate, that's not loving android, that's not loving cars. Oh, and they love to pirate software, because pirating is "cool" and writing/using "office activator" is so badass! /s
A competent professional programmer or software engineer, are not geeks. Geek has nothing to do with being smart or competent. Geek is all about changing ROMs, bragging stupid non-sense, etc. Some people think that just because they like to change ROMs and install ubuntu they are geeks, and just because they are geeks they are smart. Please.
Geeks hurt pure Android (that is already hurt by samsung and stupid skins). Geeks hurt Linux for wanting it to stay "geek-like", just like they did with GUIs and the mouse. Geeks are not important or competent people, just trash. Linux and some distros would be so much better if People stopped associating geeks with important or intelligent people...
I'd certainly like to see one. Usually they're blue.
Thanks, jragosta.
Why does it make more sense that the "common man" would pirate? How are they going to figure out what torrents are and how they work? On the other hand, "geeks" would "know these things".
The common man has an iPod touch or an iPad and some sort of desktop or laptop (virtually stationary) computer. He uses social networking, e-mail, and browses, occasionally buying something on iTunes.
It's the people that are too lazy to pay for anything who do the work to find out how piracy works.
You're mistaken in believing that someone needs to figure out torrents in order to pirate software. In much of the world, you can buy pirated software in virtually any retail store which sells software. Even in the US, it's not hard to find pirated software on disk at flea markets or other locations. Although eBay makes an effort to prevent it, you can find pirated software on eBay, too. On my last trip to China, I could have come home with pirated software (in shrink-wrapped boxes that looked quite a bit like the originals) for virtually every major application that I use. It would probably have cost me well under $100 for everything - including AutoCAD, Office, and Creative Suite.
That's why the estimate is that 60% of all the software in use worldwide is pirated. It's not people using torrents, it's people buying pirated disks.
Type "name of software + pirate bay", in Google, click link, get told you need "bittorrent", search that in google, install that. From then on, it's just a matter of the first two steps (Type "name of software + pirate bay", in Google, click link). Install downloaded software the same way you install the normal software, doubleclick crack. It's not like you need to manipulate the registry editor, it's not 1995 anymore.
Sounds like one click to me. What's your problem TS!!?
The day I reach 1000 posts, that's the quote I want under my name...
Apart from that, I have a question that you people might know the answer to. My lady needs to have some database for her Doctorate in which she'll input objects (with fields such as "probably made under such or such King" or "was written about in such and such book"). She runs an iMac which has Windows and ML and an EEEpc which has Windows Professional.
I've made her a MySQL database with OpenOffice as a front-end, but I'm not happy with the fact it forces her to only use her EEE... which obviously is much less efficient than the iMac.
I'm wondering about writing her a small App for iPad (and getting her a Mini), which would sync via Dropbox to the equivalent on the iMac (I'd write that in Objective-C...). SQLite seems good enough for that, and while the SQLite databases tend to corrupt easily, I have a Time Capsule running that'd allow her to roll back in case of issue. However, maybe there already is some tool that offers the same type of functionnality (easy synch-ing, UI-oriented) and iPad/Mac based with a possible (ideally) synching to Windows?
I couldn't find one myself, but maybe one of you is aware of such a tool?
FileMaker used to be the way to go. I think it's now called Bento, which has an iOS version you can sync with a Mac.
Also check out BayCard, which is sort of like a modern HyperCard. She can quickly set-up a simple database without any programming.
Why do you assume I have a problem? You're all pretending this is common knowledge. Hindsight doesn't work like that. It's like the same argument in history: "Why didn't they just build tanks earlier?" The tank is something on which we look back and say, "Oh, well, that's obvious." It wasn't, to the people of the time.
People don't know about these things simply because you do. You're not putting yourselves in their shoes.
No, current geeks are idiots that do not matter for anything, like fandroids with their ROMs, people running cars, etc. That's not being passionate, that's not loving android, that's not loving cars. Oh, and they love to pirate software, because pirating is "cool" and writing/using "office activator" is so badass! /s
A competent professional programmer or software engineer, are not geeks. Geek has nothing to do with being smart or competent. Geek is all about changing ROMs, bragging stupid non-sense, etc. Some people think that just because they like to change ROMs and install ubuntu they are geeks, and just because they are geeks they are smart. Please.
Geeks hurt pure Android (that is already hurt by samsung and stupid skins). Geeks hurt Linux for wanting it to stay "geek-like", just like they did with GUIs and the mouse. Geeks are not important or competent people, just trash. Linux and some distros would be so much better if People stopped associating geeks with important or intelligent people...
Geeks are trash and i have no respect for them.
Let me rewrite that to see if I understand. You redefine geeks to be trash. Then you say that the respectable people that others call "geeks" aren't geeks, but "smart people". Then you say that the trash people you renamed as geeks are not worthy of your respect.
Okaaaay.
The rest of the world calls smart, intelligent people with a passion "geeks", and especially computer geeks (but there also are "chemistry geeks" or "literacy geeks", equally worthy of respect). Anyway, your argument bites itself, since you end up pretending that Linux would be better if (smart people called geeks that make them live) weren't what they are. Whatever.
You're mistaken in believing that someone needs to figure out torrents in order to pirate software. In much of the world, you can buy pirated software in virtually any retail store which sells software. Even in the US, it's not hard to find pirated software on disk at flea markets or other locations. Although eBay makes an effort to prevent it, you can find pirated software on eBay, too. On my last trip to China, I could have come home with pirated software (in shrink-wrapped boxes that looked quite a bit like the originals) for virtually every major application that I use. It would probably have cost me well under $100 for everything - including AutoCAD, Office, and Creative Suite.
That's why the estimate is that 60% of all the software in use worldwide is pirated. It's not people using torrents, it's people buying pirated disks.
You're mistaken in believing that someone needs to figure out torrents in order to pirate software. In much of the world, you can buy pirated software in virtually any retail store which sells software. Even in the US, it's not hard to find pirated software on disk at flea markets or other locations. Although eBay makes an effort to prevent it, you can find pirated software on eBay, too. On my last trip to China, I could have come home with pirated software (in shrink-wrapped boxes that looked quite a bit like the originals) for virtually every major application that I use. It would probably have cost me well under $100 for everything - including AutoCAD, Office, and Creative Suite.
That's why the estimate is that 60% of all the software in use worldwide is pirated. It's not people using torrents, it's people buying pirated disks.
Craigslist is also full of people selling versions of popular software like Windows, Office, Photoshop and so on. They'll sell you a burned disc ready to go and many will even offer to install it for you. A guy at work downloads albums and videos all the time and he's NOT tech savvy at all. If he can figure it out then anyone can.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
This sounds entirely backwards.
Care to justify that sentence? I believe that what I wrote is pretty much backed of, if not by Apple-provided numbers, at least by enough life-experience to be worth at least a bit more than 4 words in response, TS...
As I've said, in my personnal, but non-entirely-negligible life experience, pirates are the general public, that doesn't have a stake (working in that field) or a moral ground (being passionate about software) in computing. It sounds perfectly logical that people who pirate are the ones that feel it easiest to justify that moral transgression (it's immaterial), and as for "you need to be a geek to pirate"... you just need to understand enough of computers to download pirated movies. Pirated software is the same click-away.
Originally Posted by lightknight
Care to justify that sentence?
Care to justify yours?
Pirated software is the same click-away.
Purchased is easier, period. Apple has done what they set out to do: they've made the legal route more appealing from a standpoint of entropy than the pirated route.
Pirated software is not "one click" away. Not by a long shot.
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Originally Posted by logandigges
My mom just texted me and asked if she should install java on her new PC (ugh, I know). I told her not to because of this. Does it effect PCs too?
It wouldn't be on the Dept. of Homeland Security's hit list if it only affected Macs.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Care to justify yours?
I did. I did not just throw around a sentence. You did that, twice. That's troll behavior, which coming from a moderator is... deranging.
Purchased is easier, period. Apple has done what they set out to do: they've made the legal route more appealing from a standpoint of entropy than the pirated route.
I actually agree with that, and it's a very good thing. It has, indeed, made a lot of people I know turn back to legal software. However, as long as I will see a majority of Windows/Office/Photoshop that is PIRATED, your point is moot and only concerns a minority rich enough to own Apple and know it is better than the Windows alternative (probably geeks, actually).
Pirated software is not "one click" away. Not by a long shot.
Most definitely is. Even people who can't for the life of them install a HP printer which only requires a CD-backed driver install run pirated software... Type "name of software + pirate bay", in Google, click link, get told you need "bittorrent", search that in google, install that. From then on, it's just a matter of the first two steps (Type "name of software + pirate bay", in Google, click link). Install downloaded software the same way you install the normal software, doubleclick crack. It's not like you need to manipulate the registry editor, it's not 1995 anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton
It wouldn't be on the Dept. of Homeland Security's hit list if it only affected Macs
Sounds like the voice of reason
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Care to justify yours?
Purchased is easier, period. Apple has done what they set out to do: they've made the legal route more appealing from a standpoint of entropy than the pirated route.
Pirated software is not "one click" away. Not by a long shot.
Also, Windows users are known (see this same forum for articles dating back to this year) as much more likely to pirate. Geeks are much more likely to run UNIX than Windows, and the best looking UNIX is Mac, which makes them likely to run a Mac.
Don't you see an obvious link?
It depends on where you live.
In the US, it doesn't appear to be the majority. At least part of the reason is that so much software is purchased by businesses and the government has made a very serious attempt to punish software pirates. The amount of pirated software ranges from 20% (USA) to 93% (Armenia). While the actual numbers may not be completely correct, the trends probably are:
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_sof_pir_rat-crime-software-piracy-rate
The global weighted average is 59.9%, so your statement is probably more true than TS' if you're talking global statistics. If you're talking US, then his statement is clearly more true than yours.
In any event, it's a clear problem everywhere. Even a loss of 20% of revenues is a massive amount of money.
Anyway, I'm not going to go on fighting that forum war.
I, personally, based on my own experience, as well as data that even is available in part on AppleInsider, believe that geek users are more likely to use bought software, such as MacRabbit's Espresso or Apple's iWork than the general public. The general public, moreover, is more likely to run Microsoft Windows than Linux or Mac, in my opinion and as widely available data proves.
If you believe that my belief is mistaken, you're as allowed to do that as I am to stay set in my encrusted crappy ways and as much loved by God, if there is a God.
Have a fine day, Internet Forum Dweller, my e-brother
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Originally Posted by jragosta
It depends on where you live.
In the US, it doesn't appear to be the majority. At least part of the reason is that so much software is purchased by businesses and the government has made a very serious attempt to punish software pirates. The amount of pirated software ranges from 20% (USA) to 93% (Armenia). While the actual numbers may not be completely correct, the trends probably are:
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_sof_pir_rat-crime-software-piracy-rate
The global weighted average is 59.9%, so your statement is probably more true than TS' if you're talking global statistics. If you're talking US, then his statement is clearly more true than yours.
In any event, it's a clear problem everywhere. Even a loss of 20% of revenues is a massive amount of money.
Thank you for the hard data and the intelligent analysis
Originally Posted by lightknight
Don't you see an obvious link?
I'd certainly like to see one. Usually they're blue.
Thanks, jragosta.
Why does it make more sense that the "common man" would pirate? How are they going to figure out what torrents are and how they work? On the other hand, "geeks" would "know these things".
The common man has an iPod touch or an iPad and some sort of desktop or laptop (virtually stationary) computer. He uses social networking, e-mail, and browses, occasionally buying something on iTunes.
It's the people that are too lazy to pay for anything who do the work to find out how piracy works.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
It's the people that are too lazy who do the work.
The day I reach 1000 posts, that's the quote I want under my name...
Apart from that, I have a question that you people might know the answer to. My lady needs to have some database for her Doctorate in which she'll input objects (with fields such as "probably made under such or such King" or "was written about in such and such book"). She runs an iMac which has Windows and ML and an EEEpc which has Windows Professional.
I've made her a MySQL database with OpenOffice as a front-end, but I'm not happy with the fact it forces her to only use her EEE... which obviously is much less efficient than the iMac.
I'm wondering about writing her a small App for iPad (and getting her a Mini), which would sync via Dropbox to the equivalent on the iMac (I'd write that in Objective-C...). SQLite seems good enough for that, and while the SQLite databases tend to corrupt easily, I have a Time Capsule running that'd allow her to roll back in case of issue. However, maybe there already is some tool that offers the same type of functionnality (easy synch-ing, UI-oriented) and iPad/Mac based with a possible (ideally) synching to Windows?
I couldn't find one myself, but maybe one of you is aware of such a tool?
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Originally Posted by lightknight
Might shock you to find out that most geeks actually run Apple software on Apple hardware, or legal Visual Studio on Dells. I live in three countries and work with a lot of them geeks. Also, just look at any big geek conference, at the hardware they use. I run MBA/iMac/MBP, most of my friends have the same type of hardware. I don't have one single piece of illegal software, nor do they.
Most un-geeks I know however run illegal software. Some don't even understand the bloody concept, they just had family install the software for them out of that well-known store, "Bittorrent"... Most of them perfectly know their software is pirated and don't give a shit. It annoys me a lot, because I make my living out of programming and I feel it's unfair to us geeks/developers that because our business is immaterial, people feel they can just steal our work. The public, however, seems very good at finding reasons why it's ok for them to pirate.
The public at large doesn't "actually buys legit copies". The public at large pirates. Real geeks "actually buy legit copies".
Cheap geeks, well, does that really exist? A geek is a passionate being. How could you be a passionate being and be cheap about your core interest? Would you be cheap about your parachute if you were into skydiving? Would you be cheap about your sailboat if you were into sailing? Would you be cheap about your destination if you were into travelling? Would you be cheap about your instrument if you were into music? I understand that some music geeks (say Brian May) even go so far as building their own instruments (say, a Red Special). Geeks are passionate, and geeks by definition cannot be "cheap", or they're just pretend-geeks (I'm such a geek, I even have Twitter! Yeah, sure...)
I don't believe a mere second into your core argument. Geeks are passionate, geeks pay for their software. The general public that is more interested into what the software gives them access to, rather than in the software itself, doesn't give a shit and just pirates it. That's what I've seen in several countries, with multiple social classes, over 20 years.
No, current geeks are idiots that do not matter for anything, like fandroids with their ROMs, people running cars, etc. That's not being passionate, that's not loving android, that's not loving cars. Oh, and they love to pirate software, because pirating is "cool" and writing/using "office activator" is so badass! /s
A competent professional programmer or software engineer, are not geeks. Geek has nothing to do with being smart or competent. Geek is all about changing ROMs, bragging stupid non-sense, etc. Some people think that just because they like to change ROMs and install ubuntu they are geeks, and just because they are geeks they are smart. Please.
Geeks hurt pure Android (that is already hurt by samsung and stupid skins). Geeks hurt Linux for wanting it to stay "geek-like", just like they did with GUIs and the mouse. Geeks are not important or competent people, just trash. Linux and some distros would be so much better if People stopped associating geeks with important or intelligent people...
Geeks are trash and i have no respect for them.
You're mistaken in believing that someone needs to figure out torrents in order to pirate software. In much of the world, you can buy pirated software in virtually any retail store which sells software. Even in the US, it's not hard to find pirated software on disk at flea markets or other locations. Although eBay makes an effort to prevent it, you can find pirated software on eBay, too. On my last trip to China, I could have come home with pirated software (in shrink-wrapped boxes that looked quite a bit like the originals) for virtually every major application that I use. It would probably have cost me well under $100 for everything - including AutoCAD, Office, and Creative Suite.
That's why the estimate is that 60% of all the software in use worldwide is pirated. It's not people using torrents, it's people buying pirated disks.
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Originally Posted by lightknight
Type "name of software + pirate bay", in Google, click link, get told you need "bittorrent", search that in google, install that. From then on, it's just a matter of the first two steps (Type "name of software + pirate bay", in Google, click link). Install downloaded software the same way you install the normal software, doubleclick crack. It's not like you need to manipulate the registry editor, it's not 1995 anymore.Sounds like one click to me. What's your problem TS!!?
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Originally Posted by lightknight
The day I reach 1000 posts, that's the quote I want under my name...
Apart from that, I have a question that you people might know the answer to. My lady needs to have some database for her Doctorate in which she'll input objects (with fields such as "probably made under such or such King" or "was written about in such and such book"). She runs an iMac which has Windows and ML and an EEEpc which has Windows Professional.
I've made her a MySQL database with OpenOffice as a front-end, but I'm not happy with the fact it forces her to only use her EEE... which obviously is much less efficient than the iMac.
I'm wondering about writing her a small App for iPad (and getting her a Mini), which would sync via Dropbox to the equivalent on the iMac (I'd write that in Objective-C...). SQLite seems good enough for that, and while the SQLite databases tend to corrupt easily, I have a Time Capsule running that'd allow her to roll back in case of issue. However, maybe there already is some tool that offers the same type of functionnality (easy synch-ing, UI-oriented) and iPad/Mac based with a possible (ideally) synching to Windows?
I couldn't find one myself, but maybe one of you is aware of such a tool?
FileMaker used to be the way to go. I think it's now called Bento, which has an iOS version you can sync with a Mac.
Also check out BayCard, which is sort of like a modern HyperCard. She can quickly set-up a simple database without any programming.
Both are available via Mac AppStore.
Originally Posted by GadgetCanada
Sounds like one click to me.
Sounds like several dozen clicks.
What's your problem TS!!?
Why do you assume I have a problem? You're all pretending this is common knowledge. Hindsight doesn't work like that. It's like the same argument in history: "Why didn't they just build tanks earlier?" The tank is something on which we look back and say, "Oh, well, that's obvious." It wasn't, to the people of the time.
People don't know about these things simply because you do. You're not putting yourselves in their shoes.
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Originally Posted by pedromartins
No, current geeks are idiots that do not matter for anything, like fandroids with their ROMs, people running cars, etc. That's not being passionate, that's not loving android, that's not loving cars. Oh, and they love to pirate software, because pirating is "cool" and writing/using "office activator" is so badass! /s
A competent professional programmer or software engineer, are not geeks. Geek has nothing to do with being smart or competent. Geek is all about changing ROMs, bragging stupid non-sense, etc. Some people think that just because they like to change ROMs and install ubuntu they are geeks, and just because they are geeks they are smart. Please.
Geeks hurt pure Android (that is already hurt by samsung and stupid skins). Geeks hurt Linux for wanting it to stay "geek-like", just like they did with GUIs and the mouse. Geeks are not important or competent people, just trash. Linux and some distros would be so much better if People stopped associating geeks with important or intelligent people...
Geeks are trash and i have no respect for them.
Let me rewrite that to see if I understand. You redefine geeks to be trash. Then you say that the respectable people that others call "geeks" aren't geeks, but "smart people". Then you say that the trash people you renamed as geeks are not worthy of your respect.
Okaaaay.
The rest of the world calls smart, intelligent people with a passion "geeks", and especially computer geeks (but there also are "chemistry geeks" or "literacy geeks", equally worthy of respect). Anyway, your argument bites itself, since you end up pretending that Linux would be better if (smart people called geeks that make them live) weren't what they are. Whatever.
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Originally Posted by jragosta
You're mistaken in believing that someone needs to figure out torrents in order to pirate software. In much of the world, you can buy pirated software in virtually any retail store which sells software. Even in the US, it's not hard to find pirated software on disk at flea markets or other locations. Although eBay makes an effort to prevent it, you can find pirated software on eBay, too. On my last trip to China, I could have come home with pirated software (in shrink-wrapped boxes that looked quite a bit like the originals) for virtually every major application that I use. It would probably have cost me well under $100 for everything - including AutoCAD, Office, and Creative Suite.
That's why the estimate is that 60% of all the software in use worldwide is pirated. It's not people using torrents, it's people buying pirated disks.
That's frightening...
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Originally Posted by jragosta
You're mistaken in believing that someone needs to figure out torrents in order to pirate software. In much of the world, you can buy pirated software in virtually any retail store which sells software. Even in the US, it's not hard to find pirated software on disk at flea markets or other locations. Although eBay makes an effort to prevent it, you can find pirated software on eBay, too. On my last trip to China, I could have come home with pirated software (in shrink-wrapped boxes that looked quite a bit like the originals) for virtually every major application that I use. It would probably have cost me well under $100 for everything - including AutoCAD, Office, and Creative Suite.
That's why the estimate is that 60% of all the software in use worldwide is pirated. It's not people using torrents, it's people buying pirated disks.
Craigslist is also full of people selling versions of popular software like Windows, Office, Photoshop and so on. They'll sell you a burned disc ready to go and many will even offer to install it for you. A guy at work downloads albums and videos all the time and he's NOT tech savvy at all. If he can figure it out then anyone can.
Way to go Snoracle .....
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